Now that is possible the development of this awesome phone, think that is possible to port Honeycomb from an AOSP rom instead of any 2.X.X rom? It has DualCore support, HighRes and Xoom and Atrix has very similar hardware.
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Toushiro Hitsugaya said:
Now that is possible the development of this awesome phone, think that is possible to port Honeycomb from an AOSP rom instead of any 2.X.X rom? It has DualCore support, HighRes and Xoom and Atrix has very similar hardware.
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This actuall sounds cool, like honeycomb in webtop thing! hell yeah. instead of linux
stratax said:
This actuall sounds cool, like honeycomb in webtop thing! hell yeah. instead of linux
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Sounds cool, but I would rather prefer a full linux installation since you got full apps like libreoffice, vlc, etc... full HDMI mirroring and webtop (selectable ) would be an option...
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Sounds cool, but I would rather prefer a full linux installation since you got full apps like libreoffice, vlc, etc... full HDMI mirroring and webtop (selectable ) would be an option...
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well true, its nice to have a variety though.
I believe the op meant, to port honeycomb to the atrix as the main os instead of porting 2.3.4 in the form of lets say cyanogenmod. And what he wrote is very smart, due to the fact that honeycomb has a way better dual core and opengl support than 2.3.4 and it should not be the hardest, since the xoom really is very similar to the atrix regarding the hardware, esp now with the unlocked bootloader.
HC was not built for phones, is not meant for phones, has never shipped on a phone & will NEVER be for phones. It is optimized for large screen devices (tablets). Gingerbread is currently the highest Android meant for phones. Fragmentation was an issue discussed @ IO this year.. They announced a re fragmentation if you will.. GB + HC = ICS
Froyo - phones + other devices
Gingerbread - phones + other devices
Honeycomb - Optimized for TABLETS ONLY - NOT FOR PHONES
Ice Cream Sandwich - phones + tablets
If you don't like calls or sms go right ahead.
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HC was not built for phones, is not meant for phones, has never shipped on a phone & will NEVER be for phones. It is optimized for large screen devices (tablets). Gingerbread is currently the highest Android meant for phones. Fragmentation was an issue discussed @ IO this year.. They announced a re fragmentation if you will.. GB + HC = ICS
Froyo - phones + other devices
Gingerbread - phones + other devices
Honeycomb - Optimized for TABLETS ONLY - NOT FOR PHONES
Ice Cream Sandwich - phones + tablets
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Maybe you are right, but I think that you are wrong.
And ICS (aka 2.4.X) can't be better on tablets than Honeycomb (aka 3.X.X).
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If you don't like calls or sms go right ahead.
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Maybe a developer will find out how to make the radio work.
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HC was not built for phones, is not meant for phones, has never shipped on a phone & will NEVER be for phones. It is optimized for large screen devices (tablets). Gingerbread is currently the highest Android meant for phones. Fragmentation was an issue discussed @ IO this year.. They announced a re fragmentation if you will.. GB + HC = ICS
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You say "TABLETS ONLY" but do you actually know what that means?
All it'll mean is standard apps are all re-skinned to make use of a larger screen and things like the dialer/phone settings are removed. We already know that HC just scales the GUI of apps which don't have a specific tablet version. It's no mystery.
Do you really think Google would spend money forking Android and all the improvements made in HC when they know they have to be merged with phone functionality again? If I were them I'd make it as easy as possible to re-implement the dialer and phone-related functionality later.
I think the best option for a honeycomb rom (at least until ICS is out) would be:
1. Use the Xoom honeycomb base so we get all the various Tegra drivers and kernel+modules required which is the important bit (as well as the HC source not being available).
2. Replace any tablet-specific apps to Gingerbread equivalents (plus some skinning if necessary so it's all uniform).
3. Add phone-specific things back in (dialer, sms etc)
3. Make it report as a GB build so that the market only downloads phone/small-screen versions of apps.
I think the main interest in this is getting the better dual-core handling and more specifically, improved hardware acceleration which is already on the Xoom to the Atrix which are very similar hardware-wise.
Best of both worlds
EDIT: Just had a geez at the Xoom forums and they've got SMS going as well as SIP calling which is getting close!
as i see people saying its not compatible, wasnt this ported to the G1? the nexus one? LOL. maybe im talking about honeycomb? idk
Also I would like to remember, If you change honeycomb's DPI you will get "gingerbread" style launcher and everything.
Cheers
Im sure talented devs could "port" some features or some such things from HC, but the FACT remains:
HC was not built for phones, is not meant for phones, has never shipped on a phone & will NEVER be for phones. It is optimized for large screen devices (tablets). Gingerbread is currently the highest Android meant for phones. Fragmentation was an issue discussed @ IO this year.. They announced a re fragmentation if you will.. GB + HC = ICS
Do some research for yourself.
And to the guy that asked me "Do you know what tablets only means?" Well yes I do, I own one for starters, and apparently I have a better understanding of what one is than you. Yes I know tablets look like just a big phone, but do not assume phones/tablets do all the same things with the same apps on the same sw/fw. Please take some time to read about them for yourself and understand that software and apps may not be compatible across phones/tablets running the same or similar OS, this is true for software and apps on both Android and iOS. Do this reading and first.
