Can we get a kernel to unlock more touch points?
How many would you like. This phone registers 4...
BANG! from my shooter...
At least five. . . The screen and Android both support way more than four. . . the iPod has been able to support five for years now
can someone explain to me by what you mean by Multitouch points?
Joey_UFC said:
can someone explain to me by what you mean by Multitouch points?
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The screen will recognize more than one finger on the screen at a time. Like when you pinch to zoom, the screen recognizes you have two fingers on the screen at one time. Some programs take advantage of even more such as SOLO. My question is, why would you need more than 4? What app takes advantage of more than 4?
oh ok thats what i thought it was but other then 2 fingers, what do you need 3 ,4 or even 5 multitouch points? Who does that?
Joey121215 said:
At least five. . . The screen and Android both support way more than four. . . the iPod has been able to support five for years now
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Can you explain what you could possibly be doing that would require more than 4 touchpoints on the screen at one time? Or do you want it "just because"?
Fruit ninja for one is an app that would be nice to use five on, and some multiplayer games. Why do people really need their phones OCed to 2.0 GHz, it's not a necessity, it's just nice to have in case you ever need it. I thought one of the points for these forums was to push are phones to the max of their capabilities.
Can someone make a kernel that supports 20 touch points? I want to use all my toes also.
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I know that many people are annoyed by the atrix supporting few fingers for multitouch. I know firsthand that many emulated games are impossible to play without 3 fingers. I also know that the atrix hardware wise supports up to 10 fingers.
This is probably too challenging to fix (if it was easy, one of you devs would probably have fixed it) but I will ask anyway.
Is there any feasible method you guys can come up with to get this thing doing more than 2 touches?
Perhaps this method would work?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=891030
I respect you devs alot, please help!
Not possible. Two point screen.
EDIT: okay maybe I'm wrong?
kennethpenn said:
Not possible. Two point screen.
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What do you mean, The AMTEL sensor used in the Atrix is known to support 10 points.
Techcruncher said:
What do you mean, The AMTEL sensor used in the Atrix is known to support 10 points.
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"supporting single-touch or two-touch"
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/product_card.asp?part_id=4620
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Teardown/4964/2
Where'd you find 10 points? That would be amazing. Also, if it truly supports 10 touch points, why in the heck would Moto limit it to two?
Yes, I'm pretty sure this is more on the hardware side...
Your iFixit link says "The front panel houses an Atmel mXT224 touchscreen controller underneath the LCD connector. It's the same chip we've found on the Samsung Galaxy Tab, Nexus S, and HTC Evo 4G." It's known that the Nexus S/Galaxy S phones can register up to 5 individual touch inputs. I have a nexus S myself and can confirm this.
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"supporting single-touch or two-touch"
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/product_card.asp?part_id=4620
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Teardown/4964/2
Where'd you find 10 points? That would be amazing. Also, if it truly supports 10 touch points, why in the heck would Moto limit it to two?
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Techcruncher said:
Perhaps this method would work?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=891030
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This is a header used by a kernel-level driver. This would require a kernel recompile = modified kernel, which currently isn't possible to use with a signed bootloader.
So no. This method won't work.*
*currently- if we can crack or sidestep the bootloader, then yes, we can use modified kernels. >2 point touch may have to wait until then...
kennethpenn said:
Where'd you find 10 points? That would be amazing. Also, if it truly supports 10 touch points, why in the heck would Moto limit it to two?
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Apple patents.
dinan said:
Your iFixit link says "The front panel houses an Atmel mXT224 touchscreen controller underneath the LCD connector. It's the same chip we've found on the Samsung Galaxy Tab, Nexus S, and HTC Evo 4G." It's known that the Nexus S/Galaxy S phones can register up to 5 individual touch inputs. I have a nexus S myself and can confirm this.
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I had a Galaxy S as well... the atmel website says only single or two points though. Are we sure this is the same in the Galaxy S phones?
corneliusm said:
This is a header used by a kernel-level driver. This would require a kernel recompile = modified kernel, which currently isn't possible to use with a signed bootloader.
