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Fair warning: I've never rooted a phone before. I've dabbled in ADB with my nook color, but am far from comfortable with it. I installed Honeycomb on the nook color, then decided to just go simple with autonooter.
Now, I'm thinking of rooting my new Thunderbolt. Mostly because I'd like to get rid of all of the bloatware and try to get all of the performance out of my phone as I can get. After having the Droid1 for a couple of years, I do not want to see my phone get laggy like my D1 did.
So here come the beginner questions: once I root the phone, I know I need to get ROM Manager and Titanium Backup. Those apps will let me be able to get back all of my data and preferences, etc once I switch ROMs right?
What else will I need after rooting? Is it a simple process to flash a new ROM?
Can anyone suggest a (mostly) stock ROM that just gets rid of the bloatware and gives the phones performance a boost?
Also, does a rooted phone require a lot of maintenance? For instance, will I have to be updating ROMS often? Also, if an OTA comes out for non-rooted phones, do these updates get worked into the ROMs quickly? I dont want to be without a necessary update, ya know?
Last question: Once I root my phone, should I just cancel the insurance on the phone? Or does "voiding the warranty" only mean that VZW wont fix it for free?
Thanks!
First off, I highly recommend following this rooting method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616 and not using the easy root method. If you have any problems at all, you can log into http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951190 and get some help. I also highly recommend reading up a bit on ADB, what it is and how it works http://www.xda-developers.com/android/adb-easy-tutorial/
Then...once you get rooted use ROM Manager to flash the clockworkmod recovery. In ROM Manager there's a little fix that everyone's been doing: open ROM Manager, menu>clear download cache, then settings>erase recovery. Then do your backup before you do anything else like flashing another ROM. Use Titanium to backup all your apps. I recommend the paid versions of both since you will be using them a lot.
Added: What I usually do the first time: Root, backup rom, install debloated rom, set everything up like I want it and then backup again. Each time I flash a new ROM, I create a backup of it all set up and with the name so that I can easily switch back and forth. I like change
The basic debloat rom is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000103
It's easy to flash a new ROM, just download the one you want, put it on your sdcard and then use ROM Manager to 'install from sdcard'
You are going to be flashing ROMs left and right because they come out so fast. Each time an update is out, it'll be put into a ROM and released for all of us here so that you stay current. Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
I would not recommend getting rid of your insurance, it is different than the warranty and you can get your phone replaced if it's ever damaged. I've used it 3 times now all on rooted phones. It indeed will void the warranty.
Happy rooting!
^ +1. I did use the easy root method and had no problems with it but it is truly still hit or miss. I am sure it will get better as more developers start pushing new stuff out.
Good luck
Thanks for the reply!
Why dont you recommend using the easy root method that I've been reading so much about? I realize it has some faults, but I'm planning on waiting until an updated version comes out. I'm a bit afraid to brick my phone while trying to root the phone myself.
Also, after rooting, how can i do a backup of my apps? Doesnt rooting wipe all of the data on my phone?
Learning ADB would be helpful...I must admit, I am an easy root junkie. I just don't have the time to learn ADB. Maybe someday that will change.
Rooting will wipe your phone and I use Titanium Backup to back up my apps. It does make it a lot easier once you start flashing ROMs on a daily basis
Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Thanks! After watching a video of someone rooting, I think I will be able to do the non-easy method.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
Zalyia38 said:
This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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Thanks.
So to answer my previous question: When rooting, I'm still going to lose all of my current information including apps, sms, etc. However, its good to backup my phone before installing the debloated rom.
Is that correct?
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
CorporateGoth said:
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
pman555 said:
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
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you don't open the files. The exploit one is the one you unpackage to your tools directory. The other you will put on your sdcard when told too. you can join #root and get help if you want.
as far as apps, the market 'should' reload all your apps when you wipe data just give it time. Then use titanium to back them all up.
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
Capt.D said:
Even better call it the Original Root Method........