Then, if you can find a phone with HC being ported to it, PLEASE share it with us here. Also notice you will find NOT ONE PHONE IN THE WORLD IS BEING SHIPPED WITH HONEYCOMB, because it is not for phones. You need to do some simple Google searches and help yourself to a few wiki pages because you are sounding like a fn moron.
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And ICS (aka 2.4.X) can't be better on tablets than Honeycomb (aka 3.X.X).
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HC is 3.0.. how did you brain do the mental gymnastics required to assume that ICS will be 2.4.? You seriously need to do some research before posting.
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HC is 3.0.. how did you brain do the mental gymnastics required to assume that ICS will be 2.4.? You seriously need to do some research before posting.
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Two things.
The first: you are an idiot.
Second: you think that you are Google only by reading 2 another idiots talking about their dreams for ICS. Everyplace says that ICS will be 2.4. And really, you need to read more, you don't know anything (Y).
Now no more trolling here, we are talking about Honeycomb on Atrix. Anyone that wants Android 11.99.99 go to your own thread.
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Actually the consensus is ics will be 4.0 to keep version numbering numerical.
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From what I remember reading a while back, Google said they were not going to release the source for Honeycomb 3.0. If that's the case, that really puts a damper on porting it over to any phone.
Last I checked, 3.0's source has not been released.
As Sources became available - anyone know if there are efforts besides theming honeycomb to atrix?
E.g. Porting libs or even build from source?
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I was wondering how many of you might be put off by the fact that the Flyer is shipping with Gingerbread and not Honeycomb - even though it will get Honeycomb later.
Appreciate the feedback.
I love the idea of the scribe technology, but considering how small it is and battery life....plus it is not shipping with Honeycomb and the price is going to be higher than comparable devices....
It's sad as I have owned only HTC phones. I love their quality.
The scribe technology I LOVE! I can see so many added benefits of this - especially in syncing with Evernote. I also see a benefit with those having children.
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I love the idea of the scribe technology,
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There were some internal docs from either bestbuy or costco that were reporting a 10.1" screen edition as well later in the summer.
I'd pay top dollar for Scribe + 10.1". There is a serious dearth of handwriting systems for android. Now if we could just get an OCR input system (e.g. Graffiti for the old Palm PDAs). I've seen a demo of scribe, and it doesn't look like it does input analog>digital, maybe I'm missing something. Still better than nothing.
There was also one more interesting quip about Android 3.0 in Eldar’s article. According to him, if a hardware partner releases the tablet on Android 2.x version of OS, as per licensing agreement for Android 3.0, they are not allowed to update Android 2.x tablets to 3.0 version.
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so if the news(rumors) are true, htc flyer won't be getting any honeycomb due to licensing issues?
source: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/03/27/google-nexus-tablet-with-android-3-x-to-be-made-by-lg-android-2-x-tablets-wont-upgrade-to-3-0/
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so if the news(rumors) are true, htc flyer won't be getting any honeycomb due to licensing issues?
source: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/03/27/google-nexus-tablet-with-android-3-x-to-be-made-by-lg-android-2-x-tablets-wont-upgrade-to-3-0/
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I'd say that is probably just a rumour. I've not heard it from any other source. The article at unwiredreview is the only article that author has written and his dubious source of information is a Russian website that he links to
Also this from a far more reliable source:
From @HTC
@Farhadinho Absolutely. We are committed to offering a Honeycomb upgrade as soon as possible after Flyer's release.
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Edit: Whether or not Google are restricting froyo-honeycomb upgrades, it seems the Flyer has got the green light:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-...r&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter_web
What's all the hype over Honeycomb? I mean, what features do you gain other than all the overhype of being "tablet optimized. "
From my experience with the Xoom, tablet optimized means crashes at will and won't run crap......
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swedishcancerboi said:
What's all the hype over Honeycomb? I mean, what features do you gain other than all the overhype of being "tablet optimized. "
From my experience with the Xoom, tablet optimized means crashes at will and won't run crap......
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I agreee - I'd rather wait for a stable version.
The Xoom is a worst case scenario. Made by Motorola, released prematurely.
The main benefit I see from Honeycomb is apps which are designed to run on larger screens, instead or "over-inflated" phone apps
Great I can't wait, however....
I can't wait for this tablet to come to market. Ofcourse there will be things I do not like, one is the fact it is not a phone. It is a tablet, and I want a tablet also to be a phone. Since it has 3g enabled I think a phone application is not hard to install. Any ideas on this?
Was all for the flyer as I'm a massive HTC fan ,but just ordered the ASUS transformer as it suits my want for a tablet and the need for a net book for the kids and it has honeycomb already and has good reviews
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Won't be buying due to the fact that I already have a galaxy tab (Big Mistake!!) Although the design and ui of the flyer look good, along with the fact that htc are good with updates, and a lot of people I have talked too like the pen. Not sure about the onlive myself due to the fact that you have to use a onlive controller (what are you meant to do with the tablet if the controller is in both hands?)
http://twitter.com/htc/status/60125525049491456
From HTC's twitter, in response to my questions about the Flyer. They are saying it will get a Honeycomb update.
