I will soon have a Cingular 8525. I was thinking of upgrading it to the South African ROM. The one with the 1.09 bootloader.
I know the phone will have either a 1.04 or 1.06 bootloader so I can definitely unlock it, but I am looking for a full procedure thing. There is a lot with this, such as not being able to downgrade from 1.09 to 1.04 (which I found out you can actually do), and getting the SuperCID working, etc.
So could somebody be so kind and write up a procedure so I dont screw up a brand new phone. Thanks a bunch.
I second this request.
Actually I have read quite a lot about this on these wonderful forums by wonderful people but I am still not confident and therefore want to ask some specific questions:
1) My Jasjam original ROM is with bootloader 1.06. On the I-Mate site there is a ROM available with bootloader 1.04 and having the same CID as the one currently on my machine. If I install this ROM will my bootloader change to 1.04 from 1.06??
2) If after installing the ROM with bootloader 1.04 I attempt to install any other Hermes ROM say the Dopod ROM will it be possible simply by connecting my device with the computer through active sync and running the installation file on the PC?? Personally I think this will be possible as the bug in the bootloader 1.04 will allow me to do so.
3) My last question is that if after installing the i-mate ROM with bootloader 1.04 I install another ROM with bootloader 1.09 will I be permanently stuck with the bootloader 1.09 and afterwards not being able to install any other ROM.
I know some of my questions may sound foolish but I need the answers to gain some confidence that I have understood what I have read in these forums.
Kind Regards
@staulkor:
- Downgrade to cingular 1.30 rom to have bootloader 1.04 on your 8525
- Follow unlocking process as explained in the Readme file
- Double check that your radio version has changed from 1.13 to 1.16 after flashing the patched radio, once you're running the patched radio run Herm_Unlock_v2a.exe to SIM/CID unlock your phone.
- Upgrade to cingular 1.34 ROM again if you want the original ROM back on your device
@srmz:
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes, but read this
Thank Pof. I have heard much about you and all of your greatness throughout these forums. Thanks again
I'm new here and sorry for the nooB-ish question, but I'm going to be picking up an 8525 in the next week or so, and have been reading the wiki, and many posts like a madman...
I'm intending to flash a WM06 to it when I get it (LVSW's Pro 06 most likely) and I just want to be sure I understand the procedure. I have been reading the wiki (for the past couple days) and finally have read myself into a corner, so thought I'd ask.
It is likely I'm going to get the phone from ebay or something, so I'm not too concerned about the carrier's warranty. Besides, any time I tried to warranty a phone through Cingular in the past has been a headache.
That said, the steps I think I need to take are as follows:
1) us pof's v3 SIM and CID unlocker. I plan on unlocking both SIM and CID. Currently I am on Cingular, but I'd like to do this step in case I'm not on Cingular, or end up travelling and go with a pay as you go type of plan while abroad. And the CID, well I know I'll be going to a non Cingular branded ROM.
2) (not sure about this part)- load hard SPL onto the phone... but if I'm CID unlocking it, do I still need to do this?
3) run the RUU and upgrade to the LVSW (WM6 Style) Custom ROM, with the 1.34 radio, 1.10Oli SPL, and HTC Boot 0108
4) do it again, but with the LVSW (Pro Style) 15/3/07, which will give me the OS only, in the Pro Style look I'm after
5) flash it to the newer 1.38 radio sans GPS
Two or three days ago, I wouldn't have even half understood what I just wrote. I'm hoping I got it... where I am having issues is with the myriad different "use this method to flash your phone and not brick it" things in the wiki. I'm not by any means new to phone flashing, but with like 8-9 phones in the last couple years, all of which I modded in some way or another, this is my first foray outside Motorola.
So, did I get it? Or am I well on the way to owning a neat doorstop?
Thanks for any constructive input you all might have.
Sounds fine to me. But, you don't need the SuperCID to flash non-cingular as long as you're using the custom RUU's and SSPL.
Definately flash hard-spl, (although, that is the same as 1.10.Oli), I'd still probably flash it before anything else just to make sure.
Also, I'd probably check out Oli's "Mount ExtRom without SuperCID" thread if you still want access to the extrom.. Basically, if you use this and skip pof's unlocker, you'll still have Cingular CID, but, all the benefits of SuperCID.
Only use pof's unlocker if you want the sim unlock.. WHICH Cingular will give to you by calling customer service and requesting it after telling them you are traveling to Europe, etc..
Up to you though...
