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Great article here:
http://www.brighthand.com/article/Windows_Mobile_SE_Upgrades_No_Big_Deal?site=PPC
But their point of view is based on just a regular Second Edition features. I think that for us, PE users the main concerns are:
1. Crappy BT stack implementation in the current version of WM
Absence of Hands Free profile, rudimental serial port utilization
2. Phone software limitations
No calling card support, no T9, flimsy controls in general
I wonder, if there is any previews of WM Second Edition PE. i was trying to find it with no apparent luck.
The gist of this article though is that it takes time and money even to produce previews etc. Think about it:
1. Manufacturer (eg HTC) has to produce a build that works for each customer
2. Customer (eg O2) has to ensure it's good enough for supply to end-developers
That takes TIME, MONEY and EFFORT.
In the greater scheme of life, PDA's are not as big as mobile phones, and last I looked operators sold more phones than pdas.
I can't see it happening....
I am looking forward to landscape mode support.
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The gist of this article though is that it takes time and money even to produce previews etc. Think about it:
1. Manufacturer (eg HTC) has to produce a build that works for each customer
2. Customer (eg O2) has to ensure it's good enough for supply to end-developers
That takes TIME, MONEY and EFFORT.
In the greater scheme of life, PDA's are not as big as mobile phones, and last I looked operators sold more phones than pdas.
I can't see it happening....
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It's IF they going to distribute this upgrade for free. I think, some people will pay for it reasonable price.
Just came across another thread on Club iMATE site. This is kind of official statement. Check it out:
http://www.clubimate.com/forums/printable.asp?m=2872&mpage=
It's true that some people would pay for an upgrade. However, some, including me, won't.
But if they don't release that update for free, they also won't sell any more units to me or my company. And I don't think they's like to lose customers, who would buy about 200 units.
Losing customers that aren't willing to pay for services rendered isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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It's true that some people would pay for an upgrade. However, some, including me, won't.
But if they don't release that update for free, they also won't sell any more units to me or my company. And I don't think they's like to lose customers, who would buy about 200 units.
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Hmmm.... they sold 100k units without offering an upgrade. I don't think 200 really makes that much different.
We expect the software to be perfect, and to be ready within weeks, and to be free. We complain when it isn't, yet we aren;t willing to pay for it.
Apple started charging for software upgrades, as do most other companies.
Perhaps this is why Dell and HP are saying get stuffed to upgrades - it just isn't worth it.
Even Nokia Service Centre charges £20 to flash up a mobile with the standard new code.
What's even worse is people who have the power to make a knee-jerk decision for their company, without looking at the total cost vs. total return on investment.
Anyway, as much as I like free stuff, I realize developers have to eat too. I don't mind paying for things of value, especially if it is a modest fee as others have charged in the past.
I really don't care about new features. All we need is a working BT stack... and that's something we should get for free. That's what we payed for already.
I mainly want the ability to use my device in landscape for Excel spreadsheets and surfing with PIE. Every application out there that does landscape forces a hard reset on my MDA II and none will work.
This and the hopefully improved Widcomm BT stack of the MDA III have be debating whether or not to upgrade.
Hey guys
I've been looking a LOT around amazon and such for a tablet under $100. Why under $100? I need it to be under that price because there's a very high "luxury" tax applied in my country to products over $100, and it's an extra money I would rather not give to the govt because it's plain ridiculous already. Also, I'm planning on getting two of them, and I can't afford more than $150-200 on them. Why? this stupid country only gives you a "coupon" of $400 to spend online -YEARLY-, and I don't want to use it all on just two tablets, or be left with less than $200-250 to spend on other stuff I also need.
Monetary reasons explained and set aside, I'm getting the tablet for my mom, who only needs to browse the web, get on facebook, get & reply to emails, maybe some chatting and whatnot. She doesn't need much and I'm sure a simple Zeepad or something similar would do, but I'm a power user who mods almost every device that comes across his hands, so I'm using this chance to get a tablet too -if- I like the one I'm buying to my mom.