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I like that one
jawonder said:
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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ADB is learning what you are doing to your phone instead of letting a program do it for you. Copy/paste is just so there are no typos if you don't feel as comfortable typing it all out. I recommend reading up on ADB so that you have a bit of knowledge of what you are doing.
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
Irish Whiskey said:
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
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Titanium backup only works after you're rooted.
You can use a program like Mybackup Pro to backup stuff like sms mms, etc.
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App
As a first time rooter myself, I ended up doing the original root process. The well written instructions helped me not to feel paranoid and I breezed through the steps. While, I was confident in rooting the phone because of the instructions, I don't feel so confident post root because I don't know how to do many of the elements like flash roms, kernels, apply mods, etc. So my question is, are there any guides for flashing new roms and the steps taken before and after? For instance, let's say I wanted to flash adrynalyne's no bloat rom, and his mod package, how do I go about doing it? Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Zalyia38 said:
Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
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If I root and remove bloatware manually, will OTA updates occur automatically, or do I have the option of blocking them. Would they re-install all of the bloatware I removed?
Ok.
My phone apparently hates me ... but I can't figure out where the hell I'm going wrong.
I had 1.57 on my phone, rooted. I did the OTA update to 1.83. Then I ran Gingerbreak. After rooting, I put Greyblur on my phone, so I thought I had root access since SystemRestore ran.
I now have root, theoretically ... but I can't see half the files that I used to be able to (when I mount /system as r/w I can't write to it ...). [edit]Also, I can't "adb shell mount" ... I can push/pull files from the /system directory, but I can't edit them directly either through RootExplorer or "adb shell; $su" etc.[/edit]
I can't see user data in my files; it looks like TitaniumBackup can, since it's creating backup files, but I don't trust that it's actually getting all my user data.
I want to redo my phone from scratch, but I'm worried I won't be able to actually save all my user data/databases/etc from programs ... things that say they save to the sdcard on this seem to save to /mnt/sdcard on the Atrix (not sdcard-ext)... which is actually the internal memory of the phone, not the removable sdcard (AFAICT).
Any chance anyone can help with this? Or do I have to just try to back up what I can, reflash to 1.26, root, "beforeupdate", update to 1.57, "after update", 1.83, gingerbreak, and hope for the best?
Any help is appreciated. Very valuable help will be rewarded with beer donations, etc.
Thanks in advance.
ViperFUD said:
things that say they save to the sdcard on this seem to save to /mnt/sdcard on the Atrix (not sdcard-ext)... which is actually the internal memory of the phone, not the removable sdcard (AFAICT).
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This question is being asked allot lately. You kind of answered it yourself in a literal way: As far as your phone is concerned, you are transferring the files to sd. Your not using the apps2extsd app (because it doesn't exist afaik). I know thats only one part of your question, hope you get the answers you need.
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This question is being asked allot lately. You kind of answered it yourself in a literal way: As far as your phone is concerned, you are transferring the files to sd. Your not using the apps2extsd app (because it doesn't exist afaik). I know thats only one part of your question, hope you get the answers you need.
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Right ... and the point of this is that if I remove my (physical) SD Card to preserve my files, it won't actually do anything because it's the INTERNAL memory that has my files/databases/etc.
Again, there's a bounty on solving this problem for me ... hopefully people look at this thread
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Right ... and the point of this is that if I remove my (physical) SD Card to preserve my files, it won't actually do anything because it's the INTERNAL memory that has my files/databases/etc.
Again, there's a bounty on solving this problem for me ... hopefully people look at this thread
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I think you missed the point. Apps2sd is not to "preserve" anything, but for phones lacking enough memory to install the apps users want. We are lucky with the Atrix. We will probably never fill it up to the point we cant install anymore apps, but other phones have that problem. This is the purpose of apps2sd. If you want preservation use TiBU. Again I know this was only part of your question and wish you luck in finding the solutions you need.