If you're going to use pof's unlock etc and Hard SPL why flash the custom rom before the pro style one. Can't you just go straight to the second rom?
@LegolasTheElf- thanks! I'll look into those options.
@randomelements- yep, I could. I didn't realize that the Oli SPL was pushing Hard SPL to the phone... And, with upgrading the radio, I guess it really doesn't matter.... I was going to go with that LVSW custom rom for the upgraded radio... it made it on the list of things to do on Sat. Then, Sunday I was reading the 1.38 (Hermes) radio upgrade thread, and decided to throw that on the list too.
I'm going to change my mind.. Here's the process:
1. Pof's unlocker (if you want)
2. Install Oli's Hard-SPL
3. Install 1.38.00.10 radio
4. Install OS *only* LVSW pro
5. Install Oli's Mount ExtRom without supercid if you didn't already unlock with pof's unlocker.
That will mean only one radio flash (radio being the leading cause of bricks), a good chance of fixing it (Oli's BL), and the OS you want. ExtRom is ignored as the WM6 roms don't use it anyways...
I concur.
LegolasTheElf said:
I'm going to change my mind.. Here's the process:
1. Pof's unlocker (if you want)
2. Install Oli's Hard-SPL
3. Install 1.38.00.10 radio
4. Install OS *only* LVSW pro
5. Install Oli's Mount ExtRom without supercid if you didn't already unlock with pof's unlocker.
That will mean only one radio flash (radio being the leading cause of bricks), a good chance of fixing it (Oli's BL), and the OS you want. ExtRom is ignored as the WM6 roms don't use it anyways...
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Hey, great, thanks!
For some reason I didn't pick up on the Radio flash being the cause of the bricks... I just thought it was with the RUU and CID interferance.
over2land said:
Hey, great, thanks!
For some reason I didn't pick up on the Radio flash being the cause of the bricks... I just thought it was with the RUU and CID interferance.
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That's only half the cause. The other half is boneheads and ****wits (to use a coined term on here.. Thanks Oli!) that can't/don't read before they charge forward and install crap without any idea of what the hell they're doing.
[email protected] ****wits, I'll have to use that one.
Thanks again.
I have been reading all across the forums how to CID unlock, upgrade etc. However, I am not able to find the ways to do seeminly essential homework before trying to upgrade. These for me are:-
* Finding a way to completely backup all the stuff from original tytn. Like ROM, SPL, IPL, Radio, CIDlock etc. I feel that this is important as if ever I feel like going to the tried old one I should be able to and to preserve the warranty also. Also, the method to roll back if needed. This should be covering re CID locking the phone etc.
It makes sense to create a way to bring the phone to its completlely original shape if we need it
Thanks
Alber
alber786 said:
I have been reading all across the forums how to CID unlock, upgrade etc. However, I am not able to find the ways to do seeminly essential homework before trying to upgrade. These for me are:-
* Finding a way to completely backup all the stuff from original tytn. Like ROM, SPL, IPL, Radio, CIDlock etc. I feel that this is important as if ever I feel like going to the tried old one I should be able to and to preserve the warranty also. Also, the method to roll back if needed. This should be covering re CID locking the phone etc.
It makes sense to create a way to bring the phone to its completlely original shape if we need it
Thanks
Alber
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You do not need to back up your spl, ipl, etc. because if you need to roll back you can just reflash them on, and they can be found around here and in the wiki.
You cannot un-CIDunlock, but if you use hardspl v7 it will "trick" your phone into thinking it is (when in reality it isnt) so that you do not have to actually unlock it. If you ever need to send it in you can just flash the old spl over it.
mcorrie1121 said:
You do not need to back up your spl, ipl, etc. because if you need to roll back you can just reflash them on, and they can be found around here and in the wiki.
You cannot un-CIDunlock, but if you use hardspl v7 it will "trick" your phone into thinking it is (when in reality it isnt) so that you do not have to actually unlock it. If you ever need to send it in you can just flash the old spl over it.
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So you mean that hardspl doesnt CID unlock it? But isnt there really a way to extract the original components and then put them back again ?
thanks
Alber
alber786 said:
So you mean that hardspl doesnt CID unlock it? But isnt there really a way to extract the original components and then put them back again ?
thanks
Alber
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HardSPL does not CID unlock. pof's Free Unlocker (a sticky thread) does the SIM and CID unlocking. HardSPL is a new set of bootloaders allowing upgrade utilities to access and read/write to the phone. The most important aspect of this (besides bypassing the CID check) is the security - it has some overwrite protection built in to prevent you from accidentally corrupting the bootloader area, rendering your phone a brick. HardSPL is a safety measure.
