Just my feeling...
Since I like Android more than WM now, so 24h are using Android.
I set my HD2 only on 2g in Android/WM(same usage), am I get wrong feeling the battery drop faster then WM?
Or Android run on SD so more power is used? Low power on WM run on nand ?
Any user get same feeling?
If real makes me waiting for nand much much...
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On standby, we can assume we've all (except battery drain problems) reached WM6-level
When actually using the phone, another story.
- (I) have a very huge drain when using GGNav, Internet or when playing. HOWEVER, it may be...me, actually USING my phone a lot more since i'm not on WinMo anymore
naaah. ive always used win mobile a lot and never had problems with battery unlike android. Something is not perfect with it. when u turn on wifi or 3g the battery runs out so fast that i feel 1-2h using it would be enough to drain all the battery. In windows mobile i can use it for 2 days running the same types of application.
too bad i was going to stick with android till i grab one wp7 device.
Its a port on the hd2... you can't expect a port of android to run as well as a native device that has proper drivers. Android ports always tend to drain batteries quickly. They have done a really remarkable job getting android running as well as it does on the hd2... but its always going to be a hacked on port of android.
From what I can tell by watching the devs talk, the nand version seems just as power hungry as the Haret version. The SD card really doesn't use that much power. Everything gets booted into ram anyways, so the SD only gets accessed intermittently. Some SD cards seem to use more power than others.... but overall, I don't think the SD card makes a noticeable difference in power consumption.
We just need to hope for more improvements to be made in the kernel regarding power management... but you can't expect a port to run as well as a native phone... you will be disappointed.
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This topic gets created like every week.
There's really no advantage at all...the devs are just working on the NAND version for android just for fun.
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Its a port on the hd2... you can't expect a port of android to run as well as a native device that has proper drivers. Android ports always tend to drain batteries quickly. They have done a really remarkable job getting android running as well as it does on the hd2... but its always going to be a hacked on port of android.
From what I can tell by watching the devs talk, the nand version seems just as power hungry as the Haret version. The SD card really doesn't use that much power. Everything gets booted into ram anyways, so the SD only gets accessed intermittently. Some SD cards seem to use more power than others.... but overall, I don't think the SD card makes a noticeable difference in power consumption.
We just need to hope for more improvements to be made in the kernel regarding power management... but you can't expect a port to run as well as a native phone... you will be disappointed.
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stop spewing more BS than what we already have. I think you need to learn how a RAM operates when you say "everything gets booted into ram."
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This topic gets created like every week.
There's really no advantage at all...the devs are just working on the NAND version for android just for fun.
stop spewing more BS than what we already have. I think you need to learn how a RAM operates when you say "everything gets booted into ram."
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Most people in the vouge forums say they have much improved battery on nand than from sd. However there are some that have noticed very little difference.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645308
That means driver not nand...
Hope xda can get better driver for more using time in future.
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This topic gets created like every week.
There's really no advantage at all...the devs are just working on the NAND version for android just for fun.
stop spewing more BS than what we already have. I think you need to learn how a RAM operates when you say "everything gets booted into ram."
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What BS? Why don't you correct it if there's something incorrect about what I said instead of just saying its BS. If I'm not understanding it correctly or not explaining it correctly, I would like to know.
I didn't use the right wording when I said everything gets booted into ram... I meant it is loaded onto ram. Everything runs from ram, whether its stored on SD or nand.
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What BS? Why don't you correct it if there's something incorrect about what I said instead of just saying its BS. If I'm not understanding it correctly or not explaining it correctly, I would like to know.
I didn't use the right wording when I said everything gets booted into ram... I meant it is loaded onto ram. Everything runs from ram, whether its stored on SD or nand.
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Where do you get your facts about SD cards dont consume that much power?
When you say "everything gets booted to ram," do you really know what you're referring to?
And how are the SD card being accessed? and if it happens only intermittently, why would the Devs care so much about NAND?
SD cards don't make noticeable differences in power consumption? Better tell the devs to stop wasting their time with NAND development and start working on better drivers, then.
Quick summary: don't be confused with an OS and its bootloader (which is the main part of the bolded section). You've been here for over 3yrs so you should know the difference. In case you haven't, do a quick search around the boards. Only a bootloader gets loaded onto the RAM, the rest (i'll let you figure out what that refers to) runs on the SD card, which is why NAND development is such a BIG DEAL.
Nothing runs from SD or nand... they are persistent storage and are too slow too run anything from. Everything runs from ram. The SD or nand are accessed when data needs to be read or written from them. The os is running from ram... when you open a new app, the necessary data is read from the SD or nand and moved to ram to run. That's why opened programs take up ram and people kill tasks to free up ram. The SD card is not constantly being used when android is running. If it was, then all this power you say that the SD card is eating up would still be sucking all that power while your phone is sleeping, as android is still running.
