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if the new version of gingerbread comes out, i doubt that the camera would have support on our x10s, i think that sony ericsson will just give up on developing the gingerbread for our devices, cause the apps would be out dated due to the only use of the new.apk files that will have new parsing ways due to the honeycomb app support, i bought my x10 outright for 700 bucks and i would be reallly pissed off if they delay the update to 2.3 as they did to 2.1 when 2.2 was already out, i paid for a high end device and the stopped supporting us untll we heard about the 2.3 generic update that we where receiving, im very angry with them for just leaving us in the dust, when the x8 even has more support than our devices, if this happens, i want the x10 community to make a complaint to make sure that sony ericsson never is allowed to make a nexus device cause it seems to me that they just screwed us over with the x10. and it seems to me when they released the neo, arc and play, that they are wanting something, and if their developers couldnt handle making a device with a single core processor, how are they gonna support a dual core processor in a phone, they screwed up once and if i dont get an update past 2.3 because they started off with an outdated software in the beginning, this phone seems to be just a problem device, and why should anyone support them in the future, lets make sure if that they cant handle our phone, that they cannot handle a developers phone. lets complain as a group to the google developers, cause this is ridiculous, expensive device, problems and hardships = me as a customer very angry at a company, disappointment in the past is always a bad rep for the company, i do believe that google pics their nexus devices with the amount of success with the phone and the arc was like the second gingerbread device released. so most to sell because its a pretty awesome phone, there trying to prove that they can do it, but not support a high end phone, us as the community of x10 owners, can do this if its big enough
jesus dude, that is one gigantic run on sentence...
The truth of the matter is that all things in the end die. The X10 has reached that point in the eyes of SE. Unfortunately, support for the X10 will be more than likely dead after the update. SE will be shifting focus on new phones and development. It is sad, but let's face it. Did SE continue updating the Xperia X1 after a year? Nope. I bought that thing for $800 and it broke 3 times on me in less than a year. Your $700 you used to buy the X10 was the price you paid to live on bleeding edge of fashion/technology. It is incredible that the X10 will even get 2.3 update. Also, do you know what is the difference between 2.4 and 2.3 is? Rumors are they are one and the same. With the Gingerbread update, our phones will be relevant for another 6months to a year (probably extended due to new custom roms). So in the end, be happy, enjoy the ride and get bigger better phone once it comes out.
i wanted a bigger phone, thats why i got the x10, the potentials of this device are endless. and with experimenting with the custom roms theres multiple problems. the number one problem is the camera, and then wlod reboots, i try to develop but i cant do it, i remember back in the days with my HTC Dream and Magic that they made them so customizable now sony wont even unlock our bootloaders. but they will unlock their new devices seems pointless, it would make life a whole lot easier if it was unlocked, but no we have to find different solutions, i wanted to keep this phone because it has a developers potential and in my opinion was one of the best phones at the time just before samsung released the galaxy s devices, in all of this, this phone had so much potential, and all that potential is down the drain
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Actually sir... there was two periods and it is therefore 3 run on sentences. Lol.
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Yes, this is a high end device, but in the world of smartphones, nothing lasts forever. I'm actually very surprised we even received 2.3.3. If a smartphone is out today, by tomorrow it will be old news. This is the new generation of smartphones sadly.
im 16 give it up if you look at multiple devices, alot are still receiving updates like the galaxy s devices. they started off with 2.1 and they received froyo, man froyo is the bomb, its my favorite android yet, i even like it more than gingerbread cause i find it more cleaner, i like all of android, but i think my next choice wont be sony ericsson, probably a Motorola atrix cause that thing is purely amazing, just playing with one instore, it makes me drool. Motorola has a really good track record so i think that they will be the next nexus holders, they definatly will be the tablet developer device holder for the first one whatever they will call it, and if they can pull off a huge 10 inch qHD display. peace ipad 2 but then apple will come out with SUPER BIGMASSSIVE RETNA DISPLAY CAN YOU SEE THE TEXT CLEARLY APPLE falling behind slackers
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im 16 give it up if you look at multiple devices, alot are still receiving updates like the galaxy s devices. they started off with 2.1 and they received froyo, man froyo is the bomb, its my favorite android yet, i even like it more than gingerbread cause i find it more cleaner, i like all of android, but i think my next choice wont be sony ericsson, probably a Motorola atrix cause that thing is purely amazing, just playing with one instore, it makes me drool. Motorola has a really good track record so i think that they will be the next nexus holders, they definatly will be the tablet developer device holder for the first one whatever they will call it, and if they can pull off a huge 10 inch qHD display. peace ipad 2 but then apple will come out with SUPER BIGMASSSIVE RETNA DISPLAY CAN YOU SEE THE TEXT CLEARLY APPLE falling behind slackers
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The Retina Display is not as great as you think it is. You will only have no pixels when your letters are very tiny or pictures... I wouldn't buy for that a motorola. Ever a motorola or lg is never a motorola or lg again. Just suckish companies, no support and phones fail. My lg and motorola were in one month gone. My x10 is still looking very new after more then 7 months of heavy use!
