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is this device worth <200$? opinions on your device please, and also thoughts on before/after android porting!
i have the option of getting a 16 or a 32 for <200$ and am wondering if this is a piece of junk or worth getting.
or if i should just get something like a kindle fire.
uses: entertainment, ereading, videos, games, actually wtf do people use touchpads for????
ICS source is out so HE** the F*** YES it's worth it!
it was worth it b4, now I'm going to be busy.
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I use my touchpad for everything I need to do. The webos side has good apps for work and the cm7 side gives me netflix, games, video, photos, skype, ect... the TP is a very usefull tablet. If you get one for 200 and find you don't like it, PM me and we might be able to work something out, especially if you get the 32GB unit.
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I just put CM7 Alpha 2.1 on it this weekend and it is amazing how well an Alpha is running on this thing. If you can get a 32 gig for less than $200 you aren't that far off from the fire sale price.
I have a Nook Color with CM7 as well. I think both size devices have their merits so it depends what you want to use them for.
seems like everyone loves it with the new ports!
can someone comment on how the TP improved from the original OS to the android?
more interested in the before/after thing. im figuring that if you do not mod it at all, it is truly a POS.
I actually like WebOS.
I'm in WebOS most of the time.
that might change once ICS comes over.
webOS, you will use most of the time because it's nice to be in and it's the most useful. You can get to where you need to be quick. Skype call? No problem. Email? Coming right up. And while I'm reading a Wikipedia page and Facebooking at the same time, I can buy a scooter from Amazon. Not to mention reading a magazine and downloading podcasts and listening to music. I can do every single one of those things, all at one time.
That's the point of getting a tablet, right?
That's just it. webOS puts you at the center of all the action. It's a tablet in the way it's supposed to be.
That's something no other tablet can do. Anywhere. It's unmatched. And on top of allllll that, you still have the latest version of Android. Useless?! It's the furthest thing from.
oh didnt know you can have BOTH android and webOS. weird.
why do people have gripes about webOS then?
i already have a samsung galaxy phone, so i dont want the same thing but bigger (unless i can read better on it)
Exactly.
In order to be a good operating system, everything has to come together. You cannot miss one thing. WebOS has an app store, but you won't see many big name companies (the ones that matter) developing apps for it.
The problem with A & I tabletwise is that it doesn't work that different from your phone.
Which means the productivity, is not there.
I'm in Android watching a YouTube video, but as soon as I open another webpage, the video stops.
I'm in iOS and I get an email, or I want to look up how to beat this level of Angry Birds, if I enter the Internet, bye-bye Angry Birds, I have to start all over.
Those are big problems. WebOS saved us from that.
While you can do more in webOS, the ironic thing is, there's less apps, so you can't use that fantastic multitasking on everything you would like to.
So webOS used to be on thin ice, but better apps are coming in.
Still, this is a big problem for any tablet maker. We need a system where you can just push apps to make them compatible with any tablet device, or we are going to be stuck with iOS and Android as the only operating systems there are.
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seems like everyone loves it with the new ports!
can someone comment on how the TP improved from the original OS to the android?
more interested in the before/after thing. im figuring that if you do not mod it at all, it is truly a POS.
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If you don't mod the TouchPad, it's not truly a POS. with the original firmware, yes, it's the most laggy experience ever. But ever since the latest official firmware update, it becomes infinitely more usable.
If you apply the relevant preware patches and overclock on top of that, it becomes pretty darn snappy.
So WebOS is definitely still alive and kicking.
The latest CM Alpha is indeed impressive. But I still have trouble using it as my daily OS primarily due to the faster battery drain. But I'm sure that's just a temporary issue.
At the firesale price of $99 for a 16GB, it's a steal. I would say that it would even be worth it at $200.
But keep in mind that you're within range of getting one of these:
Kindle Fire is $199
Nook Tablet is $249
Personally, I want another one. Currently using my TP as my main computing device. Have CM installed, and barely using it, honestly.
Sent from my very "non-stock" TP.
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Personally, I want another one. Currently using my TP as my main computing device. Have CM installed, and barely using it, honestly.
Sent from my very "non-stock" TP.
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Same here, been my main computer for a week or two now. Except i exclusively use CM and haven't touched webos in a long time.
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Woth it? Well, if there will be a stable ICS port, and you understand what is a tablet and how you could use it, it's worth it, i guess. Personally, after i bought it i understood that there are quite few tasks that i could use a tablet for, so this thing just lies on my table, collecting dust.
Anyway, if you are going to buy TP NOW, better look in the Nook Tablet direction: for $250 you will have more compact tablet with better CPU/GPU and microsd slot.
I'm sitting at my laptop, but I'm using my TouchPad anyway because it's so fun to use.
