Just found that my HTC Flyer is affected by deat grip on WiFi!
Placing my, and perhaps yours too , hand on the bottom of the device will make WiFi signal disappr!
Anyone else experienced same issue?
Contacted HTC already about this issue.
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William
It doesn't happen with mine. I have full wifi bars in both landscape and portrait mode with my hand at the bottom.
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Nothing happening when I do it on mine.
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No death grip on mine. And I have had my hands all over my flyer as if it was my girl friend. lol
No problem here also.....
L.E. yes it happened to me but only if the distance from router is more than 7 meters....
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no problem here either if anything id say this tablet gets better reception than anything else in my house couple iphones, ipad, netbook, and laptop all get reception in half my house the flyer gets it everywhere in the house and even in my backyard
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No problems with wi-fi, only the button issues when writing. (sometimes hitting the back button by accident).
I noticed the problem too. It goes down from 3 to 1 bar reception.
It happens wen i cover the bottom part, with my hand while in landscape.
Seems the WLAN antenna is behind it.
Maybe on the 3g devices?
@the ones that works, u have WiFi only?
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On my WiFi Flyer, really gripping the bottom of the devise as completely as possible in portrait orientation results in a one bar reduction in WiFi signal strength. Non-issue.
If I try that the WiFi signal strength increases by one bar.
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kleiner_Kobold said:
If I try that the WiFi signal strength increases by one bar.
German 3G version
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I try dragging it into the toilet, first time I lose a bar of signal strength .
I.e. no death grip on mine as well, no matter how hard I try to cover the lower part of the device. German 3G device, yep.
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http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/7176-htc-sensation-4g-evo-3d-death-grip
"Tests carried out by NordicHardware show that the HTC Sensation 4G loses WiFi and Bluetooth strength when gripped in a certain way. Using a signal measuring app and regular audio apps, NordicHardware shows how the HTC Sensation 4G rapidly loses Bluetooth and Wi-Fi signal, even if its just sitting flat on the palm of your hand. The loss is substantial, with as much as 20 to 30 dBm down in connection speeds."
Will we see a similar issue with the evo 3d?
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http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/7176-htc-sensation-4g-evo-3d-death-grip
"Tests carried out by NordicHardware show that the HTC Sensation 4G loses WiFi and Bluetooth strength when gripped in a certain way. Using a signal measuring app and regular audio apps, NordicHardware shows how the HTC Sensation 4G rapidly loses Bluetooth and Wi-Fi signal, even if its just sitting flat on the palm of your hand. The loss is substantial, with as much as 20 to 30 dBm down in connection speeds."
Will we see a similar issue with the evo 3d?
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The sensation's antennas are built into the back plate while the Evo's arent. Still, you would think HTC would have learned from apples mistakes...
I quickly lose Bluetooth connection on my Evo 4G when holding it in most positions. It cuts in and out just bouncing around in my pocket.
Seems like something you would test before you release a phone. Still surprised at what gets over looked.
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So who holds their phone like that?
Not me!!!
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xHausx said:
The sensation's antennas are built into the back plate while the Evo's arent. Still, you would think HTC would have learned from apples mistakes...
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I don't have my pre-production EVO 3D, but a test Sensation 4G. I did the death grip 4 times, and nothing happened. I've never encounter that mistake on any HTC device I've had in my possession. Then again, why would I hold it that way? I take those test as if Apple are suffering with that mistake, Android devices must be suffering with it too. That's my opinion, because this is the first time I've even heard of this problem.
To quote the great Steve Jobs "don't hold it that way"
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That's my opinion, because this is the first time I've even heard of this problem.
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A lot of Android phones have this problem... Maybe not death grip but holding it sideways will lose reception with WiFi and even Bluetooth..
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nate420 said:
A lot of Android phones have this problem... Maybe not death grip but holding it sideways will lose reception with WiFi and even Bluetooth..
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Really? Let me try doing it with 4 different devices. Is it WiFi and Bluetooth both on, or is it separately?
Edit: Tried the Thunderbolt, Sensation 4G, Inspire 4G, Droid Charge, and the trusty EVO. WiFi and Bluetooth : no problems.
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Really? Let me try doing it with 4 different devices. Is it WiFi and Bluetooth both on, or is it separately?