The SD card does use some power when it's accessed a lot... but it doesn't use that much power. I really don't think nand is going to affect the battery life as much as people think.
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I'm considering rooting my Vibrant & going with the one click lag fix. Has anyone noticed a decrease in their battery life after doing this? I'm not sure exactly what this does to the phone. Does it overclock the processor?
If One Click Lag Fix is not running, I honestly don't think you will see a decrease in battery life if you did this particular lag fix. I never had any decrease while using it for a little over a month.
If it is running as it does on boot, I am unsure and cannot give you an answer if it decreases battery life while running in the background. I think it only checks to make sure everything is okay each time the device is booted. You may be able to find more at the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760571
This lag fix just takes your /data? if I recall correctly at this moment and changes it over to the EXT2 filesystem.
As far as overclocking the processor, no it does not overclock it. SetCPU and whatever other tools out there, or custom roms, would do this however for you if you wanted to do that.
I believe the one click lag fix doesnt change it totally over to ext2. It creates a sizable ext2 partition and runs stuff from there. I've heard the problem with this method is if you are using it long term for months and months it could corrupt some data.
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I'm considering rooting my Vibrant & going with the one click lag fix. Has anyone noticed a decrease in their battery life after doing this? I'm not sure exactly what this does to the phone. Does it overclock the processor?
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Does posting in the wrong section get you want you want? In this case yes, it does. Just be sure to post in the correct place from now on.
It shouldn't do much if anything to battery life. It creates a Ext2 file system partition for apps on your internal SD card. Essentially giving apps better read/write speed over Samsung's RFS file system.
ok WOW. I got the update tonight and was using launcher pro plus and the phone was laggier than before. I switched back to the TW launcher and rebooted my Vibrant. Now, it is much faster than before. The market downloads page loads instantly now and apps load quicker.
3G speed is also improved. I'm now getting over 2.5 down and .5 up. This along with working GPS is a massive update. Now, I can't wait for froyo, but i'm not so anxious.
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OK, we are supposed to have like a huge amount of memory for the 3D but when I check my task manager I have like about 80 to 100 free. Is that normal? I do have a task manager, memory optimization, and this is still going on.
Thoughts?
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OK, we are supposed to have like a huge amount of memory for the 3D but when I check my task manager I have like about 80 to 100 free. Is that normal? I do have a task manager, memory optimization, and this is still going on.
Thoughts?
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Only use the task manager that is pre installed on the phone. Also you have 1gb to play with why not use it
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Only use the task manager that is pre installed on the phone. Also you have 1gb to play with why not use it
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Why only the one with the phone? That doesn't give you much flexibility. It simply allows you to kill running applications.. And you have to do it manually.
Any other thoughts to get my memory up? It's just weird that i have 1gb oh memory, the same amount of software as i did my evo4g and I still only have the same amount of memory free as i did the evo4g.
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Why only the one with the phone? That doesn't give you much flexibility. It simply allows you to kill running applications.. And you have to do it manually.
Any other thoughts to get my memory up? It's just weird that i have 1gb oh memory, the same amount of software as i did my evo4g and I still only have the same amount of memory free as i did the evo4g.
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Because other task managers and such mess with the system. the stock one works great and kills things when it needs to. nothing wrong with all your apps running, if you need more memory it will kill whatever is open that you are using the least. makes your phone faster because you dont have to re load everything all the time
Android manages memory on its own and is a lot different than say how Windows handles it. I'll try to explain this, but my explanation will probably be a little simplified.
First, Sense 3.0 uses more memory to begin with and secondly there was reports of the Evo 3D reporting used/available memory slightly incorrect but I don't remember if that was confirmed or how far off it was.
As for Android, to keep the phone optimized for performance and battery, it keeps apps stored in memory - seemingly as much as it can to an extent. The apps don't run, they're just preloaded. This also allows those apps to do their thing if needed (update information every so often for example).
Since they're not exactly running and just sitting in memory, they have minimal drain on the battery. If you have a more detailed task manager, you'll see CPU usage is sitting around 0% for everything that's open.
While Android manages its own memory, when one app closes, it most likely will open another to keep loaded. The problem with using task managers to keep your memory free is that most of the time you're fighting the system. Close one app, another or the same one loads again. It drains more battery opening/closing constantly than to just leave it sit.
I think the only reason a task manager should be used ever is to close a rogue app - one that can't/won't close and is just working the CPU.
I think the suggestion to just use the stock one is so you don't set anything up that would fight the system or close something the core system needs running.
Hell, I have around 100MB showing free and the phone still flies. Android doesn't need to keep so much memory free like Windows does.
