Ok so I have been reading the forums for the past couple of weeks and have seen al of the bugs with gps(that i could care less about)and then I came across a wifi and Bluetooth bug. Where wifi drops to unusable levels when Bluetooth is in use. So my real question is is this a hardware or software problem and will it be usable to play online with a Bluetooth controller.
Thanks for your help.
cbyankees3 said:
Ok so I have been reading the forums for the past couple of weeks and have seen al of the bugs with gps(that i could care less about)and then I came across a wifi and Bluetooth bug. Where wifi drops to unusable levels when Bluetooth is in use. So my real question is is this a hardware or software problem and will it be usable to play online with a Bluetooth controller.
Thanks for your help.
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more so software issue. once Asus is really aware they can always change values or output strength of BT to where not interfering. there are people who using controller for onlive online play n have no issue. check out the game controllers thread in accessories section.
Its both a software and hardware issue, mostly coming from the wonderful metal casing...
If your looking to stream onlive and use a bluetooth controller, you will likely get a degraded stream of said game. But it should still work, just perhaps not as good quality (picture wise because of the wifi signal getting jumbled and the bluetooth controller may not be as responsive).
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1423180
Hello people,
This is not the normal complaint thread about WiFi and Bluetooth issues, so please don't flame without reading.
I have managed to reproduce and NOT reproduce the WiFi speed issues when streaming data or audio thru Bluetooth, and I have found a pattern.
I'm almost sure it is a Software issue. With the Prime running WiFi and Bluetooth over the same chip/antenna it is normal to have a speed drop when using both, but not to bring WiFi speed to a crawl (300kbps tops).
So, what I'm asking for is information about the Bluetooth device you are using, if you can give me brand and specific model better, the more information I have about the device the merrier
Second, I need information about your Wifi speed with stream and without stream or at leleast if you have major speed drops or your if Prime works well.
Ill be going this weekend to Saturn or something to try top-notch super expensive Bluetooth devices and see the results.
What is the pattern you found? It might explain why some people bt/wifi works fine and others dont.
demandarin said:
What is the pattern you found? It might explain why some people bt/wifi works fine and others dont.
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Something about the Bluetooth profile being used by the tablet when connecting to devices.
I posted some videos about my prime being able to stream HD video while listening to it through Bluetooth. And some speed tests while using my AKG 830BT headphones.
What was my surprise when using the cheaper Motorola DC800 Bluetooth receiver or headphones? The issue everyone was complaining about here, WiFi speeds of 150K... which of course is useless for anything but chatting.
Doing some research I've found out that those motorola devices use older BT versions (2.0) and one of them does not have HQ A2DP audio.
Long story made short, after testing a few of the BTdevices I own, I found out some of them cause issues while others not.
That's why I'm asking now here, users with and without issues to post their BT Device Models/Brand so I can search which BTprofiles are being used and if some of them are causing issues.
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Something about the Bluetooth profile being used by the tablet when connecting to devices.
I posted some videos about my prime being able to stream HD video while listening to it through Bluetooth. And some speed tests while using my AKG 830BT headphones.
What was my surprise when using the cheaper Motorola DC800 Bluetooth receiver or headphones? The issue everyone was complaining about here, WiFi speeds of 150K... which of course is useless for anything but chatting.
Doing some research I've found out that those motorola devices use older BT versions (2.0) and one of them does not have HQ A2DP audio.
Long story made short, after testing a few of the BTdevices I own, I found out some of them cause issues while others not.
That's why I'm asking now here, users with and without issues to post their BT Device Models/Brand so I can search which BTprofiles are being used and if some of them are causing issues.
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This makes sense though since it most likely is a hardware issue. A2DP is high bandwidth. The identified cause of our woes is the fact that wifi and bluetooth are on a single module. So when A2DP is being used, most of the modules time is used on bluetooth and less on wifi, thus slowing down speeds. The solution from ASUS was using RMAs to add another module so that one is dedicated to wifi and the other to bluetooth.
I could be wrong though.
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This makes sense though since it most likely is a hardware issue. A2DP is high bandwidth. The identified cause of our woes is the fact that wifi and bluetooth are on a single module. So when A2DP is being used, most of the modules time is used on bluetooth and less on wifi, thus slowing down speeds. The solution from ASUS was using RMAs to add another module so that one is dedicated to wifi and the other to bluetooth.