Brandon mckinney? From atlanta ga? You the guitar kid?
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im 16 give it up if you look at multiple devices, alot are still receiving updates like the galaxy s devices. they started off with 2.1 and they received froyo, man froyo is the bomb, its my favorite android yet, i even like it more than gingerbread cause i find it more cleaner, i like all of android, but i think my next choice wont be sony ericsson, probably a Motorola atrix cause that thing is purely amazing, just playing with one instore, it makes me drool. Motorola has a really good track record so i think that they will be the next nexus holders, they definatly will be the tablet developer device holder for the first one whatever they will call it, and if they can pull off a huge 10 inch qHD display. peace ipad 2 but then apple will come out with SUPER BIGMASSSIVE RETNA DISPLAY CAN YOU SEE THE TEXT CLEARLY APPLE falling behind slackers
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I dunno. I think that I would go with a new Galaxy SII when it comes out on a ATT frequency. I almost bought a Galaxy the last time, but the ergonomics and the bad GPS kept me away but I hungered for the 16G internal storage and the 1G ram, which are worse shortcomings of the X10, IMHO. I'm on 2.1, and I'm awaiting GB, and we'll see how it goes. Can't be bothered changing roms every day/week. Even with my contacts backed up, the market remembering all the apps I had/have, it's too much of a PITA to keep screwing around with it.
The atrix has some bad tech reviews, but it's certainly a fantastic concept and the second time around, it will be much better (with a quad core ;-) ).
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I dunno. I think that I would go with a new Galaxy SII when it comes out on a ATT frequency. I almost bought a Galaxy the last time, but the ergonomics and the bad GPS kept me away but I hungered for the 16G internal storage and the 1G ram, which are worse shortcomings of the X10, IMHO. I'm on 2.1, and I'm awaiting GB, and we'll see how it goes. Can't be bothered changing roms every day/week. Even with my contacts backed up, the market remembering all the apps I had/have, it's too much of a PITA to keep screwing around with it.
The atrix has some bad tech reviews, but it's certainly a fantastic concept and the second time around, it will be much better (with a quad core ;-) ).
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yeah ill probably wait, i dont need a phone really untill when i can use it as a full laptop, Quad core would be amazing, 1.2ghz How undervolted would that thing be,
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Brandon mckinney? From atlanta ga? You the guitar kid?
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no im from canada, theres alot of people named after the exact same name as me, but i spell mine different from most, with an e before the n instaad of o
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if the new version of gingerbread comes out, i doubt that the camera would have support on our x10s, i think that sony ericsson will just give up on developing the gingerbread for our devices, cause the apps would be out dated due to the only use of the new.apk files that will have new parsing ways due to the honeycomb app support, i bought my x10 outright for 700 bucks and i would be reallly pissed off if they delay the update to 2.3 as they did to 2.1 when 2.2 was already out, i paid for a high end device and the stopped supporting us untll we heard about the 2.3 generic update that we where receiving, im very angry with them for just leaving us in the dust, when the x8 even has more support than our devices, if this happens, i want the x10 community to make a complaint to make sure that sony ericsson never is allowed to make a nexus device cause it seems to me that they just screwed us over with the x10. And it seems to me when they released the neo, arc and play, that they are wanting something, and if their developers couldnt handle making a device with a single core processor, how are they gonna support a dual core processor in a phone, they screwed up once and if i dont get an update past 2.3 because they started off with an outdated software in the beginning, this phone seems to be just a problem device, and why should anyone support them in the future, lets make sure if that they cant handle our phone, that they cannot handle a developers phone. Lets complain as a group to the google developers, cause this is ridiculous, expensive device, problems and hardships = me as a customer very angry at a company, disappointment in the past is always a bad rep for the company, i do believe that google pics their nexus devices with the amount of success with the phone and the arc was like the second gingerbread device released. So most to sell because its a pretty awesome phone, there trying to prove that they can do it, but not support a high end phone, us as the community of x10 owners, can do this if its big enough
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dude! Chill!
You got xda! I believe apart from camera, xda will do a wonderful job in making a better rom for it! Chill
you need to calm down lol cant expect se to bring updates out forever im happy with 2.2 personally
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Chill....
Your phone will be out of date....