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I think you missed the point. Apps2sd is not to "preserve" anything, but for phones lacking enough memory to install the apps users want. We are lucky with the Atrix. We will probably never fill it up to the point we cant install anymore apps, but other phones have that problem. This is the purpose of apps2sd. If you want preservation use TiBU. Again I know this was only part of your question and wish you luck in finding the solutions you need.
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Yeah, I have/use TiBU (PRO) ... what I am not sure of is:
1. If I flash the 1.26 sbf to my phone, will the TiBU backups get deleted from my internal memory? Or do I need to save them to my PC first (will probably do this anyway).
2. If I later reinstall from my TiBU backups, will all my saved games, program databases, etc, also be imported back onto the phone?
3. Are there other files that I need that I'd want to back up, but I won't be able to because I don't really have root?
4. How can I be certain that I actually have root access, and not some half-assed root access that Moto/ATT let me have while hiding full system access?
5. Why can I no longer mount my /system folder as r/w, along with not being able to see /system/data?
That's all, I think.
Thanks.
Best,
Viper
ViperFUD said:
Yeah, I have/use TiBU (PRO) ... what I am not sure of is:
1. If I flash the 1.26 sbf to my phone, will the TiBU backups get deleted from my internal memory? Or do I need to save them to my PC first (will probably do this anyway).
2. If I later reinstall from my TiBU backups, will all my saved games, program databases, etc, also be imported back onto the phone?
3. Are there other files that I need that I'd want to back up, but I won't be able to because I don't really have root?
4. How can I be certain that I actually have root access, and not some half-assed root access that Moto/ATT let me have while hiding full system access?
5. Why can I no longer mount my /system folder as r/w, along with not being able to see /system/data?
That's all, I think.
Thanks.
Best,
Viper
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Back them up to your PC. SBF shouldn't clear your external/internal SD card, but most will wipe /data/ partition which contains all of the app settings and data.
They should be, yes.
Anything you can backup, you should. I'm not sure what you mean by you "don't really have root." Check for Superuser in your app drawer. If it's not there, install it. Gingerbreak/Gingerblur delete a LOT of stuff when you use them. I personally avoid them for this very reason.
There's no such thing as "half-assed root access." You either have it, or you don't. Make sure the su binary is in /system/bin and that you have Superuser.apk installed and listed in your app drawer.
What error messages is it giving you when you try?
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Back them up to your PC. SBF shouldn't clear your external/internal SD card, but most will wipe /data/ partition which contains all of the app settings and data.
They should be, yes.
Anything you can backup, you should. I'm not sure what you mean by you "don't really have root." Check for Superuser in your app drawer. If it's not there, install it. Gingerbreak/Gingerblur delete a LOT of stuff when you use them. I personally avoid them for this very reason.
There's no such thing as "half-assed root access." You either have it, or you don't. Make sure the su binary is in /system/bin and that you have Superuser.apk installed and listed in your app drawer.
What error messages is it giving you when you try?
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1. I planned to
2. That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.
3. I have Superuser, and TiBU and RootEx both think they have root.
4. See #3; however, I couldn't do some stuff I wanted to (like edit /system/etc/hosts. Also, i figured out why i couldn't find "/system/data/" ... because I'm an idiot and i should've been looking for /data/system/ !)
5. Well, now it's working. Very Strange. RootEx force closed on me, and when it reopened it's now working.
WTF man.
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1. I planned to
2. That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.
3. I have Superuser, and TiBU and RootEx both think they have root.
4. See #3; however, I couldn't do some stuff I wanted to (like edit /system/etc/hosts. Also, i figured out why i couldn't find "/system/data/" ... because I'm an idiot and i should've been looking for /data/system/ !)
5. Well, now it's working. Very Strange. RootEx force closed on me, and when it reopened it's now working.
WTF man.
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Sometimes TiBu and RootExplorer need to be restarted for root to take place. I'd say at this point (If you haven't already.), give your phone a reboot. That might smooth any other issues out.