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Mostly WiFi... But the g2x and sgs4g does it with both.... That I've tested
Id say try separate
I rarely use Bluetooth and only noticed it on WiFi
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mykrlz182 said:
To quote the great Steve Jobs "don't hold it that way"
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yes!!!!!!! logic!!!!
Yeah, I really hope the Evo 3D doesn't have that issue.. that's just what I need--all my smug iPhone friends coming over and giving me crap.
Can we change the name of this thread to "death gripe"?
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My View's WIFI radio doesn't seem to be as strong as my GTab 10.1. I can put them side by side and using an app called WIFI Analyzer, the signal looks significantly stronger on the GTab. Upgraded the View to HC and it's pretty much the same.
Anyone else experience anything like this? Does the View just have a weak radio? Or is mine perhaps defective? And thoughts or advice is appreciated.
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My wifi is upstairs and picks up good in the basement with my View and Flyer.
Bit more info...I'm sitting on the same floor as my wireless router, 2 rooms away. Neither of our laptops (in this same room) have any trouble picking up the wireless signal. On WIFI Analyzer, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 is consistently registering a signal strength anywhere from -70 dBm to -60 dBm...it does not lose connection.
My EVO View fluctuates anywhere from no signal to -80 dBm. My phone (a Samsung Galaxy S) is registering closer to the View than the Galaxy Tab.
If I take the View into the same room as the wireless router, it picks up a strong, solid connection and doesn't drop it.
I don't think its my wireless router...the View and GTab do the same thing at work...the signal is significantly stronger on my GTab.
Not noticed this on either device, but did with the Acer 500 and returned it. Worst wifi device I have owned.
I actually had a great signal with GB but now that i'm on hc it's off and on
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My View's WIFI radio doesn't seem to be as strong as my GTab 10.1. I can put them side by side and using an app called WIFI Analyzer, the signal looks significantly stronger on the GTab. Upgraded the View to HC and it's pretty much the same.
Anyone else experience anything like this? Does the View just have a weak radio? Or is mine perhaps defective? And thoughts or advice is appreciated.
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I was thinking the same thing today. I have another brand tablet that seems to have about 30-40% better reception. Also finds many more AP's than my View. I guess they want you to use their "Sprint" data.
Appreciate the responses. The weird thing is I took the View to my bedroom last night, which is upstairs and at the opposite end of the house from the router, and the signal was stronger and more consistent up there. Maybe I'm encountering some kind of interference in the living room... I don't know. Either way, I want a new wireless router.
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I have noticed the same thing with my view. Wifi signal is inconsistent. The only good thing is that the signal didn't drop and speed is pretty consistent. I am guessing its a software issue?
I have had both the Flyer and the View. The Flyer had about 30% better reception than the View in the exact same spot. Even my Droid X2 has better reception. I even tried turning on the wifi boost option under advanced settings in the wifi settings. Probably difference in the radio compared to the Flyer.
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I have noticed the same thing with my view. Wifi signal is inconsistent. The only good thing is that the signal didn't drop and speed is pretty consistent. I am guessing its a software issue?
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Yeah I was thinking firmware... Tried to update mine but always get an error.
pakmonaco said:
I have had both the Flyer and the View. The Flyer had about 30% better reception than the View in the exact same spot. Even my Droid X2 has better reception. I even tried turning on the wifi boost option under advanced settings in the wifi settings. Probably difference in the radio compared to the Flyer.
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I tried the "Best wifi performance" setting as well... Didn't seem to make a difference. Mine does drop the connection regularly, at least in my living room. Still love the little thing. Guess when I'm sitting on my couch, I can just grab my GTab.
Will also look into upgrading (and possibly relocating) my wireless router soon. Again, thanks for the replies.
Wonder if it's a hardware issue. Are both radios on the same chip our share the same antenna? So that on the Flyer there's more power to pick up the wifi signal?
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bsoplinger said:
Wonder if it's a hardware issue. Are both radios on the same chip our share the same antenna? So that on the Flyer there's more power to pick up the wifi signal?
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I dont know...but WIFI is pretty much always the only thing I have turned on.
I was just wondering if the device is defective...based on other people's comments, it doesn't sound like it.
