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Hi guys!
So, everything is running well so far. I prefer the 8525 over my other units (SX66 and 8125), but now I have an interesting question for you guys...
I just bought two 8525s, one for me and one for my dad.
He's a newb.
When a PocketPC is gonna be used by me, I spend a good week here, and learn about all the different ROMS, the pros and cons of each Radio Version... I tweak the extended ROMs to leave in just what I need, and so forth...
HOWEVER.... Seeing as though one of my 8525's is going to a NON-Power user like ourselves....
....Would you, off-hand, based on your experience with these devices, leave it as-is as it came in the box, or do you think I should educate myself and offer him non "commercial release" ROMs and so forth.
I SIM Unlocked the one in front of me, and this is what I have:
HERM100
ROM 2.15.502.3
Radio 1.16
Protocol 32.52.7018.01H
You can REST ASSURED that in MY unit, I'll be investigating ALL the new Radio Versions, and so forth. But sometimes the consequences are not so pretty.
So, any advice is welcome...
Hand over this baby with my favorite apps,
or......
Start upgrading and then give it to him.
I've only had these for a day, so I trust your judgement more than me, and he's anxious!
Thanks!
Mike
Proto
If he doesn't care about it other than "it makes calls", then don't waste the time and just hand it over. Why take the slimmest chance of running into problems if you're just handing it over? If he only needs it for a phone, I wouldn't mess with it. It works fine right out of the box w/o adding a lot of junk to it.
As for yours, knock yourself out! I love tweakin my 8525 and don't care if I run into a wall, unless its a brick wall. Part of the fun is learning to work through the problems you incur.
It's a real toss up, on one hand leaving it stock will have it's advantages as he won't have to wonder if he's doing something wrong or if it's a "tweak" issue.
On the other hand, most of these ROMS are pretty damn stable anyway.
I'd lean towards upgrading it (after you have done yours) to whatever you use. That way you will be better placed to fix anything he breaks as you will be more familiar with it...
That and I just like upgrading things.
This is cool advice... and I agree with both trains of thoughts.
Let me then try to focus on the Hermes/8525:
I dunno.. I have been using mine all day, and it's worked like a charm. Bluetooth worked well. Battery life seems acceptable. Can surf via wifi and via GPRS. Seems like the production ROM ain't so bad!
When it came to my SX66... oh my god... the production ROM SUCKED big time! Radio problems! Bluetooth problems! Memory management problems!
With the 8125... the ROMS were useful, but had their share of quirks... "The system font changes to Times new Roman"..... "The Close GPRS button no longer works..." etc.
So, are the 8525 ROMS really pretty stable?
Overall, do they really do a lot of good?
Beleive me, for my device... I plan on spending the next two weeks learning EVERYTHING!
But for him... Is there any real compelling reason to say, "That Radio version is TERRRRIBLE!" or "You will increase battery life by 100% by upgrading the ROM!!".... or, not so much?
(I think I am just being lazy and wanna give him the unit already!! I want to read the Wiki and explore the ROMS at my pace!)
But I gotta tell ya... so far... mine is behaving quite nicely, with no ROM tweaks.....!
The stock 8525 came with a buggy WM5 and it hangs couple times a week..why not put Vanilla WM6 OS onto the phone and make it a more stable, longer battery life phone for the non pro to use?
trashcan said:
The stock 8525 came with a buggy WM5 and it hangs couple times a week..why not put Vanilla WM6 OS onto the phone and make it a more stable, longer battery life phone for the non pro to use?
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Gulp!
I was afraid someone would post something along these lines!
I spoke to my dad. I have until Wednesday to play, then he wants his unit.
Until then, I'll see what I can absorb!
Thanks!
Besides wanting his phone by Wednesday, what does he want? Did he ask you to tweak it or upgrade it? Perhaps he would enjoy reading some of the threads here himself? I would say the decision should be his since he will be the one using it. If it were me I would give it to him factory fresh, show him this site, and offer to assist him if he wants to upgrade or has any problems with the "out of box" config.
PS: don't brick the phone trying to rush an upgrade by Wednesday!
You know what?
I totally agree with you.
I think I will just leave it as-is (after unlocking it), plus I'll put in my usual killer apps (spb pocket plus, Voice Command, Weather Panel, Adobe, MS Reader, 1-calc, etc.)
And leave it.
ALTHOUGH.... I do have to say....
My unit required three reboots in two days.
Frozen!
Also, the battery life seems to be pretty crappy.
AND, I am hearing some pausing/skipping in the audio.
Soooooooo....... I think I'll have to read up way more on the units.
But in the meantime, I'll give him mine on Wednesday, which is fresh.
Then I'll do some serious research here.
Upgrade mine.
Then I'll ask him for his back, and upgrade it, too.
I am surprised that the unit isn't so stable after all.
I guess that's why we all come here in the first place!
Im Getting My TP Mailed TO ME TOm. ANd I JUs Wanted To Get A Feel Of WHat U Guys Like And Dislike About The Many Custom Roms THat Are Out There For The TP....Mcuh Appreciated
Thanks
This ? gets asked alot and the response is usually to try for yourself because for one thing the rom cooks all work very hard at their craft and it's not fair to rate their work as one being better for whatever reason. Also what one person prefers in their own rom on their device is diff from what someone else likes. I have tried them all and they all show excellence in their crafting. I have found I prefer the lighter roms, but not always. I have many saved on my laptop and go back and forth alot between them. I would suggest you read up on the rom threads and then choose your first, after that try some more, saving ones you like. Alot of excellent chefs hang here and I for one appreciate each and every one as they have made my phone experience full of innovation. Enjoy your tp. It is an awesome device and when it starts feeling mundane.......New ROM Time!!!
cbreze said:
This ? gets asked alot and the response is usually to try for yourself because for one thing the rom cooks all work very hard at their craft and it's not fair to rate their work as one being better for whatever reason. Also what one person prefers in their own rom on their device is diff from what someone else likes. I have tried them all and they all show excellence in their crafting. I have found I prefer the lighter roms, but not always. I have many saved on my laptop and go back and forth alot between them. I would suggest you read up on the rom threads and then choose your first, after that try some more, saving ones you like. Alot of excellent chefs hang here and I for one appreciate each and every one as they have made my phone experience full of innovation. Enjoy your tp. It is an awesome device and when it starts feeling mundane.......New ROM Time!!!