I could be wrong though.
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It would make sense, if it wasn't backwards!
The High Quality A2DP Profile audio is the one NOT killing my WiFi speeds. Every time my Prime connects to an older device using one of the other profiles the WiFi speeds go to hell.
Both WiFi/Bluetooth being in the same Module can cause speed drops, but not completely kill WiFi Speeds.
These are my speeds when using the AKGs Headphones:
No BT stream: 24.91 Mbps.
BT Audio streaming: 18.13 Mbps.
(video and stuff here)
That speed difference IS the one caused by both running on the same chip.
Same tablet, same router, but I change the headphones and the speed wont go past 150kbps. Doesnt matter if the prime is sitting on the router.
Anyways, I'm asking the people who was complaining about the speed (and those whose Primes do work)to feed some info, it is not like I'm gonna waste others time Ill do the research and tests. Just need a bigger data pool.
Go for it. Good luck
Sony DR-BT101 (headset, not an ear piece)
I was told by Asus they have a "fix" with new hardware if I wanted to RMA my device. I just don't know how effective the "fix" is.
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Go for it. Good luck
Sony DR-BT101 (headset, not an ear piece)
I was told by Asus they have a "fix" with new hardware if I wanted to RMA my device. I just don't know how effective the "fix" is.
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How bad is your WiFi loss, partial loss (normal from using WiFi/BT on same chip) or total, like going down to 150K~?
I have never measured as I just don't use the combo anymore. I know it happens, got frustrated, and use my wired ear buds after the first few weeks of owning the tablet. It does have the signal degrade though. The headset is about 2yrs old.
I can test it out when I get home. The work wifi is limited to 750kb download speeds per user.
I have a Netgear WNDR3700V1 with fibre 35/35mbit
Using the Plantronics BT300 headset the wifi drop to under 1 mbit or almost zero, YouTube buffers.
Without BT I have full speed above 30mbit at least.
The only way to "avoid buffering and dropouts" is to use a WN3000 Netgear Extender in same room where the Prime is.
This way I manage to listen to Youtube without drops.
So if the signal is still stron the loss is "not bad", but how many do have 35mbit up and down with fibre.
Those with low speed, will still have drops.
Why is it that once I connect to miracast it will disconnect from wifi? Is it hardware limitation or software bug? My Samsung note 2 can connect on both miracast and still maintain wifi connection.
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Why is it that once I connect to miracast it will disconnect from wifi? Is it hardware limitation or software bug? My Samsung note 2 can connect on both miracast and still maintain wifi connection.
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I believe that Sonys implementation of Miracast is wrong.
From what I read, Miracast it self allows for up to 10 connections and as you say your Samsung Galaxy Note 2 can handle both network connection and Miracast.
There's two threads at Sony's Xperia Forum that discuss this problem.
At first the Xperia Team said it was by design, but when several users explained that Samsung phones can have a Wifi connection active at the same time and that all Nexus phones running 4.2.2 could also handle this,
then the Xperia Team said that they would escalate the issue, but after that there has been no more feedback...
Here's the threads at Sony's Xperia Forum:
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/127452?start=0&tstart=0
http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/453753#453753
This is actually a really bad thing. I also purchased the push2tv system so could stream Netflix and YouTube from my tablet. No luck with that. My HTC one does it without problems.
I am starting to think that what if the random wifi disconnections are related and is because Sony uses only one antenna while there should be two.
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This is actually a really bad thing. I also purchased the push2tv system so could stream Netflix and YouTube from my tablet. No luck with that. My HTC one does it without problems.
I am starting to think that what if the random wifi disconnections are related and is because Sony uses only one antenna while there should be two.
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actually the tablet z uses MIMO and has 2 antennas. in my opinion it´s clearly a software restriction.
I had the same issue since i bought the dock and push2tv for the same reason. Unfortunately nothing so far. It is definitely a software problem as Sony seems to have fixed it with the Xperia Z Ultra. It works fine while still connected to wifi.
The Xperia Z disconnects also by the way.
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Is it a restriction on the S4, over Snapdragon 800? That could be why the Ultra (and then Honami) works.
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Is it a restriction on the S4, over Snapdragon 800? That could be why the Ultra (and then Honami) works.
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So it was not fixed with 4.2.2? LOL
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So it was not fixed with 4.2.2? LOL
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No. I have to assume it's a hardware restriction then, or Sony can't or won't fix it.