If you check THE WIKI here on xda for the Hermes, you will find some stuff on extracting. It is most probable that it will be FAR easier to find new versions of everything you have, rather than trying to back up and restore. The wiki contains MANY shipped ROMs to allow you to restore back to basically the original condition. LOOK HERE for MW5 shipped ROMs and LOOK HERE for WM6 shipped ROMs.
todd_jg said:
HardSPL does not CID unlock. pof's Free Unlocker (a sticky thread) does the SIM and CID unlocking. HardSPL is a new set of bootloaders allowing upgrade utilities to access and read/write to the phone. The most important aspect of this (besides bypassing the CID check) is the security - it has some overwrite protection built in to prevent you from accidentally corrupting the bootloader area, rendering your phone a brick. HardSPL is a safety measure.
If you check THE WIKI here on xda for the Hermes, you will find some stuff on extracting. It is most probable that it will be FAR easier to find new versions of everything you have, rather than trying to back up and restore. The wiki contains MANY shipped ROMs to allow you to restore back to basically the original condition. LOOK HERE for MW5 shipped ROMs and LOOK HERE for WM6 shipped ROMs.
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what about the radio upgrade
the htc108 thing
its confusing
on pof's sticky it says to downgrade the radio if u have the htc 108..
but on the radio upgrade sticky, it says u can upgrade any phone[hermes] using custom ruu..
todd_jg said:
HardSPL does not CID unlock. pof's Free Unlocker (a sticky thread) does the SIM and CID unlocking. HardSPL is a new set of bootloaders allowing upgrade utilities to access and read/write to the phone. The most important aspect of this (besides bypassing the CID check) is the security - it has some overwrite protection built in to prevent you from accidentally corrupting the bootloader area, rendering your phone a brick. HardSPL is a safety measure.
If you check THE WIKI here on xda for the Hermes, you will find some stuff on extracting. It is most probable that it will be FAR easier to find new versions of everything you have, rather than trying to back up and restore. The wiki contains MANY shipped ROMs to allow you to restore back to basically the original condition. LOOK HERE for MW5 shipped ROMs and LOOK HERE for WM6 shipped ROMs.
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Thanks a lot for the reply, I appreciate the time you spent in expaining this to me and providing these links.
I was wondering if HARDSPL is like shelltool where it will only allow upgrade or flashing of OS part. So, once I use the HARDSPL and flash say HTC official WM6 release or Dopod WM6, will I be ableto to get the bundled radio and SPL and IPL upgrades from these ROMS? and if yes then will HARDSPL get replaced by these SPLs and IPLs built into the ROMS? One more thing, will an upgrade like that can brick the phone as if I rum the official ROM it will try to upgrade the SPL and IPL (I am not sure).
What is the preferred way of upgrading ? unlocking CID by the tool or HARDSPL ?
I have read somewhere that lockwiz tool used for Wizard can save CID also and some tool and put it back also but I dont know how and if the same tool can do it for hermes?
Regards,
Alber
alber786 said:
Thanks a lot for the reply, I appreciate the time you spent in expaining this to me and providing these links.
I was wondering if HARDSPL is like shelltool where it will only allow upgrade or flashing of OS part. So, once I use the HARDSPL and flash say HTC official WM6 release or Dopod WM6, will I be ableto to get the bundled radio and SPL and IPL upgrades from these ROMS? and if yes then will HARDSPL get replaced by these SPLs and IPLs built into the ROMS? One more thing, will an upgrade like that can brick the phone as if I rum the official ROM it will try to upgrade the SPL and IPL (I am not sure).
What is the preferred way of upgrading ? unlocking CID by the tool or HARDSPL ?
I have read somewhere that lockwiz tool used for Wizard can save CID also and some tool and put it back also but I dont know how and if the same tool can do it for hermes?
Regards,
Alber
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Most cooked roms are os only, but a few have a radio, etc. included. If its os only, flashing will only change the os. You can separately flash radio.
Hardspl is the best because its reversible. Well thats not the best word to describe it....id say because its not permanent. But u know what i mean
alber786 said:
Thanks a lot for the reply, I appreciate the time you spent in expaining this to me and providing these links.
