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A problem, for my important one, is that it occupies much memory.
It is to say..., in my single country exist maps for GARMIN XT and if I install MANILA DIALER does not load GARMIN to me XT by lack of memory, if I install plugins in the TODAY does not load the GARMIN to me by lack of memory...
Thanks!!!!!!!!!
I also have this issue with garmin mobile xt. This is not an issue with garmin only - i have it with all applications with high memory usage. Opera, netfront, album and garmin mobile xt have these issues for me.
I used before spb mobile shell on today screen / WM6 stock and I'm started applications from there - this causes lot of troubles for me now with AP4. It will work in first few attempts, but after few close/opens it seams like memory gets corrupted and any application from this affected list will not start at all. They are stuck but other small applications are working fine. Same issue with starting from HTC home and resco today plugin.
I tried multiple hard-resets, software configs and figured out only one solution for now. I have just simple default today's plugins and qickmenu. If I start applications from quickmenu everything appears to be fine - all can be started at once, no visible problems for now. As soon I use application start from today screen - applications will not start correctly, no error message, nothing. It just does not start - for example opera, loading popup will be shown forever.
I'm also tried with hard-reseted rom without any application installed. Same effect with opera - it will not start after few application started.
Do you have issues with other applications or just garmin mobile?
I also find that memory usage in base rom is too high. A lot of apps just refuse to start. Opera only works less than half the time, even if nothing else is running. Tom Tom only work 7 out 10 times. Movies tend to stutter after a few minutes. I have shut off vueflo, touchflo, removed some items in windows/startup and still device is not very usable. ALso, changed some registry tweaks with sktools, and schaps config, better but still issues.
I had a lot of high hopes for AP4, but am finding it not very useful for running applications. Opera is useless now. Who cares if it is a newer version if it hardly ever works. Actually, I found the Pre-Reease version worked better. I mean if you can't use today pluggins, kinda of makes the device crippled. Oh well, I guess back to using my kasier, until something is changed to make the device better.
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I also find that memory usage in base rom is too high. A lot of apps just refuse to start. Opera only works less than half the time, even if nothing else is running. Tom Tom only work 7 out 10 times. Movies tend to stutter after a few minutes. I have shut off vueflo, touchflo, removed some items in windows/startup and still device is not very usable. ALso, changed some registry tweaks with sktools, and schaps config, better but still issues.
I had a lot of high hopes for AP4, but am finding it not very useful for running applications. Opera is useless now. Who cares if it is a newer version if it hardly ever works. Actually, I found the Pre-Reease version worked better. I mean if you can't use today pluggins, kinda of makes the device crippled. Oh well, I guess back to using my kasier, until something is changed to make the device better.
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you say the pre release worked better. so that makes me wonder if the reason for the memory problems isnt the new manila sip. i think i need to do a beta of a potential 4.1 and try to get the rom right this time. few more issues need to be fixed and i'll have a public 4.1 beta available.
Pawel062 said:
you say the pre release worked better. so that makes me wonder if the reason for the memory problems isnt the new manila sip. i think i need to do a beta of a potential 4.1 and try to get the rom right this time. few more issues need to be fixed and i'll have a public 4.1 beta available.
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Pawel... my English is not very good... (Speak spanish and translate ALTAVISTA) are working in a new version that occupied less memory?
Thanks.
eagle 1 said:
I also find that memory usage in base rom is too high. A lot of apps just refuse to start. Opera only works less than half the time, even if nothing else is running. Tom Tom only work 7 out 10 times. Movies tend to stutter after a few minutes. I have shut off vueflo, touchflo, removed some items in windows/startup and still device is not very usable. ALso, changed some registry tweaks with sktools, and schaps config, better but still issues.
I had a lot of high hopes for AP4, but am finding it not very useful for running applications. Opera is useless now. Who cares if it is a newer version if it hardly ever works. Actually, I found the Pre-Reease version worked better. I mean if you can't use today pluggins, kinda of makes the device crippled. Oh well, I guess back to using my kasier, until something is changed to make the device better.
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Hello, Eagle, from where I can remove that previous version (Pre-Release version)?
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Hello, Eagle, from where I can remove that previous version (Pre-Release version)?