Ririal said:
Sometimes TiBu and RootExplorer need to be restarted for root to take place. I'd say at this point (If you haven't already.), give your phone a reboot. That might smooth any other issues out.
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Thanks man.
I sent you a beer
I'm thinking about trying GladAtrix (ZOMG you made that) instead of GreyBlur, but I wanted to make sure I wouldn't lose all my **** when I flashed back to 1.8.3.
Best,
Viper
ViperFUD said:
Thanks man.
I sent you a beer
I'm thinking about trying GladAtrix (ZOMG you made that) instead of GreyBlur, but I wanted to make sure I wouldn't lose all my **** when I flashed back to 1.8.3.
Best,
Viper
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Look for the service SBF for 1.83. There's two versions, one that wipes /data and one that doesn't. If you use the one that doesn't (I have SEVERAL times), you should be good to go.
Ririal said:
Look for the service SBF for 1.83. There's two versions, one that wipes /data and one that doesn't. If you use the one that doesn't (I have SEVERAL times), you should be good to go.
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Ririal,
Sorry to bug you again, but is this the SBF you are using? It was the only 1.8.3 sbf I could find ....
Thanks.
ViperFUD said:
Ririal,
Sorry to bug you again, but is this the SBF you are using? It was the only 1.8.3 sbf I could find ....
Thanks.
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I think that's the same one, but just to be safe use this one here: http://gititbit.ch/sbf7
EDIT: bookmark http://gitbrew.org/atrix has pretty much everything all in one place
hello
i just bought this phone a couple hours ago
tell me did i mess up? i can't find any roms, kernels, or recoveries for this phone.
i've spent the last couple hours searching for any info and haven't found even a little.
i have it rooted with superoneclick, i can't adb push any files though, like the UOT kitchen files.
any help would be greatly appreciated
This phone!
Its not bad a phone but its just sluggish and yeah i have been trying to find ROMS and BUILDS for this phone. Someone make something please:
well i found a forum for this phone model, not much info available yet, except confirmed rooting...
http://androidforums.com/samsung-gravity-smart/
Awe man well at least im hoping there is someone who has this device and is willing to make a rom!
Not a bad phone but it needs to be cleaned up badly.
Over clocking it does help it a lot.
I have just rooted my gravity smart, but still can't uninstall telenav and others...did I do something wrong? I watched the video, and followed the steps, it was VERY easy, install, click root, pretty much. Still need to get rid of all the junk apps...
Hi Guys i just wanted to be part of this thread for updates. My lil sister has one of these and I wanted to get more info. Ill be on the look out as well and keep you guys posted.
emailed koush asking to port CWM recovery for us
lightsycle said:
I have just rooted my gravity smart, but still can't uninstall telenav and others...did I do something wrong? I watched the video, and followed the steps, it was VERY easy, install, click root, pretty much. Still need to get rid of all the junk apps...
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did it install superuser and busybox?
does titanium backup ask for superuser permissions?
careful what u uninstall
i removed a few apps that i shouldnt have
I would love some development on this phone.. hopefully someone cares enough. I've rooted with Super One Click, but now trying to overclock.. any thoughts? Can't use SetCPU or others..
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I would love some development on this phone.. hopefully someone cares enough. I've rooted with Super One Click, but now trying to overclock.. any thoughts? Can't use SetCPU or others..
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until we get a different kernel developed, we can't overclock the cpu.
the stock kernel doesn't have support for overclocking.
at least from what i'm understanding anyway.
we can raise the floor but not the roof.
yes the superuser and other box thing got installed, and I saw the super user, but when I run it there is no apps in it...do you use the other one to uninstall things?
Yes BusyBox both got installed.
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yes the superuser and other box thing got installed, and I saw the super user, but when I run it there is no apps in it...do you use the other one to uninstall things?
Yes BusyBox both got installed.