I really like the View, but it's really annoying to have to be within 10' of a wireless router to get a solid, consistent connection.
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I dont know...but WIFI is pretty much always the only thing I have turned on.
I was just wondering if the device is defective...based on other people's comments, it doesn't sound like it.
I really like the View, but it's really annoying to have to be within 10' of a wireless router to get a solid, consistent connection.
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I have the same issue and, though I don't know if this is specific to my unit, I can say it is the same trouble regardless the wifi situation and have compared it to my (and others') laptops, a Nook STR, and an HTC Espresso, all of which connect and show strong signals. I've checked this with 6 routers and it is the case every time.
Quite absurd. Since I gained the View from an eBay sale, I'll likely be selling it as a result.
The view does much better then my e4gt and better then my Att ipad2.
IF you have to be within 10 ft of a router, you have a defect or failure. Send it back for repair.
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I have the same issue and, though I don't know if this is specific to my unit, I can say it is the same trouble regardless the wifi situation and have compared it to my (and others') laptops, a Nook STR, and an HTC Espresso, all of which connect and show strong signals. I've checked this with 6 routers and it is the case every time.
Quite absurd. Since I gained the View from an eBay sale, I'll likely be selling it as a result.
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I'm sure you already tried this but what happens when you enable "best wifi performance" in advanced wifi settings? It's supposed to increase signal range at the cost of battery consumption so who knows.. maybe it will increase your range to 15 feet
Yes, thanks for the note. I've tried the increased performance wifi setting, to which it is currently set. I've additionally tried changing the "home" and "outside" settings, which do not seem to stay set or, perhaps, are not even set in the first place (or at least this is not reflected in the GUI). I'm currently running HC, but this was true fro GB. Stupidly, I held out, hoping that the upgrade would cure my device.
With my Flyer I can get about 100 ft outside my house with Wifi.
i am having the same problem. Weak a signal at home a little better at other wifi locations. Can a router setting impact the quality or strength of a connection?
Hi, I got a quick question. Anyone know where is the resound antennae is located. Ever since I flashed to the latest ice Rom, I noticed that WiFi signal is weaker when in portraits mode. However if I switch to the landscape mode with the capacitive button on the right side the WiFi signal is stronger. Anyone notice this as well
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All antennas are in the back cover of the phone... No idea where the wifi antenna in particular is though.
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I think it is on the left side. So if looking at the screen, on the left. I've noticed when I'm holding the phone if my fingers are grasping on the left side the signal is cut pretty bad.
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Is anybody Else experiencing "deathgrip" issues with their S3?
Been all over the internet and found a few posts about the issue but nothing really helpful.
Any tips? Any ideas? Aside from using my phone upside down....
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First I've heard of it so probably just people in a bad signal area and adding 2 and 2 to make 9.
I have 2-3 bars if it lays still on the table or I hold it upside down, if I hold it any way a normal person would it goes to hell.
This is in areas with poor reception but all tested numerous times in the same area. My girlfriend has a xperia s and she has no problem what so ever. My Nokia work phone also works flawlessly.
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Hi
Is anybody Else experiencing "deathgrip" issues with their S3?
Been all over the internet and found a few posts about the issue but nothing really helpful.
Any tips? Any ideas? Aside from using my phone upside down....
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Very strange, personally i'd be thinking some local interference, is this present everywhere or just at home??
Hmm. So far so good here. No drop in dB with my hand covering the bottom area/bottom back area(s) of the phone.
some people just absorb RF more than others.
this is something i've encountered a lot at work with people using wireless microphones, guitar wireless systems and in ear monitors. certain people just cannot use this stuff because their bodies just absorb so much of the RF that the gear becomes useless if their body blocks the signal in any way.
it's a nightmare to try to explain this to some idiot who just expects his wireless mic to work absolutely perfectly from 600 feet away in a field.
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Hmm. So far so good here. No drop in dB with my hand covering the bottom area/bottom back area(s) of the phone.
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Same here.
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Mine is a nightmare it works fine in my right hand the moment I switch to the left my voice fades in and out and people cant hear me. The problem only seems to have happened since the software upgrade and my wifi is now much better than before so can't help feeling it's something the software has introduced
If you watch the S3 disassembly video you can see that it has several antennas, so I don't think the death grip is possible with this phone..