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Why only the one with the phone? That doesn't give you much flexibility. It simply allows you to kill running applications.. And you have to do it manually.
Any other thoughts to get my memory up? It's just weird that i have 1gb oh memory, the same amount of software as i did my evo4g and I still only have the same amount of memory free as i did the evo4g.
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gk1984 summed it up pretty well for you. Here is an article if you have interest in reading a little. http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Just stick with the built in task killer, and let android manage it's memory. As has been noted, the reason that you have such a huge amount of your memory being used up is simple: Sense 3.0 uses a ton of resources, period. When we get an AOSP rom on this thing, install that. I guarantee we will have 700mb or more free memory. Sense is nice, but a resource hog none the less.
I have read that the more memory you are using the better w android. Got that....Now my question is. I am running the v6 supercharger script on aggressive while using eclipse 1.0 for. 2.3.4.. When I run the script it seems my memory goes way lower than it would without. For instance w/o running my memory is around 150 to 180. While running script its down to 80 and below, which right now is fine. My music skipping is 99% gone. (Like one quick skip during intensive applications, once at startup than butter smeared on silk). Seriously now after my tangent, my question is ; I thought the minfrees in the script kept memory available to the system, is that what it does? Or does it load the memory up so starting applications don't take up CPU speed? If the latter is the case doesnt that go against what the os is supposed to do?I'm from blackberry and loving this phone especially with nitros newest and best!!! Just want some clarifications for myself and others.
This forum + nitros work = awesome. I can't believe how fast my phone is right now compared to when I got it a month ago!!!
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I have read that the more memory you are using the better w android. Got that....Now my question is. I am running the v6 supercharger script on aggressive while using eclipse 1.0 for. 2.3.4.. When I run the script it seems my memory goes way lower than it would without. For instance w/o running my memory is around 150 to 180. While running script its down to 80 and below, which right now is fine. My music skipping is 99% gone. (Like one quick skip during intensive applications, once at startup than butter smeared on silk). Seriously now after my tangent, my question is ; I thought the minfrees in the script kept memory available to the system, is that what it does? Or does it load the memory up so starting applications don't take up CPU speed? If the latter is the case doesnt that go against what the os is supposed to do?I'm from blackberry and loving this phone especially with nitros newest and best!!! Just want some clarifications for myself and others.
This forum + nitros work = awesome. I can't believe how fast my phone is right now compared to when I got it a month ago!!!
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Memory on android (linux) doesn't work like you guys think it does. Links caches processes in memory for faster startup times later. If you're mad at stuff running in memory all the time, like a lot of noobs on here, go use another platform this is how android and Linux as a whole runs to speed things up for you on the front end.
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ilovesoad said:
Memory on android (linux) doesn't work like you guys think it does. Links caches processes in memory for faster startup times later. If you're mad at stuff running in memory all the time, like a lot of noobs on here, go use another platform this is how android and Linux as a whole runs to speed things up for you on the front end.
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Yea I am a noob... where in my question did I say I wanted more memory? Are you a noob at reading? I asked if the script I am using goes against the principle of using memory or if it is in fact filling it. Forgive me if I was unclear, but a Smiley in your post doesn't make up for a snide reply. I've only been using android for over a month and i have learned quite a bit already. Just wanted a little clarification/
ilovesoad said:
Memory on android (linux) doesn't work like you guys think it does. Links caches processes in memory for faster startup times later. If you're mad at stuff running in memory all the time, like a lot of noobs on here, go use another platform this is how android and Linux as a whole runs to speed things up for you on the front end.
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I have always said that im not looking so much for a higher number where I see free ram. I just didn't want my ram being used AT ALL by apps/processes that I don't touch AT ALL. Thus allowing me to have more "free ram" for the things I DO USE which of course makes my phone "run faster/smoother" as my system doesn't have ti drop an app I am not using to allow enough ram to go to the one I am opening.
Just felt.like putting my 2cents sorry.
And I only use v6 supercharger for oom grouping fix as that's what I found benefits the.phones operations. Its not the minfree adjustments that help so much as the groupings fix that comes along with it. At least that's what I've found with my experience /experiments
try it. U SHOULD notice same silky buttery results
Everyone seems to find different results tho but it's worth a try. I feel like gingerbread minfrees are fine where they are. Oom grouping fix is what's helping/needed for smoother operations
It just gets old with people complaining about their lack of memory. Supercharger and speedy etc work by other ways. The free memory is (almost) inconsequential.
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It just gets old with people complaining about their lack of memory. Supercharger and speedy etc work by other ways. The free memory is (almost) inconsequential.
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I can understand what your saying. I was by no means complaining. I am loving how my phone is running. Just wanted some information on what these scripts are doing. From what I understand they free memory up, which goes against what I read is opposite of how the phone should work. Either way phone runs like sh*t thru a goose!!