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Not sure about the onlive myself due to the fact that you have to use a onlive controller (what are you meant to do with the tablet if the controller is in both hands?)
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The idea is that you stream the game to your tv, so the flyer just replaces the normal onlive box that is sold, playing games on the flyer screen is also possible, but i agree that it sounds somewhat difficult :/ maybe they are going to sell some sort of case/stand like the Xoom and iPad have
but yes all the rumors suggest (from staples leaked sheets that a 10 and 8.9 inch honeycomb tablet from htc are coming this june, maybe thats when flyer will get update
id like to see what they do to sense considering there is that base bar on the honeycomb though
HTC Flyer (Evo View)
I'm disappointed in HTC's first tablet. Just the screen size is what disappoints me. Wondering why they dont add the 3D into it like the G-Slate has, after all they are coming out with a new EVO3d that i will be picking up once released!. Companies are struggling to separate themselves from everyone else when these android tablets are going to start looking identical, but HTC has their SenseUI and now Scribe which in my book gives them the edge! I'm just excited to see what happens with 3rd party firmware tweaking for performance to eliminate the possibility of skipping. MikFroyo and Fresh both have wonderful Firmwares that made my Evo many times better in terms of performance while clearing out the clutter
The LG tablet does not have a 3some screen, only 3d camera, a 3some screen of that size would add a lot of extra cost, it just wouldn't be worth it, but yes a bigger screen would have been a better choice by htc, but then again if you look at the first Android phones they made and compare them to what they have now....great things I predict to come
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Game over for me. I just cancelled my preorder since the release date is going to slip again. Im travelling early June and want to make sure I have something to travel with so I ordered the Galaxy Tab 10.1v which I can pick up in a week or so.
Im gutted really! I really wanted a 7" tablet and REALLY wanted a HTC. I will check back here and see what you guys think of it after release *sniff*
i can tell the world of our gtablet is closely falling apart.. :| because of Lack of updates from viewsonic and nvdia(hardware acceleration)..
HONEYCOMB is raging in the market already.. why not in Gtab?
our great developers are moving forward.. and are gtab is becoming history already..
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i can tell the world of our gtablet is closely falling apart.. :| because of Lack of updates from viewsonic and nvdia(hardware acceleration)..
HONEYCOMB is raging in the market already.. why not in Gtab?
our great developers are moving forward.. and are gtab is becoming history already..
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Hey there,
Have some confidence. It was a big battle between the community and nvidia to support the older tegra 2 procs and we won on that. Now the only thing that we are waiting on is google to release the AOSP for Honeycomb to 3rd party this way Viewsonic can get their devs working on a stable OS for our tablets. This all takes time and it will come thru.
cotangent05 said:
i can tell the world of our gtablet is closely falling apart.. :| because of Lack of updates from viewsonic and nvdia(hardware acceleration)..
HONEYCOMB is raging in the market already.. why not in Gtab?
our great developers are moving forward.. and are gtab is becoming history already..
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This isn't even remotely surprising, is it? The bridge android tablet devices that predate the official Google release of a tablet-based version of Android (ie, Honeycomb) were orphans from the start. Just enjoy it for what it is, or sell it and move on to the next big thing. It's likely that gingerbread (already happening), and honeycomb (if that source ever gets released) will be unofficially supported in time.
If your Gtab does what you want it to, why not enjoy it? If it doesn't, then happily move away from it.
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If your Gtab does what you want it to, why not enjoy it? If it doesn't, then happily move away from it.
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Exactly. The tablet market is moving fast, and in a few months everything currently on the market is going to be obsolete. If the gTab works well now -- and mine definitely does -- replacing it immediately just out of spite to ViewSonic doesn't seem to make much sense.
I'll wait till the next generation of processing hardware comes out ... by then, Honeycomb might actually be ready for prime time.
a user from this forum asked viewsonic about this..
FROM CD112:
"can you please let us know when we will start to see the release of Gingerbread 2.3 more stable version with the correct nvidia drivers. Nvidia is willing to work with viewsonic to get a stable and decent working rom for the gtablet. I know this seems odd but there has been about 4 tablets released after viewsonic gtablet that are currently runing Android honeycomb 3.0 and the Gtab is still running froyo 2.2. It is time for a upgrade guys. Please.
Also can you please release the source code for 1.2 to the devs this way we can get better roms built in the 1.2 boot-loader.
This is the answer that i got back.
1. When will we start to see the release of Gingerbread 2.3 more stable version with the correct nvidia drivers?
Answer: The gTablet is based upon nVidia's Harmony platform. Unfortunately, nVidia has chosen not to provide driver support on Harmony for either Gingerbread or Honeycomb.
2. Approximate release date of the source code for 1.2 to the devs this way we can get better roms built in the 1.2 boot-loader.