I have to agree with Unrealwolf. If you have a purpose for a tablet, it is a good one for the price. It would be nice to have the SD Cord slot but the only reason I filled up my 16GB is because I put on 2GB of music and 20 full length MP4 movies.
At home I seldom use my laptop because I do all my email, social networking, and web browsing (ie. shopping, research, and forum updates) on a tablet (I have both a TP and a Nook Color). Very much worth it to me.
doh the deal got away
should i continue hunting or go for a fire/nook? not sure how well they compare but prices are close
Not too sure yet about the new nook tablet but the fire is getting some less than stellar reviews today. Seems to be a bit laggy. After using my touchpad for a while, I have a hard time going back to my nook color 7 inch screen. I am actually starting to develop apps in enyo for the touchpad. I really like webos as well as cm7. For me, the touchpad gives me the besr of both worlds.
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Im getting my touchpad on wednesday. 159 euros 32gb on Cyberport. Is it still worth it or shall i wait for kindle fire?
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Ok so I recently broke my Archos 10 and I'm looking for a new tablet for school. I have the choice between an HP touchpad or a Nook Color I know development is stronger on the Nook but I like the larger screen since I'm coming from a 10 inch screen. Basically a asking in those two forums would be pointless since they own that device so Evo 3D/ other device holders which one should i get?
Please note the SCHOOL part... I'm a broke student and don't have 400-600 to drop on a new tablet
neither, Asus Transformer Prime is the best tablet.
Touchpad all the way, the asus looks dope for a few hundred more though. The nook is great, but a little small for my tastes
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It probably is but who wants to spend $800+ on a tablet lol
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It probably is but who wants to spend $800+ on a tablet lol
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The prime is actually 499 for the 32 GB version. Not too bad.
What do you need it for in school? If it's for taking notes you night really want to consider a cheap netbook.
I just got a Nook Tablet(the new one not the color), development isn't really rolling yet, we do have root and google market. But it does have a great screen and killer battery life(like 10 hours of continuous life). I've found that the 7 inch size is a lot more portable than I thought, Most cargo pants can fit my nook in there and it turns out most of my jackets have at least one pocket that can fit too. It's $250 so its pretty cheap. If your really on a budget there's the kindle fire($200) too.
I picked up a WiFi HTC flyer NIB over thanksgiving for $200 and its a great tablet. It's in the process of updating to honeycomb and it sure is pretty fast. I also own a touchpad but I use the flyer for all school notes because of seamless integration with evernote.
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What do you need it for in school? If it's for taking notes you night really want to consider a cheap netbook.
I just got a Nook Tablet(the new one not the color), development isn't really rolling yet, we do have root and google market. But it does have a great screen and killer battery life(like 10 hours of continuous life). I've found that the 7 inch size is a lot more portable than I thought, Most cargo pants can fit my nook in there and it turns out most of my jackets have at least one pocket that can fit too. It's $250 so its pretty cheap. If your really on a budget there's the kindle fire($200) too.
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This man is right. The price to performance ratio of both the nook tablet and kindle fire really can't be beat. They can pretty much do everything that the $500 tablets can with only half the price.
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Ok so I recently broke my Archos 10 and I'm looking for a new tablet for school. I have the choice between an HP touchpad or a Nook Color I know development is stronger on the Nook but I like the larger screen since I'm coming from a 10 inch screen. Basically a asking in those two forums would be pointless since they own that device so Evo 3D/ other device holders which one should i get?
Please note the SCHOOL part... I'm a broke student and don't have 400-600 to drop on a new tablet
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I will try to answer your actual question and feel that I am pretty qualified to do so as I own both of the products of which you speak. Between the two, if you want to get work done, I would go with the HP Touchpad. I am running the CM7 Alpha 3 XRONified (custom rom based off of CM7 a3) and it is pretty darn stable. I had been using google docs through webOS to take notes and such, but now that Gingerbread is pretty much stable, I am using Quickoffice Pro (thanks amazon free app of the day). I did purchase the BT keyboard when I got this so this really helps. The NC absolutely has had some amazing developer interest and I have been extremely happy with what I have been able to get out of it, but some are really beginning to move on. In fact, Dalingrin who is one of the better known NC devs is now a TP dev and has mentioned that he believes that ICS will run a lot better on TP than NC (duh!). However he said part of the reason is waning dev interest.
I guess if you want a "proof is in the pudding" statement. When I just had my NC, I carried both my 17 in laptop and my NC with me to school and the only school related thing I did with my NC was to display speaker notes when I was giving a presentation. Now I only bring my TP and BT keyboard with me. My laptop stays at home for heaving lifting (though I have a new smaller and lighter laptop) and my NC has been relegated to being an ereader.