I was wondering if HARDSPL is like shelltool where it will only allow upgrade or flashing of OS part. So, once I use the HARDSPL and flash say HTC official WM6 release or Dopod WM6, will I be ableto to get the bundled radio and SPL and IPL upgrades from these ROMS? and if yes then will HARDSPL get replaced by these SPLs and IPLs built into the ROMS? One more thing, will an upgrade like that can brick the phone as if I rum the official ROM it will try to upgrade the SPL and IPL (I am not sure).
What is the preferred way of upgrading ? unlocking CID by the tool or HARDSPL ?
I have read somewhere that lockwiz tool used for Wizard can save CID also and some tool and put it back also but I dont know how and if the same tool can do it for hermes?
Regards,
Alber
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Mcorrie1121 is right. I will add a couple of things.
1. HardSPL is not *necessary* for flashing anything, it only makes it safer and allows you to flash ROMs with CIDs that do not match your device without CID unlocking. Your ROM is basically a few parts - OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, ExtROM, MainSplash and SubSplash. The HardSPL will replace the SPL only. Most non-carrier ROM releases are OS only. Most carrier ROMs (as you pointed out) have ALL of these things. As Mcorrie1121 pointed out, you can easily find a radio - check the wiki, search, etc.
2. Once you have upgraded to a cooked ROM (and HardSPL), you will still be able to upgrade to a Shipped Official ROM. You may need to "unpack" it and use the CustomRUU instead of the shipped updater. That is OK though.
3. HardSPL will not allow overwriting of the IPL/SPL except by another HardSPL (see mrvanx.org downgrade guides). You will not have a problem. It will keep your bootloader zone safe.
4. I don't think there is a preferred way. Some people unlock CID, others do not. There is no reason to *not* unlock it, unless you plan to send it back - and I have never heard of someone getting service rejected for this reason. Wring ROM, yes. CID unlocked, no. That said, maybe try without CID unlocking first and then if you find you need to do it for some reason, then do it. You really do not have to do it, since the Custom Updater bypasses the CID check anyway.
5. Regarding the 0108 Radio BL issue, don't worry much about that - it is an old problem. Just don't go below whatever version you have now.
todd_jg said:
Mcorrie1121 is right. I will add a couple of things.
1. HardSPL is not *necessary* for flashing anything, it only makes it safer and allows you to flash ROMs with CIDs that do not match your device without CID unlocking. Your ROM is basically a few parts - OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, ExtROM, MainSplash and SubSplash. The HardSPL will replace the SPL only. Most non-carrier ROM releases are OS only. Most carrier ROMs (as you pointed out) have ALL of these things. As Mcorrie1121 pointed out, you can easily find a radio - check the wiki, search, etc.
2. Once you have upgraded to a cooked ROM (and HardSPL), you will still be able to upgrade to a Shipped Official ROM. You may need to "unpack" it and use the CustomRUU instead of the shipped updater. That is OK though.
3. HardSPL will not allow overwriting of the IPL/SPL except by another HardSPL (see mrvanx.org downgrade guides). You will not have a problem. It will keep your bootloader zone safe.
4. I don't think there is a preferred way. Some people unlock CID, others do not. There is no reason to *not* unlock it, unless you plan to send it back - and I have never heard of someone getting service rejected for this reason. Wring ROM, yes. CID unlocked, no. That said, maybe try without CID unlocking first and then if you find you need to do it for some reason, then do it. You really do not have to do it, since the Custom Updater bypasses the CID check anyway.
5. Regarding the 0108 Radio BL issue, don't worry much about that - it is an old problem. Just don't go below whatever version you have now.
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Thanks, I appreciate your help. Please tell me if I can put back WM5 back on it after upgrading.
Regards,
Alber
todd_jg said:
Mcorrie1121 is right. I will add a couple of things.
1. HardSPL is not *necessary* for flashing anything, it only makes it safer and allows you to flash ROMs with CIDs that do not match your device without CID unlocking. Your ROM is basically a few parts - OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, ExtROM, MainSplash and SubSplash. The HardSPL will replace the SPL only. Most non-carrier ROM releases are OS only. Most carrier ROMs (as you pointed out) have ALL of these things. As Mcorrie1121 pointed out, you can easily find a radio - check the wiki, search, etc.
2. Once you have upgraded to a cooked ROM (and HardSPL), you will still be able to upgrade to a Shipped Official ROM. You may need to "unpack" it and use the CustomRUU instead of the shipped updater. That is OK though.