I am now using MHL, which seems like a far easier solution - although even that cuts the performance of the phone considerably. Epic Citadel can benchmark at around 59fps on the phone display, but output via HDMI and it drops things to 30-40fps.
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No. I have to assume it's a hardware restriction then, or Sony can't or won't fix it.
I am now using MHL, which seems like a far easier solution - although even that cuts the performance of the phone considerably. Epic Citadel can benchmark at around 59fps on the phone display, but output via HDMI and it drops things to 30-40fps.
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weird, some say it works on T, so why would XZ and XTZ be affected?
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weird, some say it works on T, so why would XZ and XTZ be affected?
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That's weird if it works on the T. I think this needs to be clarified. If it does, Sony really should be able to make it work, or else asked why they went backwards with the Z/TZ by changing the Wi-Fi specs/antennas.
I am going to go and check my Nexus 4 and see if that retains the connection. Previously I couldn't connect it to my TV but a new LG update on the TV has hopefully fixed things.
So did Sony really f*ck this up here. Unbelievable..I must say that I am so disappointed now. I was hoping to stream Netflix from the tablet.
Maybe I then have to get chromecast when available in Europe. I assume that it doesn't use miracast to do the streaming but likely it will stream on its own.
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So did Sony really f*ck this up here. Unbelievable..I must say that I am so disappointed now. I was hoping to stream Netflix from the tablet.
Maybe I then have to get chromecast when available in Europe. I assume that it doesn't use miracast to do the streaming but likely it will stream on its own.
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Right, just tried my Nexus 4 and it does keep the Wi-Fi connection. However, there's a lot more lag and the TV image doesn't quite keep up. What's more, the picture breaks up when it doesn't on the Xperia Z.
However, having an Internet connection does of course mean you can now stream TV and movies with Netflix or Google Play. Play crashed when playing a film though, and I have to say I didn't realise it could output a different screen. Netflix doesn't support this, and I'm not sure what else might (perhaps YouTube and other Google apps?).
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Forget it, guys.
This concept of streaming stuff from the tablet is going to fade anyway.
For Youtube, Netflix etc. simply shell out $35 and get a Chromecast.
Or buy a Raspberry Pi and make your own Chromecast-y device.
Or buy a Satellite receiver like the Vu+ Solo2 and use Airplayer plugin.
All these solutions have in common that the streaming happens on the other device, not the tablet, and therefore is simply more stable and reliable (especially when a wired network connection is used). The tablet is only a controller, a"chooser" for media. (That's also more battery-friendly, by the way.)
Yes I know it should keep the wifi connection. I am mirrorring with my HTC One and wifi doesn't disconnect.
Only problem with HTC One is that after using for an hour or so the phone will get so hot that I get some warning message about it.
So that much for watching a movie like that.
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Forget it, guys.
This concept of streaming stuff from the tablet is going to fade anyway.
For Youtube, Netflix etc. simply shell out $35 and get a Chromecast.
Or buy a Raspberry Pi and make your own Chromecast-y device.
Or buy a Satellite receiver like the Vu+ Solo2 and use Airplayer plugin.
All these solutions have in common that the streaming happens on the other device, not the tablet, and therefore is simply more stable and reliable (especially when a wired network connection is used). The tablet is only a controller, a"chooser" for media. (That's also more battery-friendly, by the way.)
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Yes thats basically the better way to do it. I also do have WDTV Live and I can basically use Youtube so that I control with tablet and play on the big screen. Unfortunately the software on WDTV Live is buggy as hell and it crashes every now and then.
Also for some reason Netflix doesn't have this similar possibility.
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Yes I know it should keep the wifi connection. I am mirrorring with my HTC One and wifi doesn't disconnect.
Only problem with HTC One is that after using for an hour or so the phone will get so hot that I get some warning message about it.
So that much for watching a movie like that.
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Yes thats basically the better way to do it. I also do have WDTV Live and I can basically use Youtube so that I control with tablet and play on the big screen. Unfortunately the software on WDTV Live is buggy as hell and it crashes every now and then.
Also for some reason Netflix doesn't have this similar possibility.
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I agree that the Chromecast way of doing things is the way forward for streaming services. However, I'd have liked to be able to play games without lag/dropped frames on the big-screen - and it seems that with or without the Wi-Fi connection staying open, the quality isn't quite there.