You can't blame people for complaining about the memory problems. Between the 384 MB RAM and Motorola's inability to program, this phone multitasks worse than an iPhone on iOS 1.
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This thread needs closed. Not b/c of the OP but b/c of the back handed comments to the OP..if he/she wants to spend time finding the best way to have more free RAM then he should be allowed to inquire, after searching first, w/out people back handing him, but this wouldn't be XDA if you folks let this go.
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I have read that the more memory you are using the better w android. Got that....Now my question is. I am running the v6 supercharger script on aggressive while using eclipse 1.0 for. 2.3.4.. When I run the script it seems my memory goes way lower than it would without. For instance w/o running my memory is around 150 to 180. While running script its down to 80 and below, which right now is fine. My music skipping is 99% gone. (Like one quick skip during intensive applications, once at startup than butter smeared on silk). Seriously now after my tangent, my question is ; I thought the minfrees in the script kept memory available to the system, is that what it does? Or does it load the memory up so starting applications don't take up CPU speed? If the latter is the case doesnt that go against what the os is supposed to do?I'm from blackberry and loving this phone especially with nitros newest and best!!! Just want some clarifications for myself and others.
This forum + nitros work = awesome. I can't believe how fast my phone is right now compared to when I got it a month ago!!!
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Basically what these scripts do is change the limit for when Android "needs" to kill a running process. Different types of processes are assigned an OOM or Out Of Memory group. when free memory reaches your limit you choose in these scripts Android starts killing off apps with the least amount of "value" so if say you've picked a setting in your script that says you want 80mb free, as long as you have 80mb or more free it leaves the idle processes alone, the second it dips below 80 Android starts killing idle processes to free up memory and continuing on killing processes until it's back to the preprogrammed "safe levels".
I probably got something wrong there or left something out/mixed something up, I haven't slept in 2 days but, that's the jist of it.
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Basically what these scripts do is change the limit for when Android "needs" to kill a running process. Different types of processes are assigned an OOM or Out Of Memory group. when free memory reaches your limit you choose in these scripts Android starts killing off apps with the least amount of "value" so if say you've picked a setting in your script that says you want 80mb free, as long as you have 80mb or more free it leaves the idle processes alone, the second it dips below 80 Android starts killing idle processes to free up memory and continuing on killing processes until it's back to the preprogrammed "safe levels".
I probably got something wrong there or left something out/mixed something up, I haven't slept in 2 days but, that's the jist of it.
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Thanks man... I appreciate the info. I really don't worry about free memory at all. That was not my intention in this thread. I am new to android and when I pick something up I wanna learn as much as I can about it. Asking questions is usually the best way to find answers haha.
To the poster that asked for this thread to be closed, I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't worry about petty things posted on the internet. I told him what I thought and that's that...
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Thanks man... I appreciate the info. I really don't worry about free memory at all. That was not my intention in this thread. I am new to android and when I pick something up I wanna learn as much as I can about it. Asking questions is usually the best way to find answers haha.
To the poster that asked for this thread to be closed, I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't worry about petty things posted on the internet. I told him what I thought and that's that...
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You're welcome, I'm just like you, I like to know how stuff works. You've probably heard it before but, a well phrased google search really is your best friend. You might have to skim over a dozen pages before you really find what you want to know but have the battle is knowing some key terms. Like "minfrees" "OOM groupings" etc. Also I believe zeppelinrocks OP on supercharger script has a lot of the info you're looking for. Just keep reading, keep google searching new terms you learn, keep asking questions, and most importantly don't get discouraged.
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You're welcome, I'm just like you, I like to know how stuff works. You've probably heard it before but, a well phrased google search really is your best friend. You might have to skim over a dozen pages before you really find what you want to know but have the battle is knowing some key terms. Like "minfrees" "OOM groupings" etc. Also I believe zeppelinrocks OP on supercharger script has a lot of the info you're looking for. Just keep reading, keep google searching new terms you learn, keep asking questions, and most importantly don't get discouraged.
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+1 Zepps supercharger thread is GREAT and had so much info! I learned a lot reading some of that thread.
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See, it's the attitude exhibited by people like ilovesoad that burns my ass.
Linux "gurus" that preach that memory must be as full as possible and it won't effect performance.
That's Bull****.
Guess what?
Linux is for PCs. So why the hell should Android be configured like it's a PC?
Yeah great, background apps load quicker when ram is full. Big deal.
What good is that when the dialer lags like hell? It's a phone ffs.
I don't need a ram filled, laggy phone that does **** that I don't care about in the background.
Fact is, when memory is too full, it bogs down to the point that you want to pull your hair out.
On the flipside, any given device won't get any performance increase over a certain level of free RAM.