Answer: A release date is not yet scheduled."
and the viewsonic's answer.. damn viewsonic..! their killing us slowly..
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a user from this forum asked viewsonic about this..
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I think this post predates the whole nvidia debate.
All the talk about nvidia not supporting harmony was official refuted by nvidia themselves.
cotangent05 said:
i can tell the world of our gtablet is closely falling apart.. :| because of Lack of updates from viewsonic and nvdia(hardware acceleration)..
HONEYCOMB is raging in the market already.. why not in Gtab?
our great developers are moving forward.. and are gtab is becoming history already..
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What do you mean our developers are moving forward? If you mean buying other tablets, yes probably. Because most of the "devs" are tech freaks haha.
As far as I'm concerned, Viewsonic or Nvidia had nothing to do with the progress that our current devs have made with the Gtablet Roms. My faith is in them not Viewsonic or Nvidia.
Also, if you've seen the dev section there have been updates up the ying yang with the CM ROM, the kernels, Vegan and even Roebeets ROMS. Roebeet was the one that had the most concern with the lack of viewsonic support because his TNT ROM was based on Viewsonic's base rom. That's why I understood his frustration. However, as of late he has moved to the Vega build just like Gojimi with his Brilliant Corners ROM. So I think he will have more room to mod since he isn't as reliant on Viewsonic.
So yes, eventually the devs will move on but for now I do not see that they have abandoned the gtablet. All the early players are still updating their ROMs with the exception of Rothnic. I wonder how he's doing.
As for honeycomb, wait until google releases the AOSP. Do you think that the CM team, Gojimi, Roebeet, etc won't try to put honeycomb on the gtablet?!?! They won't be able to resist. They are devs and modders, it's in their DNA.
Hmmm yeah I've seen the new rom which is the brilliant corners, i personally thanking a lot to our dev ... And the gtablet being the most active here in xda and other forums... But we are lacking some love from the official company ,
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Gingerbread has been raging since December and there aren't many phones who've gotten updates yet until recent. There are still high end phones coming out with froyo. I don't see GB or HC coming to the VS anytime soon.
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Hmmm yeah I've seen the new rom which is the brilliant corners, i personally thanking a lot to our dev ... And the gtablet being the most active here in xda and other forums... But we are lacking some love from the official company ,
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I've learned since buying an Android device that relying on the manufacturer to bring updates is stressing. So I will not buy a product unless it is capable of being rooted. I'm just glad the gtab received official support from the CM team. They figure out some crazy stuff over there at a faster rate than the actual manufacturers. And not too mention the XDA devs too!
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Gingerbread has been raging since December and there aren't many phones who've gotten updates yet until recent. There are still high end phones coming out with froyo. I don't see GB or HC coming to the VS anytime soon.
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Your actually incorrect on that June/July we will have source codes for Harmony gingerbread drivers from there we can move forward to further advance our tablets. LG is working on a 2.3.4 release for the Optimus 2x harmony platform which Nvidia has to support and develop for.
Look it up and I posted links in the general section.
Hi I hava gtablet with android system 2.2 Just want to know if it posible to upgrade to os system android 3.2, and how can it be done?
Android 3.2 is here!
Android 3.2 is a minor feature update that includes new
APIs that allow you to better target your layouts for specific
screen sizes and other miscellaneous new APIs.
For more information about all the changes in Android 3.2
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Sry for the question but i new in all this of android system.
snipekill said:
Hi I hava gtablet with android system 2.2 Just want to know if it posible to upgrade to os system android 3.2, and how can it be done?
Sry for the question but i new in all this of android system.
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simple answer, NO
Complex Answer,
Viewsonic, the company that has their name plastered on the back of our tablets, has let us know that they are not going to be upgrading them to any Android OS higher than 2.2. They claim that it's because Nvidia (the company that created the Tegra 2 platform has said they will not provide hardre drivers for any android os higher than 2.2 on the harmony (ours) platform, and will only to it for the Ventana (Xoom, Iconia, Transformer).
However, there are some talented 3rd party developers here, and at the tabletroms forums that are working as hard as they can to attempt to get honeycomb to run on the harmony devices (Gtablet Vega, Adam). They have been able to port android 3.0 to them, but there are parts missing, namely hardware acceleration and the camera. Unless these developers start implementing portions of android 3.2 (which I believe some are) then you can't get it. There will never be an official android 3.2 update for our devices. What we'll probably end up with is an android 3.0 with aspects of 3.1 and 3.2, since htey'll be "updated" manually, but they will still lack drivers for hardware acceleration.
Thx i will try to flash it to G HARMONY GINGERBREAD v2.6(BL1.1)
i hope i do it right.
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Thx i will try to flash it to G HARMONY GINGERBREAD v2.6(BL1.1)
i hope i do it right.