So no. This method won't work.
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What he said ^^.
corneliusm said:
Apple patents.
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My Galaxy S had 5-point touch. I don't think Apple has some exclusive patent for 10 point screens. Not sure though.
Anybody else confirm?
kennethpenn said:
My Galaxy S had 5-point touch. I don't think Apple has some exclusive patent for 10 point screens. Not sure though.
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Motorola and Apple are currently locked in litigation. They're suing each other for patent infringement. HTC is in the same boat.
Samsung and Apple are current bedfellows- Samsung supplies lots of parts for Apple, and have more than likely entered into a cross-licensing agreement. Hence, Samsung can implement 5 point multitouch and not get bit by Apple.
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Motorola and Apple are currently locked in litigation. They're suing each other for patent infringement. HTC is in the same boat.
Samsung and Apple are current bedfellows- Samsung supplies lots of parts for Apple, and have more than likely entered into a cross-licensing agreement. Hence, Samsung can implement 5 point multitouch and not get bit by Apple.
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Very interesting. Thanks for the info.
get this.
When you connect the atrix to use as a "mouse" in webtop, (anyone who has the hack for HDMi webtop knows what I mean) it has a three finger gesture to pull down the notification bar or something.
This singlehandedly proves, this has nothing to do with patents, hardware, or anyhting
Motorola just felt like it.
kennethpenn said:
My Galaxy S had 5-point touch. I don't think Apple has some exclusive patent for 10 point screens. Not sure though.
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Galaxy S even supports 10 points by hardware limit. The driver was just limited to 5 points (doesnt make sense to put 10 fingers on that little screen). And afaik nexus s should have the same touch sensor.
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Techcruncher said:
get this.
When you connect the atrix to use as a "mouse" in webtop, (anyone who has the hack for HDMi webtop knows what I mean) it has a three finger gesture to pull down the notification bar or something.
This singlehandedly proves, this has nothing to do with patents, hardware, or anyhting
Motorola just felt like it.
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I have used the webtop "mouse" and have no idea what you're referring to.
No one is arguing that the hardware is limited to 2 points. The touch driver has a hardcoded limit. You can verify this by either using one of the multitouch test apps (Dotty, etc) or by coding your own and debug incoming touch events (MotionEvent.getPointerCount() will never exceed 2).
This means there was an arbitrary reason why Motorola did this. What reason could this be...
Performance? Yeah, 10 touches never brought the Galaxy S to a crawl, and the Atrix has beefier specs. Unlikely reason.
Incompatibility with MotoBlur? Possible but unlikely- code that supports 1 or 2 touches will simply ignore events with pointer IDs beyond 1 or 2.
Not useful? Unlikely- there are plenty of games and apps that support more than 2 touches. Personally, I find the lack of more than 2 points frustrating when using a SNES emulator.
Besides the Apple multitouch patent feud, what other reasons are there for Motorola to cripple a flagship device?
"it definitely has capability for more than 2, and to test this, go into webtop mode (either via multimedia dock or the webtop mod hack) and click the Phone window. Slide three fingers down - it brings down the notification panel. One just moves the mouse and two is used for scrolling."
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"it definitely has capability for more than 2, and to test this, go into webtop mode (either via multimedia dock or the webtop mod hack) and click the Phone window. Slide three fingers down - it brings down the notification panel. One just moves the mouse and two is used for scrolling."
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That's not an accurate test. I can slide three fingers down and it will bring the notification panel down without being in webtop. You can slide 4 fingers and the same thing will happen, because the phone will only register two.
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Where'd you find 10 points? That would be amazing. Also, if it truly supports 10 touch points, why in the heck would Moto limit it to two?
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http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/9530S.pdf
It says "10 concurrent touches" right up top under Features > maXTouch Touchscreen
live4nyy said:
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/9530S.pdf
It says "10 concurrent touches" right up top under Features > maXTouch Touchscreen
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This is the point. The Hardware supports 10. I don't think most XDA members care about patents, so is there any way to hack this think to use all 10?