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from what i'm interpreting...
superuser is the administrator or babysitter
busybox is the interpreter or the middle man
to unistall programs, such as system apps, which i wouldnt do until we have a ROM or RECOVERY available, i use titanium backup.
note that when u back up a system app, it only backs up the information file, not the app itself...
so if u uninstall it and want it back, youre screwed basically.. probably not completely, but pretty much. i learned this the hard way.
now, if you backup a user app, it saves the app itself.. unlike system apps.
just use titanium backup and "FREEZE" the system apps you don't want, for now.
please don't uninstall them.
infact, if anyone could get me a copy of the 3d gallery and music app that comes with this phone, i'd be much appreciated.
i hope this helps you.
i've asked around for some help porting a recovery, no replies yet
Recovery
Any responses yet? :l
Im actually happy you are doing something about this
Much oblige
Freeze First..
I used Titanium backup pro to freeze unwanted files first and let that be for a day or so after a couple of reboots. Then I uninstalled what was not needed. Baby steps here is my best recommendation since the first time I did this I bricked my phone. I also had an email into Kousch but to no avail.
Keep Moving Forward,
DragonSeeeker
unrooting?
I'm kind of a noob at this but can I unroot this device so I won't void the warranty?
Also. Anyone have all the apks of all the apps this phone came with?
I would greatly appreciate it!
i wish i had dumped the system folder before i started uninstalling apps myself...
maybe someone who hasnt uninstalled anything yet would post a link to a dump of the /system/app/ folder with the apks for us...
if someone was willing to do this for us, i'd recommend a factory reset prior to dumping the files
Hey guys! I got this phone as a warranty replacement for my Cliq (WORST PHONE EVER). I was excited at first cause it worked much faster and came w/ 2.2. But now it seems like this is the develpment communities step child! Where are all the devs???? Anyway, I'm a totall beginner when it comes to Android development. I have not yet rooted, and would be happy to provide you guys with anything if it means bringing some life to the development of this phone. Let me know what I can do!
P.s. I would be happy to provide a system dump, just need instruction on how to do so.
hey comoc85
welcome to the stepchild thread, lol
easy to root this phone with superoneclick
here is a link to the Samsung Kies Program that has the usb drivers bundled for our phone for rooting, etc.
http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=US&CttFileID=4132035&CDCt[/url] tType=SW&ModelType=C&ModelName=SGH-T589HBBTMB&VPath=SW/201106/20110625042859732/TMO_T589_Kies_20.exe
here is a link for a youtube video for rooting our phone as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMg5LfPW5m4&feature=player_embedded
are you familiar with using adb commands?
if so, easy to grab all the system apps for us or yourself for later
just by entering "adb pull /system/app/" and it will dump your system apps
probably zip them for uploading, be sure to factory reset prior to dumping so that your information isnt included.
remember, don't unistall any system apps once rooted till we get a developer to make a rom for us. some people have bricked this phone doing that. also note this is a "touchwiz" phone and do not remove and apps named "TW....." or it will cause errors..
titanium backup does not backup system apps, i found out after i unistalled them... it acts like it does but only backs up the data, not the app itself...
it would be wise, even for yourself, to dump your /system/app/ folder to your computer incase you need to replace a app you borked somehow... our firmware isnt available on samusngs website yet, or samfirmware.com
i wish i had known to dump my /system/app/ folder prior to uninstalling a few things... but my phone still works... anyway, found some build.prop edits that work on our phone for a lil tweaking..
hopefully someone will pick up development on this phone..
i dont understand how to cook a rom or i'd attempt it, and without a recovery to make a backup, i surely don't want to attempt it..
have a great day
oh to dump your system/apps/ folder you have to be rooted and have sdk + java installed on your computer..
if you're into changing roms etc, you'll need to learn this stuff anyway.
here's a link to a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1SOSXwkc_8
here's a couple more useful links: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502010
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/what-is-adb-and-how-to-install-it-android/
ive done factory reset several times while being rooted and not lost root or had any problems... this is due to having the stock recovery...
dont ever do a factory reset while using a custom recovery... brick brick brick..
like i said though, factory reset while under stock recovery while rooted is fine.
oh i had problems with the newest superoneclick version and tried version 1.9.5 without any hangups or problems.. just fyi
Hi guys. been a while since I rooted my legend..