Deal with it.
I think a lot of angst is created because of the 'mighty 1GHz' processor in the x10, people assume that is is nearly as fast as the current-gen snapdragons etc. It isn't. The graphics are sub-par and the memory is slow. Sure the x10 is fast and can keep up nicely with its own generation of devices but it is not 'new'.
Recently Google have been changing their attitude to releasing honeycomb to tablet manufacturers and guess what, many devices are not going to be compatible. Take the Advent Vega tablet, packing a first-gen Tegra 2 processor, its not going to be officially supported, so there will not be proper hardware acceleration for the interface and probably only sdk builds of honeycomb.
Dang...
Google are changing the way they release their operating systems and changing the requirements for manufacturers to get the latest official build of their software. This is going to help with fragmentation and give a more consistent experience across devices. They are also aiming for a longer release cycle on each version of android. As ice cream is going to be based heavily on honeycomb, I would think that Google would add similar restrictions and it is likely that the snapdragon in the x10 would not be supported, if so, neither would the nexus 1 or the desire etc.
There is nothing Sony can do about this, sure they made mistakes with the x10, but hey, they have promised us gingerbread and have given us dual touch. If you look at the ark, play etc, SE seems to have taken alot of peoples views into account and have realised that if they don't give the absolute bleeding edge version of android people will whine and ***** that they don't have flash or apps2sd or the biggest release number. If you care, root, flash a rom, install apps2sd, whatever you want to do. If you care, you can do something about it.
And finally about the bootloader, the devs have found ways around it and are giving us fresh kernels, I would not completely write off SE's argument that it is licensing issues as these can make a huge difference and complicate the process - A process that is SE's porogative anyway. Even on my Nokia n800, one of the most open devices, Nokia had decided that it didn't want to pay the licence to Imagination Technologies for use of the PowerVR graphics on the SoC's it bought, hence, no graphics coprocessor...
I think Sony gets too much flak, sure it took ages for 2.1, and it is taking a while for gingerbread, but the phone works, solid as a rock in fact and it only crashes because I have seriously fk'd around with the settings, I can deal with that. My phone is out of date, but I don't care, I am a tinkerer and I can make it do everything I need, I am looking forward to gingerbread as I love the camera too much on stock, but I have jit, link2sd, barnacle wifi tether and all sorts of other mods. Gingerbread will be great, and will definitely tide me over to my next dual core Ice cream toting superphone..... when it comes out...
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@tomh235, what a wonderful post man, u just truly explain what android is all about let me explain.
I was once an iphone fiend, stuck with my 3gs, jailbreaked, and it bricked due to mods that i've tryed, I wanted to upgrade to the iphone 4 and couldn't cuz it was reserved for new customers first, I tryied through many ways and it was almost like the contract I was about 2 sign was saying "in exchange of your unborn child". People around me was trying everything 2 get an iphone 4 and when I had a look at this, I was like that's it, what else. The seller was saying "its a revolution in the smartphone world and bla bla bla". When I look at the androids, he couldn't tell me nothing about it. So I dare myself with the xperia x10. I should have read more about the phone before getting one though lol but Ive learned so much bout computers, technology, linux, im no dev but a good tester/user. I will never go back to an iphone promise.
What i wanna send as a statement is that if you are the kind of people that always go to your carrier cuz your phone isn't snappy from time to time or really need regular updates and baby like support,stick to your iOs that works good for most people. If your the kind of user that isn't scare of tweaking, searching for mods, get an android. There so much different phones, OS, features, roms. Nothing 2 bored about. Xperia x10 is okay on froyo, waiting for official gingerbread, no regret about my 3GS that i replaced the screen and sold it 400$ loll iphone fiends.
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Hi,
do you have any official information, if the tablet s will get an update to android 4?
I found one webpage which says that this will happen, but an official statement would be better.
I really hope ICS comes to the tablet.
Hopeful, as it's coming to the Sony Ericsson Xperia phones
http://www.mobot.net/ice-cream-sandwich-coming-sony-ericsson-androids-31986
Absolutely no reason we wont get it since all sony phones from 2011 will get it...just a matter of when.
Sony will need time to customize 4.0 for the S's features. In that time we'll be seeing Tegra 3 updates to everyone's lines. Not sure Sony wouldn't be better off spending their time getting a Tegra3 S out with 4.0 on it.
Ok thanks.
I hope a Tegra 3 will not come in a month or so, because I want to buy mine today and don´t want to see a new version with tegra 3 in short time.
Unfortunately that's the game we play buying these devices; that best buy commercial was right when people buy a phone only to walk outside and see the billboard for the newer, better device.