I had more I wanted to write but lost track, but please let me know if you have any more direct questions that I can help you with.
Okay. Here is what you really want.
You want the Asus Transformer 1
The first Asus just had a Black Friday Sale for $250 and the price online has dropped.
You can easily get a used mint condition Asus Transformer 1 online for about $250. It is the best device I have ever purchased. With the keyboard dock it is amazing. You just can't beat a tablet for school that gets 16 hours of battery life.
Here is an example of a cheap one on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Eee-Pa...=US_Tablets&hash=item2c61489954#ht_500wt_1156
Check it out, I had the touchpad, it just couldn't beat the dock. The dock is stable so you don't have to balance your tablet while you type, it gives you more battery, and usb and sd card slots for transferring files.
Okay, nuff said
Censura_Umbra said:
Okay. Here is what you really want.
You want the Asus Transformer 1
The first Asus just had a Black Friday Sale for $250 and the price online has dropped.
You can easily get a used mint condition Asus Transformer 1 online for about $250. It is the best device I have ever purchased. With the keyboard dock it is amazing. You just can't beat a tablet for school that gets 16 hours of battery life.
Here is an example of a cheap one on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Eee-Pa...=US_Tablets&hash=item2c61489954#ht_500wt_1156
Check it out, I had the touchpad, it just couldn't beat the dock. The dock is stable so you don't have to balance your tablet while you type, it gives you more battery, and usb and sd card slots for transferring files.
Okay, nuff said
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This would have been my advice since I also saw the $249 black friday price. However, who knows if it will be that price again anytime soon. Plus he is looking at about $100 for a dock. So now, assuming an absolutely best case scenario, he would be spending 150 more than he was looking to spend. This is why still went with the TP.
Also, the TP doesn't have a problem balancing with the HP case (or any trifold case for that matter).
Agreed transformer 1 is the way to go and as was said you should have no prob finding one for 250 - 300.
I have an acer iconia 500 and for the price you cant beat it. Quite a bit of dev action and its a solid hc tab.
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Drewmungus said:
What do you need it for in school? If it's for taking notes you night really want to consider a cheap netbook.
I just got a Nook Tablet(the new one not the color), development isn't really rolling yet, we do have root and google market. But it does have a great screen and killer battery life(like 10 hours of continuous life). I've found that the 7 inch size is a lot more portable than I thought, Most cargo pants can fit my nook in there and it turns out most of my jackets have at least one pocket that can fit too. It's $250 so its pretty cheap. If your really on a budget there's the kindle fire($200) too.
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I do like the size but battery isn't much of a factor since I have 6 hour classes and being an EMT would make this great in terms of size and portability
Drachen808 said:
I will try to answer your actual question and feel that I am pretty qualified to do so as I own both of the products of which you speak. Between the two, if you want to get work done, I would go with the HP Touchpad. I am running the CM7 Alpha 3 XRONified (custom rom based off of CM7 a3) and it is pretty darn stable. I had been using google docs through webOS to take notes and such, but now that Gingerbread is pretty much stable, I am using Quickoffice Pro (thanks amazon free app of the day). I did purchase the BT keyboard when I got this so this really helps. The NC absolutely has had some amazing developer interest and I have been extremely happy with what I have been able to get out of it, but some are really beginning to move on. In fact, Dalingrin who is one of the better known NC devs is now a TP dev and has mentioned that he believes that ICS will run a lot better on TP than NC (duh!). However he said part of the reason is waning dev interest.
I guess if you want a "proof is in the pudding" statement. When I just had my NC, I carried both my 17 in laptop and my NC with me to school and the only school related thing I did with my NC was to display speaker notes when I was giving a presentation. Now I only bring my TP and BT keyboard with me. My laptop stays at home for heaving lifting (though I have a new smaller and lighter laptop) and my NC has been relegated to being an ereader.
I had more I wanted to write but lost track, but please let me know if you have any more direct questions that I can help you with.
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Wow! This actually made my decision easier the only thing I was unsure of was the use of Bluetooth keyboards and compatibility which would make notes and portability much easier compared to a netbook/notebook
I would go for a newer tablet like most of you are mentioning but since my biggest factor is price a $150 32GB HPTP is my best bet since its for notes and books and its not too expensive
Thanks for the input all
thatguy11285 said:
I do like the size but battery isn't much of a factor since I have 6 hour classes and being an EMT would make this great in terms of size and portability
Wow! This actually made my decision easier the only thing I was unsure of was the use of Bluetooth keyboards and compatibility which would make notes and portability much easier compared to a netbook/notebook
I would go for a newer tablet like most of you are mentioning but since my biggest factor is price a $150 32GB HPTP is my best bet since its for notes and books and its not too expensive
Thanks for the input all
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No problem. Also, the HP case is great, but you can get unofficial ones that will work for only a few bucks off of ebay. The main advantage that the HP case has is that the bezel is exposed which is important for the gestures available for WebOS. If you are just going to use it for android, though, this becomes a lot less important. I have the HP BT keyboard and it works great, but I am sure that you can use any BT keyboard. Also, if you can find a touchstone for cheap it is not necessary, but nice but you can wait on that since you are trying to save money.
