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With the release of the Fascinate we will finally know who is responsible for the encrypted bootloaders on the Droid X/2...Motorola or Verizon
I certainly hope it is not encrypted but I wouldn't put it past Verizon as being the one responsible.
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FSRBIKER said:
With the release of the Fascinate we will finally know who is responsible for the encrypted bootloaders on the Droid X/2...Motorola or Verizon
I certainly hope it is not encrypted but I wouldn't put it past Verizon as being the one responsible.
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Well, do a little reading and you will see that motorola locked down the milestone, which came out overseas as the droid 1's cousin, and motorola has come out saying that they will not produce open android handsets like the droid 1 ever again. I dont think the BL will be locked down on the fascinate more so than the other galaxy s phones
Did plenty of reading/flashing/modding over the year+ about Android, it's phones, Rom's, etc so I am no rookie despite my post count at XDA. We all know Motorola's stance and their comments but the Fascinate is the only way we will really know Verizon's stance on bootloaders since the other three US variants have all been unlocked easily.
So WELL if you know the FACTS not speculation then let us hear your all worldly knowledge please.
If you've done enough reading you'll know that Verizon had nothing to do with the lockdown of the bootloader if they did then the Incredible would have been locked down as well as the ally both of which have achieved root. Not to mention Verizon doesn't have a factory where they say "Hey guys we developed this fancy eFuse and tricky bootloader that works in EVERY PHONE" because that would totally make sense a bootloader that's compatible with every chipset and every handset if that was the case someone would have developed an unlocked bootloader that works on every device. Listen to what you're saying, there is no possible way that Verizon distributes an eFuse and a custom encrypted bootloader to every manufacturer. Not trying to be rude or anything it's just common sense.
Achieving Root and Unlocking a Bootloader are two different things, try reading up on that first ok?
No one ever said Verizon is manufacturing phones, but they absolutely can tell the phone manufacturers to lock the bootloaders or Verizon will not offer the phone for sale. Also read up the bootloaders for the Incredible was locked but not digitally encrypted. Since this is the first phone Verizon is offering since the Motorola DroidX/2 which have digitally encrypted bootloaders we will know if Verizon had a hand in changing anything on the Fascinate if it is different at all from the other three US Galaxy phones. That was the only point to my post, why is this a pissing match on who searches, researches, etc more?
If you have Facts/Proof on the Fascinate and its bootloader post it, this other stuff is just crap and not getting anyone anywhere.
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If you've done enough reading you'll know that Verizon had nothing to do with the lockdown of the bootloader if they did then the Incredible would have been locked down as well as the ally both of which have achieved root. Not to mention Verizon doesn't have a factory where they say "Hey guys we developed this fancy eFuse and tricky bootloader that works in EVERY PHONE" because that would totally make sense a bootloader that's compatible with every chipset and every handset if that was the case someone would have developed an unlocked bootloader that works on every device. Listen to what you're saying, there is no possible way that Verizon distributes an eFuse and a custom encrypted bootloader to every manufacturer. Not trying to be rude or anything it's just common sense.
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"not to be rude or anything", but your post displays little "common sense". The Incredible was released before the latest droids, so obviously the Inc's bootloader is irrelevant in this situation. And who said (or inferred) anything about a verizon factory making a bootloader (and nobody even mentioned efuse)? Verizon didn't develop Bing, but they clearly have a hand in it being the only search offered on this Android phone. So it is not unreasonable to wonder if Verizon would try to exert its influence in other ways. While, I agree that it is unlikely that the Fascinate will have an encrypted bootloader, the OP asked a valid question. Not sure some people are so quick to hate. After all we are only dealing with smartphones.
There are quite people intruded interested in knowing the truth, lets keep the thread on topic PLEASE.
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I have a fascinate on hand to check if someone can let me know what they need done...
Deleted: I was wrong and no need to spread bad info.
edit: deleted, nevermind, should read the newer posts when I've got a tab open for a long time.
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I believe the bootloader is locked because the same root process for the captivate and vibrant don't work for the fascinate.
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This is no indication that it is locked or not.
It is not locked.
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It is not locked.
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Thank you... Short sweet answer.
Ksizzle can you link a thread where it shows its not locked, thanks in advance.