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Yeah I Understand What U Mean Now That I Think About It....IVe Actually Been Doin Some Searching Today Around The Internetz While I Shouldve Been Working and Found A Brand New Rom On PPCGEEKS.COM...Looks Pretty Interesting. But Once Again Thanks For Your Input.
i have tried a handful of different roms on my cdma touch pro. most of them at ppcgeeks.
my favs (no particular order)
Calkulins Custom WM6.5 Rhodium
NRGZ28 Energy Series Roms
NFSFAN's WM6.5 Rhodium Manilla Rom
a few i've tried which arent bad at all, just felt the above were better:
SsS Series Roms
Psyki Roms
have not been a fan of the: (sry guys) (i admit it was a while ago the last time i tried them)
juicy roms
mighty roms
i completely agree with bryan on his post tho. i appreciate every bit of work these guys do to release to us the "best" experience possible on our phones. every single one of them deserves major props & gratitude for their hard work & time/effort. dont be afraid to donate a small amount to these guys if you appreciate what they are doing. i think HTC/MS should hire most of these guys b/c their work is incredible & often times better than what the manufacturer does.
p.s. it would be great if you didnt't capitalize every first letter. it makes it really hard to read especially when u accidently hold shift for the 2nd letter also
I personally am a fan of Juicy 8 and MightyROM 6. They are both great speedy, stable, and dependable ROMs. As others have said, to each his own and you just have to take the plunge and try a few out till you're happy. Good luck and happy flashing!
*beware* this flashing process everyone talks about....
can be quite addictive. to say the least lol
I Like JD's the best.....
Go to www.ppcgeeks.com
And check him out.
I have a cdma TP and I am running NFSFAN WM 6.5 rom and I love it!
I tried Mighty6... I switched back immediately.
what ever you do, defiantly load a custom rom, It turns it into a whole new phone!
Just follow the directions on the forums and you are in there!
I dislike how how you structure your grammar.
lol..
there are so many good ones but my top fav in no particular order are:
dcd roms
psyki roms
energy roms
juicy roms
Score one more for Juicy 8. There's very little I'd change about this ROM, it's excellent.
Wondering if anyone's experienced better battery life with one over another. Batttt life or lack of it is my only real issue. Using a 2000mAh and still charging twice daily.
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Wondering if anyone's experienced better battery life with one over another. Batttt life or lack of it is my only real issue. Using a 2000mAh and still charging twice daily.
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I've experimented with many ROMS and battery life. Although the ROM itself is quite bare...the collaboration between Mighty and Silence (which can be found on ppcgeeks) seemed to give me the best battery life. Although I absolutely loved EnergyRom, it gave me the worst battery life (out of approximately 7 different ROMS I flashed). I personally use NFSfan's ROM's...seems to have the best balance.
Turning Touchflo 3D off certainly helps with battery life. Also, ensure your push e-mail is using imap-idle (outlook e-mail scheduler, System Seven, etc). Lumos apparently helps with battery life (although I have never tried it). Don't keep CPU and Data intensive programs like Skype and Opera open unless you absolutely need to. After comparing with battery monitors (whether this SHOULD be the case or not, I'm not sure) Wifi uses more battery (even with adjusted power settings) than 3G EVDO. Try to increase the interval or eliminate plugins/applications that use the internet to refresh data (i.e. RSS hub, Weather Update apps/plugins).
@Motorious, thanks for the input. I'm really watching it and trying to actually see what is causing the drain. Always close out of programs, etc. It seems it can suddenly become warm with nothing done on my part. I notice it comes out of sleep on it's own sometimes like some thing woke it up. I've tried almost every rom combo and agree while energy is fantastic it does suck it down faster. I tried using a light, no tf3d v. and no really noticable diff. I just have lots of chargers in diff rooms at home, my office and truck so I'm never caught short, just confounded is more like it. I love tweaking/playing with it so no worries, just wish I could figure it out. Could it be the 3g being on all the time? Every thing else is off.
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@Motorious, thanks for the input. I'm really watching it and trying to actually see what is causing the drain. Always close out of programs, etc. It seems it can suddenly become warm with nothing done on my part. I notice it comes out of sleep on it's own sometimes like some thing woke it up. I've tried almost every rom combo and agree while energy is fantastic it does suck it down faster. I tried using a light, no tf3d v. and no really noticable diff. I just have lots of chargers in diff rooms at home, my office and truck so I'm never caught short, just confounded is more like it. I love tweaking/playing with it so no worries, just wish I could figure it out. Could it be the 3g being on all the time? Every thing else is off.
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hmm try using a battery monitor such as powerguard or tbattery to see where your drain is coming from.
EnergyROM 'Aurora' is the best for me. Very fast and stable. As far as I have seen with this build, haven't been able to find any bugs. Also Sprint TV does work in this build. The only disadvantage is battery life, however, there is a folder in the Start Menu on this rom that has modding tools.
Check out EnergyROM 'Aurora'
My experience
I tried the following.
Might Rom - Loved it, but I my battery life was terrible.