I would be careful in getting your hopes up though, I don't think that you will find a HPTP for only 150 anymore. I looked at ebay and it looks like it will cost closer to $200
Ah I thought you wanted to be under 400 but yea 150 for the touchpad is tough to beat. Out of budget but just to give u something else to look at Bestbuy has the transformer on sale for 299.
www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp...p=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960
I personally have the touchpad. With the update HP pushed out a few weeks ago and some of the pre ware available, webos really isn't that bad to use and the browser is, I personally think, the beat browser out on any tablet.
Then, when I'm not in school or on weekends, I boot into android for the apps and the fun.
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i have the NC and touchpad like Drachen808
i agree with his statements, the touchpad is superior in every way and it has fantastic development behind it
I think I would go with a Flyer for $299. With the stylus you could take notes, it's a nice 7" form factor, etc. I wouldn't bother with a Fire or Nook (either) if you are planning to take notes with it.
On the flip side, the iPad 3 and more quad-core Androids will be coming out very soon, which will either provide a better option or it will drive the price of these older ones down.
Why not get a Kindle Fire?
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Like the title says, how happy are you with your Touchpad?
I'm asking because I want a tablet and had made up my mind that I was going to get the Transformer Prime. However I'm now considering getting a Touchpad refurbished from ebay tomorrow. I know the prime has a quad core processor with a better gpu but I'm wondering if the Touchpad will do what I want.
I want a tablet for Internet browsing, play some games, read (I read a lot) and also possibly use at work.
I am a concierge at a resort so if I use it at work I will need to be able to take people's info (name, number, etc) so I can call a show/resteraunt and make reservations. I would also need to be able to show pictures of seating charts to show them where they will be sitting. I need to be able to switch between their info and the pictures quickly.
Does it sound like the Touchpad will do what I want or should I hold out for the prime?
Also does a capacitive stylus work with the Touchpad to take hand written notes?
If I get the Touchpad I will most likely be putting cm7/cm9 on it.
Novarider said:
Like the title says, how happy are you with your Touchpad?
I'm asking because I want a tablet and had made up my mind that I was going to get the Transformer Prime. However I'm now considering getting a Touchpad refurbished from ebay tomorrow. I know the prime has a quad core processor with a better gpu but I'm wondering if the Touchpad will do what I want.
I want a tablet for Internet browsing, play some games, read (I read a lot) and also possibly use at work.
I am a concierge at a resort so if I use it at work I will need to be able to take people's info (name, number, etc) so I can call a show/resteraunt and make reservations. I would also need to be able to show pictures of seating charts to show them where they will be sitting. I need to be able to switch between their info and the pictures quickly.
Does it sound like the Touchpad will do what I want or should I hold out for the prime?
Also does a capacitive stylus work with the Touchpad to take hand written notes?
If I get the Touchpad I will most likely be putting cm7/cm9 on it.
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For work purposes hp and android is not a good move. It's not native and will continue to be buggy. Hate to say it because I love my tp, but when it comes to work, I would use webos or another android device. Webos may be limited to what you want to accomplish too.
Do some heavy research on android/webOS/ipad reviews. They all do great things in their own right.
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the touchpad will do everything you need it to do (I can't speak for the stylus) if you put on cm7 I suggest getting the 32gig for sure as cm7 takes up roughly 2 gigs. But with webos becoming open source the touchpad will only get better. Personally I find the touchpad relaxing. Its is isn't so overdone so everything works the way it should, switching between apps is very pleasant, there isn't much customization but sometimes that's overrated anyway. I have a phone and computer to customize, I've found that I want my tablet to just work. And the touchpad works better than the iPad I feel. Android works great on it, so you will have that choice if you want. Honestly, for the price, you can't beat it, quad core is just ridiculously unneeded for what you said you'd use your tablet for. Also, I enjoy the virtual keyboard on the touchpad.
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I don't want an ipad they are to locked down for my taste(I had an iphone) Iproducts are to overrated Imo and are more like a fad. Plus if I'm going to spend $450+ I will just get the prime.
I'm thinking about getting the Touchpad and if it won't work the way I want it to I will just give it to my wife to play with and I will get the prime.