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i actually cannot. however we can make changes to the kernel or will be able to which actually may not mean that it isnt locked but it is definetly not encrypted like the droid x. i dont have any proof but have no other galaxy s of the six different variants have a locked bootloader and if it were locked you would have read about it somewhere already or heard peopole trashing samsung and verizon. i dont have any proof but im pretty sure its not locked becasue if it were we would have to make all these workarounds for rooting and making changes to the kernel or loading roms. a guy has already made a ROM in the development section and we dont need a BOOTSTRAPP app or anything special. trust me its not locked or we wouldnt already have a custom ROM available.
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i actually cannot. however we can make changes to the kernel or will be able to which actually may not mean that it isnt locked but it is definetly not encrypted like the droid x. i dont have any proof but have no other galaxy s of the six different variants have a locked bootloader and if it were locked you would have read about it somewhere already or heard peopole trashing samsung and verizon. i dont have any proof but im pretty sure its not locked becasue if it were we would have to make all these workarounds for rooting and making changes to the kernel or loading roms. a guy has already made a ROM in the development section and we dont need a BOOTSTRAPP app or anything special. trust me its not locked or we wouldnt already have a custom ROM available.
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Lack of a locked bootloader is why I chose this phone over the X. Well, that and the better processor. The post indicating that it is not locked can be found HERE.
so why is there such a convoluted method for rooting? On the Galaxy S I900, Vibrant, and Captivate you just throw an update.zip on the phones internal memory, reboot into recovery, and hit apply update. theres your root, no adb required, no shell commands. If its not locked then why is it this bad over here.
I believe because they have different types of internal memory. Cud b wrong. But the bootloader is why I chose this phone as well.
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so why is there such a convoluted method for rooting? On the Galaxy S I900, Vibrant, and Captivate you just throw an update.zip on the phones internal memory, reboot into recovery, and hit apply update. theres your root, no adb required, no shell commands. If its not locked then why is it this bad over here.
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The same method would work if someone compiled it for our hardware.
Hop to it someone.
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so why is there such a convoluted method for rooting? On the Galaxy S I900, Vibrant, and Captivate you just throw an update.zip on the phones internal memory, reboot into recovery, and hit apply update. theres your root, no adb required, no shell commands. If its not locked then why is it this bad over here.
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i dont have many posts here but i do a bunch of help at other sites. iv rooted the d1. the devour, the inc, the d2 and now the gal s....everytime the adb way comes first. it does not mean in anyway that the bootloader is locked. sammy gave us the codes and ina few days we will see clockwork and then a few weeks after that the real fun starts. the boot loader is not locked.
I'm not a fan of doing spam threads.
But I was wondering.. our dev's are really badass&awesome.
I'm a big fan of our X10 & tried many ROMs (android 2.2, MIUI, SDK 3.0 etc.)
And I was wondering, if is possible to make a WP7 version for X10.
So for dev's, please make my wish come true
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I'm not a fan of doing spam threads.
But I was wondering.. our dev's are really badass&awesome.
I'm a big fan of our X10 & tried many ROMs (android 2.2, MIUI, SDK 3.0 etc.)
And I was wondering, if is possible to make a WP7 version for X10.
So for dev's, please make my wish come true
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I am not a developer, but I think I can safely say that
this is definitely not possible at the moment
and probably it will never be possible.
There are hardware restrictions as well as software.
Plus, the most important: the locked bootloader makes it all the more improbable.
Remember: it's been by-passed, not unlocked.
I hope we will see WP7 on our X10 in the future
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I hope we will see WP7 on our X10 in the future
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As I said, I wouldn't count on that.
But I am sure that even more great phones with WP7 will show up in the future,
so you could easily jump ship and get "the full experience".
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As I said, I wouldn't count on that.
But I am sure that even more great phones with WP7 will show up in the future,
so you could easily jump ship and get "the full experience".
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It's this kind of negative attitude that makes everything seem bleak.
I'm sure one day the bootloader will be cracked or unlocked.
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It's this kind of negative attitude that makes everything seem bleak.
I'm sure one day the bootloader will be cracked or unlocked.
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Can't wait for that day!
The bootloader loads the operating system. So a cracked bootloader will be needed to be able to load windows phone 7.