My mom's needs are... well, the basics. Maybe playing a video or two and nothing else. Me, on the other hand, want to upgrade it to the highest android version available for it (whether it be GB or ICS, or even Froyo since some come with Eclair (Eww)) and give it lots of possible uses. These include using it as a VNC viewer, remote keyboard/mouse, some development (if I get a keyboard+case for it), some gaming (ok, maybe not THD or anything but if it runs Angry Birds I'm happy XD) etcetera.
So, to resume, I'm looking for something including these specs, if possible:
3G (optional but it would be a big plus)
WiFi (must, or if not, then 3G)
600-800Mhz CPU (ARM? Adreno? Cortex? wtf?!)
A decent GPU (PowerVR? (like my Defy)?, what's a good GPU in android devices anyways?)
No stylus-exclusive (avoid if possible)
No resistive screen (I've heard they suck, and I don't want to push a screen like if it were a button (Blackberry Storm anyone? Eww xD) and be forced to use a stylus. If I can use my fingers on a resistive screen and it feels like a capacitive one, then that's okay with me )
USB host (to be able to plug in USB drives, keyboards, mices, etc)
Ethernet port optional but cool if it has one.
Tethering ability (though I think this is more OS-dependant than anything else)
Full Android Market (stupid chinese tablets)
SD card reader
Medium-small size. My whole Nook Simple Touch has the right size for the screen size I'd like (I think that's 7-9 inches?), I don't want to carry a tablet of the size of a notebook. Something that can fit a big pocket in a jacket or a pant would be cool, like the NST . This is optional but not required.
Battery life to stand a lot. Hey, my phone lasts only a day even without WiFi turned on which sucks. I've heard their batteries are like 6 or more hours, which seems okay... I'm not really sure what is "good" in this aspect.
Camera would be cool.
Phone (or at least SMS) functions would be cool, too.
And last but not least, able to be upgraded, or at least with a good hacker community stabilished. I want to be able to upgrade the tablet to other android versions (I don't mind if they're experimental) or at least compile a version for it. With this, I'm saying I don't want to be using google translate to find info on how to install another ROM in my tablet because everything comes from chinese forums and the tablet uses a random, non-standard OMFG-9372 processor nobody knows -anything- about and have to use dodgy apps or hacks to modify it, mmkay? okay.
Now, I've done my homework and these are the items I've came up with, however I'm still looking for more devices:
EEpad MID: http://www.amazon.com/Android-Table...C2/ref=sr_1_99?ie=UTF8&qid=1334592070&sr=8-99
Elsse: http://www.amazon.com/Elsse-Interne.../ref=sr_1_125?ie=UTF8&qid=1334592099&sr=8-125
Pandigital: http://www.amazon.com/Pandigital-An...H0/ref=sr_1_60?ie=UTF8&qid=1334591812&sr=8-60
Zeepad: http://www.amazon.com/Zeepad-Tablet...7Q/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1334591744&sr=8-25
Skytex: http://www.amazon.com/Skytex-Primer...E0/ref=sr_1_50?ie=UTF8&qid=1334591812&sr=8-50
Zeepad (2): http://www.amazon.com/Zeepad-Androi...1_fkmr1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1334592627&sr=8-3-fkmr1
Coby Kyros: http://www.amazon.com/Coby-MID7015-.../ref=sr_1_121?ie=UTF8&qid=1334593041&sr=8-121
"Random" brands:
http://www.amazon.com/Boxchip-Corte...0K/ref=sr_1_82?ie=UTF8&qid=1334592041&sr=8-82
http://www.amazon.com/Tablet-Intern...5Q/ref=sr_1_91?ie=UTF8&qid=1334592986&sr=8-91
Now, my thoughts:
EEpad MID: Looks good, but it has no reviews, so that detracts me from buying it. I can't find much info on the web on modifying it though.
