I just noticed a Copley of dead pixels on my touchpad. Do I have any recourse with HP to get it fixed?
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I had a single dead or stuck pixel and live chatted with WebOS' support and they offered to take mine and either fix or replace it. Unlike many other manufacturers, they seem to deem dead pixels a defect (a lot of other companies just say "tough luck"). This was shortly after the firesale so I ended up just keeping mine because there were reports of people that weren't going to get their TP (or a "new" one) back for several weeks/months.
The TouchPad has diagnostics that you can run.. have you tried those YouTube dead pixel fixers?
Thanks for the replies. I'll try both the diagnostics and HP support.
HP support is taking it in for repair.
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Keep us updated on how long the process takes. I had a dead pixel right out of the box but don't really notice it when I'm using it. Just don't want to go through the hassle of getting it repaired if it's a long process.
So far so good. They overnighted me a box that I got today. Sent it in today (2-day) shipping. I'll let you know how long it takes.
what about light leakage because I have this awful yellow glow top right corner when there are dark colors displayed.
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what about light leakage because I have this awful yellow glow top right corner when there are dark colors displayed.
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I have the same issue except it's the upper left
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Thanks Nasty64, please keep us updated.
Regarding the light leakage -- again, I would recommend contacting HP's webOS support. You can do a live chat or call in and they'll give you your options. I personally don't know how they'll handle that issue, but I have been blown away by how well they support the TP still, even after the firesale and seeming demise.
I sent my 2 TP for 3 times of repair (one with cracks and other with the problem of touch screen). They surely support TP very well
Can someme name a dead pixel fixer software someone mentioned before
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It's diagnostics. Go to DEVICE INFO > UPPER LEFT CORNER > DIAGNOSTICS... > SCREEN
If that doesn't work, go to YouTube type pixel fixer.
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It's diagnostics. Go to DEVICE INFO > UPPER LEFT CORNER > DIAGNOSTICS... > SCREEN
If that doesn't work, go to YouTube type pixel fixer.
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thank you my girls touchpad has a very odd form if dead pixels looks like frowny face no lie
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Got the touchpad back today - so very quick turnaround from HP. Seems to be fixed.
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Got the touchpad back today - so very quick turnaround from HP. Seems to be fixed.
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That's awesome. Thanks for the update.
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Hi there,
I just got my touchpad 16gb and on boot (dark) my screen looks like this:
Is this normal on touchpad or should I send it back.
Thanks for your opinions!
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Hi there,
I just got my touchpad 16gb and on boot (dark) my screen looks like this:
Is this normal on touchpad or should I send it back.
Thanks for your opinions!
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It's an IPS display pannel screen, which are known for being super bright and having light bleed on blacks. However, they also have the best color gamut (range) and quality. Apple uses them for all of their displays (including the ipad). You could turn down the brightness a bit if it bothers you.
Mine had the same issue
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Mine had the same issue
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What do you mean by had? Did you send it in for repairs or did you cope?
Thanks.
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Hi there,
I just got my touchpad 16gb and on boot (dark) my screen looks like this:
Is this normal on touchpad or should I send it back.
Thanks for your opinions!
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If I were you I'd definitely send it back while you still can and claim one of the 100,000 - 200,000 HP is going to produce next month. Mine has a slight cloudyness / gohsting effect like yours but is barely noticeable even on max brightness on a black screen. These Touchpads have been know to have screen defects due to improper installation or settling in during production. So if it were me I'd send it in for repair. Sorry you just got it and will end up missing it while its away I feel your pain. Hope I could help.
To fix the issue...
Go to setting and slide down the BRIGHTNESS...
Hope to solve your screen issue.
Mine looks identical to yours. Though I don't notice it very often in normal use.reminds me of my old g2x screen (also ips). I guess just live with it.
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Mine looks similar. Luckily it's only really noticeable as the device boots.
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backlight clouding
my touchpad got the same issue, seems to be normal, sadly
Add another one to the list.
All 3 touchpads I purchased exhibit similar backlight bleeding--all along the same left side, near the speakers.
1 was about as severe as the attached picture in the OP. The others minimal.
My guess is faulty design in tandem with the IPS technology resulting in what seems to be widespread--aka normal.
Yeah, i notice it on my normal desktop IPS monitors as well, but mostly if you have brightness way up and a full black screen. IPS has a drawback that it does not display true black very well. I keep my normal monitors at like 30-40% brightness (much higher and I would go blind from it) and I don't really notice it.
All are the same
Have seen 6 of them plus mine...same issues.
