So just curious, but will it be possible for us to get this on the Photon? Or do you think they're pretty much just skip over any phone that isn't all ready released with it? And weren't they able to put Gingerbread onto the Evo? So would this be possible? Just curious, since I'm sure someone out there has some info or idea. Thanks.
Good question. I know that with my hero I got support up to eclair then sprint decided to pull the plug right before froyo so I too would like to know this.
We'll probably get it, now that Google owns Motorola. But even if that is not the case, the hardware in our phone MORE than supports any version of Android that Google can cook up, and we already have a relatively new kernel so porting it shouldn't be as hard as it was when trying to get Gingerbread on the HTC Hero.
Cool. That'd be pretty awesome. I look forward to it, then it kinda voids the need to upgrade to the Prime. Since we will probably have a quicker clock speed for our processor by then.
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Cool. That'd be pretty awesome. I look forward to it, then it kinda voids the need to upgrade to the Prime. Since we will probably have a quicker clock speed for our processor by then.
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I don't really see the need for a higher clock speed already... hell, Android with the MotoBlur and Motorola bloat on there already runs smooth as butter. I'd even venture to say we could underclock a bit to save some battery.
At this year's IO it was announced google, major carriers and OEMs agreed to 18 months of updates provided the hardware could handle it.
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We'll get it, but it could take a while. Once the OS is released, the UI devs & providers have to play with it to get everything to play well together. That's part of the reason Gingerbread took so long to push out, and it's still not on every phone that can handle it. I don't mind waiting, as long as it's being done right. But the Google acquisition of Moto Mobile still has my hopes up that we'll get it sooner than later...
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Yeah. I'm not worried about battery life. I generally am not able to use my phone at work, as it's not waterproof. So to me that doesn't matter, I just prefer the speed factor. But it runs amazingly all ready. Just always looking for that little extra is all. And as for Ice Cream, I would prefer we got it working smoothly that'd be very much so preferable, rather than some hack job. So I don't mind waiting either. Was just curious. :]
I swear I read somewhere that Ice cream sandwhich was only going to be for tablets. Guess they were wrong, I dunno. Thought I got it from the wiki. Anyways the prime looked pretty cool, but who knows. I think they are going to start coming out with lots of new phones here very soon, including quad cores, and the like. Which could be quite interesting. Just hope they give us the proper batteries to run with those things. lol
I dont think a 1800mah is going to cut it for all day usage. lol
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I swear I read somewhere that Ice cream sandwhich was only going to be for tablets. Guess they were wrong, I dunno. Thought I got it from the wiki. Anyways the prime looked pretty cool, but who knows. I think they are going to start coming out with lots of new phones here very soon, including quad cores, and the like. Which could be quite interesting. Just hope they give us the proper batteries to run with those things. lol
I dont think a 1800mah is going to cut it for all day usage. lol
-DJ
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I swear I read somewhere that Ice cream sandwhich was only going to be for tablets. Guess they were wrong, I dunno. Thought I got it from the wiki. Anyways the prime looked pretty cool, but who knows. I think they are going to start coming out with lots of new phones here very soon, including quad cores, and the like. Which could be quite interesting. Just hope they give us the proper batteries to run with those things. lol
I dont think a 1800mah is going to cut it for all day usage. lol
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ICS will be the first OS to actually utilize both cores in these phones. Honeycomb is designed for dual core systems, but the UI is designed for larger screens. ICS will be a dual core platform that can adapt to different screen sizes. I think this might be why we are having a hard time overclocking both cores currently. Gingerbread isn't really coded for dual cores like ICS is. At least this is what I understand from reading blogs and articles about ICS.
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ICS will be the first OS to actually utilize both cores in these phones. Honeycomb is designed for dual core systems, but the UI is designed for larger screens. ICS will be a dual core platform that can adapt to different screen sizes. I think this might be why we are having a hard time overclocking both cores currently. Gingerbread isn't really coded for dual cores like ICS is. At least this is what I understand from reading blogs and articles about ICS.
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Awesome, thanks for the info! Good to know!
-DJ
Sweet. I really can't wait to get this on our phone. Gonna be pretty awesome.
I have been reading up on it as much as possible and not only is it for tablets and phones it is supposed to be backwards compatible meaning older phones with older hardware will be able to run it also
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I have been reading up on it as much as possible and not only is it for tablets and phones it is supposed to be backwards compatible meaning older phones with older hardware will be able to run it also
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Do you have the place you were reading that? I'd be curious to read the article as well. If you don't mind.