Warrior ROM - I didn't like it, but the battery life was the best that I experienced.
SsS Rom - It very fast and stable. The battery life was better than Might, but not that good.
Currently using EnergyRom. I really like it. I've only had it installed since yesterday. So far the battery life is a little better than SsS, but not as good as Warrior ROM.
Just my non-scientific 0.02 cents worth.
Currently a VZW user with a TP....I have tried several different ROMs and although each one was good and I appreciate the hard work that these guys put into these things, there are different flavors for different people. Here's my assesment:
TFSFAN's....best Rom out here for looks and apps. After running it about a week I started having some issues with Lag, ect. I may go back to this one as It may have just been user error issues here...
DCD's ROM Good and stable rom but very basic and stripped down. If you are looking for just the basics this maybe the way to go....
Energy's ROM....Looks good. But didn't really function the way I wanted it to. I didn't like the touch flow interface on the bottom of the screen. Ran stable though...
Mighty's ROM....currently running for about 4 days. Good and stable. If I can work out a few tweeks this maybe the one to keep! Good apps! Just want to get a few things working and test it a bit longer....
Hi all,
I am a techy at a large secondary school in the UK. In my wisdom I organised the rollout of 7 XDA Serra devices (O2 branded Raphael) to members of senior staff early this year. Now.... I have had no end of moaning about the appalling ROM O2 supplied, I have changed the radio version and disabled 3G to get 3 days+ from battery, where it was previously 1 day max, added slide-to-unlock and slide to answer.
However the handsets are still frankly rubbish. Crashing and freezing, especially when you try to use them as - god forbid - a phone.
I have two choices -
either find a really good stable and useable ROM (which I hope you can help with!) -Getting them all in for upgrade is the highest level of tedium, so if this is going to happen its going to be a one-shot thing. Gotta get it right first time. These people are middle-aged school workers so dont care about the bling, its gotta be easy to use.
or (the hard way) say they are "unfit for purpose" and try and send them back to O2 for something else.As much as I love fighting the big boys, I really cant be bothered. If they are going to be swapped theres only one handset the senior team would accept. iPhone. Yuk. (IMHO).
So - do you think I'm onto a loser to begin with? is this handset just a dog? It was so hyped at launch I didnt think I could go wrong.
or is it just the ROM? If just the ROM then what's the best ROM around that will tick all the right boxes?
In the meantime I'm off to play with my new HD2....
Thanks in advance.
if you want a simple rom, with smooth operation and good features, try TAEL standard edition. I can vouch for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=561158
o2 serra
The bad news....The rom supplied with the Serra is a dog (as you have probably learnt). Has problems 'sleeping' at night, is graphically horrible & freezes whenever challenged!
The good news... The device is a winner, all problems are software related, you have some re flashing to do & there are plenty to advise on simple stable rom's better than me.
Clearly with multiple devices & reflashing, you need to be aware of voiding your warranty. Dropped mine four foot onto slate floor & the screen started acting badly.... A freezer might come in handy.....Enjoying NRGZ Rom on a replaced device
Yeah I had figured the Serra ROM is a dog.Thanks for confirming that to me tho!
Your suggestion the hardware is a winner has given me some hope, so thanks.
I will test out the TAEL ROM and see how it fares.
In fact I think I was at one point using the TAEL ROM myself. (I couldnt stand the O2 ROM more than about a week)
If it passes my in-house testing (giving it to my boss for a bit - he's impartial) then I may try the rollout. See if I can fend off the iPhone wanters and their pitchforks.
Any other suggestions for ROMS welcome of course.......
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... See if I can fend off the iPhone wanters and their pitchforks...
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iPhone, Blackberry, Nokia, Palm Pre! even!...
Usually, only the win32 centric IT type like the WinMo. You should have titled your post "Best device for simple folks"
Who's paying for that Leo?
Your prob right, but I got these at the start of this year, when the iPhone (IIRC) only just got exchange sync, and the pre was a distant dream. Plus half of the staff already had Windows PDA's. So I was thinking it would soften the learning curve.
You know what its like now - people act like children over bloody iPhones. I'm not an Apple hater but its horses for courses, iPhones and Macs fine as a choice for home users but not a business tool. Dont get me started on the iPod touch being described by apple as a "handheld learning device" to flog it to education! grrrrr.
And the Leo? I fought for two of them in place of two serras that developed faults cos there was no equivalent replacement.
Hmm, if you ask me, the best ROM that just works is EnergyROM (the most current one is Phoenix 2). From my experience, EnergyROM is very fast, very stable, and tends to be streamlined. In my opinion, this is probably the best ROM for simplicity.
Mind you, I'm not knocking Tael ROM. I tried the version with Sense 2.5 recently and I'm in love. It is shockingly fast and stable; much more so than any other ROMs with Sense 2.5 that I tried.
Simple ROM
If i were you id use Tael's rom... i used Energy ROM for about 7-8 months because it was eye candy and had a lot of apps i needed... its the best looking and most loaded ROM there is in this forum... but i made the switch because the battery didn last very long and i started gettin a lot of bugs after like a month of use... don know how it happened... Energy ROM is more for personal use and for showing off... (Dont get me wrong... i appreciate all the work NRGZ does and all the time he puts into his wonderful ROM)
I switched to Tael's ROM about like a month ago and it is the most stable ROM there is... during this whole month i didn have one problem with it. the ROM has only the most basic and useful applications... It also gives me a battery life of about 3 days on normal texting, bluetooth for like 5-6 hrs a day, phone usage of about 2 hrs of talk everyday and 3G on at all times! if i probably turn of the 3G, auto updates of some program, and stop using bluetooth... i would get atleast 4 days out of it! If u want a reliable ROM with almost all the functions of the phone, Tael's ROM is the best!