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Sorry Pre-release version is not available.
As pawel stated, he is working on another version that may use less memory.
After reading over my post, it seems a bit harsh. I did not mean for it to come across that way. A lot of work went into AP4 and sounds like more will come from the team.
Pawel, I see dutty commented on the AP4 and that he was going to try it out. Ever think about trying to get him to collaborate with the AP4 team. He is a great rom builder and seems to put out Roms (always better) every couple of weeks with the latest wm versions for the kaiser.
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Sorry Pre-release version is not available.
As pawel stated, he is working on another version that may use less memory.
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@dutty: welcome, some suggestion for AP4.1?
@Pawel
I am testing AP4, at system's startup, 63.52 Mb free (100.83 Total) with Memmaid only
Having Memmaid, Mail, PocketCM(2.1), Resco 2007, Today Agenda, HTC HOME VGA and Audio Manager active 43.36 Mb free
Adding windows media, opera (default page), tom tom 6, I still have 37 Mb free
Adding large pages to opera (www.repubblica.it, big page, and xda developers in a second tab), Internet Explorer (www.repubblica.it ), I have 22Mb free, more than some TyTN!
From the "plain AP4" I tweaked the system for speed, (many tools can to the same, including Schaps advanced config), removed HTC home using HTC_HOME_VGA
I can't believe in a real low memory problem! I confirm the feeling about the system seems "to hang" sometime when many applications are opened, waiting 10-15 seconds everything is working again and is still responsive.
May be the problems reported are buffer problem, a cache problem..., low resources problem, instead of a simple low memory.
I've closed memmaid and it seems to freeze for a while , tapping on upper's bar application tab nothing happens (Yes, I forgot, I am using wtask and quickmenu too) , but after 8-10 sec is working again and is fast!
Windows error messages are liers sometime (many...) !
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@dutty: welcome, some suggestion for AP4.1?
@Pawel
I am testing AP4, at system's startup, 63.52 Mb free (100.83 Total) with Memmaid only
Having Memmaid, Mail, PocketCM(2.1), Resco 2007, Today Agenda, HTC HOME VGA and Audio Manager active 43.36 Mb free
Adding windows media, opera (default page), tom tom 6, I still have 37 Mb free
Adding large pages to opera (www.repubblica.it, big page, and xda developers in a second tab), Internet Explorer (www.repubblica.it ), I have 22Mb free, more than some TyTN!
From the "plain AP4" I tweaked the system for speed, (many tools can to the same, including Schaps advanced config), removed HTC home using HTC_HOME_VGA
I can't believe in a real low memory problem! I confirm the feeling about the system seems "to hang" sometime when many applications are opened, waiting 10-15 seconds everything is working again and is still responsive.
May be the problems reported are buffer problem, a cache problem..., low resources problem, instead of a simple low memory.
I've closed memmaid and it seems to freeze for a while , tapping on upper bar application tab nothing happens (Yes, I forgot, I am using wtask and quickmenu too) , but after 8-10 sec is working again and is fast!
Windows error messages are liers sometime (many...) !
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and which two explanation you find him to that if I have plugins in today, GARMIN XT does not start and if them exempt if?
If I have installed MANILA DIALER, GARMIN XT to not it starts me and if exempt it, if?
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and which two explanation you find him to that if I have plugins in today, GARMIN XT does not start and if them exempt if?
If I have installed MANILA DIALER, GARMIN XT to not it starts me and if exempt it, if?
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Low resources, badly written SW (Manila Dialer, Today's Plugins or Garmin XT), many other explanations. Don't trust in windows errors codes, from Vista to CE, they are only a trace!
the loading screen just gets stuck & then nothing else happens. any chance of getting a standalone opera browser installer so that i can reinstall it on my athena? i.e. the opera browser version found in AP4 & not the 9.33 version thanks guys ian
Haven't had that problem, but when I go into opera:config some of the settings won't save. The number of tabs (stuck on 5 even though at first it appears to save a higher number) and turning off the password cache (it won't go away) are two that come to mind.
I also really don't like the lack of scroll bars in this version of Opera.