I'm pretty positive the Tablet S will get ICS since Sony wants to bolster sales of their first official android tablet on the market. They'd definitely have some happy customers in here!
StarvinMarvin said:
Ok thanks.
I hope a Tegra 3 will not come in a month or so, because I want to buy mine today and don´t want to see a new version with tegra 3 in short time.
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the tablet is to new not to do it plus tegra 3 is just a beefier verison of tegra 2
If I remember correctly, Google said that ICS was a meld of Honeycomb (tablet only) and the the versions prior to Honeycomb (phone optimized). I believe ICS is similar to iOS in that both tablet and phone can run the same apps (where Honeycomb couldnt run phone apps). So most likely ICS will be coming to most devices (prolly 2010 and older) so all their apps can run on all ICS devices
You're right, it would be in everyone's benefit to put ICS on every device; however, they most likely will only do recent, dual-core phones and tablets because it's up to the manufacturers (HTC, Sony, Samsung) to incorporate ICS into their proprietary OS add-ons. If Sony is listening to its consumer base, however, they'll definitely update the Tablet S.
And yes, it's a way of merging phone and tablet OS's. It looks pretty much like honeycomb with some graphical tweaks and useability improvements.
I asked the same question in the Sony Forums. The mods there work with the engineers at Sony.
https://forum.sel.sony.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=11480
Show some interest and maybe we'll make it happen, sooner rather than later.
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Hi,
do you have any official information, if the tablet s will get an update to android 4?
I found one webpage which says that this will happen, but an official statement would be better.
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For what it's worth, Sony Style employees are confirming the upgrade. I would be more comfortable seeing an official announcement though.
ICS Is coming just can't say when, there will be a minor update this friday, then another one in December, i'd expect 4.0 in the new year though, maybe as late as March.
definitely. but the asus transformer prime doesnt bother me cause i had a transformer before and the quality is terrible.
I read that there definetly will be an Update to Android 4.0. I hope it will come at Christmas
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ICS Is coming just can't say when, there will be a minor update this friday, then another one in December, i'd expect 4.0 in the new year though, maybe as late as March.
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This seems the most likely expectation. ICS Source has only recently been released for manufacturers to impliment the code to their devices.
Q1 2012 I expect.
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Does anyone know when the tablet P will be released in Australia ? The Sony site only shows the S
Has the P been released anywhere ?
Will it have ICS on it by default ?
Also when is the 3G S going to be released
Thanks
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sony+tablet+p
It's on sale in the UK and should be other places soon, doesn't ship with ICS.
3G is also on the way.
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It's on sale in the UK and should be other places soon, doesn't ship with ICS.
3G is also on the way.
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Thanks unclespoon
I hope they release it in Australia soon as I really like the P design and want to get a real feel of it
I think Sony should provide some idea about if and when these devices will be upgraded to ICS
I had a chat conversation with Sony today and was told that Sony engineers were working with Google to bring ICS to the Sony Tablet S. I was overjoyed.
I could have told you that.... I'm anxious to start hearing actual dates.
Hello,
I just want some opinions on how future proof people think the sgs2 is.
The prices have dropped a bit.
but im mainly concerned over the new hardware that is coming in early 2012, as well as the galaxy nexus as an alternative..
Thanks
its one of the fastest smoothest phones available today it can support Ice Cream sandwich and who keeps a phone more than a couple of years anyway the early quad cores are coming soon so it's good for a couple of years reckon I'll get a an sgsIII when my contract runs out next august depending on specs etc
nesx87 said:
Hello,
I just want some opinions on how future proof people think the sgs2 is.
The prices have dropped a bit.
but im mainly concerned over the new hardware that is coming in early 2012, as well as the galaxy nexus as an alternative..
Thanks
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The Galaxy S II is pretty future proof, one of the reasons I bought it.
I remember one of the first reviews mentioned it as a 'plus'. Its future proof.
One of the reasons is it contains so many things, like bluetooth 3.0, DNLa, MHL (HDMI), Wifi Direct and a lot of crap of wirless options.
Second it has still one of the best dual core processors. While quad core processors might start showing up in phones in 2012, everything is still being optimized for dual core. At the end of 2012/beginning of 2013 it may be smart to buy a quad core phone. The idea is this dual core processor wil be good for at least another 1,5 year.
The screen is nice, its no HD 720p resolution but that doesnt mean our WVGA res isnt future proof.
Anyways... Ice Cream Sandwich has been officialy confirmed by Samsung. And after that, we have XDA that will put out perfect ROMs with the future Android versions.
Anyways... I would say its future proof. As long as you dont mind not having 'the latest of everytjing'. Because sooner or later better phone's will come out (that doesnt mean the S II will not be excellent anymore!)