After jumping from htc`s -> lg(crap) -> samsung`s to motorola razr I`ve decided to stay. I love this phone, been a while since I got this feeling. It seems the manufacturers are releasing new models every week now.
But I want to root my Razr so I can freeze some bloatware. Hate all that crap the manufacturers keep shoving down our throats.
But when reading page up and page down in these forums I get confused about all the abbrivations and terms. Could somebody point me where to look or explain a little?
I`ve visited the faq, wiki, android general and couldnt find any "low level" answers..
-root, will i be able to receive OTA (ICS when it arrives)
-bootloaders, safestrap, bootstrap etc.. what does these mean?
-what do i have to do to keep it safe and "toy around a little" without bricking it? cwm/titanium/nandroid backup, do i need all these? what is the way to go, can i do a complete backup with all apps and settings even in widgets?
sorry for all the questions, but the search functions and threads are quite overwhelming..
and thumbs up for all devs and people that make XDA so great.. i am happy to donate via paypal to these people! keep up the good work..
(if i posted this in the worng forum, i apologize in advance)
buljo said:
Hi guys. been a while since I rooted my legend..
After jumping from htc`s -> lg(crap) -> samsung`s to motorola razr I`ve decided to stay. I love this phone, been a while since I got this feeling. It seems the manufacturers are releasing new models every week now.
But I want to root my Razr so I can freeze some bloatware. Hate all that crap the manufacturers keep shoving down our throats.
But when reading page up and page down in these forums I get confused about all the abbrivations and terms. Could somebody point me where to look or explain a little?
I`ve visited the faq, wiki, android general and couldnt find any "low level" answers..
-root, will i be able to receive OTA (ICS when it arrives)
-bootloaders, safestrap, bootstrap etc.. what does these mean?
-what do i have to do to keep it safe and "toy around a little" without bricking it? cwm/titanium/nandroid backup, do i need all these? what is the way to go, can i do a complete backup with all apps and settings even in widgets?
sorry for all the questions, but the search functions and threads are quite overwhelming..
and thumbs up for all devs and people that make XDA so great.. i am happy to donate via paypal to these people! keep up the good work..
(if i posted this in the worng forum, i apologize in advance)
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You should post un Q&A forum.
But i'll answer to you anyway.
so if you're still in 2.3.5 it's really easy to root just head to this thread:
Windows :::
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1341578
Linux:::
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342567
1) Root wont break OTA (it will if you install custom ROM)
2) With this root method you have BOOTSTRAP, wich install custom recovery(cwm) i dont really know the difference between this and safestrap, i used only bootstrap.
3) The better way (in my opinion) is to use this root method, install bootstrap and reboot to recovery and do a backup. After this you can play around with titanium backup freeze bloatware etc...
Have fun with your razr it's a master piece!
Thread moved to General Forums.
It is simple, If your Thread title can be written in form of a question, it does not belong to development section.
Have a nice day.
thanks for answer.
good about receiving OTA`s..
what is bootstrap exactly?
on the rooting you provided the link to, the OP mentions it is adviced to an adb pull/system?
also, is the backup stored on the SD or internal? should i make a "goldcard" or is that only for model specific phones?
thanks..
buljo said:
thanks for answer.
good about receiving OTA`s..
what is bootstrap exactly?
on the rooting you provided the link to, the OP mentions it is adviced to an adb pull/system?
also, is the backup stored on the SD or internal? should i make a "goldcard" or is that only for model specific phones?
thanks..
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Boot strap is a way of running new firmwares, without actually installing it to the system folders/partitions. A little like running two OS:es on the same computer.
Pulling adb system is doing a backup of your system folder, since there are almost no .sbf files out, recovering can be difficult if you delete the wrong things.