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ICS will be the first OS to actually utilize both cores in these phones. Honeycomb is designed for dual core systems, but the UI is designed for larger screens. ICS will be a dual core platform that can adapt to different screen sizes. I think this might be why we are having a hard time overclocking both cores currently. Gingerbread isn't really coded for dual cores like ICS is. At least this is what I understand from reading blogs and articles about ICS.
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They cut most of the updates out if ICS and push them back to Jelly bean. There is no conformation the there will be dual core support anymore. I hope it is still in there, but we have to wait to find out.
And it sounds like ICS will only be on prime anyway for a while. Unless devs code a version over and no major devs teams are working on Roms for the Photon. I am sure you will all see ICS but not for a very very long time.
Here is some info on ICS I will post more in a few http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/android-4-0-what-you-need-to-know-968819
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A friend of mine who works for Sprint just told me that the Moho will be one of the first to get ICS. Take this news how you will because I have nothing to back it up, but if it is true that will be awesome.
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Now that is possible the development of this awesome phone, think that is possible to port Honeycomb from an AOSP rom instead of any 2.X.X rom? It has DualCore support, HighRes and Xoom and Atrix has very similar hardware.
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Toushiro Hitsugaya said:
Now that is possible the development of this awesome phone, think that is possible to port Honeycomb from an AOSP rom instead of any 2.X.X rom? It has DualCore support, HighRes and Xoom and Atrix has very similar hardware.
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This actuall sounds cool, like honeycomb in webtop thing! hell yeah. instead of linux
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This actuall sounds cool, like honeycomb in webtop thing! hell yeah. instead of linux
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Sounds cool, but I would rather prefer a full linux installation since you got full apps like libreoffice, vlc, etc... full HDMI mirroring and webtop (selectable ) would be an option...
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Sounds cool, but I would rather prefer a full linux installation since you got full apps like libreoffice, vlc, etc... full HDMI mirroring and webtop (selectable ) would be an option...
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well true, its nice to have a variety though.
I believe the op meant, to port honeycomb to the atrix as the main os instead of porting 2.3.4 in the form of lets say cyanogenmod. And what he wrote is very smart, due to the fact that honeycomb has a way better dual core and opengl support than 2.3.4 and it should not be the hardest, since the xoom really is very similar to the atrix regarding the hardware, esp now with the unlocked bootloader.
HC was not built for phones, is not meant for phones, has never shipped on a phone & will NEVER be for phones. It is optimized for large screen devices (tablets). Gingerbread is currently the highest Android meant for phones. Fragmentation was an issue discussed @ IO this year.. They announced a re fragmentation if you will.. GB + HC = ICS
Froyo - phones + other devices
Gingerbread - phones + other devices
Honeycomb - Optimized for TABLETS ONLY - NOT FOR PHONES
Ice Cream Sandwich - phones + tablets
If you don't like calls or sms go right ahead.
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HC was not built for phones, is not meant for phones, has never shipped on a phone & will NEVER be for phones. It is optimized for large screen devices (tablets). Gingerbread is currently the highest Android meant for phones. Fragmentation was an issue discussed @ IO this year.. They announced a re fragmentation if you will.. GB + HC = ICS
Froyo - phones + other devices
Gingerbread - phones + other devices
Honeycomb - Optimized for TABLETS ONLY - NOT FOR PHONES
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Maybe you are right, but I think that you are wrong.
And ICS (aka 2.4.X) can't be better on tablets than Honeycomb (aka 3.X.X).
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If you don't like calls or sms go right ahead.
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Maybe a developer will find out how to make the radio work.
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HC was not built for phones, is not meant for phones, has never shipped on a phone & will NEVER be for phones. It is optimized for large screen devices (tablets). Gingerbread is currently the highest Android meant for phones. Fragmentation was an issue discussed @ IO this year.. They announced a re fragmentation if you will.. GB + HC = ICS
Froyo - phones + other devices
Gingerbread - phones + other devices
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You say "TABLETS ONLY" but do you actually know what that means?
All it'll mean is standard apps are all re-skinned to make use of a larger screen and things like the dialer/phone settings are removed. We already know that HC just scales the GUI of apps which don't have a specific tablet version. It's no mystery.
Do you really think Google would spend money forking Android and all the improvements made in HC when they know they have to be merged with phone functionality again? If I were them I'd make it as easy as possible to re-implement the dialer and phone-related functionality later.