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It's this kind of negative attitude that makes everything seem bleak.
I'm sure one day the bootloader will be cracked or unlocked.
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I am not being negative in any way.
I've had this phone for one year now
and I've watched the developers' effort to crack the
bootloader very closely.
The by-pass was a great achievement and most of the
developer's are working on these terms now,
a few if none are still trying for a complete crack.
That's realistic, not negative.
Besides, even if the bootloader actually gets cracked,
still the answer to the OP's question would probably still be NO.
Adjusting and configuring a totally different OS to run on a device
that initially ran another is pretty difficult and even if it can be done,
I am not sure if any developer would go through the trouble.
But since you asked for positivity instead of a reasonable answer,
I am changing mine to:
"YES! Of course this is possible, anything is possible!
Sit back and wait for the bootloader to be cracked.
Shouldn't take too long now! We are almost there!!!
WOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!
*birds, butterflies, rainbows and a thousand happy smilies*"
you killed me there.
@My_Immortal
*cough* HD2 *cough*
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@My_Immortal
*cough* HD2 *cough*
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*cough* one phone made it *cough* hundreds of others didn't *cough*
All I am saying is that the answer at the moment is no.
And it doesn't look all that good about the future.
Is really all I'm saying. I would like to be proven wrong, of course.
It would be actually one of the few times that I'd actually enjoy it!
Will developers still try to get full s-off? I'm hesitant to lose warranty. I feel like we waited this long already... What's a few more weeks?
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Will developers still try to get full s-off? I'm hesitant to lose warranty. I feel like we waited this long already... What's a few more weeks?
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I went ahead and unlocked. I figured why not lol. I'm very careful with my electronics
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Will developers still try to get full s-off? I'm hesitant to lose warranty. I feel like we waited this long already... What's a few more weeks?
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Im still waiting but not because of warranty concern, more of a " Im to lazy and dont feel like getting off the couch" kind of lazy. I also dont want to screw up anything even though it doesnt look so hard. And i just want to try aosp roms so im just going to stick to stock for awhile until full s-off ( If our amazing devs still try to do that. )
I am not. The latest hboot on the 3D is proving difficult to crack, and they have unlocked bootloaders as well. I am sure people will keep at it but it has been a few months for them working on the 3D with no luck yet.
While not a given fact, HTC has usually honored warranties for things unrelated to root. It is hit and miss though, some get lucky some don't. That was on tmobile though, as the carriers usually handle the claims side of that. If you are worried get the insurance, then warranty does not matter.
If you're not worried about flashing kernels or radios, then you don't need to worry about S-off. As stated several times in other threads, the majority of what users do with their phones can be done now, including flashing ROMs, custom recoveries, rooting, tethering, etc.
Jump on it and get it done, you'll be thankful you did.
I unlocked and been flashing away, go for it
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Don't see why you'd want to wait for s-off people. You can flash pretty much anything except a radio. Pretty sure we'll see some CM lovin or at least an AOSP rom to tide us over. I don't think they're going to work on s-off anymore since the BL is unlocked.
No hurry here, will wait until you guys get all the bugs out. I would like to wait for s-off so I can change radios and go back to stock if I need to. Don't want my ESN on the list to void my warranty.
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If you're not worried about flashing kernels or radios, then you don't need to worry about S-off. As stated several times in other threads, the majority of what users do with their phones can be done now, including flashing ROMs, custom recoveries, rooting, tethering, etc.
Jump on it and get it done, you'll be thankful you did.
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I've seen several people say in other recent threads that with the newly available methods that kernel flashing will in fact be possible. Can anybody else confirm or deny this? Thanks!
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I've seen several people say in other recent threads that with the newly available methods that kernel flashing will in fact be possible. Can anybody else confirm or deny this? Thanks!
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It's been stated several times in the development thread that yes you can flash kernels with s-on
jbh00jh said:
No hurry here, will wait until you guys get all the bugs out. I would like to wait for s-off so I can change radios and go back to stock if I need to. Don't want my ESN on the list to void my warranty.
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Have fun waiting as I doubt anyone is working on S-off anymore. If they are working on s-off it'll probably be awhile. Verizon still might honor the warranty and if not there's insurance, so I could care less about my ESN being on the "void list".