Nothing is future proof... Better question is, what will hold its resale value.
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I think that SG2 is best you can buy at the moment and for the next 1 year it will be one of mostly wanted phones......
The only thing it lacks for future proof is an HD screen and a quad core. However, SMAOLED+ is the best looking screen technology out right now and Exynos is the fastest dual core SoC.
Basically, the SGS2 will be good for another year but after that I would consider upgrading.
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I also like to think that A LOT of geeks decided to upgrade to this phone when it was released. It was hyped a lot before release, and it just said BOOM! It is now the best android mobile out there.
-Because of this this exact mobile is going to have an incredible amount of fans out there developing roms, tweaks and whatnot...
It sure will be future software wise, and if you really think about what the hardware specs are good for - I don't think you will disappointed in the next two years or so
Thats my opinion anyway...
This phone is like htc desire in his time, it was relased 14.5.2010 and now year and a half from then is still great phone so i think that SGS2 will be great for next year and more....
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This phone is like htc desire in his time, it was relased 14.5.2010 and now year and a half from then is still great phone so i think that SGS2 will be great for next year and more....
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The desire users have now all run into it's limitations, mainly a huge lack of internal storage space. Only tweakers will start using a2sd+, so most people will just live with the limitations.
Android 2.2 is also one of those limitations, only tweakers will be able to upgrade to anything higher.
And physical buttons that lose functionality as well, not to mention the crappy camera!
So, it's not about what Mr. XDA can do with the phone, it will be whatever Joe/Jane average will be able to do with it 12-18 months from now compared to new smartphones what will determine the value.
I was youst saying about hardweare specs, desire had the best HW spec for his time and he last for quite some time now....
2013, sgs2 still going strong ICS is old news... JB now, lol...
Why resurrect this thread?
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its not future proof at all in fact official software updates will end after 4.2.1/4.2.2
and roms such as cyanogen mod will not upgrade to the next android version since samsung doesn't provide support
Nothing is future proof... We're always looking for and creating something new... This is a good phone, the only thing that can out do it is hardware... Android is running out of things to apply or implement into phones... They didn't even come up with a new name for 4.2.x... I look forward to see what exotic dessert they'll name the next, lol...
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I look forward to see what exotic dessert they'll name the next, lol...
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I thought Key Lime Pie name for the upcoming release was already known, was it not?
It's funny, digging up a thread from 2011 about how future-proof this phone is... By now, I think the time has shown that in 2011 it was quite future-proof indeed. I'd say at the moment it's still very capable device, which in the world of tech and electronics is truly amazing.
Samsung Galaxy S III is a mighty beast? Agreed. Does it have the meanest specs? It does. Can it be upgraded to Android's latest when it comes? Might not be.
S III reviews are coming out and here's a quote from The Verge's review-
"One thing that goes consistently overlooked with respect to Samsung’s phones is the company’s ignominious track record with Android software updates. There may be worse offenders out there, but Samsung’s chronic failure to update its devices on time (or at all) is a significant black mark for a brand looking to lead the way in almost every other respect. Thus, as much as I may enjoy the Galaxy S III today, I have to temper that enthusiasm with the knowledge that its long-term future may not be as rosy as that of a stock Android device"
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/25/3042640/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review
The Galaxy S II ICS update hasn't come to India yet where Sony is almost ready to release ICS updates for their low-end range in a week, despite S II being a flagship. People in this forum are constantly doubting Sony's commitment to their customers. I don't know why but they should never. For a company which is willing to support the developer community for the greater good, nothing speaks more trust than that. So if you worried about the ICS update or future updates about your XPERIA S, never worry. Just wait for a couple of weeks more and you will get it.
So will you trust Sony?
i owned an xperia x10->ray and now xperia s.
the xps is a very good phone i can say is fantastic, i played some howers a go a game made by qualcomm it self (snapdragon) the game is Desert wind still in very very alpha and not even completed and i can say that game completly destroys all tegra 3 games i ever seen!
but lets be honest the galaxy s3 is a better phone in many aspects, is a newer high end phone is normal to be better, not only for the futures he comes with but for the hardware to, if i should buy a new phone right now i'll wait for the galaxy s 3!
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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Even my X10 MP could run ICS. But that's marketing. It has been like that and always will be.
Xperia for life..
Sony simply love the aftermarket developers, users need.
They are social company, not some kind of competitor like apple or samsung, they aiming only for money..