I think the best option for a honeycomb rom (at least until ICS is out) would be:
1. Use the Xoom honeycomb base so we get all the various Tegra drivers and kernel+modules required which is the important bit (as well as the HC source not being available).
2. Replace any tablet-specific apps to Gingerbread equivalents (plus some skinning if necessary so it's all uniform).
3. Add phone-specific things back in (dialer, sms etc)
3. Make it report as a GB build so that the market only downloads phone/small-screen versions of apps.
I think the main interest in this is getting the better dual-core handling and more specifically, improved hardware acceleration which is already on the Xoom to the Atrix which are very similar hardware-wise.
Best of both worlds
EDIT: Just had a geez at the Xoom forums and they've got SMS going as well as SIP calling which is getting close!
as i see people saying its not compatible, wasnt this ported to the G1? the nexus one? LOL. maybe im talking about honeycomb? idk
Also I would like to remember, If you change honeycomb's DPI you will get "gingerbread" style launcher and everything.
Cheers
Im sure talented devs could "port" some features or some such things from HC, but the FACT remains:
HC was not built for phones, is not meant for phones, has never shipped on a phone & will NEVER be for phones. It is optimized for large screen devices (tablets). Gingerbread is currently the highest Android meant for phones. Fragmentation was an issue discussed @ IO this year.. They announced a re fragmentation if you will.. GB + HC = ICS
Do some research for yourself.
And to the guy that asked me "Do you know what tablets only means?" Well yes I do, I own one for starters, and apparently I have a better understanding of what one is than you. Yes I know tablets look like just a big phone, but do not assume phones/tablets do all the same things with the same apps on the same sw/fw. Please take some time to read about them for yourself and understand that software and apps may not be compatible across phones/tablets running the same or similar OS, this is true for software and apps on both Android and iOS. Do this reading and first.
Then, if you can find a phone with HC being ported to it, PLEASE share it with us here. Also notice you will find NOT ONE PHONE IN THE WORLD IS BEING SHIPPED WITH HONEYCOMB, because it is not for phones. You need to do some simple Google searches and help yourself to a few wiki pages because you are sounding like a fn moron.
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And ICS (aka 2.4.X) can't be better on tablets than Honeycomb (aka 3.X.X).
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HC is 3.0.. how did you brain do the mental gymnastics required to assume that ICS will be 2.4.? You seriously need to do some research before posting.
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HC is 3.0.. how did you brain do the mental gymnastics required to assume that ICS will be 2.4.? You seriously need to do some research before posting.
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Two things.
The first: you are an idiot.
Second: you think that you are Google only by reading 2 another idiots talking about their dreams for ICS. Everyplace says that ICS will be 2.4. And really, you need to read more, you don't know anything (Y).
Now no more trolling here, we are talking about Honeycomb on Atrix. Anyone that wants Android 11.99.99 go to your own thread.
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Actually the consensus is ics will be 4.0 to keep version numbering numerical.
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From what I remember reading a while back, Google said they were not going to release the source for Honeycomb 3.0. If that's the case, that really puts a damper on porting it over to any phone.
Last I checked, 3.0's source has not been released.
As Sources became available - anyone know if there are efforts besides theming honeycomb to atrix?
E.g. Porting libs or even build from source?
This is probably a dumb question in the wrong section but are there any reasons outside of something like a locked boot-loader that Android couldn't be compiled to run on the HP touchpad tablet?
I was just wondering the same thing. The CPU is a SnapDragon so the hardware at least has the potential to work...
I would imagine that it would be quite difficult because you would need to build your own kernel and custom version of android.
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I would imagine that it would be quite difficult because you would need to build your own kernel and custom version of android.
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Im not a Developer or anything but I would Assume that we Can wait for a Honeycomb Tablet to come out with Similar specs (I.E Same Processor and Ram) and port a Version of that to the TouchPad. It should work if Running HC 3.2 since it supports different Screen sizes too. I would assume only minor tweaking would be needed. But thats just me Guessing.
Sorry but I was thinking the opposite. I would kill to get WebOS running on my new Moto Photon!
ouchpad
+1 for android on HP ouchpad
http://cnnmoney.mobi/wk_snarticle?a...110818:hp_pc_spinoff:1&category=cnnm_business
especially now since ouchpad is dead
I think this is going to become a much more important question, now that HP is getting out of the consumer hardware business and WebOS is going to become unsupported very soon. I think a dual-core snapdragon would be more that enough to run 2.3, and the aspect ratio (4:3) makes it a lot more attractive to me than the existing 16:10 stable of Honeycomb tablets.
