Related
There are a few people on the web reporting their HTC Hero is running a 2.73.728.5 ROM. I wonder if anyone here has seen this in the wild and could report whether this is a provider customized 2.73.405.5 or yet another new build?
And, with the release of Donut, I hope we have another update coming this side of Xmas!
Whatever that Hero update contains, it'd better sort out Bluetoothing. When I say Bluetooth I mean by way of file sharing with other phones not just with a headset.
Anyone get an answer from HTC about sorting this Bluetooth filesharing issue out? I've tried tweeting HTC, but get no reply.
P.S. the market apps don't work, even with root access. Sending AND receiving. Come on HTC sort this out, it would make the Hero a killer phone.
I honestly don't see how BT filesharing can be a big issue. Maybe a nice feature. I doubt it's on anyone's 'urgent list' at HTC or Google.
Airtel (India) comes with a factory default of 2.73.720.5.
wouwout said:
I honestly don't see how BT filesharing can be a big issue. Maybe a nice feature. I doubt it's on anyone's 'urgent list' at HTC or Google.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, it really should be considering that any old phone can do it these days, yet top of the range smartphones like the Hero can't do it? Ridiculous.
Maybe not an important thing in the US, but it is widely used globally. Research by Microsoft and MTV shows 75% of European 16-24 yr olds) 'Bluetooth stuff' to their friends. It's huge in Asia also.
You can do it on most HTC WinMo phones. I am frankly embarrassed when a friends asks me to bluetooth them a song or photo and I have to admit I can't.
I can see why Apple don't want to do it on the iphone, as they dont like the idea of moving music from one phone to another, but Android has no such ideological reasons for doing it, just a massive oversight.
Check out: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1725
Plenty of people there who want it.
edit to add:
IN fact its the second most requested item: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
Come on Google, pull your finger out!
ptashek said:
There are a few people on the web reporting their HTC Hero is running a 2.73.728.5 ROM. I wonder if anyone here has seen this in the wild and could report whether this is a provider customized 2.73.405.5 or yet another new build?
And, with the release of Donut, I hope we have another update coming this side of Xmas!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have that exact ROM build. I just received my HTC Hero and I love it. I could not tell you the difference in builds, but the HTC website states im not eligible for their latest ROM upgrade to 405. I bought mine online unlocked and using on the AT&T/Cingular Network in S.Carolina. Works just great with Wifi, on Edge, I dont have any Bluetooth devices, but soon to get some.
And pardon me if this sounds totally uninformed, but...
Do we now know for sure that the X10's multitouch is a hardware limitation? I searched around here for a definitive answer (since Sony's direct statement might be false) but couldn't find one. Is it possible to run an extremely low level program to truly test multi-touch capability on a screen?
Well, there is only way to know
I saw on modaco forums some C code how to modify the driver to enable multitouch (in case is supported by hardware)
Problem is finding somebody to modify/compile/test the driver.
I'd also like to get to the bottom of this and know for once and for all.
I found the post again:
http://android.modaco.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=305509&view=findpost&p=1235768
Now, poke jerpelea to give it a try
I downloaded the source code for the x10 and took a look at the screen driver. There is no multi touch code in there at all that i could see. Driver might need serious editing to even try.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
MeZmeriZe_ said:
I downloaded the source code for the x10 and took a look at the screen driver. There is no multi touch code in there at all that i could see. Driver might need serious editing to even try.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just throwing a concept out there...
Could it be that SE didn't add multitouch to driver because there is no multitouch capable hardware? Just an idea of course, they might be deceiving us when they say that the hardware doesn't support it. Everyone knows that the more complex the hardware is the cheaper it is to purchase...
MeZmeriZe_ said:
I downloaded the source code for the x10 and took a look at the screen driver. There is no multi touch code in there at all that i could see. Driver might need serious editing to even try.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, the code is in the the link i posted before
Now somebody can try to compile it ...
bump bump!
somebody who knows how to compile andriod apps should try this
I'm a new user and can't post links but according to androidandme.com "Xperia X10 series to receive Android 2.1 in Q4"
There will be android 2.1 on the X10 series, which includes multi touch.
Perhaps I'm I've misunderstood the question but wouldn't that imply that the hardware does support multi-touch, or will the X10 be running android 2.1 without multi-touch support?
Is there even *one* good reason for Sony Ericsson to say there won't be multitouch even in the Android 2.1 Update later this year if they were capable of enabling multitouch?
I mean, come on, wouldn't it like... be a awesome feature for them to add to their already awesome top-of-the-line phone that would get them even more customers?