Sony aim also on money, but taking in mind care of users, satisfaction of user, being reliable, accepting if they mistake in something (arc case, xperia s screen) and wiling to repair it for free...
what do you need more?
great phone poor support
i cant think of many reasons, and i have the xperia s,
it has a better screen (ppi) and i prefer the look of the xperia s, when ics comes to the xperia s i might be able to find more however with the s3 having a much larger battery, current reviews(benchmarks) say it has twice the standby time of the htc one x,
although samsung have fallen in the update area, sony have been far from good with theres with something as small as firmware and ics, three, tmobile and orange have all released there version of the .73 firmware to fix the battery drain issue and there is no generic version released as yet and wont be for some weeks, i developed the yellow tint on my first xperia s and had to wait 6 weeks for my phone to be returned, not sure what samsung are like at this but from my point of view i paid £400 for as phone that went dead after 42 days !!!! i should have had a replacement set to me not a repair
then there is ics which has a big stamp on the box saying its upgradable, the one x comes out with it, the 2011 range get it and still another month or two wait for there so called flagship to recieve the update when samsung s2 recieved the upgrade before sony got it to the 2011 range aswell,
sony were once the best in the market but now there one of the worst for it,
as much as i love the phone to pieces and wouldnt swap it for anything else on the market at the moment the support from sony and the timely updates are appalling,
i even had a chat with sony support and asked when the 73 firmware update will be released for generic uk users and his response was "do you mean ics" further training needed too i think,
plus on the xperia s
screen
camera
playstation certified
panorama 3d photos,
hdmi support
styling (see thru cap at bottom is a very good touch esp in a dark room/club)
plus on the samsung
processor
lte version to be released
additional micro sd slot ( i know 32gb is enough but what about when you want to print photos direct from the phone in store) micro sd does come in handy
ics already pre installed,
better browsing due to ics
better multitaksing due to ics the list can go on
when xperia s gets ics i still think the xperia s will be the better phone as you dont need a quad core nowadays but it has to be listed as a pro for the s3, i doubt you will get the use of it for another year or so until some advanced apps come out,
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No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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The Samasung track record for updating is much much worse than Sony. Sony is one of the best when it comes to updating for Android. Also I would rather have them wait and release an almost perfect version than push out a crummy one. Go test the HTC One series which have lag issues in ICS and you will see what I mean.
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No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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You should try owning a Motorola if you think Sony have done you a disservice.
Fanboi threads are fail. Sony lost alot of good will with the fiasco that was the x10. Samsung ran rings around them and to be fair, and speaking as an S user, they still do. Updates? Sony vs Samsung? It's a no brainer. The S2 didn't get to where it is by shoddy after market support, quite the contrary. If it wasn't for the vast number of pissed off customers the x10 would still be running 2.1. Sony lovers devs? The lols just keep coming. All the aftermarket devs have done has been to show just how incompetent Sony are, how they try to hoodwink their less tech savvy customers by spinning utter bull**** about hardware limitations etc... And the list goes on. 3 months down the line im still waiting to be able to have some fun with my S. Silly me, should have held on to my brilliant S2 and waited for a proper phone by a manufacturer that knows how to please the masses.
Well, I would never, ever consider the Xperia S over the S3. Never. Xperia S in my opinion is a competitor of the GNex. S3? No.
The Hayabusa will be that phone.
And about the updates, remember that Carriers are the biggest problem, specially in these cases of "not in my country!"
And didn't Sony just said they won't update the Xperia Play? I mean, seriously?
lol where is the update for the original flagship arc? They updated the mid end neo V and ray but not the arc how wonderful!! And did you hear they cancelled the update for the xperia play despite "promising" it?
Wait wait where is the update for the xperia S for that matter? Are you even serious making this topic? So what if the S2 update hasnt reached india yet? It's pretty simple to put another country firmware, you really dont need indian firmware just because one lives in india. There is hardly any difference.
Samsung has bad support for their mid end and low end phones yes thats true but it doesnt apply in the slightest bit to their flagship. The galaxy S was one of the first phones after nexus S to get gingerbread. Galaxy S wasnt updated to ICS but neither was any other phone from it's time.
It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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If you cut down the SGSII variants that are a problem of the carriers, the number of devices goes down.
Plus, they should be working in the update of the Xperia S even before it's release. I dunno why they did this the way they did. They screwed up big time IMO.
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It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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HTC is updating most of it's phones as well, even the desire HD which was launched in 2010!! You cant expect them to update something like the wildfire S with a 600mhz CPU and 512MB ROM. The minimum xperia phone getting updated is 1Ghz CPU and 1GB ROM.
Samsung did mess up yes but not on their flagship, do you even know the S2 has started shipping with ICS out of the box? The verge reviewer has no idea what he is talking about.