If the source code for Ice Cream Sandwich is released to the public, hopefully this can happen. For now though I hope someone will be interested enough to pick up a cut-rate Touchpad (prices are likely to plummet now that Retailers will be dying to offload them) and attempt to get CM7 on it.
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http://cnnmoney.mobi/wk_snarticle?a...110818:hp_pc_spinoff:1&category=cnnm_business
especially now since ouchpad is dead
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due to LTE:
Samsung Galaxy S II Hercules
Samsung SHV-E120S Galaxy S II LTE
use the modem-less AP8060 that the touchpad uses. they would be the target candidates to port to touchpad. could maybe do boot ->boot like IOS jailbreak where you strap webos to boot android.
Since AP8060 is SOC (all in one) - good chance of this working.
I would put up some cash to see this happen... really would... WebOS is nice.. the Hardware is nice.. but AS IT IS... is as it will be and it just doesnt have enough in it for me to enjoy it. Not enough quality apps.. and what happens when things need updates to make them work properly. call whom ever you want ... no one is there to pick up the phone they have all be WFR by hp lol
I really hope someone can get Android on those Touchpads. The big box retailers are dumping them right now. 16GB for $99.99 and 32GB for $149.99.
i know its not related but since its being sold for 99$im thinking of buying it the only question is that does it run divx movies without converting
id donate $20 towards this
The 16gb in Canada is going for $99....well worth it if a port was possible or in the near future!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/let-the-liquidation-begin-hps-16gb-touchpad-on-sale-for-99/
It was possible with the HD2, with a little effort, Android will become possible!
someone please port android to this device!
What is the over-under on this getting Android? Is it worth a poor man's money?
I'm veerrryyyy interested too! This would be awesome.
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What is the over-under on this getting Android? Is it worth a poor man's money?
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I say its worth the 100....
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I say its worth the 100....
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I would want something with Android... that is my main concern. So, you think that it will get a port?
I've had my photon since October. I've been an avid HTC fan until I picked up this phone. Sold I was. I've never looked back.
However, I really like the new evo lte. I have serious problems when it comes to new toys that are easy to obtain with something as simple as the swipe of magical plastic.
That being said...
My theory on Motorola and the rumored Photon Q is as follows;
Motorola has said, according to an article on either engadget or AC, that the quad core Tegra 3 with lte will be ready Q4. The fall CTIA is October 9th - 11th. I'm gonna say we will either see an event a week before or an event at CTIA in October. Things just seem to be coming together like a good game of tetris.
Now I really don't wanna burn and uograde when I'm expecting to see something amazing from Motorola. I'm also betting Motorola picks up the ubuntu project which I also think will be shown off in October.
That's a lot of speculation... Lol
So, I'm thinking I'm gonna keep the photon and buy a dock and a keyboard and a mouse and hook it up to this 73inch monster sitting in my living room. Only problem with that is the reviews saying that webtop just sucks a big set.
Questions...
Is webtop that bad?
Is it worth it for somebody who might find it useful?
Is all the functions of the device still there? Text and calls and what not.
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Webtop sucks. Useless. Has really specific use case scenarios and very, very little beyond that. Good news is Moto know this, and have made some head way towards fixing it with the new ICS webtop on the RAZR, which will presumably be included on the Photon's ICS update. It's basically the ICS tablet interface with properly scaled apps and a separate home screen layout from the phone. Quite cool.
Tegra 3 is ****e, though, and I can't imagine the LTE variant will be any better. Snapdragon S4 trounces it in very meaningful ways like browser performance, battery life, and audio quality. I desperately wish the international/open market One X had S4 instead of Tegra 3 (Though I still wouldn't buy it because the One X has no SD slot... Whereas the Evo LTE does). If I had the option, you bet I'd buy the Evo LTE over whatever Moto churns out at the end of this year. Next year, under Google, Moto might have a shot - and open bootloaders. This year I for one have been burned enough.
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Well what is webtop good for? What specific uses?
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Webtop sucks. Useless. Has really specific use case scenarios and very, very little beyond that. Good news is Moto know this, and have made some head way towards fixing it with the new ICS webtop on the RAZR, which will presumably be included on the Photon's ICS update. It's basically the ICS tablet interface with properly scaled apps and a separate home screen layout from the phone. Quite cool.