I highly doubt they'd disable multitouch if they already built in multi-touch capable hardware, just for the hell of it...
ttxdragon said:
Is there even *one* good reason for Sony Ericsson to say there won't be multitouch even in the Android 2.1 Update later this year if they were capable of enabling multitouch?
I mean, come on, wouldn't it like... be a awesome feature for them to add to their already awesome top-of-the-line phone that would get them even more customers?
I highly doubt they'd disable multitouch if they already built in multi-touch capable hardware, just for the hell of it...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It could be a patented technology. Like the touchpad of most notebook, they are not "multitouch" but, with some magic drivers, they are (The technology is copyrighted by Apple in this case, like the two-finger-scrolling).
actually, i think se said no multitouch because they want to avoid a lawsuit from apple. isnt the htc suit about apple multitouch patents among other things?
LG, Samsung and most others are to big and have lots of patents of their own... apple want smaller fish like htc and SE...... se would want to avoid that as they have not done well of late, so they dont have money to waste on lawsuits. not saying it can do multitouch, just saying SE might not want it to.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
SE wont be brining multi-touch to their phones any time too soon. This is due to Apple holding the patent.
They will bring in one finger zooming and editing though.
There are videos out there that show how that work, it's pretty good. I can see this getting added on the 2.1 update.
Besides, they didn't add the multi-touch to the x10.
The hardware in all the SE Android phones are currently not capable of multi touch.
If anyone out there claims to be an SE fan they will know that SE never go all out on any of there products and if they can they will cut the manufacturer costs but up sell there own features (like Mediascape) to warrant the high prices they charge.
Could people please check the forums before posting 6 month old questions as I thought this thread would have been about Custom x10 Roms instead of this old debate yet again.
Everyone needs to get over it. The current SE android range will NOT HAVE MULTI TOUCH.
I know this because i read the blogs and the threads in this forum and finally the SE product blog clearly spells it out as well.
Now what about custom roms with 2.2 goodness?
And here we go again...great...I hope that someone will ask this AGAIN on Friday...
hey its friday today!
so anybody know if x10 will have multi touch? lol
I don't see why this is such a crazy question, considering Sony's track record of making statements to the effect of "this is not possible" only to do a full 180 months later and say "well, now we're no longer being sued, it turns out it WAS possible".
Case in point: PS3's motion controller & dual-shock. "They will NEVER, can NEVER work together!" and months later, "oh, yes they can".
I remember Sony fans at the time saying "stop asking for rumble! It's NEVER coming back, Sony said so". I for one always said "bull****, it WILL be back, it HAS to be back!" and lo and behold, it came back.
The moral is: never say never. Especially when Sony are involved. If you don't ask, you don't get. And, if everyone shuts up about it, Sony's scientific division can just say "ah, they've forgotten about multi-touch now, we seem to have gotten away with it... set the monkey-boffins in the lab another task, Igor..."
Hi,
Do you think Sony will develop an app that let all the Xperia users to have acces with remote play to their pictures, video and music?
Why do you think they can't do it?
Did any one ever tried to do an app?
Does it have to do with the fact that the X10 still dont have DLNA?
I just wanted to know because it sucks the an old phone like the S.E. Aino has remote play avalable but not the Xperia! I'm no expert so if someone has an idea plz let us know!
Anyway'z if you find it's a good idea
You can vote on S.E. Customer Feedback site!
sesync.uservoice.com/forums/
Thanks y'all!
Carrier: Fido
Phone: X10i Android 2.1 (Can't wait for fido to have 3G+)
Heykiii
heykiii said:
Hi,
Do you think Sony will develop an app that let all the Xperia users to have acces with remote play to their pictures, video and music?
Why do you think they can't do it?
Did any one ever tried to do an app?
Does it have to do with the fact that the X10 still dont have DLNA?
I just wanted to know because it sucks the an old phone like the S.E. Aino has remote play avalable but not the Xperia! I'm no expert so if someone has an idea plz let us know!
Anyway'z if you find it's a good idea
You can vote on S.E. Customer Feedback site!
sesync.uservoice.com/forums/
Thanks y'all!
Carrier: Fido
Phone: X10i Android 2.1 (Can't wait for fido to have 3G+)
Heykiii
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The rest of the link is: 68993-general/suggestions/986117-remote-play-one-ps3-for-s-e-phones-?ref=title
Sorry for that!
Carrier: Fido
Phone: X10i Android 2.1 (Can't wait for fido to have 3G+)
Heykiii
heykiii said:
Hi,
Do you think Sony will develop an app that let all the Xperia users to have acces with remote play to their pictures, video and music?
Why do you think they can't do it?
Did any one ever tried to do an app?
Does it have to do with the fact that the X10 still dont have DLNA?