OK, so what about the best simple ROM for tilt, or both tilt and fuze?
I just picked up a Tilt and Fuze and would greatly appreciate advice as which best "simple" (=stable, easy install) ROM would be for each, please? And ideally, if there is a ROM which would cover both? (I'm on t-mo)
many thanks
Tilt, unlocked to T-mo
Fuze, unlocked to T-mo
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If i were you id use Tael's rom...
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Er, EnergyROM is the most loaded ROM? I think you're mistaken. That would probably be Chrome ROM (which even the author calls 'the Cadillac' of ROMs).
Your claims about battery life confuses me even more. I put my Fuze (with EnergyROM at the time) through a stress test and it lasted roughly 6-8 hours with constant Youtube, video playback, and 3G radio. I have not done the same for Tael ROM, but judging from usage, it would lastly roughly the same amount.
I'm not saying you were lying about your experience regarding EnergyROM, but I just wanted to put in that ER is definitely not as bad as you described.
i'm liking taels rom right now, it seems to be faster than the energy rom as i'm getting less hang ups while scrolling etc. battery lif is about two days with tael and about the same with energy, sending/receiving 300 txts a day and maybe a couple of phone calls...
I'm torn on this thread ...
... part of me feels it should remain open to allow the OP to obtain the information required to make an informed decision for his faculty users.
... and part of me feels it should be closed as these types of thread end up with posts full of emotionally charged opinions about chefs and their roms.
@cjwhite:
If the thread remains on topic and devoid of emotionally charged opnions, I'll leave it open. Once you have obtained all of the information required, please issue a request to have this thread closed.
I'd recommend that you stay away from any roms using the new office 2010. It's beta, and expires in 5-6 months. Since the phones aren't going to be updated frequently (hopefully never, I'm sure), you don't want any part of time-bombs. You might consider just flashing a stock HTC rom.
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I'd recommend that you stay away from any roms using the new office 2010. It's beta, and expires in 5-6 months. Since the phones aren't going to be updated frequently (hopefully never, I'm sure), you don't want any part of time-bombs. You might consider just flashing a stock HTC rom.
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I agree. Just grab this ROM: http://www.htc.com/www/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=140&cat=2&dl_id=501 and you won't regret - it's bug-free, stable, fast enough.
Alternately, you can try shep's ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=497699, but not the new version, because it's buggy. I recommend the "old" ROM (10. august), I used it for a month without problems, then I reverted to HTC latest primarily because I don't like 6.5 Start Menu.
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Er, EnergyROM is the most loaded ROM? I think you're mistaken. That would probably be Chrome ROM (which even the author calls 'the Cadillac' of ROMs).
Your claims about battery life confuses me even more. I put my Fuze (with EnergyROM at the time) through a stress test and it lasted roughly 6-8 hours with constant Youtube, video playback, and 3G radio. I have not done the same for Tael ROM, but judging from usage, it would lastly roughly the same amount.
I'm not saying you were lying about your experience regarding EnergyROM, but I just wanted to put in that ER is definitely not as bad as you described.
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I'm a Chrome ROM lover, they are as loaded as NRGZ ROM.
Performance they both have their pros and cons.
For the ROM your looking i would suggest nothing but Timolol's ROM.
They are so fast and So basic.
As basic as stock with no extra apps.
They don't have a manila version hece only the simple titanium to use.
They are on a old build which is very stable.
Though i would never use such a bland ROm but for the people for whom you are going to Flash the ROM this is the Best ROM.
Give it a try.
It is really Light !
Timolol's ROM
Even the chef calls it "Stock like ROM"
Hi everyone.
There was a worrying moment where I thought we were going all emotional!
Mind you its the varied opinions that make this place so interesting.
I'm really grateful to all of you for your effort in replying.
I think the bottom line is I need a ROM for "someone who has never been on XDA-Dev".
I'm going to try Tael's latest ROM as I've personally found it solid enough in the past, and the feeling I'm getting from you is that it is pretty well liked.
I do however like the idea of a stock ROM. What would they be missing out on by using the stock HTC ROM? Anything a normal person would miss?
Cheers
Chris
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I do however like the idea of a stock ROM. What would they be missing out on by using the stock HTC ROM? Anything a normal person would miss?
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Nothing really important. On stock ROM there is an older Manila build, that's maybe the most important thing, also cooked ROMs are often loaded with apps. But, stock HTC ROM has one big advantage over all cooked ROMs - absolutely everything is working, and that's not the case with cooked ROMs - there's always something wrong, missing from ROM etc. For example, on most cooked ROMs (OS 6.5) you will find that video call doesn't work, if it works there are some other bugs with the dialer, such as non-working USSD codes or inability to answer calls (not chef's mistake, just dialers ported from other devices do not work 100%). Then there are some other problems - on one ROM MMS ain't working, on the other battery is pathetic, or the phone is very slow and buggy due to the use of Sense (Manila) 2.5 etc. You get the point - if you choose cooked ROM, there will always be something that isn't working, question is - do you (your workers) need those non-working functions.
Well...... I just flashed TAEL standard ROM."launch browser" button not working on internet tab.
@pilgrim011 - Perhaps your right!
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Well...... I just flashed TAEL standard ROM."launch browser" button not working on internet tab.
@pilgrim011 - Perhaps your right!
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Did you try the timolol's ROM.
Everything is working on that !
You must give it a try.
My eris has worked FINE for the 1 year and 7 months that i've had it. Never got a replacement, has been rooted for, oh, 6 months?
Why do i feel like i got the only defective eris ever produced? I mean, the "norm" seems to be an eris that lasts 8-12 months, yet mine is absolutely perfect after 19 with HEAVY usage each day (my battery's dead by 9 pm with around 30% brightness)?