Deal with it at 99... whe ask perfection for a tablet at the price of the photo frame. HP should return your money and donate the tablet to a poor kid in the third world. They will save some money in that case...
If less means "more" than "all" will be nothing!
Yeah my Asus Transformer IPS panel also had light bleed. It the IPS panels are excellent screens, but this is one of the prices you pay. Besides during normal use you don't really notice it.
I advise not staring at your screen while it's booting up.
Got my TP back from the European Service Center (located in Hungary) today.
Well, the bleeding on the left edge of the screen got slightly better BUT the operation left visible marks on the housing.
It seems they pried the Touchpad open with some sort of tool around in the area of the rubber seal surrounding the display, thus leaving "screwdriver-marks".
I will contact HP Support again.
Should have listened to you IPS Panel guys
Green tint, blue tint, lines....etc..
My first device had problems making calls.
Second device had a white burn in mark.
Third device has a faint white horizontal line near the bottom...
Really?
I've also seen a few people complaining that they had circles burned in to the screen
Now is this a problem with OLED screens in general, or is this just a poorly made device? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the phone, but this is getting ridiculous.
I've had 2 devices in the past 3 days (Best Buy wouldn't match Sam's Club tax pricing) and I haven't had an issue with the screen on either. There's the slight bluish tint when you look at an angle but nothing I'd consider an issue myself.
My screen is great no lines or nothing. I think the amoled screens just intensify the colors so much people think the colors are tinted...and maybe they are...still looks amazing
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I have only has one sgs2 phone (the only one walmart got ) and the phones screen is beautiful how did you get so unlucky where did you get it
SGS2 is from the ATT store... no issues....
Ditto
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Got mine from best buy. No issues
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First 2 devices were purchased from an AT&T store in Wayne,NJ. Third device was purchased from an AT&T store in West Caldwell, NJ
First device from AT&T store, no issues.
I believe I read in the normal Galaxy SII thread that theres a screen calibration app that fixes it. I'll see if I can't find it.
Here are a couple pics showing my issue. Don't know if I should return it or not...
Not the best pics, but you should be able to see the darker center. The light part that looks like a white line goes upwards on the right side as well.
I upgraded today at the local ATT store... first one had a very noticeable coloration problem in the lower right hand corner, almost in the shape of a triangle... Went back and exchanged it... Number 2 looked fine when I powered it on at the store, but now I am noticing the same lightness. I created a simple gray jpg and emailed it to myself (so I can open it using gmail and see it) and it was really bad on number 1... Number 2 barely noticeable.
I will give it a couple days, perhaps the screen will work this problem out itself... otherwise I will be going back to the ATT store for another exchange.
Don
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I upgraded today at the local ATT store... first one had a very noticeable coloration problem in the lower right hand corner, almost in the shape of a triangle... Went back and exchanged it... Number 2 looked fine when I powered it on at the store, but now I am noticing the same lightness. I created a simple gray jpg and emailed it to myself (so I can open it using gmail and see it) and it was really bad on number 1... Number 2 barely noticeable.
I will give it a couple days, perhaps the screen will work this problem out itself... otherwise I will be going back to the ATT store for another exchange.
Don
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It's been a couple days, so I think I'm going to return mine. I might just hold out for the next powerful phone. I'm having trouble with data and receiving texts on this device anyways. Oh well
SGS2 from an AT&T store and it's amazing. No problems at all.
For some reason the only time I get a green tint is with auto brightness on. When its off there's no tint regardless of the brightness level
I actually returned my first SII to Best Buy. Had a big white triangle in the bottom left corner. Obvious when the notification shade is down. Best viewed on gray colors. Got a 2nd, had slight circles burned into the top. But they were very faint and I gave it a few days. Completely gone.
Why would it take a few days to go away
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Why would it take a few days to go away
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No clue. The triangle didn't go away on the first phone. The insignificant burn in on the second one (dim dim outlines of circles at the top, probably from a testing app Samsung uses) went away after a few days. I guess the screen adjusted.
Nothing but absolutely spectacular performance from my Sunday AM Best Buy purchase.
Bound to be a percent or two failed units.
Too busy finding and loading apps....
Only a single force close so far, probably me being impatient.
God I love this phone.
My phone seems to go dim from time to time.
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Hello all,
Got my Transformer Prime on Monday, and just started playing with it today. Right off the bat, I notice that on white screens there is a blank white 'dot' that takes up a couple of pixels. It's almost like there is a hole in the screen, but you can't see it when the pixels are black. I attached a picture (to the right of the word 'medicine' - more noticeable in person).