(an .sbf is essentially a "recovery cd" for your phone.)
Safest way to do it, is simply:
Don't delete apps in system folder. Only use "freeze" in whatever root uninstaller you decide to use.
Yahoo and blur apps must not be altered, you can't make calls without them as it is now.
The most important tweak is IMO, killing Google maps, as it runs in the background.
A Goldcard is unnecessary on this phone, since it has the "app to sd" partition built in.
ed: No automatic backup is done, it's up to you. (I didn't do one and had to reinstall with a .sbf) >_<
thanks for the excellent explanation..
so bootstrap makes the system files avaiable and untouched as long as i dont delete them?
also killing google maps, then i would not have actual google maps or navigation on my phone? i use this application now and then..
Am I right in saying that once you have rooted and have CWM recovery that you could do a NANDroid backup as soon as you have rooted, and copy this comewhere safe on your pc in order that if you make a boo boo and it won't OTA update, you can then do a TB of all your current apps / data, boot into CWM, restore your NANDroid backup which should take your phone "back in time" to the point just after you rooted, and restore your apps / data after installing TB from the market, THEN receive the OTA?
edit:
ok, i`ve rooted the Razr, installed bootstrap and adb pull / system.
but one thing i think i might have done wrong..?
i`ve enabled safe system in the recovery menu. and it took a backup of my system to the emmc..
then i rebooted and nothing happened. held down power and volume down for 6 seconds. a little flicker came and was able to go back to safe menu and disable the safe mode.
booted up normal.
im guessing i am missing something here. a partition to boot or something?
edit 2. okay, i obviously need a rom.. can i use my original rom?
CheesySeb said:
Am I right in saying that once you have rooted and have CWM recovery that you could do a NANDroid backup as soon as you have rooted, and copy this comewhere safe on your pc in order that if you make a boo boo and it won't OTA update, you can then do a TB of all your current apps / data, boot into CWM, restore your NANDroid backup which should take your phone "back in time" to the point just after you rooted, and restore your apps / data after installing TB from the market, THEN receive the OTA?
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Sounds about right, yep. =)
is it possible to get my 2.3.5 stock android out of the phone as an update.zip so i can use it as my 2nd system with bootstrap?
got the bootstrap succesfully, but got no rom to play with..
Thanks so much to all those who helped me root! It was nothing short of a miracle.
Anyhoo, prior to rooting, I read that having root access is not a good idea for those who don't know what they are doing because they could really mess things up. Therefore, I need to know what NOT to do.
Also, should I disable debugging again or leave it as it was during the root process?
From what I've read it looks like even if you mess it up bad you can recover to new with the SD card method or 8x failed boot.
If this is your first time rotting any device, i would suggest you to use the search function religiously, and please keep asking questions if you are unsure of anything.
Almost the whole process can be redone with no harm to the device, ie bricking. Some booboo may make it a bit harder to fix, like erasing your keyboard apk or just generally not double checking your work before rebooting the device, ie granting permission and ocerwriting files. Use titanium backup, it is your best friend.
I would suspect the hardest thing to achieve is establishing usb debugging on your pc, looking for the long string of numbers when you initially run Indirect's script. He has done a lot for our community, given us a lot of the tools that we use.
Last but not least, use the "thank you" button if someone helped you.
Ps: in that order: allow install from unknown source, uncheck/recheck both usb debugging, uncheck automount.
Welcome!
rvr350 said:
If this is your first time rotting any device, i would suggest you to use the search function religiously, and please keep asking questions if you are unsure of anything.
Almost the whole process can be redone with no harm to the device, ie bricking. Some booboo may make it a bit harder to fix, like erasing your keyboard apk or just generally not double checking your work before rebooting the device, ie granting permission and ocerwriting files. Use titanium backup, it is your best friend.
I would suspect the hardest thing to achieve is establishing usb debugging on your pc, looking for the long string of numbers when you initially run Indirect's script. He has done a lot for our community, given us a lot of the tools that we use.