Yes, it seems several people have complained of this issue. I also have the issue. Seems to be lack of memory available, try remove some today plugins, set keyboad and dialer to basic, soft reset and see if Opera responds better..For me, that works, but not worth the trouble. I also would like the old version in a cab.
Yes, same with mine too. Need to free up memory occasionally.
Me3 - A soft reboot seems to clear it. This Opera is flupping ace, I've been boring everyone with it at work
Ltxda posted a cab for opera 9.4 (in ap4) on the forums a bit ago.Dont have the thread on hand but i do believe it was titled "opera 9.4 be a not 9.33"
plasmod3 said:
the loading screen just gets stuck & then nothing else happens. any chance of getting a standalone opera browser installer so that i can reinstall it on my athena? i.e. the opera browser version found in AP4 & not the 9.33 version thanks guys ian
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I had experienced this few times. Looks like not enough memory.
Opera 9.5
Hi,
Irus has just released his version of WM6.1 rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2176129&postcount=1). In his addons there is a cab named "Opera_9.5__Build_405__Fixed_Uninstall__VGA.cab". I have installed it on my original HTC WM6 rom. I did it on my SD so I can use it or use old version of Opera supplied with my rom.
I can say that I do not have any problems with memory. I am using pBar which shows me memory all the time, so I could see that Opera (the new one) takes a lot of it but as normally I have well over 60 MB, while in Opera it drops down about 10 MB.
However I hate it. No scrolling bars, finger scrolling is mostly not working. It behaves completely unreliably. Some pages are messed (in old opera they were shown properly) and so on. And no vueFlow. In old version it works and I am using it all the time.
Hi Tadeusz - did you have problems before? I use AP4.0 and have had absolutely no problems with Opera, it seams to be a conflict with other apps eg Garmin XT and Adobe reader 2, have you tested this version with those?
Anyone have a link to the Opera 8.65 that was in stock and other roms?
Hi,
tested tt7 on my Ameo
all work file with new maps as well..
Attached pic..
That is good news, thanks!
Do you have the program available for download or is it already available on TomTom's website?
I heard that it is just a cosmetic overhaul of version 6 and that the 6.75 maps will also work with it. Can you confirm?
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Please don't post TT7 warez links here.
Feel free to discuss but avoid posting downloads...
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I heard that it is just a cosmetic overhaul of version 6 and that the 6.75 maps will also work with it. Can you confirm?
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I can confirm the following:
- You can download a v7 map of a city of your choice at zero cost as a taster
- MapShare is there!
- Reports itself as v7450
- Compatible with at v7 maps, v6 not tested, why would you want a map THAT old?
- Works with TomTom Home 2 (but TTH2 reports that an invalid version is installed at the moment)
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Please don't post TT7 warez links here.
Feel free to discuss but avoid posting downloads...
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The download is a taster version stripped from the diamond rom. It is currently or was posted in the kaiser software section. And in that section they allow the taster version, but discussions of downloading maps other than from TOM TOM are not allowed.
No TT6 maps do not work, the free one city maps work great. And some have purchased maps for the tomtom 720 from TomTom and they work on the kaiser. See that forum for more discussion too.
I loved the speed limit warning and the ability to update the map by yourself (however see my comment below on some problems enounterd in this regards). I also love the voice warning for red light camera, speed camera, as well as school zones (very critical feature in Australia).
I was testing out the ability to enter missing road speed limit. It let me do it. However, whatever changes I recorded does not seem to be saved. If I travel the same stretch of road again, or plan a route covering the changed road, the simulation showned only the speed of travel but showed blank for the speed limit.
Anyone has success updating speed limit?
BTW, you can move the application out of your internal memory to any place you want. In my case, I moved the application to \Microdrive\Program Files\Navigator. This would save you lots of device memory.
eagle 1 said:
The download is a taster version stripped from the diamond rom. It is currently or was posted in the kaiser software section. And in that section they allow the taster version, but discussions of downloading maps other than from TOM TOM are not allowed.
No TT6 maps do not work, the free one city maps work great. And some have purchased maps for the tomtom 720 from TomTom and they work on the kaiser. See that forum for more discussion too.
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The current latest maps (TT6.85 I believe it is) work fine with this....and they are the newest ones released earlier this month btw.....
Later...........
out of memory
anyone getting, 'out of memory' fault ?