So I try and find settings that match up to a devices "lag level" - the point at which free RAM gets low enough to slow the system down.
The faster the phone, the more free ram it needs free so that the cpu doesn't get bottlenecked by too little ram.
Anything above that is pointless.
So on my Milestone, which doesn't have much ram anyway, the lag level is about 25 - 30 mb - so that's what I set slot 3 at for 256 mb devices.
For 512mb devices I got ALOT of input in order to determine that a 512mb device will start to lag anywhere between 50 -80 mb or so... so that's why I have slot 3 in that ballpark for my 512mb device settings.
So that's what it does - finds the balance between performance and multitasking - while getting rid of the damn laggy launcher once and for all.
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See, it's the attitude exhibited by people like ilovesoad that burns my ass.
Linux "gurus" that preach that memory must be as full as possible and it won't effect performance.
That's Bull****.
Guess what?
Linux is for PCs. So why the hell should Android be configured like it's a PC?
Yeah great, background apps load quicker when ram is full. Big deal.
What good is that when the dialer lags like hell? It's a phone ffs.
I don't need a ram filled, laggy phone that does **** that I don't care about in the background.
Fact is, when memory is too full, it bogs down to the point that you want to pull your hair out.
On the flipside, any given device won't get any performance increase over a certain level of free RAM.
So I try and find settings that match up to a devices "lag level" - the point at which free RAM gets low enough to slow the system down.
The faster the phone, the more free ram it needs free so that the cpu doesn't get bottlenecked by too little ram.
Anything above that is pointless.
So on my Milestone, which doesn't have much ram anyway, the lag level is about 25 - 30 mb - so that's what I set slot 3 at for 256 mb devices.
For 512mb devices I got ALOT of input in order to determine that a 512mb device will start to lag anywhere between 50 -80 mb or so... so that's why I have slot 3 in that ballpark for my 512mb device settings.
So that's what it does - finds the balance between performance and multitasking - while getting rid of the damn laggy launcher once and for all.
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Thanks a lot for responding, you answered my question and put the smack down too lol. Script is running fine and phone is fast fast fast. I even use a lwp now with no lag!!!!
heh.. yeah.. it was late and I was tired and gumpy but the rant felt great lol
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heh.. yeah.. it was late and I was tired and gumpy but the rant felt great lol
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Tired/buzzing/don't care rants feel the best...I did one of the don't care rants on the moto soak test forum. Felt damn good to get it out there
Just what it says. I've had my Galaxy S3 for 4 days and I've noticed that I only ever have about 100mbs (out of 800) free on my phone at any one time.
On my SGS2 I have over 300mb even with many games/apps running.
Sure my SGS3 is far faster than my SGS2 but when it comes to Web surfing and watching flash videos on pages, as well as just browsing around the home screen sometimes the phone gets so low on memory that it just starts to randomly kill apps that I have open. Apps like: Avast (which I don't use for the Anti-virus but for the extensive Anti-theft protection), Viber - which I use for making and receiving VoIP calls and Tasker. Which I use for automating things.
Surely a phone like this needs RAM I'm sure. But leaving me with just 100mbs spare for everything else can't be right can it?
I don't have many things running. Just the normal stuff. The main point is that my SGS2 could easily handle all this.
Anyone else having the same problem? Is there anything I can do? I use the Opera Mobile (not lite) browser.
I'd be happy to provide more information if needed. I'm pretty gutted over this. Battery life is lovely but the phone's performance grinds to a total halt when it clears its RAM... Which I never did manually on my SGS2 because it drains battery when it caches everything instantly again anyway.
Thanks so much in advance.
P.S. I can't find a 'task manager' app anywhere. I know if hold down the home button that I can access the task manager by pressing 'task manager' but that doesn't show me anything useful like what the SGS2 does. I can't exit apps or see how much RAM and CPU they are using or anything. Does the SGS3 really not have this option??
Touchwiz for s3 is heavy! Normally you shouldn't worry about ram on Android but touchwiz is really little much... I would recommend cm9 maybe.. Lightweight and fast
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Free ram is wasted ram, that is all
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Hey thanks a lot for your reply!
I will never be flashing a custom Rom over this phone. I like it the way that it is. I'm using Nova Launcher not TwLauncher.
Surely touchwiz can't be that big of a RAM hog. I have 4.0.3 on my SGS2 how can 4.0.4 be so much worse?
Edit: Obviously free RAM is wasted RAM but did you even read my post at all??? My phone keeps running out of RAM and killing apps, then reloading them instantly which slows down my phone to a halt and excessively drains my battery...
Ram handling is clearly flawed in SGS 3, lets hope the is no HW bug.
Hopefully future updates will fix the leaking memory.