I just wanted to know because it sucks the an old phone like the S.E. Aino has remote play avalable but not the Xperia! I'm no expert so if someone has an idea plz let us know!
Anyway'z if you find it's a good idea
You can vote on S.E. Customer Feedback site!
sesync.uservoice.com/forums/
Thanks y'all!
Carrier: Fido
Phone: X10i Android 2.1 (Can't wait for fido to have 3G+)
Heykiii
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well the Aino can do it and so can Vaio PCs, so why not their flagship android phone? I can tell you this much, if they don't make an app for THIS phone they surely will for the Playstation phone.
I know the PSPhone is a rumer but still the X10 is their flagship phone!
It kills me to see that S.E. is letting the phone die ....
They know that people change handset every year and a half almost but still ...
Well, It's probably easier to write a Symbian app for Remote Play than it is to write an Android app, where there's lots of crap going on at once. Maybe when we get DLNA, we'll get a Remote Play surprise. Can't say it'd be useful though. I use remote play with my PSP... it's pointless.
why buying it? Aino has it for free why not us?
heykiii said:
I know the PSPhone is a rumer but still the X10 is their flagship phone!
It kills me to see that S.E. is letting the phone die ....
They know that people change handset every year and a half almost but still ...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You still think it's a rumor?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/27/the-playstation-phone-is-still-real/
and more recently:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/29/the-playstation-phone-new-photos-more-details
I admit Remote Play for the PSP is not all that ...
But for the Xperia its something else I mean when I am somewhere waiting insted of putting a movie on my memory card I could just stream it
And for the PSP phone ... It's been almos a year since the first time I heard the rumor ... and seriously I don't think S.E. is going to release it because their working on a PSP 2. .. why do both!
heykiii said:
And for the PSP phone ... It's been almos a year since the first time I heard the rumor ... and seriously I don't think S.E. is going to release it because their working on a PSP 2. .. why do both!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The posts on Engadget were from the end of October.
Year ago = rumor
October 2010 = Prototype.
Why do both? How about different markets for one. You could say the same thing about the PSP Go. They marketed that to a different group than those that would normally get the 3000 model. I have both because I use the Go in my car for MP3 storage as well as something to keep me occupied while I'm out running errands or something. I like gaming on my phone, but i don't do it for a long time because I don't want it to drain the battery. If the PSP phone had the capabilities of the PSP Go along with being an android phone, then I would definitely get it.
Why is there still no app for ps3 remote play?
Final answer..
heykiii said:
Hi,
Do you think Sony will develop an app that let all the Xperia users to have acces with remote play to their pictures, video and music?
Why do you think they can't do it?
Did any one ever tried to do an app?
Does it have to do with the fact that the X10 still dont have DLNA?
I just wanted to know because it sucks the an old phone like the S.E. Aino has remote play avalable but not the Xperia! I'm no expert so if someone has an idea plz let us know!
Anyway'z if you find it's a good idea
You can vote on S.E. Customer Feedback site!
sesync.uservoice.com/forums/
Thanks y'all!
Carrier: Fido
Phone: X10i Android 2.1 (Can't wait for fido to have 3G+)
Heykiii
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think I can answer this original question once and for all.. Sony has always been one of those companies that likes to monopolizes their products, e.g., their accessories only work with their products. In the case of them making a "remote play" app for a device like the Xperia Pro, to work with the PS3, this would be a conflict of interest for them. Yes, the Xperia is a Sony product, but it uses the Android system. Sony would have to create an "Android" app to work with the PS3. And that would mean that any phone that had Android, could simply download this app and use it with the PS3. Guess what! We would no longer need to buy a PSP, a Sony product, to have the remote play function with the PS3! I'm sure the rest is self explanatory.
So why hasn't a third party, or some Joe in his basement made an app that would do the trick? Well Sony would simply release a manditory update for the PS3 that would render that app useless. That's mainly what those updates are for anyway; to eliminate hacks and cracks.
Does this mean there will never be an official app? Well I would say no. Just as someone else said, with enough demand, Sony might eventually change their minds. Or when the PS3 is no longer a primary interest for them. Who knows? Guess we'll just have to wait and see!
I'm Just wondering since we have 2.2 now, do you think that we enjoy using our phones more because we have 2.2/2.3 or do you think its was overhyped because of the frequent updates of other companies? Personally I believe I enjoy my x10 more since the mods came out and i like the fact that there are more apps available to me and I think its nice to have the Gallery app as a default. Also the JIT compiler is nice to improve the speed of the device but maybe we overhyped the benefit of 2.2.