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make sure you're on the 1.1 bootloader first
Or else you'll be right back here wondering why you're stuck
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make sure you're on the 1.1 bootloader first
Or else you'll be right back here wondering why you're stuck
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thx for the remark , i should type the 1.2BL
TJEvans said:
simple answer, NO
Complex Answer,
Viewsonic, the company that has their name plastered on the back of our tablets, has let us know that they are not going to be upgrading them to any Android OS higher than 2.2. They claim that it's because Nvidia (the company that created the Tegra 2 platform has said they will not provide hardre drivers for any android os higher than 2.2 on the harmony (ours) platform, and will only to it for the Ventana (Xoom, Iconia, Transformer).
However, there are some talented 3rd party developers here, and at the tabletroms forums that are working as hard as they can to attempt to get honeycomb to run on the harmony devices (Gtablet Vega, Adam). They have been able to port android 3.0 to them, but there are parts missing, namely hardware acceleration and the camera. Unless these developers start implementing portions of android 3.2 (which I believe some are) then you can't get it. There will never be an official android 3.2 update for our devices. What we'll probably end up with is an android 3.0 with aspects of 3.1 and 3.2, since htey'll be "updated" manually, but they will still lack drivers for hardware acceleration.
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I'm sorry for the noob question but what is so different with both platform? Also why is Nvidia not supporting Harmony? Also is that why I could not find the darn APX drivers on Nvidia website? Also what will happen when Ice Cream Sandwich will come out since it will be open source?
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Done working fine.
what is so different with both platform?
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I can honestly say that I have no idea...besides the RAM, we're at 512mb, they are at 1gb
why is Nvidia not supporting Harmony?
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This is a point of contention for some, including myself. Back in April, when we first started complaining to Viewsonic, they told us that Nvidia would not support any OS higher than 2.2 for the Harmony chipset. We then complained to Nvidia, who stated, publicly that they would support their hardware on any OS at the request of the hardware partner (Viewsonic in this case) The argument then died down, until just recently.
We then started bothering Viewsonic again to "request" the drivers for GB and HC, since they are the hardware partner, and Nvidia said they would support it. A few weeks ago, Viewsonic stated that they had communnicated with Nividia and were told that Nividia would not support an OS higher than 2.2 on the Harmony chipset (sound familiar?)
I, personally, doubt that Viewsonic ever made such request. Others state that Nvidia did a corporate double speak, saying that they would support a higher OS, but never saying that they would provide drivers for such an OS. The fact is, we don't have a higher OS, so there's nothing really, for them to support...see what I'm saying?
In any case, Viewsonic makes us mad at Nvidia and Nvidia makes us mad at Viewsonic...nothing ever gets resolved, and we're still pissed.
I could not find the darn APX drivers on Nvidia website?
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Don't know, but you can find them on the Gtablet for Dummies site under the NVFlash section...
Also what will happen when Ice Cream Sandwich will come out since it will be open source?
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Magic 8 ball says "answer is unclear"
honestly, your guess is as good as mine.
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I can honestly say that I have no idea...besides the RAM, we're at 512mb, they are at 1gb
This is a point of contention for some, including myself. Back in April, when we first started complaining to Viewsonic, they told us that Nvidia would not support any OS higher than 2.2 for the Harmony chipset. We then complained to Nvidia, who stated, publicly that they would support their hardware on any OS at the request of the hardware partner (Viewsonic in this case) The argument then died down, until just recently.
We then started bothering Viewsonic again to "request" the drivers for GB and HC, since they are the hardware partner, and Nvidia said they would support it. A few weeks ago, Viewsonic stated that they had communnicated with Nividia and were told that Nividia would not support an OS higher than 2.2 on the Harmony chipset (sound familiar?)
I, personally, doubt that Viewsonic ever made such request. Others state that Nvidia did a corporate double speak, saying that they would support a higher OS, but never saying that they would provide drivers for such an OS. The fact is, we don't have a higher OS, so there's nothing really, for them to support...see what I'm saying?
In any case, Viewsonic makes us mad at Nvidia and Nvidia makes us mad at Viewsonic...nothing ever gets resolved, and we're still pissed.
Don't know, but you can find them on the Gtablet for Dummies site under the NVFlash section...
Magic 8 ball says "answer is unclear"
honestly, your guess is as good as mine.
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Ah thanks for clearing that up but the difference between Harmony and Ventana can't just be RAM since the Acer Iconia A100 only has 512MB of RAM and it runs Android 3.2. Oh well lets just hope Nvidia releases drivers for Ice-Cream Sandwich. I'm also pissed that Viewsonic is releasing two Honeycomb tablets.
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I'm also pissed that Viewsonic is releasing two Honeycomb tablets.
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Don't be pissed. Just don't buy them. Better yet, don't buy anything Viewsonic.
Fuzzy John said:
Don't be pissed. Just don't buy them. Better yet, don't buy anything Viewsonic.
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Yeah anyways the last monitor I had from Viewsonic died a few mounts back.
Doomguy123 said:
Yeah anyways the last monitor I had from Viewsonic died a few mounts back.