I got that a couple of times. Not too often. I install mine on microdrive.
Anybody having a problem installing? I click on the cab and then it asks me where I want to install it, I choose microdrive and then it spins...and spins...and spins...but the progress bar never moves forward.
The device operates - I can use other programs etc. but the install won't progress and there's no way to cancel except soft resetting and then everything's fine.
I'm on AP 4.0 ROM
QUOTE=RottenRay;2361180]Anybody having a problem installing? I click on the cab and then it asks me where I want to install it, I choose microdrive and then it spins...and spins...and spins...but the progress bar never moves forward.
The device operates - I can use other programs etc. but the install won't progress and there's no way to cancel except soft resetting and then everything's fine.
I'm on AP 4.0 ROM[/QUOTE]
You must first install into device memory, then move it out later. The spinning seems to go on and on, but be very patient because it will eventually install. I made the same mistake as you in the begining thinking that nothing is happening and I kept soft reseting. Just let it spin for longer and take a long coffee break then come back.
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RottenRay said:
Anybody having a problem installing? I click on the cab and then it asks me where I want to install it, I choose microdrive and then it spins...and spins...and spins...but the progress bar never moves forward.
The device operates - I can use other programs etc. but the install won't progress and there's no way to cancel except soft resetting and then everything's fine.
I'm on AP 4.0 ROM
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You must first install into device memory, then move it out later. The spinning seems to go on and on, but be very patient because it will eventually install. I made the same mistake as you in the begining thinking that nothing is happening and I kept soft reseting. Just let it spin for longer and take a long coffee break then come back.
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Tried it and let it go for 2 1/2 hours and it's still running...2 1/2 hours is quite a loooooonnng coffee break
Should it be taking this long eaglesteve?
RottenRay said:
Tried it and let it go for 2 1/2 hours and it's still running...2 1/2 hours is quite a loooooonnng coffee break
Should it be taking this long eaglesteve?
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No, not THAT long. Mine took probably around 5 minutes for the progress bar to start moving. If it is 2 1/2 hours, then it's not running. Gee, your coffee break IS looooong.
Which ROM are you using? Ever tried it in a different ROM?
eaglesteve said:
No, not THAT long. Mine took probably around 5 minutes for the progress bar to start moving. If it is 2 1/2 hours, then it's not running. Gee, your coffee break IS looooong.
Which ROM are you using? Ever tried it in a different ROM?
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AP Platinum 4.0.
No I haven't tried any other ROMs yet - Got my 7501 back in May, so I haven't been messing about too much yet. Everything up to this point has just kinda worked...Recommendations?
RottenRay said:
AP Platinum 4.0.
No I haven't tried any other ROMs yet - Got my 7501 back in May, so I haven't been messing about too much yet. Everything up to this point has just kinda worked...Recommendations?
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Only by trying out will you find out, I think. Perhaps you could first back up your device and try out the latest irus Ultra Vanilla
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402654
The AP4 has the auto-rotate and TouchFlo, both of which consumes lots of resources. It may or may not be the cause of your inability to install. Others with AP4 might be able to share their experience here. However, there is no harm trying, is there?
eaglesteve said:
Only by trying out will you find out, I think. Perhaps you could first back up your device and try out the latest irus Ultra Vanilla
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402654
The AP4 has the auto-rotate and TouchFlo, both of which consumes lots of resources. It may or may not be the cause of your inability to install. Others with AP4 might be able to share their experience here. However, there is no harm trying, is there?
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eaglesteve: thanks a million! Tomtom installed in about 45 seconds on the new ROM!
RottenRay said:
eaglesteve: thanks a million! Tomtom installed in about 45 seconds on the new ROM!
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Congratulations. Hope you like the new ROM too.
merccccccccccccci
Just got an HD2, and after looking for a good task manager found this awesome app TaskFacade 4. Unfortunately the dev appears to have stopped development for it, and the HD2 is just too fast for the app. I was bored, so I decompiled it (it's .net so that's easy) and made some minor fixes.