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the touchpad will do everything you need it to do (I can't speak for the stylus) if you put on cm7 I suggest getting the 32gig for sure as cm7 takes up roughly 2 gigs. But with webos becoming open source the touchpad will only get better. Personally I find the touchpad relaxing. Its is isn't so overdone so everything works the way it should, switching between apps is very pleasant, there isn't much customization but sometimes that's overrated anyway. I have a phone and computer to customize, I've found that I want my tablet to just work. And the touchpad works better than the iPad I feel. Android works great on it, so you will have that choice if you want. Honestly, for the price, you can't beat it, quad core is just ridiculously unneeded for what you said you'd use your tablet for. Also, I enjoy the virtual keyboard on the touchpad.
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Do you use cm7 or webos on your Touchpad?
Can cm7 overclock BOTH cores to 1.7ghz like webos can?
yes, you can overclock
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I agree with many of the comments.
As you are describing your use the TouchPad should work. I have not used a stylus myself, but I am fairly certain they will work with any capacitive screen, so they should work on the TouchPad. There is a whole thread on styluses in the accessory forum.
I also felt CM7 is buggy. I prefer webOS myself. The app switching, and multi-tasking is so much more intuitive in webOS. It's logical and elegant. Gingerbread does not multi-task in a easy to use way. I have not used Honeycomb, so I cannot speak to that. I think CM9 on the TouchPad will make this device a halo device. webOS just feels like it was designed with tablets in mind, ginderbread does not.
If you buy a TouchPad for $99, and the accessory pack for $79, you will have a stand to set it on (Touchstone charger), a keyboard, and a great case. Its like having a netbook that you never have to plug in or unplug.
If you get one on Sunday and don't like it, and your wife doesn't like it (both unlikely) your worst case scenario is that you sell it, double your money (at least), and use that to buy the prime.
I think if you buy it without any pre-conceived stereotypes, you will find your self pleasantly surprised and very happy with it. You really have nothing to lose if you buy it.
I love my Touchpad although I do miss the "cards" from WebOS. I know that during the first couple of days after I switched to Android I'd hit the home button and expect my app to go into a card instead of just going back to the home screen. I also ended up heavily modifying Android when I initially installed it on the Touchpad which slowed it down to the point where when I switched back to WebOS for something the increase in responsiveness and the fluidity of the OS really made me wonder whether I should stick with WebOS for the entirity of my ownership of the Touchpad ... but then the lack of the apps really started wearing on me and went back to Android with the knowledge of making slight modifications instead of trying to make it look exactly like ICS.
I say dual boot the touchpad-
For work, it sounds like webos is enough.
For home, android is fun
You can dual boot the touchpad? Hmmmmm. Sounds like I need the 32gb version!
As far as I know, right now webOS doesn't support handwriting input. Everything else should work for you. Hit Precentral, and add a few patches or mods, and you should be set.
Also, in a few months, there should be some major changes to webOS, once the source is given a repository.
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You can dual boot the touchpad? Hmmmmm. Sounds like I need the 32gb version!
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Right now dual boot is the only way, you cannot remove webOS. The 16 is plenty, after installing both I have like 13GB left.
I have no complaints with the touchpad at all. I still find myself recommending it to people as a tablet to buy for $ value (even used or on craigs/ebay etc).
looking forward to putting the Android on it within the next week once I find some free time.
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Right now dual boot is the only way, you cannot remove webOS. The 16 is plenty, after installing both I have like 13GB left.
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You can boot into either os you want? Like its an option?
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You can boot into either os you want? Like its an option?
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Yes. There is a boot menu upon powering on and you can select which one you want to boot from. If you don't select anything in 5 seconds, it automatically boots Android (Can be changed).
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You can boot into either os you want? Like its an option?
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I changed mine to default to webOS instead on Android. I prefer webOS for most tasks, but every once in a while I will switch back. There is a reboot to webOS option in the power menu, but in my experience it just shuts it down.
I hope the ICS implementation is the same. Its nice knowing you have a backup OS, but with ICS I think I will make ICS my default.
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Yeah, you can't actually get away from webos on the touchpad, cm7 is still in alpha testing so destroying webos would be a mistake, the deva set jr up to dualboot and its actually a really simple process, I just followed a YouTube video.
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does android drop?
I had a Toshiba Folio 100 and after 1 or 2 hours of work Gingerbread used to get stuck i had to restart... same with honeycomb... but i guess that was a RAM thing...
what about touchpad? - do you need to restart it and if yes - how many times a day or on what hourly basis?
I'm looking to get my first Android tablet. I've always rooted and run custom firmware on my Android phones, so I need a "cheap" Android tablet with a healthy developer community and a lot of support.