My upgrade is supposed to kick in sometime in march, and i'll be switching to the Thunderbolt because of the Eris' obvious tech limitations. Just wanted to know why i seem to be the lucky one, or, depending how you look at it, the unlucky one
Didn't the Eris come out just under 15 months ago?
I've had mine just over 13 months myself, with very heavy use. I did but the 1750 extended battery in early January 2010. Mine still works perfectly as well. Trackball is perfect. (Knocking wood as I type this - I'd rather upgrade when I can.)
I have had the same one since Dec. of 09. The only problem that I have had is the paint came off of the ear speaker. I just cleaned the rest of the paint off.
Got mine on the release day - Nov 6, 2009 iirc
Dropped it twice onto concrete from about mid-thigh height, and I got knocked into the ocean once with it (it was inside *two* ziploc bags, but it sounds awesome to say that ).
Chuggin' along just like the day it was new.
I received one replacement early on because I was hoping to get a rootable phone (and it was dropping calls like mad, but that's irrelevant)
I've had my current phone for over a year now and I love it. I've tried Tenzo, Tazz, Conap, and Kaos ROMs and dug all of them for varying reasons. The cool thing about this group is that we have so many dev's that put out something different out of love and the burning desire to tinker for us to enjoy and play with. We've had great themers, app developers (I'm looking at you Conap with your awesome CPUBoost!), and ROM developers. I couldn't be happier with this little phone
So, I join you folks that have a working phone and like it!
Have had mine 12+ months. Works great. Trackball started pulling to the left yesterday :-(
Have to perform a trackball-ectomy.
Dropped it on asphalt last summer and cracked the digitizer. Replaced it from a defective unit off ebay$40. Will replace tball and usb port with my spare parts if the pull gets worse.
Other than that, I've beat the bell out of it, flash a new rom every week. Goes naked, no case or jelly, burn up 6 hours or more of on time a day and sometimes I even make a phone call!
Killer phone for$ $25.00 (.....and $1500.00 contract)
Its my main go-to computer
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If you have one of the strong units then it will never break. Mine has been dropped so many times on concrete and tile that I no longer fear for it. (In a zip-lock bag) I've brought it into rivers and springs and it even has the original battery which runs swell with a little calibration here and there. So sit tight, short of taking a hammer to it, it probably won't die. (That's a good thing )
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I mean, the "norm" seems to be an eris that lasts 8-12 months,
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I highly doubt its the norm and message boards are magnets for people voicing complaints. I can speak from personal experience of 6 eris which were all bought at the same time (mine, wifes, wifes cousin and three co-workers who all got ours within a week of each other 9-10 months ago). Of the six eris 3 owners had complaints, one complained until they got verizon to replace it with something else and three are still happy with it. NONE of them actually had any hardware issue. ALL the complaints have been known software bugs or simply shortcomings of an unrooted entry level phone. none except me have any idea what rooting is much less XDA. I'm almost certain a) many eris being replaced dont actually have broken hardware and b) for every person on a message board that has had one, two, four replacements there are 100s more who's eris are still working fine. It doesn't take a large percentage to be classified as unreliable. If one in every ten of ANYTHING failed it would be considered and utter failure in reliability regardless of the 90% working perfectly fine.
I really have not had a problem with mine. Had it about a year.
Trackballectomy seems a success. Actually I replaced the usb port and cleaned the Tball and rollers with alcohol and made sure the circuitboard for the usb was fastened down tight to hold it in place.
Phone actually seems more responsive. I had been thinking, the Tball was sending errant commands, lagging and locking the phone up at times.
I wonder how many rom complaints might be the result of a Tball with a mind of its own??
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Had mine for 13 months and still works fine. No issues or trackball problems
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Same here, I've had mine for about a year now. I got it in the middle of February. Worked fine right through the OTA and through rooting it, as well. And since I've rooted it and installed a bunch of stuff and uninstalled a bunch of other stuff, it runs even better. I'm happy I've never had any trackball issues, or the dreaded "silent bug" that has plagued a number of Erises. I've dropped it a few times, and its got a few scratches, but it still runs faster than the day I got it. The only thing I wish is that it ran certain games a little better...I may look into overclocking it a bit to get it to run some of the games I have for Snesoid. Cause what else is there to do while in college? =P
I have had mine since 12/09 and love it. Actually the reason I went ahead and tried rooting (after lurking around here for about 2 months) was the fact that it is not top of the line and we had replaced the digitizer in my husband's phone. I figured if we could figure out how to tear the hardware all the way apart rooting with 1 click root and following directions on how to install a rom were easy.
Otherwise, risking losing my little gem of a phone would have scared the bejezus out of me. (I am not fond of the 4+ inch screens.)
I haven't had a screen protector or case on my phone ever. I am not the most careful.
Hi, All!
I have been reading this forum for a while. Been debating whether or not to root my phone finally. I have had my Droid Eris since mid Nov 2009 with no major problems. I decided this past weekend to take the plunge and root my phone. Had a few bugs with the ROM I picked out, but otherwise I am happy I decided to go down this road.
I've had mine since launch day, and haven't had a single issue. I rooted it in about March/April '09. I've always wondered the difference between mine and everyone who was having a lot of issues. People were going through 4 and 5 Eris' and I was wondering why mine has been so solid. My theory is that they used high quality components during initial production, but once they saw the D1 sell faster than the Eris, scaled back on costs and started to use lower quality hardware. However I think the trackball issues people have been having is just a design flaw. I'm guessing mine hasn't gone out because I really never use it
ReneeNEB95 said:
Hi, All!