Elsse: Seems like an asian tablet with no official Android Market, but eh, what do you guys say?
Pandigital: Looks like it sucks .
Zeepad: There isn't much info about it
Skytex: Looks cheap-o and low-quality :/
Zeepad (2): Seems to have good features and such.
Coby Kyros: Now, this, coming from Coby it makes me think of a cheap device like the MP3 players they make, but surprisingly, it has more reviews than the rest of the tablets and it's under $100. Also, it seems to be more powerful than the rest of the ones I've looked at (in the links here), and the reviews seem to be good. It makes me think if it's possible to upgrade it to 2.2 or 2.3, it would be really cool if it would.
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Sorry for the long read!... in case you want a resume, I'm just looking for two tablets: A simple one for my mom to browse the web, emails, play some games, chat and etc, and another one (or the same one if possible) for a power-user who would modify/upgrade it and use it as an IT work tool (VNC viewer, dev. tool, document editing, pdf reading, flash, some gaming, etc).
Any thoughts you guys have in relation to an android tablet to get? what's something "good" and something "bad"? I'd like to see opinions, reviews or suggestions on other tablets to look for or what other keywords should I look for in Amazon?
Thanks in advance!
- DARKGuy
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Coby Kyros is listed as "resistive" on Amazon, i'm not sure you've noticed that. I think you should check the Ainol (or any allwinner based device). They have somewhat limited community and support but it should be good for performance and gaming. Or bump the price range to 150 and look at Cortex A9 devices with reputable brands..
I agree with NightWatch71 about the tablet but not the price. I found it at around $75 in some places, but that was a long time ago so I forgot. Try looking around on Google Shopping.
Prices on Amazon change so often it's almost impossible to keep up and new manufacturers are releasing tablets a dime a dozen
This list is kept up to date tabletninja.com/finding-the-best-tablets-under-100/
A lot of the same options listed with a few new options from some newbies
Hello guys!
I want so bad a tablet and I'm a very tough choice. My two choices are: Galaxy Tab Plus 7.7 (P6800) and Galaxy Tab 2 (P3110).
The matter is: while the P6800 costs around USD600 on Brazil, P3110 costs around USD300, but I think that P6800 is pretty much better in every aspect than P3110.
All I really want is a good tablet to play some games, read, browse on internet and stuff like that. 3G is something I don't use, so I don't care about it having it or not. In fact, I care, because the models without 3G tends to cost a lot less.
So I'm gonna ask you: which one is best, for what I want? I was looking for the P6810, the same as P6800 but without 3G, but it seems that Sammy never sold it here.
I will get disappointed if I buy the P3110? Do you guys have any other suggestion to me? Please remember that the price range here is very different from the rest of the world.
I'm open for every suggestions you can have, the only things I require are good battery life (at least 1 1/2 day with average usage) and MicroSD port. Thanks!
Hm... no one here to give a little advice?
Simple rule: if you are going to decide between two products of the same company, buy the one which costs more (if you can afford)!
Hey guys,
now I am currently in front of a big decision (its big for me yeah), but I think there are many people thinking about this.. Let's get to the point. I want to buy a new phone (I am deciding between latest devices on the market). Personally I don't think it is all about purchasing the best phone for you and that is it. Therefore I think the question should be something like: 'What brand I want to buy?' rather then what phone I want to buy. What do you think about this? Is it like that?
Here I am referring to things like smart TV mirroring, branded accessories, NFC accessories etc.
Android brands are becoming more conservative.
Personally I think the Nexus 4 is the best phone on the market, but then when i think about their accessories and things you can connect it to I am quite conscious. I know Samsung probably has the largest basis but its not android anymore, I love stock android. I hate rooting.
So what would be a possibility to eg. mirror a screen on N4 to some smart or normal LCD TV?
Is it the platform that makes a market now?
Does it make a sense to buy a nexus device?
