hello everybody =) i wonder, can we somehow install windows mobile 7 os on the x10 mini?? because I really love the UI and all the rest of this os...I just installed an app which makes the home screen look like the wm7 one but I really want to "wipe out" android =) any suggestion?
Beggy90 said:
hello everybody =) i wonder, can we somehow install windows mobile 7 os on the x10 mini?? because I really love the UI and all the rest of this os...I just installed an app which makes the home screen look like the wm7 one but I really want to "wipe out" android =) any suggestion?
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I don't have the technical expertise to rule it out completely, but seeing as the MINIMUM hardware requirements for WP7 are far above the Mini's capabilities, I'd say it's extremely unlikely.
[email protected] said:
I don't have the technical expertise to rule it out completely, but seeing as the MINIMUM hardware requirements for WP7 are far above the Mini's capabilities, I'd say it's extremely unlikely.
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Many said that even android 2.3 wouldn't run on x10 mini/x8 but there are lots of roms =) the fact is different though, I know....if I know how to compile a wm7 rom I would do it by myself but I don't have such knowledge =)
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Many said that even android 2.3 wouldn't run on x10 mini/x8 but there are lots of roms =) the fact is different though, I know....if I know how to compile a wm7 rom I would do it by myself but I don't have such knowledge =)
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I think that had more to do with SE totally locking down the bootloader than hardware requirements. Could be wrong though.
In any case, if it can be made to work, it only results in more options for us, which is always a good thing IMO. So here's hoping...
Food for thought: Adobe has made it so their Flash player only works on ARM7+ chips. Wonder if MS has/can do the same? Wouldn't that totally lock us out?
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I think that had more to do with SE totally locking down the bootloader than hardware requirements. Could be wrong though.
In any case, if it can be made to work, it only results in more options for us, which is always a good thing IMO. So here's hoping...
Food for thought: Adobe has made it so their Flash player only works on ARM7+ chips. Wonder if MS has/can do the same? Wouldn't that totally lock us out?
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nono he is right they said the mini's hardware wasn't good enough
and no we cant have WP7 we have locked bootloader
sooooo..... for now when we have unlocked bootloader what about WP7 on our phones? is that possible for now?
But the bootloaders were unlocked (unofficially) on here...what's missing? I don't get it...
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But the bootloaders were unlocked (unofficially) on here...what's missing? I don't get it...
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I think (but I`m not an expert, I`m not even a developer) that our phone has too weak parameters. But somebody could try it and let us know how it works or even not works.
After using android, why jump?
Related
I recently found a brilliant new rom for the desire and nexus one.
Its called Miui, and its kind of a mix from different platforms, but still based on android 2.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-9T44Bt7M
It has some amazing features, and it would be great for a port to be made for our age old Hero
Is a port actually possible?
Thanks
It looks really nice, but it will almost be impossible, because of the different hardware..
I also really want the ROM on my Hero
Maybe a lot of people do and even want to donate for it.
I'm just saying...
Yeah, looks nice
I looked at their webpage, good thing that chrome has auto-translate option
It would be great to see that on my Hero.
cheers
brat.haneq
thats one beautifull rom!!
think my old hero would evaporate if it tried to run that!
So is it possible?
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So is it possible?
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nope... not as we know it right now
Calico5 said:
nope... not as we know it right now
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well, We can't say anything... here are lot's of thing going on that we didn't think was possible.. besofe, some senior members told that 2.2 stable is almost impossilbe for hero, so same for hero sense.. but now, everything is going possible
so lets hope, developers look at this and make this done
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well, We can't say anything... here are lot's of thing going on that we didn't think was possible.. besofe, some senior members told that 2.2 stable is almost impossilbe for hero, so same for hero sense.. but now, everything is going possible
so lets hope, developers look at this and make this done
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i was saying a port of the current MiUi rom wasnt possible, it could possibly be re-designed for Hero hardware... but the devs would know best
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i was saying a port of the current MiUi rom wasnt possible, it could possibly be re-designed for Hero hardware... but the devs would know best
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yes, we can do notthing other than to hope
Well there's a guy on the miui-dev forums saying that if he'll get it booted and working it someone can get it to mdpi resolution.. but how possible that is I'm not sure.
Link: http://miui-dev.com/forums/showthread.php?226-How-to-Port-to-HTC-HERO-CDMA
i also would like to see this on Hero, but... i doubt it could be due to hardware like mentioned before. but, ya never know!