I have been reading this forum for a while. Been debating whether or not to root my phone finally. I have had my Droid Eris since mid Nov 2009 with no major problems. I decided this past weekend to take the plunge and root my phone. Had a few bugs with the ROM I picked out, but otherwise I am happy I decided to go down this road.
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Hi! Welcome to the rooted Eris club!!! Not that you asked, but I just wanted to suggest, if you haven't already tried, either the xtrSENSE or xtrROM ROMs, in that order so it's not such a "culture shock" to go to a nearly no sense version of the otherwise stock-BASED ROM.
I've been running Froyo ROMs for several months now, but I'm about ->| |<- this close to going back to one of those two, which despite the advantages or differences of Froyo-based ROMs, overall gave me the best and bug free experience.
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Hi! Welcome to the rooted Eris club!!! Not that you asked, but I just wanted to suggest, if you haven't already tried, either the xtrSENSE or xtrROM ROMs, in that order so it's not such a "culture shock" to go to a nearly no sense version of the otherwise stock-BASED ROM.
I've been running Froyo ROMs for several months now, but I'm about ->| |<- this close to going back to one of those two, which despite the advantages or differences of Froyo-based ROMs, overall gave me the best and bug free experience.
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^ very sound advice.
The xtrROM/xtrSENSE ROMs seem to be the closest to the stock ROM/ SENSE ui that I've come across.
I keep finding myself reverting back to them after using some of the froyo ROM's out there just because they seem to be the most consistent for me. There are a few particular features of the froyo ROM's that keep drawing me back but each ROM I've tried hasn't quite left me feeling fulfilled quite like the xtr versions. I keep switching around and trying them out and the dev's for their respective ROM's are majorly talented guys and they've done a tremendous job of breathing life back into our eris'.
Give me xtrROM but with the additions of froyo/CM perks like battery % listed in notification bar, and control toggles in the notification bar and I'm there.
Each froyo ROM I've tried has been a rather great experience but there's always some little thing that bugs me enough to decide to switch back- for some ROM's it's the UBER-sensitive screen rotation, others its the lack of automatic pop-up of controls/toggles while on a call (to access speaker, mute, etc).
At least I got LauncherPro to replace SENSE for me- the additional shortcuts in the dock and the ability to change icons in the dock has been my born-again moment with xtrROM.
dan46n2 said:
Give me xtrROM but with the additions of froyo/CM perks like battery % listed in notification bar, and control toggles in the notification bar and I'm there.
Each froyo ROM I've tried has been a rather great experience but there's always some little thing that bugs me enough to decide to switch back- for some ROM's it's the UBER-sensitive screen rotation, others its the lack of automatic pop-up of controls/toggles while on a call (to access speaker, mute, etc).
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Amen, brotha!
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
Hi! Welcome to the rooted Eris club!!! Not that you asked, but I just wanted to suggest, if you haven't already tried, either the xtrSENSE or xtrROM ROMs, in that order so it's not such a "culture shock" to go to a nearly no sense version of the otherwise stock-BASED ROM.
I've been running Froyo ROMs for several months now, but I'm about ->| |<- this close to going back to one of those two, which despite the advantages or differences of Froyo-based ROMs, overall gave me the best and bug free experience.
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Sorry I don't check this forum very often. I went with KaosFroyo for the ROM. It wasn't too much of a culture shock because I had been using the Stock Android UI and then Launcher Pro for the last few months before rooting the phone. I have been meaning to put GingerShedBread on it lately, but have been lazy.
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I've had mine since launch day, and haven't had a single issue. I rooted it in about March/April '09. I've always wondered the difference between mine and everyone who was having a lot of issues. People were going through 4 and 5 Eris' and I was wondering why mine has been so solid. My theory is that they used high quality components during initial production, but once they saw the D1 sell faster than the Eris, scaled back on costs and started to use lower quality hardware. However I think the trackball issues people have been having is just a design flaw. I'm guessing mine hasn't gone out because I really never use it
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I don't think that's it. I got myself and my girlfriend Erises in March 2010 (a while after launch obviously) and both of ours have been awesome. I have been rooted since April 2010 and she has since May 2010. The issues that either of us have had is when I had the 50% time without signal bug (which most of us now know was not really a bug. Just a bug in the way it reported the stats) and maybe a few dropped calls here or there in low signal areas. Even battery life is pretty decent on our phones.
When the Eris launched I actually worked at an indirect Verizon store and out of approximately 60 droids and 50 Erises I sold I had around 10 people come back with issues on their Droid and less than 5 with issues on their Eris. IIRC only a couple droids had to be replaced and most just needed a factory reset, but only 1 Eris needed a factory reset and the rest were just user errors. Just thought I would throw that out there.
I will miss this little beast when I upgrade. I just hope I can pick up a phone that has half as awesome of a dev community as the Eris does! Kaos, shed, tazz, conap, jcase, all the hero devs that indirectly helped out, and all the others that have contributed (sorry I can't think of your names right now) you guys are awesome! Thanks for all your hard work! I hope to see you guys in the After Eris Life
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I just got a Thrill 4G and Im thinking about trading it in for an Atrix. The phone is great but the battery life sucks, and I cannot see the 3D screen with sun glasses on. I live in AZ so they are on every time I go outside so that is an important deciding factor for me.
The Atrix is $49 today so Im thinking about getting one. I'd love to hold out for the SGS2, but who knows when it will be out and it will prob be $199.
So, would you buy an Atrix again if you had to do it over again?
If I wouldn't of had to sell my first ATRIX I wouldn't have. My fave phone!
Tapped from my ATRIX.