What do you guys think?
not really... bugged DT, no 16m collors, no official froyo with everything working, 30FPS limit.... it's my fault i bought this phone because of it's good looks before i read about it...
2.2 is definitely an upgrade, spending 10 months on a phone that can't browse properly after my 2 year old n95 had Flash was very frustrating, although I have it installed I still think dueltouch is a nice feature but very overrated, don't care much for 16m colours but in retrospect the X10 wil be my last SE phone for the simple reason that they didn't keep there promises.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
to be fair though we got dual touch and flash support now, x10 currently quite laggy in custom froyo, not sure whether it's hardware related or tweaking. it's not comparable with other high end device.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
Leonidas300 said:
2.2 is definitely an upgrade, spending 10 months on a phone that can't browse properly after my 2 year old n95 had Flash was very frustrating, although I have it installed I still think dueltouch is a nice feature but very overrated, don't care much for 16m colours but in retrospect the X10 wil be my last SE phone for the simple reason that they didn't keep there promises.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What promise did they break? None that I know of, and they gave us dualtouch after selling this phone as incapable due to hardware. They only said update to 2.1. Misinformation like this is what is causing all this ill-will for SE.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
They may not have broken a promise but they fail to adhere to standards we have come to expect from devices of the same type. Theres no real excuse. Sony should have stepped up there game to put them in a good light. Now people will be hesitant to buy an se phone if they have so many short comings. I feel that 2.2 brought a lot of key features which made me enjoy my phone much more
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
arj154 said:
They may not have broken a promise but they fail to adhere to standards we have come to expect from devices of the same type. Theres no real excuse. Sony should have stepped up there game to put them in a good light. Now people will be hesitant to buy an se phone if they have so many short comings. I feel that 2.2 brought a lot of key features which made me enjoy my phone much more
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Again, Misinformation! Failed to adhere to standards... blah blah blah? Android and smartphones are a new developing technology, and what is standard in this type of industry is here today gone tomorrow. SE is still developing this device, and will continue to do so on 2.1. We have had 4 recent updates with more coming. SE's mistake was being honest and open about their intentions before they realistically needed to. We just got 2.1 in November.
Pretending now that having the latest OS is expected for the X10, when we all bought this phone knowing it came with outdated 1.6 is ridiculous. It boggles my mind. What universe do live in?
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
16m colors was a promise..
Anyway i don't even care about official updates, se's version of android sucks in my opinion.
I'm quite happy with freex10. If it want for the devs on here with custom ROMs i would probably hate my phone..
agentJBM said:
Again, Misinformation! Failed to adhere to standards... blah blah blah? Android and smartphones are a new developing technology, and what is standard in this type of industry is here today gone tomorrow. SE is still developing this device, and will continue to do so on 2.1. We have had 4 recent updates with more coming. SE's mistake was being honest and open about their intentions before they realistically needed to. We just got 2.1 in November.
Pretending now that having the latest OS is expected for the X10, when we all bought this phone knowing it came with outdated 1.6 is ridiculous. It boggles my mind. What universe do live in?
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I fully understand that technology is developing rapidly specialy in the mobile phone game believe me and i think you fail to understand what i mean by standards. I mean standards as in the ones set by other manufacturers. Take the HTC desire for example. 2.2 wasnt out when it was launched however they updated it to 2.2 when it was available. HTC have changed the android device quite heavily with there senses UI yet they were still able to produce a 2.2 update for the phone.
I understand you may be angry at the moaners who say it should be updated to 2.3 or it should be updated as soon as the source code for 2.x is released. You've got to understand that we have bought a device which is capable of running a newer OS but SE haven't implemented a newer version.
Yes props to them for getting dual touch working but it seems like they havent fully gotten up to the standards of other manufacturers and they should try to do this otherwise they will fall behind.
When people like us buy a phone, we look to see if its going to be up to date in a year. The x10 is failing to get up to date in 6 months and its already being put on the sidelines. Yes sony are releasing updates but they seem to be too fragmented. The 2.1 update didnt have exchange, 16mil colours etc these features should've been included from the start.
arj154 said:
I fully understand that technology is developing rapidly specialy in the mobile phone game believe me and i think you fail to understand what i mean by standards. I mean standards as in the ones set by other manufacturers. Take the HTC desire for example. 2.2 wasnt out when it was launched however they updated it to 2.2 when it was available. HTC have changed the android device quite heavily with there senses UI yet they were still able to produce a 2.2 update for the phone.
I understand you may be angry at the moaners who say it should be updated to 2.3 or it should be updated as soon as the source code for 2.x is released. You've got to understand that we have bought a device which is capable of running a newer OS but SE haven't implemented a newer version.