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Well what is webtop good for? What specific uses?
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Useless if you are locked but if you unlock it has near unlimited potential. ICS Webtop on the other hand is a joke and is a move in the wrong direction. ICS Webtop should be an extension of "Mirroring Mode" and Moto should replace the current Webtop with a proper desktop environment. If Ubuntu and I can run a proper desktop environment on an Atrix/Photon why the hell can't Motorola. Here's a write up as to why stock Webtop and ICS Webtop are full of fail.
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Useless if you are locked but if you unlock it has near unlimited potential. ICS Webtop on the other hand is a joke and is a move in the wrong direction. ICS Webtop should be an extension of "Mirroring Mode" and Moto should replace the current Webtop with a proper desktop environment. If Ubuntu and I can run a proper desktop environment on an Atrix/Photon why the hell can't Motorola. Here's a write up as to why stock Webtop and ICS Webtop are full of fail.
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Wow, they are moving backwards
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Well what is webtop good for? What specific uses?
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Citrix web apps. And if you use it for work, and your company has a draconian device policy that makes it easier to authorise one device and use it on multiple screens rather than actually use a laptop.
Apologies for neglecting the Ubuntop/Webtop Plus dev. Have yet to try it thanks to being stuck on locked Moto devices myself. Looks great, and I can think of many more uses for a full Linux distro in my pocket.
I actually like what they're doing with the new webtop, though I wish it was more powerful and could run the phone apps in a window like the old webtop. There's a lot of merit in taking advantage of Android's built in scaling, and having a separate UI with widgets and so on for larger screens is a great idea.
Ultimately I wish webtop was ChromeOS, since that would make the most sense from a Google product and service consolidation perspective.
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Looks like tegra 3 won't be out till 2013
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tegra 3 is out now, tegra 3 + (lte support wont be out til late this year, the phones are already being made and software tested. ALL the high end sprint phones will have s4 chips this year.
I'd be ok with a quad core S4 like that lg superphone is rumored to have.
So with webtop just blowing chunks, can you get ubuntu to run on a stock photon that's locked? Or is unlocking mandatory?
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i really doubt it will have the quad core, sprint isnt gunna one up the evo a few months after by having such a much nicer phone.
and ubuntu isnt even out yet so its not possible at all right now
Like Loki said, his Ubuntop makes webtop into a beast. Your performance will compare with the original netbooks in some ways, but in another it just makes your device infinitely more versatile than just a netbook. Even if you don't extend webtop, basically imagine a Chromebook that uses Firefox instead of Chrome. The only other native application would be the Cell phone window that lets you use your cell phone in an IM like form.
It's not all bad, it's a heck of a lot better for nothing. Before I changed webtop I mostly read webcomics, social sites and used Google Docs. After Lokifish's improvements I now have Bluefish, Abiword, Gnumeric, a real desktop experience that doesn't sacrifice anything from the phone. It is only too awesome to have your phone move seamlessly from being a handset to a miniature computer without any skips in calls or text messages. Since I chose to integrate Google Voice I can text from the web without anyone being the wiser.
so. ...... what can we do now top make whip or get ubuntop now? ... and how do i do the hdmi hack? before people start saying search function or google. i trust people on xda..... and the search function using the app on my phone always says no results no matter what i put in
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Ubuntu actually being a full fledged mobile os is pure speculation right now unless I'm missing recent news. Canotical was vague on the subject. It very well could be talking about some sort of official webtop-esk support.
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so. ...... what can we do now top make whip or get ubuntop now? ... and how do i do the hdmi hack? before people start saying search function or google. i trust people on xda..... and the search function using the app on my phone always says no results no matter what i put in
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HDMI hack....if your talking about Nebtop: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1404625
Loki's Ubuntop: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1281528
CCallahan said:
HDMI hack....if your talking about Nebtop: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1404625
Loki's Ubuntop: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1281528
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for that dang locked bootloader:/
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Webtop sucks. Useless. Has really specific use case scenarios and very, very little beyond that. Good news is Moto know this, and have made some head way towards fixing it with the new ICS webtop on the RAZR, which will presumably be included on the Photon's ICS update. It's basically the ICS tablet interface with properly scaled apps and a separate home screen layout from the phone. Quite cool.