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It's been stated several times in the development thread that yes you can flash kernels with s-on
Have fun waiting as I doubt anyone is working on S-off anymore. If they are working on s-off it'll probably be awhile. Verizon still might honor the warranty and if not there's insurance, so I could care less about my ESN being on the "void list".
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I don't mind waiting ,my Rezound is faster ,smoother and has more memory than any rooted phone I every had .
If you try to sell your phone it won't have a clean ESN if it is on the list. Or will it ??
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I don't mind waiting ,my Rezound is faster ,smoother and has more memory than any rooted phone I every had .
If you try to sell your phone it won't have a clean ESN if it is on the list. Or will it ??
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It's only blacklisted if it's reported lost/stolen.
kkryter said:
I've seen several people say in other recent threads that with the newly available methods that kernel flashing will in fact be possible. Can anybody else confirm or deny this? Thanks!
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Yes you can flash kernels. The only way I know to do it for sure is to use fastboot but its possible there are other methods.
The ONLY things that cannot be flashed are radios, bootloaders, (understandably considering those are the two things that WILL cause a HARD brick if done wrong or with corrupted files) and I believe splash1 cannot be changed. (not sure why probably because its usually a manufacturer branding)
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I'm waiting for "LOCKED" and "S-ON". Same as on my Incredible. I do hope someone is working on that.
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I don't mind waiting ,my Rezound is faster ,smoother and has more memory than any rooted phone I every had .
If you try to sell your phone it won't have a clean ESN if it is on the list. Or will it ??
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pretty sure you could still sell it your esn would be red flagged meaning no warranty but im not 100% u never know with verizon
That's for sure. Glad I don't pay online.
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jdmba said:
I'm waiting for "LOCKED" and "S-ON". Same as on my Incredible. I do hope someone is working on that.
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I'd settle for a devs s-off.
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I am fairly new to all of this, have rooted, CWM and ROM'ed a few DINC's and rooted a couple Kindle Fire's, so please bear with me
What is the difference between "S-OFF" and an unlocked boot loader?
What is a Kernel, Radio, ROM, Boot loader, Recovery, etc.? They are all pieces to the puzzle, and I understand a little, but could someone link the pieces together for me? Or suggest a good place to learn the basics of all this stuff?
If I use HTC DEV to unlock the Boot loader, will I be able to gid rid of Verizon's crap ware?
Thanks,
Sam
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I am fairly new to all of this, have rooted, CWM and ROM'ed a few DINC's and rooted a couple Kindle Fire's, so please bear with me
What is the difference between "S-OFF" and an unlocked boot loader?
What is a Kernel, Radio, ROM, Boot loader, Recovery, etc.? They are all pieces to the puzzle, and I understand a little, but could someone link the pieces together for me? Or suggest a good place to learn the basics of all this stuff?
If I use HTC DEV to unlock the Boot loader, will I be able to gid rid of Verizon's crap ware?
Thanks,
Sam
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The info's out there, search is your friend. This has been discussed plenty of times just in the Rezound forum alone, not to mention the entire XDA website.
sstriano said:
I am fairly new to all of this, have rooted, CWM and ROM'ed a few DINC's and rooted a couple Kindle Fire's, so please bear with me
What is the difference between "S-OFF" and an unlocked boot loader?
What is a Kernel, Radio, ROM, Boot loader, Recovery, etc.? They are all pieces to the puzzle, and I understand a little, but could someone link the pieces together for me? Or suggest a good place to learn the basics of all this stuff?
If I use HTC DEV to unlock the Boot loader, will I be able to gid rid of Verizon's crap ware?
Thanks,
Sam
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Here's a list of links I have bookmarked for my studying purposes:
Collection of Root Guides
Will unlock my phone after I learn more about all of this. I'm surprised you rooted Dincs without understanding this stuff!
Now that an unlocked bootloader is an option, do you think the Rezound will ever get S-OFF?
For most, it seems that foregoing a warranty and unlocking the bootloader through htcdev doesn't present any issues. But many of us simply don't want to get exposed to that risk.
Question came up in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22105407#post22105407
We already have permanent root. Are you talking about S-OFF?
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GordoGuapo said:
We already have permanent root. Are you talking about S-OFF?