Anyway, here's what I fixed:
4.02 fixed by aussiebum (thanks aussiebum! ):
1. Fixed names of shortcuts.
2. Changed default destination directory to install on a storage card when selected.
4.02 changelist:
1. Fixed a memory leak that occurred when an app was started and closed outside of Task Facade.
2. Cleaned up Layout config page.
3. Cleaned up config file loading to minimize potential errors due to old and incompatible config files.
4.01 changelist:
1. Increased maximum number of frames for zoom-unzoom animation.
2. Added an optional sleep between frames to smooth out animation and reduce amount of resources used by the app.
3. Fixed a minor race condition which sometimes caused an updated icon to flash through just reactivated app.
Attaching latest version. Works perfectly on my HD2. Check it out.
Attaching screenshots.
YouTube video demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFZHZb5cX9A
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... Thanks!
Possible to get some screens.
I usually feel that task managers drain the battery a bit. How about this one?
Added screenshots. I just got this phone, so it's hard for me to judge its impact on the battery life. I will do some experiments.
Excellent try!!!
I used to use TaskFacade on my HD, but I always got the problem of gwes.exe growing larger and larger when usin TF, so I had to unistall it.
Can you manage to correct this problem?
Mr. spacepants, why don't you fix even "klaxon" , as the source is free, because gives problems with HD2.. to dismiss/snooze an alarm needs to unlock the phone first
have original taskfacade 4 on my hd2 it works fine except for the reasons you gave for making the new one.
tried it last night and it came up with something like the settings wouldnt load. i sot reset hoping thats all it needed but it still didnt work.
then my phone started having the led blink non stop.
so i uninstalled and put the original back on.
soft reset many times and tried tweaks to get the light off and eventually it stopped.
overall the program didnt work and no idea if led was unrelated
jolas said:
Excellent try!!!
I used to use TaskFacade on my HD, but I always got the problem of gwes.exe growing larger and larger when usin TF, so I had to unistall it.
Can you manage to correct this problem?
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spacepants,
Your modification causes me the same problem.
Is it possible to make TaskFacade run as a service?
jolas said:
Excellent try!!!
I used to use TaskFacade on my HD, but I always got the problem of gwes.exe growing larger and larger when usin TF, so I had to unistall it.
Can you manage to correct this problem?
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I just tried it today. After about 20 hours of running, with many task switches gwes.exe grew from 4.73 MB to 4.85 MB. And I am not sure if this was because of the TaskFacade - I didn't see any connection between its growth and app usage.
I am pretty sure I didn't fix this. Did you use version 4 when you saw this behavior? I guess it could also be thanks to a fix made in WinMo 6.5.
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spacepants,
Your modification causes me the same problem.
Is it possible to make TaskFacade run as a service?
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Huh, strange. I am not seeing this. Do you have any repro steps? Also what are you running it on - which WM version?
lbhocky19 said:
have original taskfacade 4 on my hd2 it works fine except for the reasons you gave for making the new one.
tried it last night and it came up with something like the settings wouldnt load. i sot reset hoping thats all it needed but it still didnt work.
then my phone started having the led blink non stop.
so i uninstalled and put the original back on.
soft reset many times and tried tweaks to get the light off and eventually it stopped.
overall the program didnt work and no idea if led was unrelated
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Crap, sorry for all the trouble. I don't see how the app could have made the LED blink - it has no code that would call that API. Are you sure it's related to TaskFacade?
I am fixing the dependence of the app on the config file. It sounds like the installer didn't work for you for some reason, since it should have replaced everything.
Thanks for giving it a shot.
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Huh, strange. I am not seeing this. Do you have any repro steps? Also what are you running it on - which WM version?
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Now, I'm on WM6.5.5 (23542 build), with sense 2.5.20121225.0.
Let's say that gwes.exe is consuming 38MB before I use TaskFacade.
Right after I run TF, it raises to about 42,7MB and it keeps raising when I use new programs. There is a point above that, I loose HTC menus and standard WM menus are displaying instead.
After a few time gwes.exe stabilizes it size to about 44-45MB.
I don't know if there use some kind os issues when using TF in Touch HD, because it has the same effect with different ROMs I tested.
jolas said:
Now, I'm on WM6.5.5 (23542 build), with sense 2.5.20121225.0.
Let's say that gwes.exe is consuming 38MB before I use TaskFacade.