I'm about to buy this toy, but i want to know some things that i cant find before i buy it.
I was interested about tegra 2 devices with great graphics in gaming so can u tell me what FPS this tablet get in Quadrant , and how it runs Dungeon Defenders ?
I heard it have multitouch but i cant find anywhere how good multi touch it is so how much fingers it can use , and does the touches stuck or they dont go as they should do ?
Does it have problem as Optimus 2X that reboots ?
And last, why it is so cheap ?
Thank you for your answers ( and sorry for bad english )
Here you go.
It plays Dungeon Defenders just fine with the rom I have installed (VEGAn 5.1.1). Also with the Clemsyn overclocked kernel I get scores in Quadrant that are higher than the Xoom.
It only has 2 point multitouch support and that works very well on mine.
No reboot issue on my device.
Viewsonic is relabeling it from someone else and the screen is a cheap netbook screen. The screen quality is up for debate (mainly viewing angles) but I have no problem with it considering the price of the tablet.
I mean multitouch function that looks like >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
Desire type or Galaxy ?
IEski said:
I'm about to buy this toy, but i want to know some things that i cant find before i buy it.
I was interested about tegra 2 devices with great graphics in gaming so can u tell me what FPS this tablet get in Quadrant , and how it runs Dungeon Defenders ?
I heard it have multitouch but i cant find anywhere how good multi touch it is so how much fingers it can use , and does the touches stuck or they dont go as they should do ?
Does it have problem as Optimus 2X that reboots ?
And last, why it is so cheap ?
Thank you for your answers ( and sorry for bad english )
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The reason of cheap price is because of poor support from manufacturor and problematic stock ROM. But it has excellent CPU core and graphic performance.
And i will dont have warranty, so do you have any problems that should i count with when i buy it from Amazon ?
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I mean multitouch function that looks like >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
Desire type or Galaxy ?
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That's two point multitouch. I ran the multitouch visual test shown in that video, and got similar results to those shown in the video, which would confirm two point touch.
IEski said:
And i will dont have warranty, so do you have any problems that should i count with when i buy it from Amazon ?
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You won't have a warranty anyway after you root it and put a custom rom on it
IEski said:
I mean multitouch function that looks like >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
Desire type or Galaxy ?
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Just installed and ran the test the multi touch works like the Galaxy on the right.
And i hope last question.
I heard it have real big problems with force closing, so custom ROMs will fix it, or it will keep force closing forever ?...
IEski said:
And i hope last question.
I heard it have real big problems with force closing, so custom ROMs will fix it, or it will keep force closing forever ?...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=896395
Haven't read anything yet, but just remembered about a little app called "Dotty" in the market...
I remember the OG Evo had 2 different displays and one could only be hacked to do 3 and the other 5.
original evo, unrooted, produced only 2 simultaneous multitouch points.
3VO(is that what we are calling it?) unrooted ofcourse produces 4! After root maybe we can get 5+
I know its not really an applicable feature beyond 2-3 points, but Just wanted to say Woot for progress, HTC!
Yea it's a major upgrade. I was using Multitouch Visible Test ( http://tinyurl.com/67pcol2 ) to see how many fingers I can use. It'll be helpful for gaming.
I'm loving my NT---and I'm sure I'll love it even more when we start getting custom roms that newbs like me can install hehe---but I noticed something while playing games.
Now, I got my NT spoofed for Nexus S, and I found that when playing Modern Combat 3, I can only use two points of contact at a time (ex. Joystick and firing). If I try to use three points of contact (ex. Joystick, aiming, and firing) something gets left out. This suggests to me that the NT is dual-touch, not multi-touch.
Is this a software thing or a hardware thing? And if a software thing, is there "an app for that"?
Thanks
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nashdude said:
I'm loving my NT---and I'm sure I'll love it even more when we start getting custom roms that newbs like me can install hehe---but I noticed something while playing games.