From the Rez Beast
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Talking about the ability to load a ROM.
SamXp said:
Talking about the ability to load a ROM.
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really? do you not see the 10 ROMS listed in the same section that you posted incorrectly in?
the rezound is/was rooted like 2 months ago
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Talking about the ability to load a ROM.
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If you read the forum your in you would know we already can load ROMS and kernels, we just can't touch radios
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Talking about the ability to load a ROM.
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well as to whether or you will be able to ever root your phone with htc dev unlock....probably not
it didnt seem like there was a huge effort made to s-off the rezound prior to unlock (aside from evil fake dev null's bs)
now that there is a way to flash roms, i doubt anyone is bothering
hopefully this is not the future of htc devices on vzw going forward, as personally ive used og inc and inc2 fully s-off and would probably think twice is my next htc phone was dev unlock only
but this should be in general anyway, not development
Obviously, ROM's are available.
Obviously, you can flash them with an unlocked bootloader.
If you don't unlock the bootloader, you are saying there is a Root method available that will allow you to flash a ROM?
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Obviously, ROM's are available.
Obviously, you can flash them with an unlocked bootloader.
If you don't unlock the bootloader, you are saying there is a Root method available that will allow you to flash a ROM?
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No. Why would you think that was on option? Just unlock the effing bootloader. There will probably never be s-off.
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No. Why would you think that was on option? Just unlock the effing bootloader. There will probably never be s-off.
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Because that has been the case for every phone I've owned. Did you even take the time to read the original post? Maybe my English wasn't plain enough? Unlocking the bootloader simply isn't an option for some people.
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Because that has been the case for every phone I've owned. Did you even take the time to read the original post? Maybe my English wasn't plain enough? Unlocking the bootloader simply isn't an option for some people.
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Then don't do it. It's that simple.
This isn't every phone you've ever owned. This is the culmination of every HTC phone released for the last few years. They've learned how to plug nearly all, or enough, of the possible exploits to unlock the bootloader while offering a way to unlock it that doesn't require devs beating their heads against a wall, perhaps fruitlessly for months. The devs aren't going to bother, because why would they? HTC's given us a perfectly reasonable way, and credit to them.
The fact is, we simply don't know what will happen to phones returned under warranty. Plenty of people have returned unlocked phones with no problems.
Thank you for your contribution. This is information I would like to have had before buying this phone. Obviously, it is a gamble to unlock. They make it very clear that it voids your warranty. If there are reports of people getting warranty service in spite of the phone being unlocked, then that is pure luck.
Some of us prefer not to rely on luck.
Never imagined I'd see this type of animosity for a simple question. Especially one as important as this, in relation to this phone.
It appears to me that there's not a large quantity of devs supporting this phone. Hopefully more get the Rezound. I came from the AT&T Captivate and there were tons of devs cooking up ROMS for that one. I had always heard that HTC phones had great dev support on XDA so I didnt really do my homework before buying the phone, it was more of an impulse buy once I saw the large beautiful screen.
All I've done so far is unlock and root my phone. Still running stock and so far I like it a lot. Havent really felt the need to drop a different rom on my phone, or even flash a different kernel. One reason I guess is, the phone works really well as-is, and seems like each kernel or other rom seems to have a good many noted issues.
I hope this improves over time. I loved flashing different roms on my Galaxy S and they were extremely high quality with basically no issues at all. Matter of fact I had been running ICS since back in december and using it as my "daily driver" and it worked extremely well. I believe the only issue was it wouldnt do video recording.
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Thank you for your contribution. This is information I would like to have had before buying this phone. Obviously, it is a gamble to unlock. They make it very clear that it voids your warranty. If there are reports of people getting warranty service in spite of the phone being unlocked, then that is pure luck.
Some of us prefer not to rely on luck.
Never imagined I'd see this type of animosity for a simple question. Especially one as important as this, in relation to this phone.
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They make it very clear it MAY void your warranty. Go check the page. Nowhere does it say "your warranty is now void."
I think most of the animosity is from posting about something that has been beaten to death, in the wrong forum.
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No. Why would you think that was on option? Just unlock the effing bootloader. There will probably never be s-off.
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I'm new to HTC phones...but what is S-OFF and what is the difference between that and unlocking the bootloader via HTCdev.com.