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I would love 3.2 just for reasizeable Widgets. EVen though viewsonic abandoned this tablet I don't care. I will never buy anything viewsonic again as i would be pissed if i spent $300 on a tablet that has been forgotten about by its makers. But $170 for a used dual core honeycomb tablet is pretty damn hard to beat(even if it is 3.0 and a little buggy). So far i am loving this tablet. Now only if electroniccrap would re-stock the bluto.
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bobthesalesclerk said:
I would love 3.2 just for reasizeable Widgets.
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Launcherpro Plus is your friend...10x10 icons on screen and resizable widgets all day long...
I installed gtabcomb beta 3.3 located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1126220
For the most part it ran fine. The camera didn't work and I experienced the sleep of death.
Currently I am running a cm7.1 rc1 located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1144847
Again for the most part everything runs fine. A few minor things changed like the location of the sdcard. Not sure why but I don't have any audio so I can't play any music. No FC anywhere and the new market runs well.
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I installed gtabcomb beta 3.3 located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1126220
For the most part it ran fine. The camera didn't work and I experienced the sleep of death.
Currently I am running a cm7.1 rc1 located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1144847
Again for the most part everything runs fine. A few minor things changed like the location of the sdcard. Not sure why but I don't have any audio so I can't play any music. No FC anywhere and the new market runs well.
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The version of a ROM is not indicitive of the version of the OS that it's based on. I'm pretty sure that ALL HC roms available for the Gtablet are based on a 3.0 version of HC, they may have different aspects of 3.1 and 3.2 built in, but they are mostly 3.0.
The camera foes not work on ANY HC rom for the Gtablet, neither does hardware acceleration (trust me, HA does NOT work on ANY HC rom)
Android 3.2 ported to Vega, not G-Tablet
I have read that there is already a version of HC 3.2 ported to a similar device, with the VegaComb version
Would some of the developers that havef ported the HC 3.0.1 be able to adapt the VegaComb 3.2 to any of their distributions?
I am currently using Flashback 8.0, and have tried vegan 7.0RC1, gtabcomb 3.3, flashback 7.2, illuminate 3.1 and of course the strange version taht the viewsonic g-tablet came with, and it has been a nice walk through the several android flavors, but the hardware acceleration is really a important part of the device. From what I saw on the vegacomb video on youtube, the acceleration to a similar device really proves to make a much better experience, and not to say that the camera works, and flash plays withough issues on the browser.
Let me know if there is a v ersion of 3.2 to test, I would gladly test it out .
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I have read that there is already a version of HC 3.2 ported to a similar device, with the VegaComb version
Would some of the developers that havef ported the HC 3.0.1 be able to adapt the VegaComb 3.2 to any of their distributions?
I am currently using Flashback 8.0, and have tried vegan 7.0RC1, gtabcomb 3.3, flashback 7.2, illuminate 3.1 and of course the strange version taht the viewsonic g-tablet came with, and it has been a nice walk through the several android flavors, but the hardware acceleration is really a important part of the device. From what I saw on the vegacomb video on youtube, the acceleration to a similar device really proves to make a much better experience, and not to say that the camera works, and flash plays withough issues on the browser.
Let me know if there is a v ersion of 3.2 to test, I would gladly test it out .
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Your talking about the VegaComb 3.2 with the hardware acceleration? If so as far as I know no one is porting it I asked the VegaComb team and none of them have a Gtablet. Id like to see someone like Robeet port it over but doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
Started into the world of Android on a Gtab myself by getting on (full $400 price) at Sears many moons ago. Loved it. Messed it up. Figured out how to restore it (along with XDA gurus!) and generally enjoyed the whole process. Found VEGAN to be my ROM of choice and went happily on my way.
Then the tablet explosion began.
Despite entreaties by many it would appear (at least to me) some time ago the Gtab is EOL. End Of Life merely means it, along with many other tabs are now declared abandoned by their respective manufacturers who are moving on to newer offerings. One sees this with all things tech including phones, desktops, OS, etc.
I really don't mean to sound like a curmudgeon, but if it weren't for talented devs like Robeet, et. al., we'd not see massaged ROMs we do even now. Got a feeling the Gtab is like the NookColor and other first gen tabs. Froyo, GB and perhaps a handful of modded ROMs based on the previous is going to be it. Which ain't bad but not the same.
It is what it is.
skeeterpro said:
Started into the world of Android on a Gtab myself by getting on (full $400 price) at Sears many moons ago. Loved it. Messed it up. Figured out how to restore it (along with XDA gurus!) and generally enjoyed the whole process. Found VEGAN to be my ROM of choice and went happily on my way.
Then the tablet explosion began.
Despite entreaties by many it would appear (at least to me) some time ago the Gtab is EOL. End Of Life merely means it, along with many other tabs are now declared abandoned by their respective manufacturers who are moving on to newer offerings. One sees this with all things tech including phones, desktops, OS, etc.
I really don't mean to sound like a curmudgeon, but if it weren't for talented devs like Robeet, et. al., we'd not see massaged ROMs we do even now. Got a feeling the Gtab is like the NookColor and other first gen tabs. Froyo, GB and perhaps a handful of modded ROMs based on the previous is going to be it. Which ain't bad but not the same.