Maybe Snapdragon 800 improves this - and that could be something to sway me towards Honami - but perhaps Miracast will remain useful for showing off photo and videos stored locally (your own content) as a far better option than DLNA that rarely, if ever, works with modern video formats and resolutions.
Things like Miracast etc. are mostly used at home, where you have your TV or projector.
But at home it's not necessary to store the videos on a tablet and then stream them to the TV.
At home one has some kind of NAS from which the files are fetched.
I admit that for a long time I also thought about using the tablet as media hub / storage.
But if one thinks a bit about it and researches, it becomes obvious that much better and tried-and-tested options exist.
And for all other cases (like projecting different apps or playing a game on the big screen) the Tablet Z has a MHL/HDMI output, that's what it's for.
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And for all other cases (like projecting different apps or playing a game on the big screen) the Tablet Z has a MHL/HDMI output, that's what it's for.
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Even MHL slows the phone down, which must be a hardware limitation of the phone.
SlimPort is even worse. I don't know what sort of handshaking is carried out with that, but on my Nexus 4 when I was at CES I was on the stand of a company making them and we hooked my phone up to have the phone crash (even restarting on occasion) within seconds of connecting it.
I'd be interested to see if Snapdragon 800 has less problems with TV output, via Miracast or a cable - but the idea of using the smartphone as a remote to control streaming directly to a device (like a TV with a wired Internet connection) certainly makes sense. Google has once again come up with something great here, and it's probably totally the opposite of the direction Apple intends to take TV in the future.
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Hi guys, has anyone else had problems connecting their XTZ using miracast? I have the push2tv and my HTC One connects perfectly, but my Xperia tablet gives the error "Could not turn on screen mirroring. The output device does not support HDCP". It seems very strange as the tablet is listed the supported devices on Netgear's site.
I have the 312 version, and have the latest firmware on the push2tv.
this problem definitely not solved within 4.2 update. Dissapointing.
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This ist what I posted in the sony forum thread under talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Tablet-Z/Can-t-do-Screen-Mirroring-miracast-and-WiFi-connection/td-p/333179/page/3[/url]
Sooo, installed Cyanogenmod 10.2 (based on Android 4.3 which supports WiDi/Miracast natively) and see there:
WIDI/Miracast and the connection to my home WiFi Network work simultaneously.....!!!
So Sony, two lessons for you here:
1. Get of your collective ***** and get Android 4.3 going without nerfing perfectly fine core features
2. If you're going the forum/community way, provide correct information (aka really ask your developers) and don't spew half informed nonsense/play the information hiding game...
To everyone else here: give them ****, or they will never learn!
PS: Who wants to try, google Cyanogenmod ("Pollux" -for LTE variant- or "Pollux_Windy" -for WiFi only variant-). Warning!: Possible Warranty void when flashing custom ROMS
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=> SW Issue !!!
Hi I was wondering how the wifi is as I heard and read that the speed and strength is not that good, but wondering if other people had the same or different experience.
No issue with The WiFi,my range and speed are good. So far it's working better then all my previous device.razer phone,moto z force ,lgv20,lgv20 .A good router supporting ac or ad will go a long way.
Thank you!
Hi All, seeking any insight into the above issue. When recording video, the audio is so important, and a dedicated mic is required. I cannot seem to get definitive info on this issue - phone specs do not state if ext mics are supported - and my reading is that the Mate 9 cannot support a ext mic (the native camera app has no such options to grab audio from an ext mic). Do any of the other Mates support ext mic? Anyone having such a setup be so kind to share their experience and equipment and settings?
I'm also gathering the video in our Mate series leaves us a bit wanting - I know my Mate 9 in FHD 30fps exhibits jelly and its embarrassing - I read it may have something to do with having the video stabilisation switched ON (so the IS is not exactly doing a great job, so need to turn it off). The colours and brightness is all great enough but the jelly is just deal breaker. Am trying to work with the video camera's limitations esp what speed to pan/move the camera to avoid the jelly. Failing this, will seek to move to LG V-series or any others known for better video (I feel video is the bigger requirement for me, all cams are now pretty much on par w photos really, so not fussed w photos).
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I am using Shure with Mate 20 pro via USB C Port. And it works awesome as it records Stereo sound with the default app.
https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/microphones/mv88plus