My first thought was to go for the $250 Nook Tablet, spec for spec it's better than the Kindle Fire; but didn't an update come out for it recently that made rooting it near impossible or so highly difficult that it hasn't been done yet?
Then the $200 Kindle Fire came to mind, very popular tablet must mean a very healthy/active hacking/dev community right? But isn't it also locked down in such a way it can't be rooted or modified anymore? I need a working Android Market (Oh I'm sorry, I mean <sarcasm>Play Store</sarcasm>) and good custom ROM's including ICS.
Then I see a $189 Lenovo A1 Tablet at Best Buy with decent specs. It's running Android 2.3 which I'd normally prefer over Android 3.0/Honeycomb but now that ICS/Android 4.0 is out, I'd definately want to run that on my tablet.
So is ICS running very good/stable on any sub $300 Android tablet? I wonder when the $250 Tegra3 based tablet from Asus (or is it Acer...) comes out. Suggestions on which route to go?
You should really do some reading/research because almost all of your perceptions are way off.
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Yeah, I plan on researching it to no end. That's what I tend to do, read through the various forums, FAQ's, etc. I don't purchase blindly (even for a 'budget' tablet), but before I did I wanted to drop these questions out there to see if somebody who's a lot more familiar with these devices has an opinion or if somebody who's already done a lot of research could pipe in. I wanted to use a combo of my own research and direct recommendations/observations from people more familiar with this Android tablets than I. I'm more into the Android Phone hacking community, I've rooted many various Android models and have run a lot of custom firmwares on various models. I'm sure I'll adapt quickly enough to the tablet scene but while I'm getting my feet wet I was hoping to hear from more experienced people.
Basic research leads me to believe the Nook Tablet has superior hardware but not as active a dev community as the others. It's a shame cause the hardware is nice. The only real ICS ROM for the Nook Tablet is Alpha status with a lot of known bugs, no where near daily driver ready. But CM7 seems to be a popular ROM for this tablet and it seems to be stable enough for Daily Driver status. I'm leaning more toward the Kindle Fire as they have ICS with only 3 real main known issues (HW Acceleration, 720p Video and Bluetooth). But I'm also seeing that they have CM9 running on the HP Touchpad (which has the best HW out of all these devices) but they have several more known issues. I like that the HP Touchpad can dual boot webos and Android though, always wanted to play with WebOS and the superior HW is nice (I mean it was a $500 tablet in its hay-day). Still researching.
The main problem is. initially the nook tablet was-and still is- locked down tighter than a virgin princess with a chastity belt, thus we only had a few devs working on it as most abandoned the tablet and moved to the fire/other tablets/phones, but we had adam and indirect and a few others tinker and twist and mangle and mutilate the tablet until we are where we are.
cm9 is behind the cm7 team only because they decided to do the 3.0 kernel? vs the 2.6.7(or something like that), and the 3.0 kernal has been giving them...issues that they are resolving one by one.
the cm7 team, conversely, has had an easier time since they ported the nook color's cm7, tweaked of course, and are fixing things that are/were not working correctly.
HW accellaration/720p accell is working on cm7,
bluetooth and multitouch(more tha 2 at a time) are on the list of things to get done BUT, B&N did not include the "key" to activate the bluetooth(and fm radio) part of the chip so that is WAY down on the list of things to do.
if the nook tablet was "exactly" like the kindle fire for bootup/hackability, then it would be way ahead of the kindle fire at this time, but due to the initial problems the devs had getting root/breaking the bootchain to install alternate OS's....they are behind.
hardware wise the NT is better than the kindle fire,
personally my next tablet will -most likely- be the new asus that is coming out in a few months (tegra quad core) that is going to be 250.
glitchsys said:
Basic research leads me to believe the Nook Tablet has superior hardware but not as active a dev community as the others.
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Yes to the first part, no to the second part. You're mistaking size with activity. The Nook tablet community is one of the most active communities I've encountered among ~12 devices that I've followed. Its small and tight knit but people are working constantly. Pop into the IRC channel or read some of the threads and you'll see that.
It's a shame cause the hardware is nice. The only real ICS ROM for the Nook Tablet is Alpha status with a lot of known bugs, no where near daily driver ready.
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True. But again, dedicated developers working hard on it.
But CM7 seems to be a popular ROM for this tablet and it seems to be stable enough for Daily Driver status.
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Yep. I have a Xoom with ICS and I'm anxious for CM9, but CM7 is more than adequate for what I use the NT for.
I'm leaning more toward the Kindle Fire as they have ICS with only 3 real main known issues (HW Acceleration, 720p Video and Bluetooth).
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Meh. The fire is simply a sub par device. The lack of an sd slot is a deal breaker for me as well. The only reason it got more hype than the Nook tablet is because of the $50 cheaper price tag. If B&N had released the 8GB NT first or at the same time as the 16GB tablet, you'd hear a lot more about it.