Does people think that android is windows, or why someone allways complain about low ram? People, please learn how android ram management really works.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813018&highlight=memory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812620&highlight=memory
Search a bit more next time. Read these threads and you will know why it is silly to want more free RAM.
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Hey thanks a lot for your reply!
I will never be flashing a custom Rom over this phone. I like it the way that it is. I'm using Nova Launcher not TwLauncher.
Surely touchwiz can't be that big of a RAM hog. I have 4.0.3 on my SGS2 how can 4.0.4 be so much worse?
Edit: Obviously free RAM is wasted RAM but did you even read my post at all??? My phone keeps running out of RAM and killing apps, then reloading them instantly which slows down my phone to a halt and excessively drains my battery...
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What are you even doing here? I'm running custom rom and the killing of apps is gone.
To those people spamming about "free ram is wasted ram" that is true BUT samsung set their priorities wrong to start killing apps you use, since touchwiz is pretty big it kills the apps you need instead. On cm9 the ram can be used for cache for stuff you actually need and use. This dude having issues with multitasking due to bad priorities wich is solved by mods / custom roms.. If you not are willing to try that I have no clue why you ask in xda for help.
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leijonasisu said:
Just what it says. I've had my Galaxy S3 for 4 days and I've noticed that I only ever have about 100mbs (out of 800) free on my phone at any one time.
On my SGS2 I have over 300mb even with many games/apps running.
Sure my SGS3 is far faster than my SGS2 but when it comes to Web surfing and watching flash videos on pages, as well as just browsing around the home screen sometimes the phone gets so low on memory that it just starts to randomly kill apps that I have open. Apps like: Avast (which I don't use for the Anti-virus but for the extensive Anti-theft protection), Viber - which I use for making and receiving VoIP calls and Tasker. Which I use for automating things.
Surely a phone like this needs RAM I'm sure. But leaving me with just 100mbs spare for everything else can't be right can it?
I don't have many things running. Just the normal stuff. The main point is that my SGS2 could easily handle all this.
Anyone else having the same problem? Is there anything I can do? I use the Opera Mobile (not lite) browser.
I'd be happy to provide more information if needed. I'm pretty gutted over this. Battery life is lovely but the phone's performance grinds to a total halt when it clears its RAM... Which I never did manually on my SGS2 because it drains battery when it caches everything instantly again anyway.
Thanks so much in advance.
P.S. I can't find a 'task manager' app anywhere. I know if hold down the home button that I can access the task manager by pressing 'task manager' but that doesn't show me anything useful like what the SGS2 does. I can't exit apps or see how much RAM and CPU they are using or anything. Does the SGS3 really not have this option??
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Maybe free ram in android is wasted ram, but only if the ram is used for USEFUL apps. Samsung have made a lot of stupid apps run in the background at all time, like softwareupdate, Chaton, some clud service process, AllShare Service, and a lot more (google maps also run at any given time, eating 30 mb of ram). All of this apps run in the background and take up a lot of ram, even tho I NEVER use this apps. All of these running apps, prevent the apps that I USE from being kept in the ram, and thus leads to a longer load time (f.x. Handcent SMS take a sec or 2 to load if it is not already loaded in the ram). What I did was to download Autostarts from the market and prevent these apps from starting up by themself, and thus I made room for the apps I use to be kept in the ram. However, be carefull, disabling apps from starting up (especially system apps), can cause problems!
Lennyuk said:
Free ram is wasted ram, that is all
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If someone has 300MB free ram and is asking about freeing up more ram this makes sense.
If free ram is always <100mb then there's a memory management problem.
OP try disabling unused apps in the app manager, streamline startup apps and use gemini to turn off auto launching of unneeded apps.
On stock I used to have about 150-200MB free ram at boot. With CM9 and 10 i get 300-400MB free RAM at boot.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Simple question for Google
leijonasisu said:
Hey thanks a lot for your reply!
I will never be flashing a custom Rom over this phone. I like it the way that it is. I'm using Nova Launcher not TwLauncher.
Surely touchwiz can't be that big of a RAM hog. I have 4.0.3 on my SGS2 how can 4.0.4 be so much worse?
Edit: Obviously free RAM is wasted RAM but did you even read my post at all??? My phone keeps running out of RAM and killing apps, then reloading them instantly which slows down my phone to a halt and excessively drains my battery...
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Just freeze all of the bloatware. Install a good custom kernel (eg Siyah) and move on! No one to blame but yourself for not doing that or wanting to.
Android is doing its job just fine with memory. It's just bogged down by Samsung and vendor crapware.
Be lucky you ain't in the US, DHS big brother software becoming mandatory soon lol
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tsangwc said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813018&highlight=memory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812620&highlight=memory
Search a bit more next time. Read these threads and you will know why it is silly to want more free RAM.