Yes props to them for getting dual touch working but it seems like they havent fully gotten up to the standards of other manufacturers and they should try to do this otherwise they will fall behind.
When people like us buy a phone, we look to see if its going to be up to date in a year. The x10 is failing to get up to date in 6 months and its already being put on the sidelines. Yes sony are releasing updates but they seem to be too fragmented. The 2.1 update didnt have exchange, 16mil colours etc these features should've been included from the start.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You expect too much, that's your problem. Say if you buy something today, are you expecting it to be updated? Like your car for example? Or Windows 7? You have to buy a new one...
Don't expect anything. Buy it, if you like it. Buy a new one, if you want a better model. Always works that way. You always have a choice...
roaringhere said:
You expect too much, that's your problem. Say if you buy something today, are you expecting it to be updated? Like your car for example? Or Windows 7? You have to buy a new one...
Don't expect anything. Buy it, if you like it. Buy a new one, if you want a better model. Always works that way. You always have a choice...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Im sorry but I completely disagree. Companies like Sony should be pressured into competing with other manufacturers and I think your car example isnt relevant. If the car was capped at 40mph when it could do 120mph then it may be applicable or if a new computer came with windows 98.
If we didnt have any expectations then the market wouldnt move forward. Smartphones would be a stagnated market and there would be no competition. These standards drive competition and I'm not crazy for having them and I'm sure many people on this forum feel the same way.
You may think I'm expecting too much but all I want is for sony to keep up with other manufacturers and ensure that the phone reaches its full potential. If I had a phone which was half the power of the x10 e.g. 512mhz processor, 128mb RAM etc then I would be happy with 2.1 and a number of updates to optimise the phone. I would accept that its not capable and wait until i can afford an upgrade but this isnt the case. We know the x10 is capable of running 2.2 and it brings too many benifits for sony to ignore.
I see that your quite a stubborn person and you seem to be quite happy with sony trickling out updates as theyve done with all there phones. I know you probably havent read or fully taken in what I've said so please can you just let this go so the thread can get back on topic? I dont want to continue this argument as it seems youre too stubborn to talk to. I've repeated myself a number of times on this thread and I stand by my views that Sony should keep up with every other manufacturer.
roaringhere said:
You expect too much, that's your problem. Say if you buy something today, are you expecting it to be updated? Like your car for example? Or Windows 7? You have to buy a new one...
Don't expect anything. Buy it, if you like it. Buy a new one, if you want a better model. Always works that way. You always have a choice...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And by your logic manufacturers will always be free to screw their customers over just because for the past few years it's become the norm for them to release and shortly after, forget their handphones. And the x10 isn't even old. Android has changed the game. HTC gets it.
Is it unreasonable to expect Froyo on a device that by CURRENT standards, is still very competitively specd? And who cares if SE never promised Froyo for the first gen Android Xperias? We've got Froyo running thanks to some awesome devs here at xda, and the bootloader cracking is an ongoing project. There is still so much to do. So just sit back and watch.
To me, 2.2 is a significant upgrade. I know that SE plans to update the x10 but with improvements to 2.1 only. Thats fine, and props to SE for the support. But 2.2 is what this device really needs.
The X10 hardware is very crap..
So in my opinion SE can shove it.
2.3, 2.5, 3.0 won't fix the hardware..
arj154 said:
Im sorry but I completely disagree. Companies like Sony should be pressured into competing with other manufacturers and I think your car example isnt relevant. If the car was capped at 40mph when it could do 120mph then it may be applicable or if a new computer came with windows 98.
If we didnt have any expectations then the market wouldnt move forward. Smartphones would be a stagnated market and there would be no competition. These standards drive competition and I'm not crazy for having them and I'm sure many people on this forum feel the same way.
You may think I'm expecting too much but all I want is for sony to keep up with other manufacturers and ensure that the phone reaches its full potential. If I had a phone which was half the power of the x10 e.g. 512mhz processor, 128mb RAM etc then I would be happy with 2.1 and a number of updates to optimise the phone. I would accept that its not capable and wait until i can afford an upgrade but this isnt the case. We know the x10 is capable of running 2.2 and it brings too many benifits for sony to ignore.
I see that your quite a stubborn person and you seem to be quite happy with sony trickling out updates as theyve done with all there phones. I know you probably havent read or fully taken in what I've said so please can you just let this go so the thread can get back on topic? I dont want to continue this argument as it seems youre too stubborn to talk to. I've repeated myself a number of times on this thread and I stand by my views that Sony should keep up with every other manufacturer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No, smartphones would be a dead market if every phone got free updates for as long as the customers felt entitled, and no one ever had to buy another phone. Thereby stagnating growth. The more phones they sell, the faster this technology will develop. The great thing is its users can pick up where the manufacturers leave off.