Think about it. Most people don't know much about specs and what not. They look at the price, see that the two devices are very similar but one is $50 cheaper. B&N really dropped the ball here.
But I'm also seeing that they have CM9 running on the HP Touchpad (which has the best HW out of all these devices) but they have several more known issues. I like that the HP Touchpad can dual boot webos and Android though, always wanted to play with WebOS and the superior HW is nice (I mean it was a $500 tablet in its hay-day). Still researching.
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HP Touchpad is a great device (I snagged 5 on the firesale and resold 4, kept one for a while for tinkering then gave it to a friend), but here you're talking about completely different form factor. Its a 9.7" I think? It is however being worked on by the official CM team and those guys are extremely dedicated. And I know quite a few people that use the latest CM9 Alpha as a daily driver. And I think they got Netflix working on it (not 100% sure though, haven't checked it in a few weeks).
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the cm7 team, conversely, has had an easier time since they ported the nook color's cm7, tweaked of course, and are fixing things that are/were not working correctly.
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This was for the first Alpha release. Alpha Final is a build from scratch for the Nook tablet.
personally my next tablet will -most likely- be the new asus that is coming out in a few months (tegra quad core) that is going to be 250.
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Rumors of a nexus tablet around the same time (possibly built by Asus, for Google).
If that happens, the nexus tablet will likely be the way to go (unless it doesn't have an sd slot).
Very nice info. Thanks guys. Yeah I'm leaning toward HP Touchpad ($225) or a Kindle Fire for ($140) used. But if a good deal on a Nook Tablet comes along, at least I know I can drop CM7 on it and it'll run good; bluetooth doesn't concern me that much, but multi-touch is fairly important.
Questions go in the Q&A section. There is a sticky stating that.
Request a moderator to move it. Thanks
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Questions go in the Q&A section. There is a sticky stating that.
Request a moderator to move it. Thanks
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Yep, crap, just saw that. Apologies everyone. You don't have to move this thread, you can just delete it or close it. I' tried to find controls to allow me to close or delete this thread but can't.
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The only real ICS ROM for the Nook Tablet is Alpha status with a lot of known bugs, no where near daily driver ready.
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I've been using it since the day Alpha 0 came out, and couldn't be much happier with it. The WiFi is a little wonky if I don't turn it off before I turn the screen off, but CM7 was the same for me. The video acceleration is a little off when doing things fast, but for all the video watching and game playing I've done (and my kids have done) it has not caused any problems.
I would say the HP Touchpad is a great choice. I have two of the 16GB that I got direct from HP for $99 each them running CM7. I mostly use them as photoframes and use an HTC Evo View (32gb onboard storage) or HTC Flyer (16GB onboard storage) for daily useage. But the HP touchpad has the more development. There is a fair amount of dev for the Flyer, but not much development for the View but after installing VTLauncher and rooting and installing NoLock I am satisfied. I have also owned the Nook Color and Nook Tablet... but sold them once I tried a Flyer ($199 refurb) .... and then a View ($239 new). The NC or NT are both nice you are primarily looking for a reader with a few tablet functions. The Nook Color has more development but the Nook Tablet is noticeably faster. BTW I actually prefer Gingerbread to HoneyComb on the flyer and view. They have hw buttons for home, back, menu buttons so don't have to lose any screen when in full screen games but you lose the HW buttons in HC.
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Why don't you try an [B][I]android tablet from ESPOW[/I][/B]?
Why don't you try an android tablet from ESPOW?
Compared with others,it's low price with just $139 but has a lot of functions,such as WiFi,Supports 3D Video Decoder, enables you to play 3D games
Has three modes of operation: buttons, touch screen and Capacitive Touch Sense
Supports HDMI video
PMU Intelligent power management, 30% power save and lengthen the battery using time
Support most of audio format, multi-sound effect and cycleplay mode, enable you to enjoy listening to music
Support AVI, RM, RMVB, FLV, MP4, WMV, 3GP, MKV, etc. video format and support as high as 3840*2160P revolution playing
Built-in microphone and speaker, supports a super long recording time.
Never heard of ESPOW...
I decided on an HP Touchpad. I mean it's a $500 tablet and I was able to pickup the 32gb one for $190 shipped on EBay. I could have got a 16gb model for $170 but since it doesn't have a MicroSD card I decided more internal storage is best. I've seen CM9 running on my boss's HP Touchpad and it's quite stable, only 2 issues are Camera and Microphone but they work fine in the WebOS side.