Here's the conundrum - if I return it to Amazon, I will probably have to wait another month or however long before I get the tablet. If I keep the tablet, I'll probably be irritated with this white dot hovering on all my screens.
What to do! I'm assuming this is a hardware issue? Does anybody know how to figure out what it is?
UPDATE: Talked to Amazon. Only recourse is to send the tablet back. Estimated delivery date for a replacement is Jan 25th - Feb. 8th 2012.
UPDATE 2: Spoke too soon - an Amazon representative has placed an order for another Prime at $0, so that I can return my current one when I get the replacement. So I'm not without a tablet for months. Have to say, I'm impressed.
thats easily visible.
My OCD would never let me live with that. i would suggest you return it once the stock is up. most stores give you 2 weeks for returns.
Play with it for now, you might find other defects too.
I'd live with it and write it off as part of the perils of an early adoption.
Looks like some stuck pixels and you can try the following:
-Massage the area with light pressure.
-Grab or view a animated stuck pixel image (google it)
-or...it can go away on it's own after a little time.
other then that swap it out or just wait it out and see if it doesn't just go away.
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I'd live with it and write it off as part of the perils of an early adoption.
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Lol wtf does this have to do with early adoption?
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Going to wait until the very last day of the return window (30 days), and see how stock is looking then.
I'm OCD for sure, but this is definitely noticeable. Not a catastrophe... but even my wife noticed.
--- An Amazon representative has placed an order for another Prime at $0, so that I can return my current one when I get the replacement. So I'm not without a tablet for months. Have to say, I'm impressed.
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Looks like some stuck pixels and you can try the following:
-Massage the area with light pressure.
-Grab or view a animated stuck pixel image (google it)
-or...it can go away on it's own after a little time.
other then that swap it out or just wait it out and see if it doesn't just go away.
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Thanks a ton.
Light pressure doesn't work, at least for the minute I did it.
Trying JScreenFix app for 10 minutes. Will keep my fingers crossed. <--- Didn't work. Still there. But maybe got better?
pressure on the screen wont help. thats a manufacturing defect. It appears amazon offered you the best possible solution.
Now you can enjoy your prime, while the rest of us wait for stock
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Hello all,
Got my Transformer Prime on Monday, and just started playing with it today. Right off the bat, I notice that on white screens there is a blank white 'dot' that takes up a couple of pixels. It's almost like there is a hole in the screen, but you can't see it when the pixels are black. I attached a picture (to the right of the word 'medicine' - more noticeable in person).
Here's the conundrum - if I return it to Amazon, I will probably have to wait another month or however long before I get the tablet. If I keep the tablet, I'll probably be irritated with this white dot hovering on all my screens.
What to do! I'm assuming this is a hardware issue? Does anybody know how to figure out what it is?
UPDATE: Talked to Amazon. Only recourse is to send the tablet back. Estimated delivery date for a replacement is Jan 25th - Feb. 8th 2012.
UPDATE 2: Spoke too soon - an Amazon representative has placed an order for another Prime at $0, so that I can return my current one when I get the replacement. So I'm not without a tablet for months. Have to say, I'm impressed.
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good on amazon, if i were you i would keep both.
give one to blaziner18, or me. I would like the broken one, give it to me. i want it, send it to me, ill pay... for it... please... GIVE ME IT NOW
FWIW, I have a dead pixel on my nook color tablet. It bothered me a lot at the beginning, but now I don't even notice it. But great that Amazon is taking care of that.
BTW, a swallowed pen in her stomach for 25 years!? I'd like to know what she was thinking when the doctor didn't believe that she swallowed the pen: "Hmm... well, OK, I'll just deal with this pen in my stomach." Lol!
Go Amazon! And this is why I like them. Far better to deal with Amazon than anyone on eBay. I wonder how many of these tablets will have little screen quirks like that. I hope it's extremely limited. I know ASUS doesn't make the screens themselves.
Either way, Amazon is hooking you up. I can't believe everything is pre-order right now. I think by the time I get my prime ICS will be available on it.
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good on amazon, if i were you i would keep both.
give one to blaziner18, or me. I would like the broken one, give it to me. i want it, send it to me, ill pay... for it... please... GIVE ME IT NOW
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LOL...
Mine has the same problem. Ordered from Best Buy so will have to wait for stock to come in I suppose.
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Mine has the same problem. Ordered from Best Buy so will have to wait for stock to come in I suppose.
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What are you gonna do about it? It's irritating me to see this little white dot all the time. What's weird is that it's not visible on black, and worst when it's white.