Tegra 3 is ****e, though, and I can't imagine the LTE variant will be any better. Snapdragon S4 trounces it in very meaningful ways like browser performance, battery life, and audio quality. I desperately wish the international/open market One X had S4 instead of Tegra 3 (Though I still wouldn't buy it because the One X has no SD slot... Whereas the Evo LTE does). If I had the option, you bet I'd buy the Evo LTE over whatever Moto churns out at the end of this year. Next year, under Google, Moto might have a shot - and open bootloaders. This year I for one have been burned enough.
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Would you like some coffee with your negativity?
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Would you like some coffee with your negativity?
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Lmaoooo
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Is there any way to actually make the GPU render the friggin' UI? Like iOS. I've had an iPhone 3GS in my Hands and it was really smooth.. I later on checked the spec's at home (600mhz single core cpu, 256mb ram), so does anyone know how to make Android as smooth as iOS? Or is there any ROM which you think is really smooth?
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Is there any way to actually make the GPU render the friggin' UI? Like iOS. I've had an iPhone 3GS in my Hands and it was really smooth.. I later on checked the spec's at home (600mhz single core cpu, 256mb ram), so does anyone know how to make Android as smooth as iOS? Or is there any ROM which you think is really smooth?
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yes. use ICS... and use updated GPU drivers. i would go on to tell you to use sense 4, but for the sake of your ease, stick with 3.6.
in this order... flash ICS w/ 3.6sense, flash chad's kernel which can be found @ infectedrom.com. flash gpu drivers. then, if you REALLY wanna boost that ****, use zepelinrox's V6 Supercharger (the option of 1000hp) and his Kick-Ass-Kernalizer. Optionally, use his 3g Turbocharger. Those three things of his, are scripts, which you can execute with Script Manager. If you do some reearch on the things I have stated here (this goes for many other users), you will never even remember why the hell Apple came up with the idea to go mobile...
ugh....iphone...what a waste of time/space continuums...
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yes. use ICS... and use updated GPU drivers. i would go on to tell you to use sense 4, but for the sake of you ease, stick with 3.6.
ugh....iphone...what a waste of time/space continuums...
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The updated GPU drivers and forced GPU rendering doesn't really seem to do anything.
Toxina said:
The updated GPU drivers and forced GPU rendering doesn't really seem to do anything.
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... what rom. i swear if its not ICS... are you still on 2.3.4 Cobra ROM?............................................................
if you cannot tell the difference, you either did it wrong, or have bad eyes.
maybe iPhone was better for you?
btw never ever ever mentioned anyhing about forced GPU rendering... i was implying that you knew that ICS uses HW.. (erm Hardware) Acceleration.
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iOS renders the UI so fast because it is only showing pictures. Flip through the pictures in your gallery. That is all that iOS is doing with the homescreens. With Android, it actually renders everything because of the availability of widgets and live wallpapers.
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Read.
http://goo.gl/5iLSk
Here's a quote that is towards the end of the post from the link I attached.
DDiaz007 said:
Android UI will never be completely smooth because of the design constraints I discussed at the beginning:
- UI rendering occurs on the main thread of an app
- UI rendering has normal priority
Even with a Galaxy Nexus, or the quad-core EeePad Transformer Prime, there is no way to guarantee a smooth frame rate if these two design constraints remain true. It’s telling that it takes the power of a Galaxy Nexus to approach the smoothness of a three year old iPhone. So why did the Android team design the rendering framework like this?
Work on Android started before the release of the iPhone, and at the time Android was designed to be a competitor to the Blackberry. The original Android prototype wasn’t a touch screen device. Android’s rendering trade-offs make sense for a keyboard and trackball device. When the iPhone came out, the Android team rushed to release a competitor product, but unfortunately it was too late to rewrite the UI framework.
This is the same reason why Windows Mobile 6.5, Blackberry OS, and Symbian have terrible touch screen performance. Like Android, they were not designed to prioritise UI rendering. Since the iPhone’s release, RIM, Microsoft, and Nokia have abandoned their mobile OS’s and started from scratch. Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone.
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DDiaz007 said:
Read.
http://goo.gl/5iLSk
Here's a quote that is towards the end of the post from the link I attached.
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First off, thank you.
Secondly; why do they keep bringing out 2core, 4core phones with 1gb ram etc. if the ****ing problem is the OS? Can't they rewrite those lines? Like I really don't get it tbh, and ICS' HW or Rom's with "forced GPU rendering" aren't really helping. Google should get its **** together :/
Toxina said:
First off, thank you.