No-brainer imo --- the atrix is FAR superior; I'll admit that with stock gingerbread the phone is kinda meh....still an awesome phone but nothing mindblowing. I assume since you're here you'll be unlocking and flashing it...which makes the phone AMAZING. The 3-D stuff just seems so gimmicky to me and won't be perfected/well-implemented for a good amount of time to come.
As far as the SGS2, on paper it looks like an amazing phone but I'll have to wait to see - I had the captivate and was so disappointed with it (anyone that had that phone from the beginning knows how horrendous Samsung's support was). I hope that Samsung has learned a lot since the beginning of the GS line because a phone with such amazing hardware shouldn't have so many problems.
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No-brainer imo --- the atrix is FAR superior; I'll admit that with stock gingerbread the phone is kinda meh....still an awesome phone but nothing mindblowing. I assume since you're here you'll be unlocking and flashing it...which makes the phone AMAZING. The 3-D stuff just seems so gimmicky to me and won't be perfected/well-implemented for a good amount of time to come.
As far as the SGS2, on paper it looks like an amazing phone but I'll have to wait to see - I had the captivate and was so disappointed with it (anyone that had that phone from the beginning knows how horrendous Samsung's support was). I hope that Samsung has learned a lot since the beginning of the GS line because a phone with such amazing hardware shouldn't have so many problems.
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I actually know exactly what you mean because I bought my Captivate a couple days after it was released. I still have it, dont use it, but I was really happy with it after flashing ROMS on it. The development forum on that phone is fantastic.
Yes, I would never have a stock phone. Did they ever get the bootloader unlocked on this phone? I know that was the major reason that people hesitated to get it.
i love my atrix. nothing out there is better to me. im running CM7 beta on it right now. so fast.
With CM7 , everything is happy
Love it, fast, nice camera, nice speaker, good gaming performance with THD games, great community.
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I actually know exactly what you mean because I bought my Captivate a couple days after it was released. I still have it, dont use it, but I was really happy with it after flashing ROMS on it. The development forum on that phone is fantastic.
Yes, I would never have a stock phone. Did they ever get the bootloader unlocked on this phone? I know that was the major reason that people hesitated to get it.
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There's an automatic bootload unlocker in this very forum I won't bash you because I missed it myself, hahaha. It worked like a charm for me though.
Here is the link::
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1182871
kisnerct said:
There's an automatic bootload unlocker in this very forum I won't bash you because I missed it myself, hahaha. It worked like a charm for me though.
Here is the link::
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1182871
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I didn't miss it because I wasn't looking for it. I don't have an Atrix and was asking a question.
Everything I've read says that the Atrix also has poor battery life. I saw a thread on a battery calibration and mod that is supposed to help. I dont want to trade ina phone with bad battery life for another phone with bad battery life.
Both have a dual core CPU but the Atrix has 1GB of RAM which is nice IMO. I cant see the Thrill 3D screen with sunglasses on which sucks to me. The 3D is very gimmicky and hurts my eyes, lol. And there is only one ROM and the dev's seems to be bailing on this phone so I don't see a very good future in the Thrill dev threads.
timbrendelaz said:
I didn't miss it because I wasn't looking for it. I don't have an Atrix and was asking a question.
Everything I've read says that the Atrix also has poor battery life. I saw a thread on a battery calibration and mod that is supposed to help. I dont want to trade ina phone with bad battery life for another phone with bad battery life.
Both have a dual core CPU but the Atrix has 1GB of RAM which is nice IMO. I cant see the Thrill 3D screen with sunglasses on which sucks to me. The 3D is very gimmicky and hurts my eyes, lol. And there is only one ROM and the dev's seems to be bailing on this phone so I don't see a very good future in the Thrill dev threads.
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Bad battery life reports are the vocal minority. Most of us here consider the battery to be one of the Atrix's strong points. I can get 2 1/2 days with light usage on mine with CM7 installed on it. Thats with wifi set to never sleep, and with GPS and 3G/HSPA enabled.
I love the Atrix. Literally the only problem I have with it is the pentile display, and even then its a very minor issue.
It has a 1930mAh and all the review sites i've read say the battery life is very good. Flashing a custom rom will make it even better! People have been getting like 16-24 hrs with Wifi and everything on, constantly browsing the internet and playing games (read it on youtube)
This is my first Android phone. Came from 4 years with the iPhone. Ill tell you this...not looking back. This phone was great stock. Now running cm7, this thing is fuggin amazing... battery and performance are nothing short of great.
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timbrendelaz said:
I just got a Thrill 4G and Im thinking about trading it in for an Atrix. The phone is great but the battery life sucks, and I cannot see the 3D screen with sun glasses on. I live in AZ so they are on every time I go outside so that is an important deciding factor for me.
The Atrix is $49 today so Im thinking about getting one. I'd love to hold out for the SGS2, but who knows when it will be out and it will prob be $199.
So, would you buy an Atrix again if you had to do it over again?
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The Atrix is an incredibly solid device. Gotta give AT&T credit for getting a top-notch device out of Motorola.
well it sounds like you guys are quite happy with it. If the battery life is that great then it's a no-brainer for $49.99. I do believe hat Im gonna return my thrill today. It a cool phone, but im a power user and ROM flashing addict so it seems i'll fit right in.
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well it sounds like you guys are quite happy with it. If the battery life is that great then it's a no-brainer for $49.99. I do believe hat Im gonna return my thrill today. It a cool phone, but im a power user and ROM flashing addict so it seems i'll fit right in.
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Good choice. The only HTC that is a solid Atrix competitor on AT&T (candybar Android w/o keyboard) is the Inspire4G, but honestly, after several HTC devices and several Moto devices, HTC may come up with cool designs and features, but Moto is great at implementing reliable, high-performing designs. I've never gotten the "oh, that is cheap" feeling with a Moto phone, while Samsung and HTC . . . meh!