Right after I run TF, it raises to about 42,7MB and it keeps raising when I use new programs. There is a point above that, I loose HTC menus and standard WM menus are displaying instead.
After a few time gwes.exe stabilizes it size to about 44-45MB.
I don't know if there use some kind os issues when using TF in Touch HD, because it has the same effect with different ROMs I tested.
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I think I may have found the problem, but without a way to repro the bug I can't be sure I fixed it. Looks like gwes.exe can in some cases cache images that are in use, and if you do not explicitly dispose of them, the cache keeps growing.
I am not sure why I am not seeing this on my HD2. I have a Kaiser and a Touch Pro 2 lying around here - I will see if I can get a repro with them tomorrow, and test the potential fix.
Weird that your gwes.exe at the beginning is already 38 MB - I haven't seen mine go above 6 MB. It sounds like some other program on your phone may already have a problem.
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Weird that your gwes.exe at the beginning is already 38 MB - I haven't seen mine go above 6 MB. It sounds like some other program on your phone may already have a problem.
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It depends on which app you use to determine it: sktools separates process and heap (so the measure is lower) while, for example, memmaid keeps it together (and thus the measure is higher).
Anyway, to give an example, with Manila and iPhoneToday my gwes at startup is 13.6 mb with sktools and 42mb with memmaid
btw, i too (blackstone) have problems with TF as jolas: after a short while i lose manila menus AND TF, also if in foreground, is not visible (it's there, since if i blind click somewhere i go to a different task, but i cannot see anything)
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I think I may have found the problem, but without a way to repro the bug I can't be sure I fixed it. Looks like gwes.exe can in some cases cache images that are in use, and if you do not explicitly dispose of them, the cache keeps growing.
I am not sure why I am not seeing this on my HD2. I have a Kaiser and a Touch Pro 2 lying around here - I will see if I can get a repro with them tomorrow, and test the potential fix.
Weird that your gwes.exe at the beginning is already 38 MB - I haven't seen mine go above 6 MB. It sounds like some other program on your phone may already have a problem.
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Sorry, I was not very clear. When I said that my gwes.exe is 38MB, I mean at a random point (after a few hours of use), not after a soft reset.
As for the gwes.exe and caching images, I believe that you are right...
I hope you to find a solution, to make possible for me to use TF.
Thanks for your effords!!!
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It depends on which app you use to determine it: sktools separates process and heap (so the measure is lower) while, for example, memmaid keeps it together (and thus the measure is higher).
Anyway, to give an example, with Manila and iPhoneToday my gwes at startup is 13.6 mb with sktools and 42mb with memmaid
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You are right! For my measure I use memmaid, after a soft reset gwes.exe is about 21MB...
bbonzz said:
btw, i too (blackstone) have problems with TF as jolas: after a short while i lose manila menus AND TF, also if in foreground, is not visible (it's there, since if i blind click somewhere i go to a different task, but i cannot see anything)
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Yes, this is exactly the problem I have, too.
Are there other HD users who face the same problem with TF, or we are the only 'lucky'?
yeah i have no idea how it would have done anything to the led but it definetly happened right after installing ?
il give the next cab a shot though and see if it installs properly
jolas said:
You are right! For my measure I use memmaid, after a soft reset gwes.exe is about 21MB...
Yes, this is exactly the problem I have, too.
Are there other HD users who face the same problem with TF, or we are the only 'lucky'?
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Strange, I still can't repro this. Tried it on a couple of Energy ROMs on my Touch Pro 2 (one based on 21898, the other on 23554) - nothing. At best I get a 50k growth in gwes.exe every time a program starts and closes. I am using Task Manager 3.1 for measurements BTW, but memmaid concurs.
OK, if this doesn't repro on my Kaiser I am going to write a quick test program and try running through the normal operations of the app several thousand times to see if that has any effect.
Could you confirm that the steps you are using to get into this state? Are they the following?
1. Start an app.
2. Minimize the app.
3. Open TaskFacade.
4. Switch to the app.
5. Close the app from TaskFacade.
6. Go to step 1.
Thanks again for trying this out, BTW.