Secondly; why do they keep bringing out 2core, 4core phones with 1gb ram etc. if the ****ing problem is the OS? Can't they rewrite those lines? Like I really don't get it tbh, and ICS' HW or Rom's with "forced GPU rendering" aren't really helping. Google should get its **** together :/
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In short, they simply can't rewrite how android handles the UI rendering priority. If they wanted to, they would have had to start with scratch. It isn't as simple as changing a few lines code.
Heck, changing a few lines of code is going to break something else, and then they would have to fix that, and fixing that may break something else. See where I'm going?
I'm no expert, and if anyone is, then please chime in. To my understanding, something like this isn't as delicate as you may think. Everything is running off that particular code on how Android operates the UI rendering priority. Changing the fundamental thing that helps Android operate, would mean everything else would have to follow suit.
Oh, and I forgot to mention HW acceleration does make a difference.
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If you want super smooth performance, I would highly suggest mean rom 4.3 with chads latest gingerbread kernel. Then get launcher pro as it is extremely smooth and I prefer it over the stock launcher anyway. I have next to no lag with that combo
Lololololol @ ios being faster...there homescreen is a bunch of pictures moving around..what does it need to render? They don't have widgets lolol
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I have an iPod Touch 4th gen and notice lag in that. It is smoother, but much more boring in terms of the ui. Trade offs I guess. But honestly, no matter which rom I run on my EVO 3D, I rarely, but not never, notice lag other than immediately after powering on. Maybe it's just me though.
"How come you are not baptized?"
My phone is always smooth..learn to use android
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Cetus Corr said:
I have an iPod Touch 4th gen and notice lag in that. It is smoother, but much more boring in terms of the ui. Trade offs I guess. But honestly, no matter which rom I run on my EVO 3D, I rarely, but not never, notice lag other than immediately after powering on. Maybe it's just me though.
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Well the ui is so simple it shouldn't lag..and ios is pictures so its not really rendering much
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ZeRo2o9 said:
My phone is always smooth..learn to use android
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ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
Troll or not it's been admitted even by the Android devs that iOS is smoother. Only because it runs a simplistic way. I'm fine with my 3D and prefer the added benefits of Android
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ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
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>OP asks, with no hostility, how to make his Android device smoother
>You respond, almost insulting him right off the bat
>He says he doesn't notice a difference
>You decide to be completely hostile back
So just because he tried what you suggested and it didn't make the difference he was looking for, you decide that he is a troll and a fanboy and go off on him acting like you're superior?
Sounds like YOU'RE the fanboy.
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>OP asks, with no hostility, how to make his Android device smoother
>You respond, almost insulting him right off the bat
>He says he doesn't notice a difference
>You decide to be completely hostile back
So just because he tried what you suggested and it didn't make the difference he was looking for, you decide that he is a troll and a fanboy and go off on him acting like you're superior?
Sounds like YOU'RE the fanboy.
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What people need to realize is being a douchey Android fanboy is no better than being a stupid apple fanboy.
They both have their ups and downs. iOS is way smoother in terms of UI which I do agree with.
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ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
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I'm currently running Anryl's newest ROM (without the buggy NEW drivers you suggested). I think it's sad and even more pathetic how you have to insult me in that way, it really does show your mentality.
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yousefak said:
What people need to realize is being a douchey Android fanboy is no better than being a stupid apple fanboy.
They both have their ups and downs. iOS is way smoother in terms of UI which I do agree with.
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But Apple is evil!!!!!!! Android4eva
ok just to clarify... i dont give a flying anything what you all think about me, being hostile from the start. no i was not. i gave precise instructions to help, post #2 and post #4. but since those things were ignored, i gathered my perception of the OP. i had a nice writeup for people to get their 3G speeds up to par, but you know what. screw this community. bunch of flame-hards.
and yes, i didn 'almost insultingly' post something... on the second page... get off your high horses... im done with XDA... just a leech now. screw you guys.
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/06/11/...really-detrimental-to-the-android-experience/
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/257307/dual_core_processors_wasted_on_android_intel_claims.html
according to intels general manager dual cores are not doing us any good. That obviously means quadcores are going to do even less for us.
Just Intel propaganda as they are trying to get into the mobile processor market.