Did you buy a service contact with this device? No, that is what is standard with companies that offer continual support. This product has a life of approx two years. It's a disposable product, and not meant to be used longterm.
I think one reason for there is such a disconnect is because younger and younger people are using technology. While they can use the device better than their elders, they are not wise in the ways of how things work in the real world. Life isn't fair, and nothing is free. This is the first product in modern history that I can think of that gets free updates and upgrades. You're going to be extremely disappointed if you think this is how business works.
Even HTC has issues their users aren't happy with, and HTC is owned by Google who created Android, so current OS is to be expected. Like fruit and iPhone. SE isn't selling their own OS.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
Error. Please delete.
agentJBM said:
No, smartphones would be a dead market if every phone got free updates for as long as the customers felt entitled, and no one ever had to buy another phone. Thereby stagnating growth. The more phones they sell, the faster this technology will develop. The great thing is its users can pick up where the manufacturers leave off.
Did you buy a service contact with this device? No, that is what is standard with companies that offer continual support. This product has a life of approx two years. It's a disposable product, and not meant to be used longterm.
I think one reason for there is such a disconnect is because younger and younger people are using technology. While they can use the device better than their elders, they are not wise in the ways of how things work in the real world. Life isn't fair, and nothing is free. This is the first product in modern history that I can think of that gets free updates and upgrades. You're going to be extremely disappointed if you think this is how business works. Even HTC has issues their users aren't happy with, and HTC isn't going to fix. Google who created Android also owns HTC, so more is to be expected. Like fruit and iPhone.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
omg your incredibly ignorant and your clearly not reading what im saying. Im not expecting free updates forever. Im just expecting them to upgrade it to 2.2. Also did HTC abondon the HTC desire at 2.1? no they upgraded it to 2.2. I completely agree that its not economical to provide updates for free all the time.
You've got to move with the times too. We will demand updates, android is the platform which will push manufactures to develop phones with the current version of android.
I would gladly pay for an upgrade if it came to that, so its not an issue of money. Its about brand reliability, a lot of phone manufacturers rely on this. I have heard from so many family members who have owned sony erricson feature phones that have been put off by there software so its also the issue of the quality of there products.
You seem to thinks its fine just to stand by and let a company give you a faulty product. I mean if you got a burger which was completely undercooked and was not the way you expect it to be then you would complain. Its the same principle here.
You have a very jaded outlook on life it seems, i mean if you listen to the latest podcast of windows weekly, even paul thurrot has the same problems with windows phone 7 where micrsoft arent releasing updates fast enough to keep up with the competition. (and btw im pretty sure he's just over 40 so its not a generational gap).
In an ever critical industry that is technology, companies need to keep good brand reliability to keep on top of things.
Froyo provided the following benefits over Eclair:
- JIT compiler
- V8 javascript engine
- OpenGL ES 2.0
- App2SD
- USB tethering
- Wifi hotspot
- Bluetooth voice dialing
- MS Exchange support
- access to Adobe Flash 10.1
- access to Adobe Air
Seeing as how the first three provide significant speed boosts (we're seeing greater than 100% performance gains on 2.2 vs. 2.1 with JIT enabled), they alone are worth it. App2SD is pretty important as well, as SE saddled us with pretty measly app storage (especially when their custom apps are taken into account).
Now from what I can see, Gingerbread is less of an upgrade from Froyo (at least for the X10). But then SE hasn't given us Froyo.
arj154 said:
omg your incredibly ignorant and your clearly not reading what im saying. Im not expecting free updates forever. Im just expecting them to upgrade it to 2.2. Also did HTC abondon the HTC desire at 2.1? no they upgraded it to 2.2. I completely agree that its not economical to provide updates for free all the time.
You've got to move with the times too. We will demand updates, android is the platform which will push manufactures to develop phones with the current version of android.
I would gladly pay for an upgrade if it came to that, so its not an issue of money. Its about brand reliability, a lot of phone manufacturers rely on this. I have heard from so many family members who have owned sony erricson feature phones that have been put off by there software so its also the issue of the quality of there products.
You seem to thinks its fine just to stand by and let a company give you a faulty product. I mean if you got a burger which was completely undercooked and was not the way you expect it to be then you would complain. Its the same principle here.
You have a very jaded outlook on life it seems, i mean if you listen to the latest podcast of windows weekly, even paul thurrot has the same problems with windows phone 7 where micrsoft arent releasing updates fast enough to keep up with the competition. (and btw im pretty sure he's just over 40 so its not a generational gap).