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Well there's a guy on the miui-dev forums saying that if he'll get it booted and working it someone can get it to mdpi resolution.. but how possible that is I'm not sure.
Link: http://miui-dev.com/forums/showthread.php?226-How-to-Port-to-HTC-HERO-CDMA
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OMG!!!!! that post just made my day, i check daily to see if theres any news the action to get this to the hero!!! And now theres a shimmering light off in the distance of someone willing to do it!!!!! Thanks to Him!!!! lol
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Well there's a guy on the miui-dev forums saying that if he'll get it booted and working it someone can get it to mdpi resolution.. but how possible that is I'm not sure.
Link: http://miui-dev.com/forums/showthread.php?226-How-to-Port-to-HTC-HERO-CDMA
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that makes me happy, haha
I think maybe there's a developer out there who want to make a MIUI lokk alike ROM for htc hero
I hope
MIUI says it won't do this work on hero because Hero's resolution is too low
Can we expect to see a Windows 7 ROM for the hero ? or does it not work like that ?????
Seeing as though you have nearly 200 posts, you should know that this should have gone in GENERAL or QnA. Please remember this for next time.
As for Windows Phone on an Android handset,... Never,... as it is not open source. I'm pretty sure that is the only answer you will get.
my bad,, sorry about that,, thanks for the answer...
Would be cool though :b
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Seeing as though you have nearly 200 posts, you should know that this should have gone in GENERAL or QnA. Please remember this for next time.
As for Windows Phone on an Android handset,... Never,... as it is not open source apparently. I'm pretty sure that is the only answer you will get.
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Well you got almost 1000 posts and still you say "never"....no such thing at XDA.
I remember ppl saying that Android would "never" be ported to WM phones...guess what!
only snapdragons are supported currently, xda is amazing but they can't turn an armv6 into an armv7 with a finger snap
ya know, i get the fact that winmo has been completely redesigned etc. but .. ionno , if idd have the option to choose betwen android and winmo i would totally stick with android ^_^
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Seeing as though you have nearly 200 posts, you should know that this should have gone in GENERAL or QnA. Please remember this for next time.
As for Windows Phone on an Android handset,... Never,... as it is not open source. I'm pretty sure that is the only answer you will get.
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the only way it could be done is via virtual machine i *BELEIVE*. Youll need a powerful ass phone though to manage it, any phone in existance couldnt run it properly via vm due to requirements of additional power for virtualisation.
come to think of it, i dont know if any phone processor suports virtualisation...
Until VM Ware for mobiles gets released? I should Google that again, haven't seen any updates in a while.
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I remember ppl saying that Android would "never" be ported to WM phones...guess what!
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Yes well android is open source and can be modified. And even then, this was only done on a WinMo device very similar to an android one.
You can look at it by comparing Macs with PCs. Can you install windows on Macs? No! Why? Because Apple won't make hardware property drivers for Windows. The same here with Android and Winmo7. When HTC will release new phone with Winmo7 devs on xda will be able to port it to similar device with similar hardware, so drivers are more or less compatible. So I agree with ddotpatel that Hero won't have running Winmo7.
On another hand technically it is possible by using reverse engineering, but that is the hell of the work so I don't think someone can do that.
... or HTC have full stock of Hero hardware which they can't sell so to reduce costs they decide to design new model with Hero hardware running Winmo7. I personally think Hero could handle Winmo7 without problems.
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You can look at it by comparing Macs with PCs. Can you install windows on Macs?
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yes you can
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... or HTC have full stock of Hero hardware which they can't sell so to reduce costs they decide to design new model with Hero hardware running Winmo7. I personally think Hero could handle Winmo7 without problems.
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winmo7 has strict hardware requirements, MS would never allow it to be run on a low end phone like Hero.
Thread moved to Q&A.
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You can look at it by comparing Macs with PCs. Can you install windows on Macs? No! Why? Because Apple won't make hardware property drivers for Windows.
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You can.
Ps I see someone beat me
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You can.
Ps I see someone beat me
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Yeah, well, both of you did not get the point. I'm not talking about new macs who come now pre-installed with windows. I was talking about old times back when macs where only available with iOS and it was kinda cold war between macs and pcs.
Hey, you probably heard that WP7 has been ported on HD2.
Well, that's a great start. But I think we can try it out... Even it would be a lot buggy or slow or anything else... I think if we contact DFT (Dark Forces Team) they might help us out... I know it's near impossible (because of our ARMv6 CPU. == WP7 needs an ARMv7 CPU which HD2 has it.) But it's not impossible completely... Let's do something about it... What do you say devs?