Hmm perhaps but at the same time makes sense. These phones should fly but I also know it has to do with the VM
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ckoadiyn said:
Hmm perhaps but at the same time makes sense. These phones should fly but I also know it has to do with the VM
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The thing we have to realize here is that Android was designed to cater to different hardware configurations vs let's say Apple's direction for mobile, they have control of the hardware so they can customize drivers with their software.It also depends how the application uses the hardware too. Dual-core "I believe" is about right, because these apps are not really going to utilize it.
Intel needs to "put their money where their mouth is." All they need to do is make a single core soc that competes with the s4 and tegra 3 AND within a reasonable budget for me to believe and trust them. Till then its just smack talk.
guy has a point there, and a valid one...I remember when we got the first dual core phone and it wasn't nearly optimized to take full use of it...So in the end it makes sense overall...Esp when you look at it from apps and everything else that doesn't take full advantage of everything available...least thats my thinking on it...
BUT I highly doubt Intel is scared and trying to pull a marketing scheme as some of the things they announced at CES for the future of mobile SoC line for them was amazing...down the the tiny nm processing to the features pushing for...
Also its Intel....their stuff wont be bad in the end of things, once they get solid footing here...
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guy has a point there, and a valid one...I remember when we got the first dual core phone and it wasn't nearly optimized to take full use of it...So in the end it makes sense overall...Esp when you look at it from apps and everything else that doesn't take full advantage of everything available...least thats my thinking on it...
BUT I highly doubt Intel is scared and trying to pull a marketing scheme as some of the things they announced at CES for the future of mobile SoC line for them was amazing...down the the tiny nm processing to the features pushing for...
Also its Intel....their stuff wont be bad in the end of things, once they get solid footing here...
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Thank you first logical post lol obviously its a marketing scheme not like they don't almost have a monopoly anyways. Lol and I think dual cores this gen anyways is somewhat better then the s3 and I'm sure they are better then the exynos.
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Not the right person to believe. It's like believing Steve jobs when he said people don't want phones larger than 3.5" screen.
Once their stuff is released and a third party with no ties, including advertising, can test it then i will believe.
ckoadiyn said:
Thank you first logical post lol obviously its a marketing scheme not like they don't almost have a monopoly anyways. Lol and I think dual cores this gen anyways is somewhat better then the s3 and I'm sure they are better then the exynos.
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Actually, Intel has maybe a 5% market share in chips. So they don't have a monopoly lol. There's this one company with a super high market share, I forgot the name.
But this is interesting. Reminds of the "S4 is faster because Android isn't made for quad cores!" argument.
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I'd bet that most lower-end dual-core Androids really aren't optimized for it. There are some pretty cheap handsets out there, and the experience with them sucks.
On the other hand, though, the manufacturers who make quality phones (HTC) know what they're doing.
It sounds just like the argument iPhans used to make two years ago - they'd talk about how Android was not a good OS because the phones they tried were laggy, slow, and stuttered... ignoring entirely the fact that they were playing with the cheap Android phones. Put a resource-intensive OS in cheap hardware and the experience will suck.
And to an earlier point, Intel is trying to get into the mobile space... and their mobile processors are single core. It's in their best interest to make people leery of their dual-core competition.
I agree with the article 100%, mostly. For now, all enabling dual cores does is inflate useless benchmarks and kill the battery.
The bad part of the article is trying to compare today's processor arch with old stuff.
My personal opinion... Taylor Martin is a moron. Most of his articles on Phonedog are useless!
Medfield is a single core. Maybe they are just trying to defend their product.
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Actually, Intel has maybe a 5% market share in chips. So they don't have a monopoly lol. There's this one company with a super high market share, I forgot the name.
But this is interesting. Reminds of the "S4 is faster because Android isn't made for quad cores!" argument.
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Even in the pc world? That's what I was referring to I understand mobile wise they don't have much or any... Hence the they don't need a scheme
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This article is about 99.99% right. There is some obvious bias in it, but it holds a lot of truth.
The fact is that Android wasn't built to be "silky smooth". Take a look at WP7 for example, those phones run as smooth as any phone can run and they are all single core processors, yesteryear android specs. The architecture of the OS is 100x more important than processing power and it's sad to say that Google absolutely did not focus on this when they started creating Android. Keep in mine that they started before Apple or Windows in building Android, so they probably just didn't have the foresight.
With that being said, I am as big of an Android fan as any of you and I don't plan on changing any time soon but the fact remains that our operating system will most likely never be as smooth as WP or ios. We win by a milestone though when it comes to functionality.