In an ever critical industry that is technology, companies need to keep good brand reliability to keep on top of things.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Me ignorant? Your the one who bought the device with the oldest OS, and are expecting it to suddenly be running the latest. You assumed to the point of feeling entitled to additional OS updates beyond what the specs for the device clearly stated, 2.1. You know what they say about assuming? It makes an ass out of u and me.
Yes it would be nice for additional updates, and maybe even expected if additional development didn't have to be done to make it work on the x10, but you are overestimating the number of people who feel jaded. We, in the forums, are a small percent, and the number who feel ripped off like you is only a portion of that.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Every product has unsatisfied customers. If not we'd all be buying the same device. The Xperia was never marketed as having the latest Android OS. It had great hardware like 8 mega pixel camera and 1 GHz processor. If you wanted the latest OS, you should have bought HTC, the device of the Android developer Google.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
agentJBM said:
Me ignorant? Your the one who bought the device with the oldest OS, and are expecting it to suddenly be running the latest. You assumed to the point of feeling entitled to additional OS updates beyond what the specs for the device clearly stated, 2.1. You know what they say about assuming? It makes an ass out of u and me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yup, SE has made an ass out of you and me.
I bought SE because I had SE phones in the past, I liked the style and functions and I especially liked the supplied software for the PC. I've unbranded them too.
In the case of the X10, I went back to look at my review in September on Amazon just a few moments ago. I expected a AT&T 2.1 by the end of the year, and I thought that once the X12 was released, SE would give us a 2.2 also, since the phone was still in warranty/service. No one new about 2.3/2.4 at that time. I thought that because the phone only had 384mb RAM it wouldn't be able to handled 'Gingerbread' without 512mb which was the rumor at that time for it's specs.
Additionally in that review, I said that the phone was compromised by not having noise cancellation, and that SE was very slow at updating it, but for good reason.
What PO's me is the unexpected shortened term to EOL. EIGHT MONTHS ON ATT? This is almost unheard of. SE's PC companion software for this phone is not as robust as the prior versions and the USB driver for flashing doesn't work on XP SP3 and they won't fix it. They tell you to upgrade to W7.
Due to shortcomings in the Android OS which I did not investigate as much as I should have, simple things like bluetooth devices that I have from SE don't WORK FULLY with either 1.6 and 2.1, I need 2.3 to get the full function back for devices that are YEARS old and worked fine with $50 phones.
Most of my current annoyance at the situation right now is due to the abandonment of the phone by both AT&T and SE. Yeah, they are updating stuff, and AT&T is certainly trying to wait it all out so they only have to approve/screw up a singe firmware update.
I really really want to hear from AT&T and SE that they will upgrade the phone to the Arc for the subsidized or further reduced price without contract extension or penalty fees, but I don't think AT&T is going to carry it or SE very quickly (again).
stan.s said:
Yup, SE has made an ass out of you and me.
I bought SE because I had SE phones in the past, I liked the style and functions and I especially liked the supplied software for the PC. I've unbranded them too.
In the case of the X10, I went back to look at my review in September on Amazon just a few moments ago. I expected a AT&T 2.1 by the end of the year, and I thought that once the X12 was released, SE would give us a 2.2 also, since the phone was still in warranty/service. No one new about 2.3/2.4 at that time. I thought that because the phone only had 384mb RAM it wouldn't be able to handled 'Gingerbread' without 512mb which was the rumor at that time for it's specs.
Additionally in that review, I said that the phone was compromised by not having noise cancellation, and that SE was very slow at updating it, but for good reason.
What PO's me is the unexpected shortened term to EOL. EIGHT MONTHS ON ATT? This is almost unheard of. SE's PC companion software for this phone is not as robust as the prior versions and the USB driver for flashing doesn't work on XP SP3 and they won't fix it. They tell you to upgrade to W7.
Due to shortcomings in the Android OS which I did not investigate as much as I should have, simple things like bluetooth devices that I have from SE don't WORK FULLY with either 1.6 and 2.1, I need 2.3 to get the full function back for devices that are YEARS old and worked fine with $50 phones.
Most of my current annoyance at the situation right now is due to the abandonment of the phone by both AT&T and SE. Yeah, they are updating stuff, and AT&T is certainly trying to wait it all out so they only have to approve/screw up a singe firmware update.
I really really want to hear from AT&T and SE that they will upgrade the phone to the Arc for the subsidized or further reduced price without contract extension or penalty fees, but I don't think AT&T is going to carry it or SE very quickly (again).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You know, even if AT&T gave us the update I bet most people, including myself, would stay generic because of AT&T's attempt to block us from non-market & some market apps. Even if SE gave us 2.2+, we would still be hacking it and installing our own custom ROMs and themes. The xda Xperia developers are the ones who have it rough.