I've unlocked my bootloader, just for the sake of doing it. It was simple. What extra benefits would S-OFF give?
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tekhna said:
They make it very clear it MAY void your warranty. Go check the page. Nowhere does it say "your warranty is now void."
I think most of the animosity is from posting about something that has been beaten to death, in the wrong forum.
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I think the website just says that if you unlock your bootloader HTC may charge you more if you require factory servicing.
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They make it very clear it MAY void your warranty. Go check the page. Nowhere does it say "your warranty is now void."
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Fair enough.
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I think most of the animosity is from posting about something that has been beaten to death, in the wrong forum.
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Help me out here. I've searched about this topic. I referenced the one other thread where the question was asked. There was very little discussion.
S-Off makes it easier to flash kernels and ROMs. You can flash them together with s-off.
This may be a dumb question, but can a Mod please close/move this thread? It's extremely pointless and definitely in the wrong section.
EDIT: and to the OP, THIS is what tekhna is talking about.
derek4484 said:
It appears to me that there's not a large quantity of devs supporting this phone. Hopefully more get the Rezound. I came from the AT&T Captivate and there were tons of devs cooking up ROMS for that one. I had always heard that HTC phones had great dev support on XDA so I didnt really do my homework before buying the phone, it was more of an impulse buy once I saw the large beautiful screen.
All I've done so far is unlock and root my phone. Still running stock and so far I like it a lot. Havent really felt the need to drop a different rom on my phone, or even flash a different kernel. One reason I guess is, the phone works really well as-is, and seems like each kernel or other rom seems to have a good many noted issues.
I hope this improves over time. I loved flashing different roms on my Galaxy S and they were extremely high quality with basically no issues at all. Matter of fact I had been running ICS since back in december and using it as my "daily driver" and it worked extremely well. I believe the only issue was it wouldnt do video recording.
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I'd hoped this would improve, over time, as well. I don't get that impression, judging by the reaction in this thread.
What is ROM? is that an internal component of the phone? Like memory? Is there soldering involved to load a ROM?
WasabiWa83 said:
S-Off makes it easier to flash kernels and ROMs. You can flash them together with s-off.
This may be a dumb question, but can a Mod please close/move this thread? It's extremely pointless and definitely in the wrong section.
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If the thread is in the wrong section - I can see the need to move it. But closing it would prevent would-be buyers from obtaining valuable information that could be critical to their purchase decision. No reason to hide the truth that the Rezound will probably never get S-OFF.
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I'd hoped this would improve, over time, as well. I don't get that impression, judging by the reaction in this thread.
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I think the reaction your getting is because this has been hashed and rehashed alot and putting topics in Development is a big no no . HTC has said they will still honor the warranty related to hardware as long as customizing isn't the cause of the failure..ie overclocking and burning up processor etc.. Verizon is the one that voids the warranty which is understandable after reading the threads of people that do stuff without reading prior to messing with the phone.
http://i.imgur.com/TXKDpOI.png
Is this what I think it is?
Can't see what it is on my phone. Bunch of black lines
@hsbadr I know you been working hard is this any help to you or new info?
Hard to read the image on my note 3. Where is the link to the websites maybe able to readable?
I am pretty sure that there still needs to be a way to blow the Qfuse that tells the boot loader the device is unlocked. On some HTC and Motorola devices, that fuse was directly addressable by software that was validated through TrustZone. So once TrustZone was compromised, a command could be given to the software responsible for Qfuse programming to blow the appropriate fuse and unlock the device. It's entirely possible that Samsung uses some different method of Qfuse programming or that particular fuse is not addressable on the Note 3 hardware. So there is hope if somebody will look into this, but it is definitely not a sure thing.
http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.co....pdf?key=yTU_58d39l1jaHqzfsFYcA&ts=1407345856
typhoone said:
http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.co....pdf?key=yTU_58d39l1jaHqzfsFYcA&ts=1407345856
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Broken link. In summary, there was a particular situation with how the bootloader was locked that allowed this exploit to break Motorola's implimentation. There is one fuse that tells the bootloader that it is locked that was blown, one that tells if it's permanently locked that was not, and one that if the permanent lock fuse isn't blown but this one is tells the bootloader it isn't locked.. The Trust zone vulnerability allowed him to send a command to blow that last fuse. Since you can't I unblow a fuse, this means permanent unlock. At least until the permanent lock is blown on an OTA.