Hi there,
I want a cheap tablet for my home automation system frontend.
Requirements:
Android
Wifi
up to 120$ (I think that should work)
around 10"
QI-chargeable (e.g. with http://www.tylt.com/images/media/product-images/VU-untitled-18-Edit.jpg) OR dock compatible
Browser running the javascript frontend
apps: weather, tvlistings, etc no special performance needed
Does this exist? What are the china brands to go for? Or is a used one cheaper?
I Initially wanted to mount it on a wall (not fixed) but I think this is a bit more difficult
to QI-charge or plug in. If I put it on a table, I can just use the normal QI stands..
Thanks a lot!
Christoph
I would really recommend you to buy something with more quality so you get something that actually lasts a while. I tried some of those cheap tables and they were pure trash. Could not even keep a simple webpage up and running.
Why do you not buy a older model from one of the more known/popular companies instead? The you could even get something with a guarantee for a few years.
Uelandir said:
I would really recommend you to buy something with more quality so you get something that actually lasts a while. I tried some of those cheap tables and they were pure trash. Could not even keep a simple webpage up and running.
Why do you not buy a older model from one of the more known/popular companies instead? The you could even get something with a guarantee for a few years.
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I know some people are using cheap tablets with success so I thought I might give it a try.
But as I've asked above, I could of course also get a used one from ebay, just a bit unsure what exactly to look for.
Just out of curisoity, what kind of home automation solution do you have? Does it have a dedicated app or a pure webbpage the device should display? Would be interesting to get something like that for myself
Uelandir said:
Just out of curisoity, what kind of home automation solution do you have? Does it have a dedicated app or a pure webbpage the device should display? Would be interesting to get something like that for myself
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Since I don't have a KNX bus installation in my house (and don't really need it) I started with http://fhem.de/fhem.html as a server. You can buy dongles for various frequencies so I bought one for Homematic devices and another one for my Somfy blinds.
I made a custom frontend in meteor js and can right now control my thermostates, blinds, cameras and a bit of light. When using FHEM you need a bit of programming, same for openhab which is another popular server supporting different protocols.
There are other, ready-made frontends (more expensive) like Gira, Fibaro or Homee.
I like the idea that you can basically use a raspberry pi running a server, and then just get different modules/usb sticks/dongles for the frequencies of different home automation systems (as there are a lot).
chbla said:
Since I don't have a KNX bus installation in my house (and don't really need it) I started with http://fhem.de/fhem.html as a server. You can buy dongles for various frequencies so I bought one for Homematic devices and another one for my Somfy blinds.
I made a custom frontend in meteor js and can right now control my thermostates, blinds, cameras and a bit of light. When using FHEM you need a bit of programming, same for openhab which is another popular server supporting different protocols.
There are other, ready-made frontends (more expensive) like Gira, Fibaro or Homee.
I like the idea that you can basically use a raspberry pi running a server, and then just get different modules/usb sticks/dongles for the frequencies of different home automation systems (as there are a lot).
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Interesting! I am looking into something like that myself so always great to get some more ideas on how it can be done.
No problem
So back to topic.. I'm unsure what to look for, I could get a used Galaxy Tab 2 for around 70-90 EUR, or for example a used http://www.efox-shop.com/nextway-q1...-zoll-ips-1280-800-android-41-3gumts-g-290767 for around 90..
Did you ever decide on anything? I have this exact same question. I'm wanting to buy like a cheap $50 tablet and then add qi charging to it. I use AutHomationHD with my Vera Lite system. The plan is to add the Qi charging to the tablet and then embed large magnets inside the tablet so it will stick to the wall but be removable so I can move it between different rooms.
not yet
I didn't find anything yet.. had some other projects as well..
If you find anything, please let me know
Try a pendo pad you could pick a 10" one for about $130 mine lasted a year, otherwise I would stay away from cheap China tablets as they are crap, and they won't last
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