I'm just waiting for the hackers team is to discuss about this. Because I am only new person in the world PHONE.
im will suporter to u all
Come on ,it will be great to run wp7 on topaz
Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a port for the Topaz, and I'd probly try it out... But I'm looking forward to the cracking of WP7 on WP7 phones so that I can upgrade to a new phone and not be stuck with that horrible start screen
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I appreciate that... But as I mentioned above, it's near impossible... Not completely. Your'e right... Topaz has ARMv6 processor... WP7 requires ARMv7. But i'm talking about experiencing it on Topaz... By the way, I agree with oldness of Topaz... I'm gonna buy a Desire HD
It's wishfull thinking and never going to happen. The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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And wouldn't that be great!!!!
That ain't true I find that the ui from wp7 is lite and simple. This can easily be ported to our devices with a little magic. But The part of windows live games or xbox live is the part that our devices cant handle. Our devices aren't old they where made cheap by htc and att to cover some sectors of the market. But our devices could have been easily been made with the same stuff as hd2, as few months passed since each launched.
The ui is simpler than ours and faster I think it could be done......just that I need to finish studying by then to make this. And I don't think of waiting is another great idea. As we are shadowed by what could have been if we had a twin processor to hd2's. But, we bought this and I find it great!
And please respect each other!!!!!
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
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I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
wp7 requires ARMv7 instruction set on cpu. but topaz is just ARMv6 i think. that's why I think it's not possible
Moreover, why would you want WP7? The only thing it has going for it is that it runs smoothly and doesn't crash, which it would NOT do if someone did manage to port it. Better off building skins over 6.5.x; that way you could at least retain functionality...
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
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I am waiting, good luck man
Black.Heart said:
I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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I agree. I'm moving to iPhone 4 or Sensation or EVO 3D...
from http://galaxys2.samsungmobile.com/html/feature.html it looks like it won't be...
On Device Encryption
Play it safe with a security solution that enables the protection of mobile data without the need to sacrifice speed and functionality. The Samsung GALAXY S II is the first Android smartphone to adopt powerful encrypted hardware, minimizing the use of security software and applying encryption technology to the hardware itself, greatly accelerating security protection and achieving superior performance
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this looks like a bit of a deal-breaker given samsungs poor update schedule.
I really hope they're not talking about an encrypted bootloader, although I seriously doubt they would state that as a feature.
sold my n8 1 month back and waiting for s2 with nokia 6300 and 3120 classic in my hand. so its better to wait buddy
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from http://galaxys2.samsungmobile.com/html/feature.html it looks like it won't be...
this looks like a bit of a deal-breaker given samsungs poor update schedule.
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This is about the functionality targeted at improving security for integrated business applications.
However, The issue as I see it is that if they do not also lock bootloader and ability to install custom root-level stuff out using hardware encryption, then any hardware encryption of user-space stuff is pointless. I predict they either lock it, or if they're clever, to diffuse hackers and modders interest in cracking the encryption they might allow you to unlock it at cost of removing the ability to integrate with business apps. (or other way around or poss with a sandbox of some kind)
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I predict they either lock it, or if they're clever, to diffuse hackers and modders interest in cracking the encryption they might allow you to unlock it at cost of removing the ability to integrate with business apps
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of those two options, which one offers the fastest turnaround to market, so therefore cheaper to produce and faster to make money from? i wouldn't doubt samsung to completely lock this.
which imo goes against androids openness. you may as well have a custom crappy samsung operating system on it that's semi-compatible with android.
i thought google wanted to clamp down on skins completely? or is that just for tablets?
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of those two options, which one offers the fastest turnaround to market, so therefore cheaper to produce and faster to make money from? i wouldn't doubt samsung to completely lock this.
which imo goes against androids openness. you may as well have a custom crappy samsung operating system on it that's semi-compatible with android.
i thought google wanted to clamp down on skins completely? or is that just for tablets?
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It's true that it's probably cheaper, but at the same time not as many will buy it, so in the end it might be a loss to them.
Of course it will be flashable...theres nothing we cant set free on xda... ..really...dont worry about it.
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Of course it will be flashable...theres nothing we cant set free on xda... ..really...dont worry about it.
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I'm assuming you don't own a Milestone or a Droid X
Guys could it be possible that s2 might have nand lock plus encrypted bootloader? Any ideas?
If it is the case then it will spell lotz of trouble for us as then even rooting will be a trouble....