It is what it is.
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That's only partly true. The mod community is still here and someone figured out how to get hardware acceleration working on the Advent Vega and there's no telling what will happen when Ice Cream Sandwich gets released. Sure Viewsonic gave up on it but they still support it (contrary to HP).
You make a valid point, chum. Never underestimate the imagination and talent of a dedicated developer! People have done some amazing things with tablets and will continue to do so. That said, a "wait and see" position while perhaps not all that encouraging, might indeed yield some extremely useful projects.
Time will tell!
So just curious, but will it be possible for us to get this on the Photon? Or do you think they're pretty much just skip over any phone that isn't all ready released with it? And weren't they able to put Gingerbread onto the Evo? So would this be possible? Just curious, since I'm sure someone out there has some info or idea. Thanks.
Good question. I know that with my hero I got support up to eclair then sprint decided to pull the plug right before froyo so I too would like to know this.
We'll probably get it, now that Google owns Motorola. But even if that is not the case, the hardware in our phone MORE than supports any version of Android that Google can cook up, and we already have a relatively new kernel so porting it shouldn't be as hard as it was when trying to get Gingerbread on the HTC Hero.
Cool. That'd be pretty awesome. I look forward to it, then it kinda voids the need to upgrade to the Prime. Since we will probably have a quicker clock speed for our processor by then.
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Cool. That'd be pretty awesome. I look forward to it, then it kinda voids the need to upgrade to the Prime. Since we will probably have a quicker clock speed for our processor by then.
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I don't really see the need for a higher clock speed already... hell, Android with the MotoBlur and Motorola bloat on there already runs smooth as butter. I'd even venture to say we could underclock a bit to save some battery.
At this year's IO it was announced google, major carriers and OEMs agreed to 18 months of updates provided the hardware could handle it.
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We'll get it, but it could take a while. Once the OS is released, the UI devs & providers have to play with it to get everything to play well together. That's part of the reason Gingerbread took so long to push out, and it's still not on every phone that can handle it. I don't mind waiting, as long as it's being done right. But the Google acquisition of Moto Mobile still has my hopes up that we'll get it sooner than later...
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Yeah. I'm not worried about battery life. I generally am not able to use my phone at work, as it's not waterproof. So to me that doesn't matter, I just prefer the speed factor. But it runs amazingly all ready. Just always looking for that little extra is all. And as for Ice Cream, I would prefer we got it working smoothly that'd be very much so preferable, rather than some hack job. So I don't mind waiting either. Was just curious. :]
I swear I read somewhere that Ice cream sandwhich was only going to be for tablets. Guess they were wrong, I dunno. Thought I got it from the wiki. Anyways the prime looked pretty cool, but who knows. I think they are going to start coming out with lots of new phones here very soon, including quad cores, and the like. Which could be quite interesting. Just hope they give us the proper batteries to run with those things. lol
I dont think a 1800mah is going to cut it for all day usage. lol
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I swear I read somewhere that Ice cream sandwhich was only going to be for tablets. Guess they were wrong, I dunno. Thought I got it from the wiki. Anyways the prime looked pretty cool, but who knows. I think they are going to start coming out with lots of new phones here very soon, including quad cores, and the like. Which could be quite interesting. Just hope they give us the proper batteries to run with those things. lol
I dont think a 1800mah is going to cut it for all day usage. lol
-DJ
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ICS is going to be the first OS for both phones and tablets
Djspinister said:
I swear I read somewhere that Ice cream sandwhich was only going to be for tablets. Guess they were wrong, I dunno. Thought I got it from the wiki. Anyways the prime looked pretty cool, but who knows. I think they are going to start coming out with lots of new phones here very soon, including quad cores, and the like. Which could be quite interesting. Just hope they give us the proper batteries to run with those things. lol
I dont think a 1800mah is going to cut it for all day usage. lol
-DJ
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ICS will be the first OS to actually utilize both cores in these phones. Honeycomb is designed for dual core systems, but the UI is designed for larger screens. ICS will be a dual core platform that can adapt to different screen sizes. I think this might be why we are having a hard time overclocking both cores currently. Gingerbread isn't really coded for dual cores like ICS is. At least this is what I understand from reading blogs and articles about ICS.
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ICS will be the first OS to actually utilize both cores in these phones. Honeycomb is designed for dual core systems, but the UI is designed for larger screens. ICS will be a dual core platform that can adapt to different screen sizes. I think this might be why we are having a hard time overclocking both cores currently. Gingerbread isn't really coded for dual cores like ICS is. At least this is what I understand from reading blogs and articles about ICS.
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Awesome, thanks for the info! Good to know!
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Sweet. I really can't wait to get this on our phone. Gonna be pretty awesome.
I have been reading up on it as much as possible and not only is it for tablets and phones it is supposed to be backwards compatible meaning older phones with older hardware will be able to run it also
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I have been reading up on it as much as possible and not only is it for tablets and phones it is supposed to be backwards compatible meaning older phones with older hardware will be able to run it also
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Do you have the place you were reading that? I'd be curious to read the article as well. If you don't mind.