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mant thanks for your post, wasn't awared about this 2 topics... :good:
dfMails said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Simple question for Google
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This has nothing to do with the issues op is facing, stop spamming all these in threads without reading the op at least.. I'm not talking to you directly but to everyone that just reads topic and "free ram wasted ram!"
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norpan111 said:
This has nothing to do with the issues op is facing, stop spamming all these in threads without reading the op at least.. I'm not talking to you directly but to everyone that just reads topic and "free ram wasted ram!"
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Tell me about it. Ive been here a week n already sick of all the 'You're a noob we're better than you' bs :-/
DocRambone said:
Ram handling is clearly flawed in SGS 3, lets hope the is no HW bug.
Hopefully future updates will fix the leaking memory.
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I can see that from just normal use. If any webpage is open with any sort of flash container my SGS3 just starts killing background apps and throwing "Low RAM" errors. I wonder if Jelly Bean will fix this issue?
jnr21 said:
Does people think that android is windows, or why someone allways complain about low ram? People, please learn how android ram management really works.
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Excuse me but not everyone who asks questions in the XDA forums are idiots. I don't know what's with the attitude here of everyone with a couple of hundred posts but I'm not impressed. Knowing how RAM management works has NOTHING to do with this thread. The complaint in question here is that my phone is constantly running out of RAM and when it does it starts to kill background apps to free RAM which in turn grinds my phone down to a halt, and drains the battery excessively. Are you just here to get your post count up or something?
tsangwc said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813018&highlight=memory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812620&highlight=memory
Search a bit more next time. Read these threads and you will know why it is silly to want more free RAM.
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UGHHHH!!! READ WHOLE DAMN POST! NOT JUST THE THREAD LINE.. I don't care about if my phone has 3MB of RAM free all the time or not as long as it works without a hitch, what I care about is that my phone is killing background apps that I need open and then constantly reloading them over and over when I'm web browsing and sometimes when I'm just at the home-screen.
norpan111 said:
What are you even doing here? If you not are willing to try that I have no clue why you ask in xda for help.
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XDA isn't just about modding/using custom roms etc. There are multiple sections on the forums here for discussion about other topics. Including asking general questions about the device... I use ROMs on my other phones where I can because I love them and I don't mind the constant updating I have to do. But on this phone, I don't want to use partially-unstable roms that require me to constantly flash my phone over and over again just to get features that are already working fine in the general release version. There is no guarantee that this problem will be fixed in a rom anyway and some of us don't like breaking our warranty. Even if it's child's-play to return the phone back to stock settings and renew the warranty.
kbkrogs said:
Maybe free ram in android is wasted ram, but only if the ram is used for USEFUL apps. Samsung have made a lot of stupid apps run in the background at all time, like software update, Chaton, some clud service process, AllShare Service, and a lot more (google maps also run at any given time, eating 30 mb of ram).
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I've frozen all of these... 'Talkback, OTA Updates, Bluetooth (I never use it) as well as turned off NFC and a bunch of other things etc. etc. etc. I don't have that much running in the background but my phone still bounces between 330MBs (after killing everything) of free RAM and under >90. (2 mins later after everything has reloaded) To which it then starts throwing warnings and killing apps I need.
jbonetwo said:
If someone has 300MB free ram and is asking about freeing up more ram this makes sense.
If free ram is always <100mb then there's a memory management problem.
OP try disabling unused apps in the app manager, streamline startup apps and use gemini to turn off auto launching of unneeded apps.
On stock I used to have about 150-200MB free ram at boot. With CM9 and 10 i get 300-400MB free RAM at boot.
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^This. THANKYOU! Finally someone who didn't just read the tagline and post stupid retorts like "This isn't Windows" etc. I thought I was being plenty clear enough when I stated that the problem I was talking about was the fact that the phone goes from blisteringly fast, to painstakingly slow whilst browsing.
Disabling ALL addons (Javascript, Flash etc). from running while browsing stops this from happening 99.9% of the time. I also removed Tasker, much to my displeasure and froze a few more apps and it seems to happen less now but I'm still hovering around the 'workable' part of my phone. Which makes me feel a bit displeased because I didn't buy a phone to be limited by what I can do with it...
dfMails said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Simple question for Google
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Thanks for being another jackass who posts unhelpful crap in threads without actually reading them at all. You might think you're doing people a favor but you're not, and if that's how you roll, then forums aren't the place for you.
KMino said:
Just freeze all of the bloatware. Install a good custom kernel (eg Siyah) and move on! No one to blame but yourself for not doing that or wanting to.
Android is doing its job just fine with memory. It's just bogged down by Samsung and vendor crapware.