I believe AT&T will do something for us. I am in a unique situation. I bought my X10a on November 10, during the update fiasco and I was told my X10a was coming already updated to 2.1. It obviously didn't. During the many phone calls since, they have always told me that I don't need to return the phone because something was around the corner. I'm sure everyone who has bought the X10a since has been told something similar.
Ps. I got the USB drivers to work on the flasher on my XP SP3. I remember having to find them and install myself, but I don't have any trouble.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
Hello Guys! I've seen a lot of frustrated guys out there that were disappointed that Pioneer won't update their 4000nex units to support Android Auto. I saw this posted and wondered if this guy can do it so quickly, surely someone here could accomplish the same. I'm tempted to purchase his solution. Anybody have any thoughts as to whether this is safe?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-AVIC-4000NEX-ANDROID-AUTO-FIRMWARE-4100-4000-NEX-/271816740040
mptrh336 said:
Hello Guys! I've seen a lot of frustrated guys out there that were disappointed that Pioneer won't update their 4000nex units to support Android Auto. I saw this posted and wondered if this guy can do it so quickly, surely someone here could accomplish the same. I'm tempted to purchase his solution. Anybody have any thoughts as to whether this is safe?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-AVIC-4000NEX-ANDROID-AUTO-FIRMWARE-4100-4000-NEX-/271816740040
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
this would be pretty freaking rad. the two head units from what everything is pointing to, are identical aside from the software. i would like to believe this is legit. i have been eye balling a 4000. the android auto would be a nice feature to have but it is lame on their part to not do a firmware update.
I have loaded it into my head unit. The program loads but right now there is no audio for android auto. Im waiting for an update and will give it a try at that point. I wish I were savy enough to know what to do but unfortunately I'm not. I have the firmware and can upload it if anybody who is interested wants to take a look.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using XDA Free mobile app
mptrh336 said:
I have loaded it into my head unit. The program loads but right now there is no audio for android auto. Im waiting for an update and will give it a try at that point. I wish I were savy enough to know what to do but unfortunately I'm not. I have the firmware and can upload it if anybody who is interested wants to take a look.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using XDA Free mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I designed something myself as for a firmware interface to work with the 4000NEX. If you don't mind though, I'd like to take a look at what you have to see if mine is exactly mirrored or a bit different. Two things I noticing here is when it was posted he said he couldn't get the bluetooth to work for it, which I have rerouted a fix for that. But as for the audio not working for android auto, I want to see what is different on what you have and what I have. Mine worked fine when trialled, but it could be because of my current system already having bluetooth in the truck. If you don't mind, can you upload it here or email it to me? jared.balsor at gmail dot com
It would be great to get AA on the 4000NEX.
Hopefully someone here can get the firmware to work 100%. I'd be willing to donate.
flash150xlt said:
I designed something myself as for a firmware interface to work with the 4000NEX. If you don't mind though, I'd like to take a look at what you have to see if mine is exactly mirrored or a bit different. Two things I noticing here is when it was posted he said he couldn't get the bluetooth to work for it, which I have rerouted a fix for that. But as for the audio not working for android auto, I want to see what is different on what you have and what I have. Mine worked fine when trialled, but it could be because of my current system already having bluetooth in the truck. If you don't mind, can you upload it here or email it to me? jared.balsor at gmail dot com
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
By chance are you making any progress or updates on this? I would love to get a copy of the firmware with working bluetooth audio streaming.
a guy on avic411 has been making some real good progress on this as well.
mptrh336 said:
I have loaded it into my head unit. The program loads but right now there is no audio for android auto. Im waiting for an update and will give it a try at that point. I wish I were savy enough to know what to do but unfortunately I'm not. I have the firmware and can upload it if anybody who is interested wants to take a look.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using XDA Free mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Any chance you still have it and can upload it?
I also will be willing to donate for a copy of of that firmware that can enable android auto and still have Bluetooth capabilities.
slbailador said:
I also will be willing to donate for a copy of of that firmware that can enable android auto and still have Bluetooth capabilities.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah same here. Pisses me off that I only bought that head unit a year ago, and they updated the firmware for apple carplay but not android auto.
Firmware for NEX4000 to make it useful, please
I'm so irritated at Pioneer i could spit. I've updated to 1.11, got the MHL HDMI to usb adapter for my Galaxy Note 4, and then found out that i bought the crappy 4000NEX. The 4100? Son of a *****.
So, sell me 1 of your lauded & much praised firmware please, good sir. ☺