I had the Evo and the camcorder and camera quality was terrible. They advertise 8MP camera and 720P video, but if you compare the pictures and video to an Iphone4 you'll see it's no where near the quality for clarity, sound quality, low light, etc. I've been scouring the net looking for tests of the Thunderbolt camera/camcorder and cannot find anything. I suspect that it is exactly the same as the Evo's. Anyone have any details?
What makes the iPhone better isn't the camera, its the hdr effect
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What makes the iPhone better isn't the camera, its the hdr effect
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Nah, I have the iPhone4 and before the update that added HDR (which stores both versions of pictures so you can compare) it was better than my EVO, especially the video. I'm probably going to be picking up the Thunderbolt so this is a curiosity for me as well, though it's not a dealbreaker.
I have been asking myself this very question.
I'm kind of expecting the quality to be very similar, if not the same, as the Inspire 4G.
Both phones are very similar (in hardware design anyway) and are being released fairly close to one another.
I've actually seen a few videos floating around on youtube and I have to say, I'm pretty impressed with the quality of the video that the Inspire takes compared to my Dinc.
Having said that, the audio still needs some work, but I don't think that the Inspire has a noise canceling mic like the Thunderbolt has so I'm really hoping that the sound is much better on the Thunderbolt.
Only time will tell.
There have been a few posts regarding the poor quality of the Evo 3D's speaker. Many people state that the volume is just plain low, while others have been saying that their speakers sound blown at higher volume settings. I was of the latter, and asked people for their opinions on this post.
I ended up going to Best Buy and listening to their demo unit to immediately find that my speaker was defective. The demo unit was fine and comparable to the original Evo's speaker. They exchanged it for me with absolutely no hassle. The difference is night and day. My first Evo 3D could not play any notifications/ringtones beyond the halfway volume indicator without distortion. The new phone's speakers are fine - absolutely no complaints.
If you have a phone with distortion, it is not supposed to be that way. Hopefully, you'll be able to exchange it for a working unit.
BTW - I noticed that the new Evo 3D has a different screen. Both are hardware 002, but the newer screen has a more yellowish tint than the original. This is pretty much unnoticeable unless the 2 screens are compared, but (as others have reported) there are at least 2 different types of screens.
Mine sounds blown when playing YouTube videos I'll check for regular music.
Yep, sounds sooooo blown. What to do?
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Uninstalled dsp manager and sounds way better now.
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I really wanna get the amaze and really don't care for anything else recently released or pegged to be released this year. I can overlook all the other issues, since I think overall the phone is amaze-ing, but my biggest gripe is that the audio capture quality when recording video is horrendous. And they had the nerve to tout the camcorder by putting a dedicated button! It is earsplittingly sharp and distorted. Makes my ears hurt and hard to understand in general, not to mention all the stray sounds that sound like there's a lightning storm somewhere... I can't believe so many reviewers think it sounds good or tout the 44khz stereo recording. Blegh. It shares a lot of DNA with the Mytouch 4g slide and somehow inherited that phone's bad audio as well.
I'm thinking there should be a software fix, somehow, since I doubt the audio sounds like this when making a call. I don't know why there would be such a big difference in the first place. I don't think they fixed the bad audio in the mytouch 4g slide, so they are probably just gonna leave the amaze half-baked. Why does no one care about the audio quality of videos? At least the loudspeaker is decent I hear, with some wild polar opposite mixed reactions though...
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I really wanna get the amaze and really don't care for anything else recently released or pegged to be released this year. I can overlook all the other issues, since I think overall the phone is amaze-ing, but my biggest gripe is that the audio capture quality when recording video is horrendous. And they had the nerve to tout the camcorder by putting a dedicated button! It is earsplittingly sharp and distorted. Makes my ears hurt and hard to understand in general, not to mention all the stray sounds that sound like there's a lightning storm somewhere... I can't believe so many reviewers think it sounds good or tout the 44khz stereo recording. Blegh. It shares a lot of DNA with the Mytouch 4g slide and somehow inherited that phone's bad audio as well.
I'm thinking there should be a software fix, somehow, since I doubt the audio sounds like this when making a call. I don't know why there would be such a big difference in the first place. I don't think they fixed the bad audio in the mytouch 4g slide, so they are probably just gonna leave the amaze half-baked. Why does no one care about the audio quality of videos? At least the loudspeaker is decent I hear, with some wild polar opposite mixed reactions though...
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yeah i feel the same way. if audio is fixable, i will get this phone. if not, then camcorder is a useless feature.