Now, I got my NT spoofed for Nexus S, and I found that when playing Modern Combat 3, I can only use two points of contact at a time (ex. Joystick and firing). If I try to use three points of contact (ex. Joystick, aiming, and firing) something gets left out. This suggests to me that the NT is dual-touch, not multi-touch.
Is this a software thing or a hardware thing? And if a software thing, is there "an app for that"?
Thanks
Sent from my rooted Nook Tablet using Tapatalk 8)
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This is something I have definitely been wondering about. If/when we get ics up and running on this bad boy, is this dual touch going to still be a problem?
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We have a 16x28 point sensor grid. Its in the kernel configuration surely.
AdamOutler said:
We have a 16x28 point sensor grid. Its in the kernel configuration surely.
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That is good news for sure. I hope you're 100% correct.
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hrm.. actually, I'm sorry.. this is from my past experience with samsung multitouch devices and some research that I've been doing on our screen while trying to get ubuntu operational. Upon further investigation... apparently there is a special chip which contains firmware that talks between the kernel and the touchscreen. It is entirely possible that this chip is programmed to only handle 2 fingers.
Unnstall your niagara launcher sports fans, it is trash.
now brace yourselves, this fascist is about to shill a commie launcher
google play defaults to the tablet version of yandex's launcher for surface duo 2 and it is delightful.
between the other 3 ive tried: micrisoft, niagara, nova prime; yandex is easily my fave so far...
other than the same rotation bugs you get with windows launcher, the only glaring issues ive noticed are that sometimes when switching from 1 screen mode to dual screen mode, the second screen will stay off about 10-15 seconds after u unfold it, the app drawer in 1 screen portait mode cuts off the 5th row of apps, and i dont see an option to change the number of rows in the drawer.
other than that, this launcher works like it was made.for dual screen...
or maybe we shouldn have been trying the tablet versions of laiunchers this whole time?
good god. in almost 2 years this thread has had not even 20 posts. is xda just not as popular as it used to be? cuz, granted my last 3 or 4 phones have been somewhat obscure, they still had hype. more than this warrants. yeesh
Blob Blobbed said:
good god. in almost 2 years this thread has had not even 20 posts. is xda just not as popular as it used to be? cuz, granted my last 3 or 4 phones have been somewhat obscure, they still had hype. more than this warrants. yeesh
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I think, and would have to agree, that people are scared to invested in the duo after all of the software bugs from the door along with the demise of windows phone. if they just added an android emulator, I would have delt with it. However, to just eol the phone and os just hurt.
Anyway, I have been running nova and from time to time, I have a problem with touch response. is it any better? Is that why you changed launchers?
I use my duo in phone mode most of the time and even pocket it like that. Maybe I don't see many issues because of that?
PS. Love your Pic. Carlin was a prophet! Played a good cardinal too!
carortruck80 said:
I think, and would have to agree, that people are scared to invested in the duo after all of the software bugs from the door along with the demise of windows phone. if they just added an android emulator, I would have delt with it. However, to just eol the phone and os just hurt.
Anyway, I have been running nova and from time to time, I have a problem with touch response. is it any better? Is that why you changed launchers?
I use my duo in phone mode most of the time and even pocket it like that. Maybe I don't see many issues because of that?
PS. Love your Pic. Carlin was a prophet! Played a good cardinal too!
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the short answer to ur first quesrion is yes
the long answer: nova (prime) is more or less the only launcher ive used for prob the last 3 years on 5+ phones and it had so many issues on duo 2, i went back to stock launch3r in less than a day, it just wasnt compatible imo.
regarding ur second questio: if by 'phone mode' u mean '1 screen mode' then i would not install yand3ex launcher cuz it doesn5 seem to like leaving landscape rotation.on the home screen or randomly on other apps which i find rather annoying.
and yeah carlin was great, him and patrice oneal are the only dead comedians who i find.myself wondering what their take on certain things these days would be.
edit: totally agree that for such a newfangled concept, an easy straightforward root process along with easily unlockable bootloader to install custom roms is a must (assuming thats what u meant by android emulator?). i might have been willing to buy duo 2 brand new full price had that been the case.