This will hold me over until the $250 Asus with the Tegra3 comes out in a few months, or the Nexus Tablet for $150 comes out. I then may buy another tablet, if I found it useful enough, or just sell the Touchpad and pay the difference to get the upgraded Asus.
Thanks all for the advice though. I was down to the Kindle Fire or HP Touchpad and the HW is far superior in the Touchpad. The Kindle Fire though was cheaper/smaller/thinner/lighter and may have been a better option for my 2 year old who loves to play Angry Birds but the touchpad's hardware and fact that the wife would be using it a lot as well drew me to the touchpad.
I'm looking for a cheap Android Tablet and I know there are mods for both the Nook Color and Tablet, however the Tablet specifications are higher based on my searches.
My question is twofold: Is there *that* much of a performance difference between the Tablet/Color and: Which one is more customizeable (In the form of Root/Recovery/ROM development, etc.) and (ok twofold and a half!): Which would you recommend on a budget?
Thanks!
I apologize in advance if this question has been asked-I did not see it during my searches through the forums.
Performance on the 16GB Nook tablet is noticeably better than the Nook Color. I'm not sure about the 8GB, 512mb ram Nook tablet, but I'd imagine it has better performance, but a bit more limitation. With that said, development on the Nook Color far exceeds that of the Nook Tablet; its been out longer and wasn't anywhere near as heavily locked down as the Nook Tablet, which has hindered a lot of development of the Nook Tablet.
Nevertheless, despite limited developers on the Nook Tablet, the development is solid. CM7 is very stable. CM9 is also very stable, with the exception of hardware acceleration (no Netflix, not sure about HD youtube).
I'd say if you go Nook Tablet, go the full distance and get the 16GB. Or if you can wait, wait for the rumored Google Nexus Tablet that is supposed to be 7" and around $200.
it really depends on your expectations.. on a tight budget a refurb nook color for 99 is your best bet.. but i think youll have regrets so i really suggest saving up 300 get the 16gb at best buy with the geek squad warranty.
If I were to buy a tablet today..not back in nov. when I bought my NT, I would probably go with this..
http://www.frys.com/product/7019281?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
Galaxy tab 2 7" running ICS. It has everything we are trying to get, plus it already running 4.0.3. at the $249 price point with expandable memory it is a
pretty nice device. I thought it was very smooth and responsive and I wouldn't have to hack it to get what I wanted. It has been fun to learn the rooting process and messing around, but in the end I wish that I would have waited if I knew this was going to be on the market so soon. I am sure it is lacking some things, but it was hard to see just by the few minutes I messed with it. Good luck deciding. One other thing for me is that I don't use BN content so the Galaxy tab at the same price is very interesting.
I worked at B&N and I can tell you by experience I would not recommend the Nook Color to anyone, and I told this to my managers- I despised it.
When Nook Tablet came out, I changed my opinion on it.
Moral of the story is, stock wise- nook tablet performs substantially better than the Nook color.
However, I cannot tell you how CM7 works on the NC.
I had a Samsung Tab 2 7.0 and I took it back. Most everything about it was fine except this: There was no option to move apps to the sd card. I tried two transfer apps from Google Play and neither of them worked. The tablet is supposed to have 8GB of storage, but after you subtract the OS and Samsung's additions, there is only a little over 4GB left.
A comment on the internet said that this transfer problem was a "feature" of ICS. If anyone knows if this is true, or if there is a way around it, I would certainly like to know.
Cubanluke88 said:
I'd say if you go Nook Tablet, go the full distance and get the 16GB. Or if you can wait, wait for the rumored Google Nexus Tablet that is supposed to be 7" and around $200.
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...Interesting-I hadn't heard about the Google Nexus Tablet. I'm ultimately trying to find a tablet to play with that has decent performance under $200....(Ideally under $150, but that may not be realistic)....
...Maybe that'll make B & N push down the price of the Nook Tablet
Overstock. Com has the Nook Colors (refirbished) for $135, and the Tablet 16 Gb (also refurb) for $199. I'll got a refurb Tablet from them and it looks and works fine.
And yes, the Tablet 16 Gb is noticeably faster than the Color; both running CM7.
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Overstock. Com has the Nook Colors (refirbished) for $135, and the Tablet 16 Gb (also refurb) for $199. I'll got a refurb Tablet from them and it looks and works fine.
And yes, the Tablet 16 Gb is noticeably faster than the Color; both running CM7.
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Yikes... NC for $135 is absolutely not worth it.
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Yikes... NC for $135 is absolutely not worth it.
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ya, I thought I saw some NC on Ebay for less than that (Like $99, and I thought that was high, but I don't admittedly know the value in relation to this price)
Go with the NT. There's one being sent to an Elite Recognized Developer who works on the binary level as we speak, so it's only a matter of time before everything gets unlocked.