Be lucky you ain't in the US, DHS big brother software becoming mandatory soon lol
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It's hard to freeze bloatware when you have a bunch of people posting in forums that they don't know half of what the apps on the SGS3 do and if they are safe to freeze or not. I've done some searches but it seems that most people are generally confused about what is safe or not to freeze. Same thing happened with the SGS2. When I got it I googled (and found this place) what I could freeze and found people nitpicking over what they should, and shouldn't freeze. I have frozen everything that I've found is safe to, from multiple threads on the forums here.
I'll go and read a thread though as to why it's a good idea to flash a new kernel. I'd rather not have any restrictions as it is anyway, so that will be my next step, thanks!
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Thanks a ton to anyone who gave me the time of day and didn't just slam up some copypaste drama that has nothing to do with this thread. Free RAM is wasted RAM but when there isn't enough free RAM that background apps start getting killed (and usually instantly reloaded) then it goes without saying phone gets slower, battery drains faster, performance loss etc.
Excuse my retarded attitude but this isn't even the 10th time here I've had to dodge people who just post crap without even reading anything, and then just move on and do the same thing over and over.
I'm going to flash a new kernel, cross my fingers and freeze a few more apps, turn plug-ins to 'on demand' and cross my fingers again.
Thanks again to everyone who really helped and peace. I added thanks to you guys.
leijonasisu said:
Thanks for being another jackass......""
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Thank you, the same to you!
jnr21 said:
Does people think that android is windows, or why someone allways complain about low ram? People, please learn how android ram management really works.
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yeah. stop think like windows (even though windows 7 ram management is good). andoid load it's system/app in ram to provide faster response. but once you need it more, it will clear unused app to free more ram..not to worry about that..
ascariz said:
yeah. stop think like windows (even though windows 7 ram management is good). andoid load it's system/app in ram to provide faster response. but once you need it more, it will clear unused app to free more ram..not to worry about that..
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The problem begins when it start killing apps you are using instead of killing those bloated apps.
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Are you rooted?
If yes:
1 freeze all the bloatware
2 install v6supercharger and set lowmemorykiller values as low as possible
3 install hardswap script
4 you are done...
Now, make your own search, it is all in xda.
I gave you the hint, Nov it is up to you
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The RAM in my s2 has decreased from.92gb to 867mb since flashingics via odin(kies didn't work since the phone had zclp7(chinese) baseband, I have tried all the methods I could possibly think of, like reset, clear cache, clear dalvik, flashing different versions of gingerbread(2.3.4 and 2.3.6) and then flashing ICS back(both 4.03 and 4.04), which didn't work either, cm9(stable, rc1,rc2 and two nightlies, none of them worked but I kept the stable because I liked it better than the touchwiz), cm10(all three nightlies avaliable), and calling samsung(who politely told me to f\_/c1< off because my phone was bought in China, resulting in me directly saying it to them which then resulted in a dead line). So any conventional way, I've probably tried, and it's not effective. I'd love to hear unconventional ways and/or why this is occuring. A simple google search revealed that I wasn't the only one with this problem, and nobody has a solution for it yet.
ps ever since flashing to cm9, I've had unexpected shutdown and immediate reboots(when I'm doing something, it stops responding for two seconds and the boot screen comes up and I lose everything I was doing before) This only happens when my screen is on, never when my phone is sleeping.
Thanks in advance for your responses!
The ICS operating system handles memory very differently from gingerbread. ICS employs GPU rendering of the UI and handles background processes differently. Hardware acceleration also is a major factor in RAM consumption. If you need that 100MB of RAM, you might have to stay on gingerbread, but if you don't really need it, you can just stay on ICS. The purpose of the extra RAM consumption was to make things smoother.
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/graphics/hardware-accel.html
Hey man
Your title says 687MB but the body of your message says 867MB. Can I also suggest writing 920MB for the sake of consistency.
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xxhorseriderxxx said:
The ICS operating system handles memory very differently from gingerbread. ICS employs GPU rendering of the UI and handles background processes differently. Hardware acceleration also is a major factor in RAM consumption. If you need that 100MB of RAM, you might have to stay on gingerbread, but if you don't really need it, you can just stay on ICS. The purpose of the extra RAM consumption was to make things smoother.
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/graphics/hardware-accel.html
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ok, thanks, but i lost one-third of my RAM, not 100mb(typo there), and hardware acceleration doesn't seem to make a difference...except drain my battery. I love the ICS software, though, so any other suggestions?
samlives said:
Hey man
Your title says 687MB but the body of your message says 867MB. Can I also suggest writing 920MB for the sake of consistency.
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yesh, sorry about the typo, I wrote two other versions of the letters already, the first one that was written on my phone got deleted when it rebooted, the second one got deleted when I pressed the wrong button on my computer...so I got a little impatient and careless
Lol...I know the feeling. I do it more than I care to admit.
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