Typically find out people who are complaining about battery life have heavy usage that would have even worse battery life on other phones. You had a captivate like I did, so I can tell you this phones battery kicks the **** out of the captivates....and will be even more amazing should you decide to UV it.
If you want to see a GOD AWFUL battery, **** around with an HTC inspire for about 6 hours lol.
Anyway, I think you should at least give the Atrix a try and worst case scenario you don't like it you bring it back within the 30 day window (assuming you will have one).
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I guess I'm the lone dissenter here. I'm not a fan of the Atrix. Maybe I got a lemon but it seems like there are a lot of problems.
The build quality is suspect. Dust and even a very small piece of cat hair has gotten under the screen. The back plate/battery cover feels cheap and creaks when I hold it. The GPS is rarely able to get a lock on my position, rendering it useless. Also, bluetooth connection is unreliable. I've tried 2 vehicle systems and 3 headsets. They are all able to pair fine, but lose connection in the middle of phone calls.
And if you've done research on the Atrix I'm sure you've read all about Motoblur and how ugly it makes the UI. It's all true. I'm on gingerbread and I have to say its hideous. The stock in-call screen, dialer and photo gallery all look like something designed by an elementary student.
Can you flash it and fix the ugliness of the UI? I'm not a techy but from what I've read the answer seems to be mixed. It would appear yes you can just as long as the OTA update of gingerbread has not been installed on the phone. If it has, you're either screwed or prepare to spend the next 3 years of your life reading up on how to hack the device.
On the positive side, believe everything you've seen about the Atrix's speed. By far the fastest phone I've ever used. The screen is nice and bright as well.
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Can you flash it and fix the ugliness of the UI? I'm not a techy but from what I've read the answer seems to be mixed. It would appear yes you can just as long as the OTA update of gingerbread has not been installed on the phone. If it has, you're either screwed or prepare to spend the next 3 years of your life reading up on how to hack the device.
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It sounds like you might have got a lemon. But, I had the ota update and flashed it the very same day with no problems at all so it honestly isn't that difficult.
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landoftherich said:
I guess I'm the lone dissenter here. I'm not a fan of the Atrix. Maybe I got a lemon but it seems like there are a lot of problems.
The build quality is suspect. Dust and even a very small piece of cat hair has gotten under the screen. The back plate/battery cover feels cheap and creaks when I hold it. The GPS is rarely able to get a lock on my position, rendering it useless. Also, bluetooth connection is unreliable. I've tried 2 vehicle systems and 3 headsets. They are all able to pair fine, but lose connection in the middle of phone calls.
And if you've done research on the Atrix I'm sure you've read all about Motoblur and how ugly it makes the UI. It's all true. I'm on gingerbread and I have to say its hideous. The stock in-call screen, dialer and photo gallery all look like something designed by an elementary student.
Can you flash it and fix the ugliness of the UI? I'm not a techy but from what I've read the answer seems to be mixed. It would appear yes you can just as long as the OTA update of gingerbread has not been installed on the phone. If it has, you're either screwed or prepare to spend the next 3 years of your life reading up on how to hack the device.
On the positive side, believe everything you've seen about the Atrix's speed. By far the fastest phone I've ever used. The screen is nice and bright as well.
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There are many options to get rid of the stock gingerbread Motoblur look. The obvious choice is CM7, which will do away with Blur entirely, and make your phone quite a bit quicker. Most themes available in XDA will get rid of the Blur look, and there is a huge selection in the App and Theme section. I use the ext4 Homebase Rom with his Honeycomb theme, and it significantly speeds up my phone.
I would recommend the Atrix over other Android phones for a few reasons. The biggest reason why I like it so much is because of the form factor. I like the 4 inch screen more than 4.3 or 4.5 or 9.3. Battery life has been pretty good, at least as good as I can reasonably expect from a smartphone. The hardware specs are comparable to any other Android device, and if you're willing to root and flash custom Roms, you will notice a marked improvement over stock performance (which I think is true of any Android phone). What really makes this phone as slick as it is are its accessories. I just bought the lapdock from Vancouver Craigslist for $150 and I love it. I knew when I bought it that it was kind of gimmicky (like the 3D from your Thrill), but for what I need this tool for, it's been outstanding. Nothing beats watching Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad on my hour commute to work while simultaneously charging my phone!
I love my Atrix, and it's a shame the phone got such a bad wrap off the bat due poor implementation of Blur on 2.2, and encrypted bootloader. Now with the unlocked bootloader and better blur, in addition to more and more custom roms being built, this phone is coming closer to its potential. I wish it had a metal back plate, but I understand the potential of worse reception and getting hotter than the plastic cover. All in all, the only phone I would remotely consider exchanging my Atrix for would be the Sensation, and even then I think I'd really have to be sold on the idea. I hope this helps with your decision.
Cm7 is a must on the atrix. I've tried other roms but none ever worked quite right. Annoying fc & other errors - but thanks to those devs for putting in the time & effort. Blur is complete crap: I couldn't even listen to my mp3s without the music stuttering bcuz the phone was busy searching for "suggestions" of similar songs I may like. Damn you, for the unwanted marketing on my device, at&t & Motorola. For a while, I very much regretted trading in my iPhone. But now all is well. Thank you cm7 devs!
So I just got my Atrix
It has 1.2.6 as a build on it, and from reading I'm not finding too much information on that build. I don't think that I want to do the OTA to 4.1.57 though because I keep reading about bricks. I'm going to put a ROM on it, more than likely CM7 so Im not sure what good it would do to update OTA. I'll have to root it though so I guess I can get on that first but all of the root guides are for 1.8.x and up.