And if by encrypted hardware.....does that mean that it will be difficult to find suitable drivers which will make cheating the bootloader difficult and also voids the kexec method employed in bypassing the x10 bootloader?
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Of course it will be flashable...theres nothing we cant set free on xda... ..really...dont worry about it.
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Or an atrix.......
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I gave a look at xda threads of those two phones. Everything you can dream of is availlable (last RC4 of cyanogenmod 7, among a lot of other roms).
For what I understood, the only real issue is modified kernels?
If this is the kind of limitation we are talking about, that's fine with me.
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I gave a look at xda threads of those two phones. Everything you can dream of is availlable (last RC4 of cyanogenmod 7, among a lot of other roms).
For what I understood, the only real issue is modified kernels?
If this is the kind of limitation we are talking about, that's fine with me.
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Without kernel voodoo sound, bln, etc are not possible.
qsdf55 said:
I gave a look at xda threads of those two phones. Everything you can dream of is availlable (last RC4 of cyanogenmod 7, among a lot of other roms).
For what I understood, the only real issue is modified kernels?
If this is the kind of limitation we are talking about, that's fine with me.
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No custom kernels is a HUGE problem. Kernels are written for specific android versions. You can't run Android 2.3 (or even 2.2) on a 2.1 kernel (we had this problem with the motorola milestone). This means you have to wait till the manufacturer starts developing or else you are STUCK. So really, it is a huge limitation. Also, if the manufacturer doesn't support things like a swap partition, you will never be able to get it.
I'm not a fan of doing spam threads.
But I was wondering.. our dev's are really badass&awesome.
I'm a big fan of our X10 & tried many ROMs (android 2.2, MIUI, SDK 3.0 etc.)
And I was wondering, if is possible to make a WP7 version for X10.
So for dev's, please make my wish come true
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I'm not a fan of doing spam threads.
But I was wondering.. our dev's are really badass&awesome.
I'm a big fan of our X10 & tried many ROMs (android 2.2, MIUI, SDK 3.0 etc.)
And I was wondering, if is possible to make a WP7 version for X10.
So for dev's, please make my wish come true
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I am not a developer, but I think I can safely say that
this is definitely not possible at the moment
and probably it will never be possible.
There are hardware restrictions as well as software.
Plus, the most important: the locked bootloader makes it all the more improbable.
Remember: it's been by-passed, not unlocked.
I hope we will see WP7 on our X10 in the future
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I hope we will see WP7 on our X10 in the future
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As I said, I wouldn't count on that.
But I am sure that even more great phones with WP7 will show up in the future,
so you could easily jump ship and get "the full experience".
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As I said, I wouldn't count on that.
But I am sure that even more great phones with WP7 will show up in the future,
so you could easily jump ship and get "the full experience".
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It's this kind of negative attitude that makes everything seem bleak.
I'm sure one day the bootloader will be cracked or unlocked.
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It's this kind of negative attitude that makes everything seem bleak.
I'm sure one day the bootloader will be cracked or unlocked.
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Can't wait for that day!
The bootloader loads the operating system. So a cracked bootloader will be needed to be able to load windows phone 7.
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It's this kind of negative attitude that makes everything seem bleak.
I'm sure one day the bootloader will be cracked or unlocked.
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I am not being negative in any way.
I've had this phone for one year now
and I've watched the developers' effort to crack the
bootloader very closely.
The by-pass was a great achievement and most of the
developer's are working on these terms now,
a few if none are still trying for a complete crack.
That's realistic, not negative.
Besides, even if the bootloader actually gets cracked,
still the answer to the OP's question would probably still be NO.
Adjusting and configuring a totally different OS to run on a device
that initially ran another is pretty difficult and even if it can be done,
I am not sure if any developer would go through the trouble.
But since you asked for positivity instead of a reasonable answer,
I am changing mine to:
"YES! Of course this is possible, anything is possible!
Sit back and wait for the bootloader to be cracked.
Shouldn't take too long now! We are almost there!!!
WOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!
*birds, butterflies, rainbows and a thousand happy smilies*"
you killed me there.
@My_Immortal
*cough* HD2 *cough*
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@My_Immortal
*cough* HD2 *cough*
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*cough* one phone made it *cough* hundreds of others didn't *cough*
All I am saying is that the answer at the moment is no.
And it doesn't look all that good about the future.
Is really all I'm saying. I would like to be proven wrong, of course.
It would be actually one of the few times that I'd actually enjoy it!