I never recommend the cheaper samsung phones to anyone but to try to put the S3 in a negative spot because of how samsung treats it's cheaper phones is ridiculous.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii_in_india_is_now_shipping_with_android_40_ics-news-4273.php
The reviewer of The Verge is the guy who got his heart broken by Samsung in the release of the S3.
I'm just pleased to see that he did gave a 0 to the phone.
Another plus for the S3, the dev support it will have will likely be unprecedent. It's already the most preordered gadget in history (sure, the number is much higher than the real purchases because some people have pre ordered different collors and memory amount just to be safe).
Motorola sucks. I hope that with it's new CEO things will change there and they get back on the right track of producing great phones. My Motorola Milestone (2009) is able to run CM9 with it's OMAP3 550mhz (overclocked at 1ghz) and 256mb of RAM, pretty impressive for a device with a locked bootloader, IMO.
I agree with you that Xperia S is better, but your reason isn't right. The thing is everyone's impressed with the s3's specs like qead-core processor although it is something you definitely don't need these days. You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
Long story short, Samsung is putting a lot of effort on over mighty specifications you don't need, maybe just for the once who compare it to the S by specs only. The ICS delay is annoying I must say, but it is not that terrible.. Another month is not THAT much.
Xperia S is sexy, awesome display and camera, and very fast. Sony is my choice.
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MasterLinuxer said:
You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
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They said the same thing about 1Ghz single core CPU's, they always say xyz will always be enough forever but it is never the case. The biggest limitation of xperia S is actually the GPU which really could have been better for 720p resolution. 1.5Ghz dual core CPU and 1GB ram would not cause any issues for a long time.
Xperia S camera is not better just because it has more megapixels. I would think the camera is just about equal on both, the great feature the xperia S has is camera button.
And xperia has faster processor? lol wut?
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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Did Samsung Galaxy S get ICS? And mind u, Samsung sold a butt load of those.
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To a few people here, easy guys. Let's have a constructive discussion and not a bashing one. I for one am not a Sony representative and am quite an objective gadget lover - have many devices including an iPod touch (because I love Apple's OS fluidoty), a Galaxy S2, the Xperia S and the Ray. It makes sense to love everything
Now to the point I wanted to make. Companies should sometimes care about customers too. The fact that X10 got 2.3 is huge. Do you remember Samsung's first galaxy having anything more than 1.6? Do you remember the HTC Hero with more than 2.1? Sony never left these customers in the lurch. Asking for ICS when you bought the X10 is like wishing for lifetime ice-cream supply.
I will tell you another case which I think everybody should know. Samsung quietly replaced the S2 I9100 with I9100G a couple of months ago in the Indian market. What do you say is all the fuss eh? The chipset inside is not a dual-core Exynos or Mali GFX chipset. It's replaced by Cortex A9 and PowerVR SGX540. The processor was underclocked. The GPU was inferior. Asked Samsung on Twitter and they said that chipsets have been replaced but they have similar performance. Benchmarks around the world suggested otherwise. So is Samsung being very clever? Would you like to buy something that is a lie and a false promise in the first place? They just released this model in developing markets because there was a Exynos shortage for European markets so they realised why not fool the mindless buyers of lowly markets!
And I have one question at the end of this - WOULD YOU HAVE ACCEPTED SUCH MANIPULATIVE MARKET PRACTICES?
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Hardware debate again. The only valid argument for GSIII is its hardware.
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Sony's refresh of the Xperia S is officially confirmed, specs are all the same except it has a 1.7ghz processor and it ships with ICS
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-sl/
http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/18/sony-xperia-sl-gsm-phone-official/?icid=m_eng_latest_art
Who's going to upgrade? I'm not, only a slight increase in specs, I'm sticking with my Xperia S until maybe Sony's 2013 lineup with quad core devices
Hope capacitive buttons panel is new.
Honestly i see no point what so ever to update if you already have the Xperia S. Yes it has a 1.7Ghz but still does not matter. Anyways i am staying with my Xperia S.
Yea hopefully they have the new panel for the captivate buttons but who knows. Also this comes with the new 4.0 ICS update but here in Canada we have yet seen this update. So am i guessing they wont release it here.
Sony is really doing an HTC this year. So many unnecessary Xperia models with similar looks and specs.
Sony should really start thinking on selling quad core devices, and be ahead of most of the other companies or at least be in the same range
Not worth to upgrade. At least now we know it's safe to overclock over phones to 1.7Ghz now.
Sony has f*ck*d us , new device( same As sxs but with + 200 mhz) , so Xperia s problem will be forgotten ( Yellow tint, display without yellow tint worse than the first display, different charger, no tag in the box, camera focus problem ( partially resolved with ics) etc....
What do you think?