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What are you gonna do about it? It's irritating me to see this little white dot all the time. What's weird is that it's not visible on black, and worst when it's white.
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Gonna exchange it in-store in a few weeks if it doesn't somehow go away on its own. I can't simply ignore this. It's exactly the same as you are saying... very frustrating.
Mine came in today, just opened it and of course it has zero charge, ugh.
When plugged in, the screen turns on for a split second to show the charging icon, then turns off... but in that split second, I can already see one dead white pixel, and a blotch that looks simaler to the OP's... I'l have to wait until it fully charges so I can really examine it more, but not looking good... and I ordered mine from BestBuy, bah!
Just curious if anyone who was experiencing this issue has seen it improve. Didn't have a chance to check mine before I left for work this AM.
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Just curious if anyone who was experiencing this issue has seen it improve. Didn't have a chance to check mine before I left for work this AM.
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No improvement in mine so far.
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I just returned mine at Best Buy. I will wait until next month to try my luck at a Prime from another batch. Such a bummer. I didn't want to keep it too long and end up getting stuck with it somehow (read: accidentally damaging it).
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Just got my Prime from Best Buy. I haven't seen anyone post this but I noticed with the screen on or off, I can see miniature tiny dots all over the screen grouped in about 32 columns and 60 rows. Is this normal or do I have a defective screen? It's quite noticeable when I tilt it around with the screen off and a light on overhead as you can see the dots in the reflection.
Didn't notice that on mine for the few hours I had it man.
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hi guys
I have probleme in my touchpad . I got yellow spots in corners
Anyone got this probleme
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Same here, I have 2 of them near to speakers. I only see them when the screen is black( like webos booting). Probably something is pressing to lcd. Can we do something against it? Does it go under warranty?
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Same here, I have 2 of them near to speakers. I only see them when the screen is black( like webos booting). Probably something is pressing to lcd. Can we do something against it? Does it go under warranty?
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last i was have 2 but now i 6 spots
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Same here, I have 2 of them near to speakers. I only see them when the screen is black( like webos booting). Probably something is pressing to lcd. Can we do something against it? Does it go under warranty?
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Now i understand its backlight bleeding and its in all touchpad
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I have them at random spots at random times (sometimes right at the middle of the screen); I tried sending it in for repair, but they just sent it back after doing a doctor - so the problem is still there.
Took some pics when it happened if someone wants to see it.
Maybe dead pixels?
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No, in my case, it tends to come and go as it pleases.
I have those spots as well. I think its just normal clouding as on most TVs. Since its only visible when the screen is completely black, its not that much of a problem.
One time I pressed down on the center of the screen by mistake with my elbow, and when I looked at the screen there was a yellow light halo in the center about an inch wide. I freaked out, but I 'massaged' the screen softly in the center and it went away. Might be something pressing behind the screen ?
I've yet to get my TP, hopefully by next week.
But as I read all your posts, it sounds a little bit like "Screen Burn in".
But, burn in usually most noticable with a white screen, not a black screen like some you have mentioned. Again I'm just taking a wild guess here.
I guess I will be able to contribute more when I get my device.
But then again I'm Hoping I won't have this problem at all.
=o)
Edit: 02/10/2012
I've had my HPTP for over a week now and have yet to experience any yellow spots on the screen anywhere.
Could this be an issue that happens over a period of time?
How long have you guys had your HPTP before this problem started?
I have the problem also. There are also some issues, like glue-points between the display and the cover, the display sticks off at the home button and there are other issues of the production. My touchpad is only a few weeks old and now i will send it back under warranty.
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I have the problem also. There are also some issues, like glue-points between the display and the cover, the display sticks off at the home button and there are other issues of the production. My touchpad is only a few weeks old and now i will send it back under warranty.
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I'd sent mine off and 2 weeks later on, I got it back the same way I'd sent it except it now came with webos 3.0.2
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I'd sent mine off and 2 weeks later on, I got it back the same way I'd sent it except it now came with webos 3.0.2
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yup, same thing just happened to me
On the left side and up in the corner if it is a yellowish on dark that is lightbleed. I have it bad enough it is very visible even at 50%. This appears to be a common issue. I sent mine in for something else and it came back with still light bleed. They have offered advanced replacement, but the more I read the more I believe this is common and will never be fully free of it.
Here's a slideshow for people to make fun of:
http://img600.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=img20111213142743.jpg
Its actually worse than the camera picks up;
That is horrible and nothing remotely like light bleed. Send that bad boy in.