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some people just absorb RF more than others.
this is something i've encountered a lot at work with people using wireless microphones, guitar wireless systems and in ear monitors. certain people just cannot use this stuff because their bodies just absorb so much of the RF that the gear becomes useless if their body blocks the signal in any way.
it's a nightmare to try to explain this to some idiot who just expects his wireless mic to work absolutely perfectly from 600 feet away in a field.
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My colleague just suggested eating less spinach. That way you lower your iron contents in your body
Guess I absorb all RF coming my way then.
But my wi-fi has lower signal strength on my S3 compared to my old Incredible S too which made me want to ask if there was only me who had the problem
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My colleague just suggested eating less spinach. That way you lower your iron contents in your body
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Then how do I deal with Bluto?
Did a test while checking the signal strenght. -89 dBm 12 asu holding the phone upside down, -103 dBm 5 asu while "death gripping" it.
I dont know how "audio db" translates to "signal db", but surely my signal can't be 32x worse while "death gripping" it?
(Rougly calculated on the basis that every 3 db indicates a doubling in signal strenght)
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Then how do I deal with Bluto?
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Best.post.ever.
I'd like to re-bump this issue, seeing as how I experienced it too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1724070
This might be a poor signal on top of the issue seeing as how its not happening to everyone. I managed to replicate this three times with my hand on stopping all signal until its released and bars are back to full.
Go to settings - about device - status. Then take write down your signal holding it normally and upside down.
If you do this we can compare the change in signal strenght on our phones.
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Normal -84 dBm
Upside Down -85 dBm
No difference at all really.
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Normal -84 dBm
Upside Down -85 dBm
No difference at all really.
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What kinda signal was that? 3G? I start to think that this is a problem in places with edge/gsm aka poor reception to begin with.
It also needs about a minute to update properly when checking the signal.
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Top way up -107 dBm 4asu
Bottom way up -103dBm 5asu
Gripped as described (death-grip), -103dBm 0asu
Thats HSUPA
I have an AT&T HTC One X+. I notice that if I hold it a certain way the Wifi signal strength indicator drops. On a weak connects I got it to drop.
Is it just me or does anyone else seem to have this issue?
This was the first thing I noticed. I can't Skype with my girlfriend because it drops the video call unless I hold the bottom most part of the phone Granted I'm on the 2nd floor and my router is in the basement. I have noticed drops in WiFi signal that I never got with my One S.
Also notice this issue i haft to hold the phone a certain way to go to no wifi signal to almost full
It's an unfortunate fact of physics,that devices this small are affected this way. The antennas are tiny coils of metal attached to the inside of the case. The water in our hands is very effective at blocking radio signals.
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It's an unfortunate fact of physics,that devices this small are affected this way. The antennas are tiny coils of metal attached to the inside of the case. The water in our hands is very effective at blocking radio signals.
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none of my phones ever had this issue or was effected to the point that i noticed.
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none of my phones ever had this issue or was effected to the point that i noticed.
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Key words: " that i noticed." It was still happening, you just didn't notice/antenna was placed differently/Wi-Fi radio in phone had more power. It's still physics.
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Boys HTC its not a gang of amateurs.
Go to WiFi then advanced and tick WiFi the best performance.
Simple.
The only grip when I loose WiFi signal is when I hold phone at the top in some kind of "top cover"... Who holds phone like that?
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Boys HTC its not a gang of amateurs.
Go to WiFi then advanced and tick WiFi the best performance.
Simple.
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Already did this...Also got off my 5ghz network switch back to the 2.4ghz deaf grip doesnt seem to be present now
I have the same issue when I hold the phone on the left side.
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maybe it's a sign that HTC did not fix the issue that was haunting the original One X.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1688538
Krzysiec said:
The only grip when I loose WiFi signal is when I hold phone at the top in some kind of "top cover"... Who holds phone like that?
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On the AT&T version I just have to hold it in my left hand. I will have to see if the Advanced WiFi setting helps.
It looks like this phone is more sensitive to the "physics" of wireless signal blocking. I suspect that it might be a power saving measure and that is why there is an advanced setting that uses more power.
That option was there since i know android on Htc with sense not sure how about clear android but I think its there too
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