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+1.. They should spend sometime on supporting their product such as upgrading OS etc.. really don't know what they're thinking. More phone with almost identical spec???
Do they even care about their existing customer?
randy_c said:
+1.. They should spend sometime on supporting their product such as upgrading OS etc.. really don't know what they're thinking. More phone with almost identical spec???
Do they even care about their existing customer?
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you guys should know that Sony is re-doing Sony Ericsson phones portfolio, meaning reselling the older designs/series into NZT styles. why do you think most of the phones represent older ericcson phones? for a reason.
then again this the Xperia Arc S (xperia SL u could link them perhaps) was the last phone seen from Ericsson. So therfor Sony should be able to start fresh next Year with their new phones instead of remaking older models
Sony is finaly rolling some models.
Not like Sony Ericson which had only few models and they were outdated
Sony are being retarded. Whats the point in releasing 10 different versions of the same underdeveloped phone?
They are barely supporting the Xperia S and now another pointless update?
Forzaferrarileo said:
Sony has f*ck*d us , new device( same As sxs but with + 200 mhz) , so Xperia s problem will be forgotten ( Yellow tint, display without yellow tint worse than the first display, different charger, no tag in the box, camera focus problem ( partially resolved with ics) etc....
What do you think?
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Ill agree with that
it ist just a life cycle impulse. don´t cry like litlle babies.
it is quite usual to do this and especially se/sony did this in the past.
ps one, ps2 slim, ps3 slim, psp slim, arc s, x10 hd, vivaz pro/hd ( can´t remember well) .....
Got to wonder how they've gotten 1.7GHz out of an S3 unless it's been shrunk to 28nm process.
Quad cores will be a flash in the pan for now, dual core a15's (S4) are faster in most cases than a Quad A9 and a lot faster in day to day use
I guess this is great for anyone who has a real XDA/SetCPU phobia.
keithwalton said:
Got to wonder how they've gotten 1.7GHz out of an S3 unless it's been shrunk to 28nm process.
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You don't need to. Each batch of chips results into some really good ones, a lot of "just average" and some "underperformers". Depending on business model the manufacturer could choose to sell them at several different speed grades (like Intel or AMD) or just scrap the underperformers and sell the rest as "average" (like [email protected]) even if some of them could actually clock higher.
As manufacturing process matures and gets tuned, you will start getting more and more really good ones. At some time you can produce enough of them to be able to introduce a new quicker grade.
Quad cores will be a flash in the pan for now, dual core a15's (S4) are faster in most cases than a Quad A9 and a lot faster in day to day use
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It looks like qualcomm is still unable to produce enough of S4's and Sony is forced to scramble for stop gap solutions. "Warmed up" SXSL could be just one of them.
This is why manufacturers are using S4 only where they absolutely need to, for example because of requirement to support LTE. And even splash out a lot of cash for parallel and arguably worse hardware designs based on Tegra3 (HTC One X usa vs international). Or even roll back to S3 (htc one s in some markets).
This is why almost every new tablet comes with Tegra3 and almost none based on S4.
cikomiko said:
it ist just a life cycle impulse. don´t cry like litlle babies.
it is quite usual to do this and especially se/sony did this in the past.
ps one, ps2 slim, ps3 slim, psp slim, arc s, x10 hd, vivaz pro/hd ( can´t remember well) .....
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It is not valid to compare these to the PlayStation refreshes, completely different.
draugaz said:
You don't need to. Each batch of chips results into some really good ones, a lot of "just average" and some "underperformers". Depending on business model the manufacturer could choose to sell them at several different speed grades (like Intel or AMD) or just scrap the underperformers and sell the rest as "average" (like [email protected]) even if some of them could actually clock higher.
As manufacturing process matures and gets tuned, you will start getting more and more really good ones. At some time you can produce enough of them to be able to introduce a new quicker grade.
It looks like qualcomm is still unable to produce enough of S4's and Sony is forced to scramble for stop gap solutions. "Warmed up" SXSL could be just one of them.
This is why manufacturers are using S4 only where they absolutely need to, for example because of requirement to support LTE. And even splash out a lot of cash for parallel and arguably worse hardware designs based on Tegra3 (HTC One X usa vs international). Or even roll back to S3 (htc one s in some markets).
This is why almost every new tablet comes with Tegra3 and almost none based on S4.
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You don't need S4 to support LTE. SG2 LTE has two or even one core...
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The xperia s was never an Ericsson in the first place
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av4tar said:
The xperia s was never an Ericsson in the first place
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Really? So I'm getting blured vision because headphones, charger, battery, manuals and anything else that I don't remember at this moment says "SONY ERICSSON".