Yeah thats nothing like what I have. You should send that in
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That is horrible and nothing remotely like light bleed. Send that bad boy in.
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I already have, but as mentioned, it just came back the same way; I've had this problem since I've bought it.
The worst ones are at the edges of the screen, but I didn't manage to get pics of when it happened.
Looks like internal screen delamination. That should def. be covered under your warranty as its a manufacturing defect that occurred when the screen was originally made. It's nothing you did.
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Looks like internal screen delamination. That should def. be covered under your warranty as its a manufacturing defect that occurred when the screen was originally made. It's nothing you did.
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The problem is that even though its under warranty, they don't do anything about it - possibly because they do not notice it as it pops up at random times.
Dang! Just got a hot pixel in my 3rd brand new prime after returning twice in the past couple of months. As much as i love the prime design, i think i am going to jump ship. Too many issues to deal with
Hot pixel? What's that?
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Hot pixel? What's that?
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I'm wondering the same thing..lol
Hot pixels are individual pixels which look much brighter than they should. They are also called sparkles.
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Interesting never heard of or seen it before must be pretty rare.
I didn't know what a "hot pixel" was until I read this, I used to simply call them "super bright pixel defect(s)"
Pics, or it didn't happen.
#ThrowsMoneyAtScreen
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lol i have the same thing. doesnt bother me though. it's like an inch from the bottom halfway across the screen. think of it as adding character to your prime
i'll prob be returning mine to tiger direct and getting a different unit...hopefully one of the newest batches!
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lol i have the same thing. doesnt bother me though. it's like an inch from the bottom halfway across the screen. think of it as adding character to your prime
i'll prob be returning mine to tiger direct and getting a different unit...hopefully one of the newest batches!
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Not possible to ignore. It's pretty much in the middle of the screen.
Here is a picture of it. It's much larger than a pixel so i am not sure exactly what you call this.
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Not possible to ignore. It's pretty much in the middle of the screen.
Here is a picture of it. It's much larger than a pixel so i am not sure exactly what you call this.
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Yeah that's annoying I'd return it too
What you're showing isn't a hot pixel. A hot pixel is the same as a stuck pixel and is much smaller (i.e., the size of a pixel). Your picture shows a different kind of defect, which I've been calling a bright spot. One of these developed on my Prime after owning it for a month. It's a similar size to yours and in a similar spot. I started a thread on this the other day.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1488012
**** that sucks!
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Interesting never heard of or seen it before must be pretty rare.
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Right now they are rare. In the early days of LCD it was a nightmare. Buying LCD then was like a lottery. The photo shows not a hot pixel but sth else though, not sure what - a dusk over the screen or some other defect.
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Not possible to ignore. It's pretty much in the middle of the screen.
Here is a picture of it. It's much larger than a pixel so i am not sure exactly what you call this.
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I've got one of them on my Prime, bottom left corner, I thought it was the LED backlight showing through..
Funny enough, I also have 4 on my HP Dreamcolor display equipped £2500 8740w laptop too!
Send it all back!
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I've got one of them on my Prime, bottom left corner, I thought it was the LED backlight showing through..
Funny enough, I also have 4 on my HP Dreamcolor display equipped £2500 8740w laptop too!
Send it all back!
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I have one too, and also think it's the backlight bleeding through. Also, I'm 100% sure my spot wasn't there when I got the tablet, and showed up over a month after having it.
Yes, I don't think it was there when i got the tablet on Tuesday. It just showed up yesterday. It's going back. Sux to re-customize the tablet every time I get a replacement
I have 4 bright spots... waiting to rma after wifi fix.
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Yes, I don't think it was there when i got the tablet on Tuesday. It just showed up yesterday. It's going back. Sux to re-customize the tablet every time I get a replacement
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Mine is in a very similar spot compared to yours. It's disconcerting that the spots both showed up after a while for both of us - mine showed up after a month of regular use. What if you swap it out, set it up again, and then have another spot show up months later?
I'm not RMA'ing mine at the moment, since there are so many other problems you can get with this tablet. I've been burned before exchanging tech items for small problems and getting back units with much worse problems. Plus, I've seen a few threads with people sending their units to Asus and then being told they won't get it back for over a month due to parts shortages. Also, I'm not holding my breath for it, but I'd hate to RMA for this now and then in a month, see a WiFi fix offered via RMA. Maybe I'll RMA it down the line, but certainly not now.
I just found two more spots
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I just found two more spots
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Do you think they were there all along and you just missed them, or do you think they're new? One of my concerns is more forming over time.