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Strange, I still can't repro this. Tried it on a couple of Energy ROMs on my Touch Pro 2 (one based on 21898, the other on 23554) - nothing. At best I get a 50k growth in gwes.exe every time a program starts and closes. I am using Task Manager 3.1 for measurements BTW, but memmaid concurs.
OK, if this doesn't repro on my Kaiser I am going to write a quick test program and try running through the normal operations of the app several thousand times to see if that has any effect.
Could you confirm that the steps you are using to get into this state? Are they the following?
1. Start an app.
2. Minimize the app.
3. Open TaskFacade.
4. Switch to the app.
5. Close the app from TaskFacade.
6. Go to step 1.
Thanks again for trying this out, BTW.
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I want to thank you for keep searching about the problem I face.
The steps I usually do are:
1. Start an app.
2. Minimize the app.
3. Open TaskFacade (I have assign it to a hardware key via AEButton Plus)
4. Switch to the app.
5. Close the app.
6. Go to step 1.
I am grateful for your work!
If you want, I could try your test versions to resolve the problem I face.
Thank you!
What button are you assigning taskfacade to and what app are you using to do it? I tried aebuttons and it fails to map the volume up and down on the T-Mobile US version of HD2...not sure about other keys.
i have used all coocked roms for days and every rom has a huge usage of ram
i think it drains so much ram because of some tosh apps
so i am asking ....would the ram usage be lower if we remove any tosh app
powermanagement for example runs as i think all the time
srry for my bad english
Hamido123 said:
i have used all coocked roms for days and every rom has a huge usage of ram
i think it drains so much ram because of some tosh apps
so i am asking ....would the ram usage be lower if we remove any tosh app
powermanagement for example runs as i think all the time
srry for my bad english
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Yes, there is something wrong with memory usage for sure. However, ram usage and rom usage are not linked, rom is storage, ram is for running the rom and other programs, apps and software, when the rom loads, it only loads system files and startup files necessary, so sure, the key lock, power management, and so on is loaded, but nobody has found better tools for the job yet.
Nobody will argue that ram usage on the Tosh is high, but nobody has found a total solution to it yet.
At least, not that i know of
I disabled the start menu using a cab on this forum and use SPB Mobile Shell instead, with Quickmenu as a fallback in case SPB crashes (which rarely happens with the latest version).
Just by disabling the start menu, I gain about 20-25mb of RAM, no joke!
Search the forum for "Arto Disable Start Menu" and you should find it. Arto supplies a few different cabs, depending on what setup you want. I used the cab with quickmenu, but I believe there is one that enables the manila start menu instead.
I am using ffboy's wm6.5 clean ROM, and I run SPB with a custom skin, which usually leaves very little Ram to run apps that need a lot of memory like Opera Mobile 10.
Previously, with the same setup, I used to get around 55mb free on boot, if I was lucky, and that would shrink to around 25mb eventually.
Now I get up to 80mb on boot, even with stuff loading at startup like Swype and SPB Mobile Shell. Without anything running I can get up to 110mb at startup!
Now I can have a nice looking interface without worrying about memory running out. It's like having a new phone!
If you decide to do the same, just make sure you read the advice carefully otherwise you might end up not being able to get at your programs.
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I found the page where I saw the cabs. They are in the links near the bottom of the first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642654
columbo said:
I disabled the start menu using a cab on this forum and use SPB Mobile Shell instead, with Quickmenu as a fallback in case SPB crashes (which rarely happens with the latest version).
Just by disabling the start menu, I gain about 20-25mb of RAM, no joke!
Search the forum for "Arto Disable Start Menu" and you should find it. Arto supplies a few different cabs, depending on what setup you want. I used the cab with quickmenu, but I believe there is one that enables the manila start menu instead.
I am using ffboy's wm6.5 clean ROM, and I run SPB with a custom skin, which usually leaves very little Ram to run apps that need a lot of memory like Opera Mobile 10.
Previously, with the same setup, I used to get around 55mb free on boot, if I was lucky, and that would shrink to around 25mb eventually.
Now I get up to 80mb on boot, even with stuff loading at startup like Swype and SPB Mobile Shell. Without anything running I can get up to 110mb at startup!
Now I can have a nice looking interface without worrying about memory running out. It's like having a new phone!