3. HardSPL will not allow overwriting of the IPL/SPL except by another HardSPL (see mrvanx.org downgrade guides). You will not have a problem. It will keep your bootloader zone safe.
4. I don't think there is a preferred way. Some people unlock CID, others do not. There is no reason to *not* unlock it, unless you plan to send it back - and I have never heard of someone getting service rejected for this reason. Wring ROM, yes. CID unlocked, no. That said, maybe try without CID unlocking first and then if you find you need to do it for some reason, then do it. You really do not have to do it, since the Custom Updater bypasses the CID check anyway.
5. Regarding the 0108 Radio BL issue, don't worry much about that - it is an old problem. Just don't go below whatever version you have now.
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Dear, please help me with one thing-I am terribly confused about the procedure to upgrade my JASJAM to WM6. I understand that one way is to CIS unlock it and install on it the official and dopod releases of WM6. I wanted to know how can I do the same using the HARDspl. I know that I can install the HARDSPL but after that what ??? Can I then run the offcial RUU from HTC or Dopod or I am supposed to do it some other way as I am afraid that it may contain the SPL and IPL and can break by phone OR I have to use some customRUU (I dont know) OR I am supposed to extract the OS from these official releases (I dont know how) OR ..
Can you please clear these confusion??
I have:-
* I-Mate JASJAM, CID locked i suppose as when I run official HTC or dopod it says this update utility is not for this
*I really wanted to save my devices complete state and a way to revert it to the way it was like SPL, IPL, OS, Radio, CID lock etc.
PLS pls help
Regards,
Alber
alber786 said:
Dear, please help me with one thing-I am terribly confused about the procedure to upgrade my JASJAM to WM6. I understand that one way is to CIS unlock it and install on it the official and dopod releases of WM6. I wanted to know how can I do the same using the HARDspl. I know that I can install the HARDSPL but after that what ??? Can I then run the offcial RUU from HTC or Dopod or I am supposed to do it some other way as I am afraid that it may contain the SPL and IPL and can break by phone OR I have to use some customRUU (I dont know) OR I am supposed to extract the OS from these official releases (I dont know how) OR ..
Can you please clear these confusion??
I have:-
* I-Mate JASJAM, CID locked i suppose as when I run official HTC or dopod it says this update utility is not for this
*I really wanted to save my devices complete state and a way to revert it to the way it was like SPL, IPL, OS, Radio, CID lock etc.
PLS pls help
Regards,
Alber
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CLICK THIS LINK
There are upgrade guides there and guides to put it back the way it was (OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, MainSplash and SubSplash) - it is all covered.
The upgrade guides will get you through the upgrade process. The only thing you need to do after that to use an official upgrade is to unrar (using winrar or something) the executable file and take the nbh and us it with the CustomRUU, which can be found HERE .
Hi guys,
I´ve read a lot of posts here at xda.
But i have few questions before i try to upgrade.
First of all, my RADIO version is not listed anywhere here. It is 1.58.21.26. So if i SuperCid it, is there a problem to put another radio version?
2 - If i install another ROM(original or cooked), is there a way to go back to the default rom that it´s in my phone? even after i installed other radio version?
3- supercid, hardspl, sspl or uspl? wich one is better or keeps my original rom and radio??
Thanks!!!!
1. If you CID, and use HardSPL (1.22 latest i believe) you should have no problems flashing new Radios or ROM's.
2. When you flash a new ROM your current one is over written (after you have flashed it you have to set up the OS again - all data stored in phone memory will be lost).
3. They are all different Things. HardSPL permanently updates the SPL on your phone allowing you to flash a new ROM when ever with bricking your phone. SSPL (SoftSPL) allows you to flash a new ROM (or radio, or hspl) 1 time then returns to the normal SPL. uspl, I'm not sure about I have never used it before. and CID unlocks the device to all networks and allows you to flash any ROM (rather than just ones from your carrier or official HTC ones. NONE of these will preserve your ROM if you flash a new one. however if you just flash these bits they should not effect windows or your radio.
DO NOT put a new ROM on your phone until you have unlocked it and put HardSPL or SoftSPL on it. If your brick your phone its near impossible to get it working again!
Questions before proceeding.
My HTC NIKI100 was unlocked for any carrier through the IMEI code, it also has the original radio 1.58.21.26. Perform the installation process of HARDSPL 1:22 as the tutorial here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355730 and got success! now I can put a new radio or need to do the procedures as SuperCID here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395945 ???