Samsung may have different logic to determine if the bootloader is locked or may have blown the permanent lock fuse if the same logic is used.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/08/07/moto-x-bootloader-unlock-qualcomm/
We can only hope he does it
bmwh0r3 said:
We can only hope he does it
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Fingers crossed...
bmwh0r3 said:
We can only hope he does it
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Supposedly, it's already done. It affects all Snapdragon phones, including the Note 3.
However... they go on to say that the exploit was released over a month ago... and some phones are already patched.
DroidLife seems to be somewhat detached from the root community, though, since they assume that "already patched" means that everyone that owns the phone has installed the OTA. I'm on NC2, and I updated from MI9. I hope that NC2 is still vulnerable. MI9 was the initial release.
As an aside... I'm not sure if I particularly care about unlocking my bootloader. Installing AOSP roms doesn't appeal much to me, since the developer edition (for instance) has been out for a long time... and the best they can do with the S-Pen is to emulate a mouse input. Maybe modded kernels would hold more interesting possibilities... but even when I had my S3 I didn't mess with the kernel that often.
I'd at least like to be able to try aosp ROM on here. I tried eclipse and enjoyed it but a full ROM would be nice.
I haven't updated in months, so on MI9 and like it the way it is. That being said, I'd love to unlock it
armus said:
I haven't updated in months, so on MI9 and like it the way it is. That being said, I'd love to unlock it
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First of all... if you're on MI9, you've NEVER updated. MI9 was the initial release. Right?
If you're on MI9... You should be able to unlock it. *See Note 1 below
My logic: MI9 is the initial release. If they were able to unlock a Note 3, then it was MI9 or later... and you can flash any release you want from MI9. (Careful, though that you can't go backwards... with the exception of MJE <--> NC2)
***Note 1***
I didn't see it specified that they unlocked a VERIZON Note 3. I don't remember if Verizon lagged behind other carriers in releasing the Note 3. Perhaps Verizon had a patch in to begin with. I'm not even sure if that's a possibility... but I wouldn't put it past them.
DrPhant0m said:
Supposedly, it's already done. It affects all Snapdragon phones, including the Note 3.
However... they go on to say that the exploit was released over a month ago... and some phones are already patched.
DroidLife seems to be somewhat detached from the root community, though, since they assume that "already patched" means that everyone that owns the phone has installed the OTA. I'm on NC2, and I updated from MI9. I hope that NC2 is still vulnerable. MI9 was the initial release.
As an aside... I'm not sure if I particularly care about unlocking my bootloader. Installing AOSP roms doesn't appeal much to me, since the developer edition (for instance) has been out for a long time... and the best they can do with the S-Pen is to emulate a mouse input. Maybe modded kernels would hold more interesting possibilities... but even when I had my S3 I didn't mess with the kernel that often.
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I'm not terribly interested in being unlocked per se, but it would spike the interest of devs to be sure.
Note III KK-style
LOL i dont care what yall say id love my BOOTLOADER UNLOCKED sick of Verizon telling me what to do screeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww yooooouuuuuu veirzon
I'd love to get custom kernels on here. My Note 3 flies. Love it... But I'd also love to have the option.
Hate VZW. And even Samsung. Let us do what we want!
Keep in mind that this exploit only works on Motorola phones because of both the ability to run arbitrary code in TrustZone and the particular method Motorola used to determine bootloader lock status. At the bottom it notes other devices that have the TrustZone vulnerability. If these devices do not use the exact same method to determine unlocked status, this method will not work. Somebody will need to reverse engineer the Note 3 bootloader to determine how the check is performed and if some command from TrustZone can cause an unlock. In the mean time Samsung can patch the TrustZone kernel and it would be back to square one...
Welcome to Verizon's communist.
I'd love to have a unlock bootloader and I paid $700 retail edition note 3 to keep grandfathered unlimited data and I should have gone get a dev edition instead. In future, I'm not going to buy any phone from Verizon unless it has unlock bootloader or a DEV edition.
Not gonna happen
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