If you decide to do the same, just make sure you read the advice carefully otherwise you might end up not being able to get at your programs.
EDIT:
I found the page where I saw the cabs. They are in the links near the bottom of the first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642654
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That works quite well, i haven't decided whether i like quickmenu, htc menu or what yet, but it does save a lot of ram
I believe its also possible to remove the HTC dialer, that would save another 5-10MB ram
hi
i agree.
its work.but not perfectly on htc sense.
is good for spb shel.
Quickmenu, which looks quite good, is a nightmare in that post, because its in chinese, forced me to start again... how to get it in english?
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Quickmenu, which looks quite good, is a nightmare in that post, because its in chinese, forced me to start again... how to get it in english?
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for you, in english!
I think I just installed an english version on top of the other one and it worked fine. I can't remember exactly what I did, so please forgive me if it doesn't work straight away.
Let me know if installing the english version doesn't solve it, and I'll try to work out the exact process.
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for you, in english!
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Thanks for that
columbo said:
I think I just installed an english version on top of the other one and it worked fine. I can't remember exactly what I did, so please forgive me if it doesn't work straight away.
Let me know if installing the english version doesn't solve it, and I'll try to work out the exact process.
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I tried it for a while, sadly i find the text size on the menu way to small for me, so i had to go back to the Uzeb Start Menu which leaves me with 71Mb free ram on boot, its a shame there are not more alternatives
Another way you can save some ram is to use S2U2 slide to unlock instead of using the built in windows screen lock, even though its small savings, S2U2 defiantely uses less ram, so you can save maybe 4MB
s2u2 eat's more ram than the installed screen lock....
most of the replies are offtopic
what i was asking for was a rom without toshiba apps because i was thinking that the ram usage is so hight because toshiba apps need much ram...the services and dll are not as optimized as htc ones....
couldn we replace most of the toshiba apps?
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most of the replies are offtopic
what i was asking for was a rom without toshiba apps because i was thinking that the ram usage is so hight because toshiba apps need much ram...the services and dll are not as optimized as htc ones....
couldn we replace most of the toshiba apps?
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Off topic??
You were looking to save RAM usage, yes? Personally, I think 20+mb is a big saving and a lot for a start menu to be using, especially given the fact that SPB MS3.5 uses less than that for the entire program. I was sharing something that had helped me make my phone run very well and was hoping for a bit more gratitude.
Oh well, I guess you can't please everybody...
Is there any specific reason that causes you to suspect a problem with the Toshiba apps in particular, and which ones do you have concerns about?
columbo said:
I disabled the start menu using a cab on this forum and use SPB Mobile Shell instead, with Quickmenu as a fallback in case SPB crashes (which rarely happens with the latest version).
Just by disabling the start menu, I gain about 20-25mb of RAM, no joke!
EDIT:
I found the page where I saw the cabs. They are in the links near the bottom of the first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642654
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Thank you very much fr the trick!. I have official WM 6.5 and I've completely removed Start: 12,9 more free program ram!!!! Thnks again
Can this start menu disable thing work in wm6.1? Hehe we would have 120mb free boot ram
Jonous said:
Can this start menu disable thing work in wm6.1? Hehe we would have 120mb free boot ram
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Try it!
Full backup before, of course..... I did it..... (who knows?)
Pere said:
Try it!
Full backup before, of course..... I did it..... (who knows?)
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I can't i'm on 6.5.5 again hehe back n forth back n forth...
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I can't i'm on 6.5.5 again hehe back n forth back n forth...
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nah it does not
I tried it, also contacted the guy making it but till now nothing
Pere said:
Thank you very much fr the trick!. I have official WM 6.5 and I've completely removed Start: 12,9 more free program ram!!!! Thnks again
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The only (up to now) little problem is that the "Start" option remains still there and if you select it by mistake. the TG01 frizzes some seconds.... nothing serious, but it would be great fixing it
Pere said:
The only (up to now) little problem is that the "Start" option remains still there and if you select it by mistake. the TG01 frizzes some seconds.... nothing serious, but it would be great fixing it
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We can't fix it, sorry, because I don't know how to redirect the link to another target
hallo Arto,
i have this Youtube OEM, you can try it