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ICS will be the first OS to actually utilize both cores in these phones. Honeycomb is designed for dual core systems, but the UI is designed for larger screens. ICS will be a dual core platform that can adapt to different screen sizes. I think this might be why we are having a hard time overclocking both cores currently. Gingerbread isn't really coded for dual cores like ICS is. At least this is what I understand from reading blogs and articles about ICS.
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They cut most of the updates out if ICS and push them back to Jelly bean. There is no conformation the there will be dual core support anymore. I hope it is still in there, but we have to wait to find out.
And it sounds like ICS will only be on prime anyway for a while. Unless devs code a version over and no major devs teams are working on Roms for the Photon. I am sure you will all see ICS but not for a very very long time.
Here is some info on ICS I will post more in a few http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/android-4-0-what-you-need-to-know-968819
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http://theprimesmartphone.com//ice-cream-sandwich
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http://m.blogs.computerworld.com/18...+phone+get+Android++ice+cream+sandwich&flip=0
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A friend of mine who works for Sprint just told me that the Moho will be one of the first to get ICS. Take this news how you will because I have nothing to back it up, but if it is true that will be awesome.
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The flyer is great little tab with a razor tight res screen and plenty fast enough single core CPU.
But its also semi orphaned since its too old for HTC to be expected to devote resources to an ICS upgrade.
So its kind of weird where all the ROM Development has switched to Android 3.0 which the consensus says runs so unsatisfactorilly on a Flyer that devs have released downgrades back to Android 2.3.x
What a mess. Do the custom 3.0 ROMs fix the probs? If so why all the down grades.
Apologies if this was dealt with somewhere but I searched, a link to same much appreciated
I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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For me i like HC. Its performance was always good on mine Flyer. I used Leedroid 4.3 ROM. Pen full suport. nice Sense 3.0. Tablet look, a lot more nice widget suported. However, bluetooth gsm calls r not suported. I am using flyer as phone as well so this was an isue for me. Not for ppl with wifi flers thow.
So atm downgraded on GB. BT calls works great. Pen ofc only suported in note. Look is more as a phone and sense isnt as nice as in HC. Less apps suported. Performance might be slightlly better but nothing of worth puting as pro or contra.
ATM w8ing on and keeping x fingers for ICS developers to solve all the starting isues.
I never bothered with HoneyComb. I saw that there was less app support in HC (for example no HBO Go, and no MaxGo) and I decided to at least wait until app support appeared (thus far it has not).
I probably won't bother with custom ROMS, as I'm very picky and have never found a custom ROM on any previous device of mine that didn't have a few bugs or hiccups.
For honeycomb, Senseless 4.0 is fast as hell. Chaos's AOKP ICS rom is even faster, but its in its early stages ATM, so be prepared for bugs. If your willing to deal with that, its a great rom!
Honestly, I don't like Gb to be used in the Flyer (I don't like to see my tablet like a "Monster Phone"). Hc custom rom like Leedroid and Senseless are fast, but not so smooth like Chaos's rom. If the Flyer is Your primary device I think Hc must be the solution, otherwise You can contribute to Ics development and debugging
(I must dust off my bad English... )
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I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to both, the HC ROMS work great as long as they are modified correctly, for example MY ROM works with a few init.d Scripts and a couple of RAM scripts and as far as i can tell it runs like a dream, at least not many bugs have been brought to my attention.
My personal opinion of GB ist that it makes the TAB look like a GIANT PHONE, and that just annoys me because it is not a giant phone its a TABLET
Anyway RANT OVER and POINT MADE
I can honestly say I'm done with gingerbread on my flyer now. It ran pretty solid but I hated the big phone feel. Using the Sense launcher and apps helped, but it didn't help the gingerbread appearance of the google apps like youtube, gmail, google search, gvoice, Gtalk, etc.
Being on stock honeycomb isn't terrible depending on what you use it for, but it is noticeably slower than gingerbread. And if you want to play graphic intensive games like shadowgun, modern combat, etc forget it on stock honeycomb. They'll run, and I guess they are technically playable but they lag and hit frame rate slowdowns constantly.
But as ioiwillioi said, honeycomb can be pretty solid with the right amount of tweaking and he's done just that. His roms are every bit as quick if not quicker than the gingerbread roms we have. Overall honeycomb is the better OS for the tablet, it just has the tablet feel. You feel more like your running an android powered computer, not a gigantic phone. Gingerbread and earlier versions of android were never meant to run on tablets.
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
I like the original HTC Sense interface
I like the additional connectivity of this device as a desk speakerphone via Google Voice (no phone plan needed!)
The device hardware was built for Gingerbread, not Honeycomb.
Honeycomb didn't bring any significant new usefulness to the device.
Unlike the upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, this upgrade didn't open the door for flash support or any other key technology breakthrough (for most people).
I'd compare it to an upgrade from Windows XP to Vista, or Windows 98 to ME. Most people will prefer the former option.