Last but not least, use the "thank you" button if someone helped you.
Ps: in that order: allow install from unknown source, uncheck/recheck both usb debugging, uncheck automount.
Welcome!
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How often do I need to do this? I thought it was only during the root process, but is it every time I boot up or something?
Thanks for the help
KnowNothing said:
How often do I need to do this? I thought it was only during the root process, but is it every time I boot up or something?
Thanks for the help
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You set usbdebugging prior to your very first rooting attempt, and unless specified by a dev, leave that setting enabled. It's been known you may have to "uncheck/recheck" usb debugging to achieve root or block OTA or other functions, don't ask me why.
Whew--OK, then I should be good to go!
One last question (yeah right)!
If I only got as far as blocking the OTA to the point where my software version says "unavailable"--am I safe from the OTA? I didn't get so far as restoring the BN stuff.
KnowNothing said:
One last question (yeah right)!
If I only got as far as blocking the OTA to the point where my software version says "unavailable"--am I safe from the OTA? I didn't get so far as restoring the BN stuff.
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don't quote me, but i believe there were instances where OTA was pushed even with "unavailable" version number. Your ultimate goal is to get 9.9.9 using Indirect's script. here's what i did:
First i backup my original .com.bn.devicemanager in case i made a mistake. I erase any previous restore copy of devicemgr in Titanium backup of devicemanager. Go to dev setting, and uncheck/rechck usb debugging (see?), load the contents of indirect's KillOTA zip files into your Titanium backup folder on your SD card. Hit restore (app+data), and voila! Then check settings page, you should be 999 now.
Rooting is a fairly easy and safe process.. If you use Titanium Backup it is generally a good idea to freeze apps instead of deleting them.
Read, enjoy, and ask questions if you cant find the answer before doing anything you are unsure about..
KnowNothing said:
One last question (yeah right)!
If I only got as far as blocking the OTA to the point where my software version says "unavailable"--am I safe from the OTA? I didn't get so far as restoring the BN stuff.
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I would suggest looking at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1405418
Having the software version at "unavailable" might be sufficient, but Indirect's method sounds even more promising (and won't cause B&N services to function in an odd way should you choose to use them).
[edit] I'm too slow. Too many people trying to help!
I did root yesterday (a long, arduous process for someone like me!) but I just wanted to make sure that what I did yesterday is still current for blocking the OTA, even though I only got as far as getting my software version to say "unavailable"--(meaning, BN store and whatnot no longer works for me.)
Or, do I need to do the whole process that was shown on the video "How to block the OTA update" ?
Even though "unavailable" may be sufficient, but Indirect has given us a zip files that we patch in our SD card's tb folder. Given his track record, i'd say stick with his method here's the link.
OK, thanks! LOL, more for me to work on today. What seems easy peasy to most is like hieroglyphics to me The part I didn't do was the "restore DeviceManagerService"--I'm such a NooB.
Hi ..
Just read this, you might not have yet... read "How to block OTA updates" last two pages.
Beyound 70yrs said:
Hi ..
Just read this, you might not have yet... read "How to block OTA updates" last two pages.
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Eek. So I'll definitely need to do that then. I only got as far as freezing the device mgr lol! I was really hoping that was enough since I'm so incompetent at this.
Still learning all this, but have what is probably a very stupid questions. I understand all, but what does "RESTORE" DeviceManagerService mean. What does the RESTORE part mean? Is it just copy over the original version with an updated one or is it something you click-on to restore?
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Still learning all this, but have what is probably a very stupid questions. I understand all, but what does "RESTORE" DeviceManagerService mean. What does the RESTORE part mean? Is it just copy over the original version with an updated one or is it something you click-on to restore?
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When you are in Titanium and tap on DeviceManagerService 2.3.4, you should first tap "Backup" and then at that point if you tap DeviceManagerService 2.3.4 again you should see the "restore" button.