Is a hardware issue with most htc phones. My G2 and mytouch 4g were the same way. The quality is not as terrible as people say, its just not on par with the quality of the rest of the phone making it an easy issue to point out. No phone is perfect. Sadly, they all have their down sides. Overall The phone is top notch!
Proud HTC Amaze owner
Darn its a hardware issue? Saying no phone is perfect really doesn't excuse the bad audio issue. It kind of breaks the camcorder for me. The bad audio isn't just hearsay, its half a dozen or more youtube videos with that really bad audio, and then all the other videos showing HTC's legacy of bad audio, like from the MyTouch 4g Slide. And the Amaze is damn sexy too. They seem to be the only Android manufacturer making those curvy nice unibody metal phones. Kind of disappointed with the Galaxy Nexus. lol. I'm jumping for the Atrix 2, cuz Motorola has gone up leaps and bounds on the camcorder with the Bionic and now the Atrix 2. It's also dirt cheap in comparison to the Amaze. Man decisions. But the Amaze feels so sexy...
there might be a software fix (like voodoo sound?) Once we start getting into the phone more...possibly a Mic filter?
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I haven't really heard of one for HTC phones, or really a fix the bad audio recording on any phone ever. I don't really follow this stuff though so I could be completely wrong. The best I've seen is higher bitrate/sampling hacks, but it really doesn't fix a bad mic. I'm guessing it was engineered deliberately that way or left that way because they couldn't find a solution or were lazy and thought no one would care. I think its impossible to not hear the flagrant sound problems unless their sound engineers were turning Beethoven.
I've noticed the Amaze sound problems on all youtube amaze videos which are in stereo. the audio for GS2 videos is all mono, but much better quality.
Test mono audio with video...? what is result. Is it same problem?
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I've noticed the Amaze sound problems on all youtube amaze videos which are in stereo. the audio for GS2 videos is all mono, but much better quality.
Test mono audio with video...? what is result. Is it same problem?
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hi, what is the difference between mono and stereo?
There is a thread for amaze recording for both mono and stereo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1302710.
Stereo would be MUCH better, giving spacial dimension, and with headphones the youtube amaze stereo audio is nice but terrible quality. Noise and no low end. SG2 has good sound fidelity but is only mono, single source but fidelity is more important than stereo.
I did notice the SG2 XDA has 32 bit CD quality sound but don't know if it's stereo.
the first try to do an audio fix would be use an equalizer. Load a video (with audio) into a processing program on a PC or Mac and see if the sound quality is fixable. If someone has an in with HTC they should get a response about this from the engineers.
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I know cyanogenmod has the graphic audio equalizer so yeah, thinking about it WE NEED AN APP! Take the damn stereo channels in the AMAZING videos, apply equalization according to the user's gui settings, and save the video!
this will definitely fix the stinkin amaze audio problems and preserve this precious stereo (with no external mic) and fix-a-de-problem. But maybe an external stereo mic is the way to go.....
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I don't think an equalizer is gonna fix this problem. I've also heard the mono recording from the amaze. It isn't that much better than the stereo. I'm not too concerned whether it is mono or stereo. You are using a phone to record, both mics being only a few cm away from each other and usually not even placed in a proper left/right configuration. The other mic should just focus on noise cancellation. The other problem is the Amaze is $550 even on ebay...
Maybe someone would plug a stereo (condenser probably) microphone in and see if it records well good fidelity with stereo.
Since SGS2 has a top and bottom mic and I think is mono, I wonder if they use them for decent low end. (as well as noise cancellation if that's necessary)
One problem with the Amaze is no low frequencies.
The other problem is clipping noise which cannot be corrected except by recording level adjustment.
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The stereo on the Amaze recordings is really great. (put on some headphones and compare). my opinion is it's really a good thing.
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Maybe someone would plug a stereo (condenser probably) microphone in and see if it records well good fidelity with stereo.
Since SGS2 has a top and bottom mic and I think is mono, I wonder if they use them for decent low end. (as well as noise cancellation if that's necessary)
One problem with the Amaze is no low frequencies.
The other problem is clipping noise which cannot be corrected except by recording level adjustment.
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The stereo on the Amaze recordings is really great. (put on some headphones and compare). my opinion is it's really a good thing.
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to be clear, you like it and everyone else hates it?
thanx
To be clear: I like the stereo! that is very different than the fidelity. (frequency response)
The fidelity is the frequency response and the clipping problems. They are very bad but they might just be the microphones not the audio circuits, and the circuits might be connected to a stereo microphone input on the input jack so that stereo would be preserved, and it'd have decent sound. (by plugging in a stereo mic)
Is that clear?
Thanks!
The SGS2 has great fidelity but it is mono. At least from the phone's microphones which I assume are not stereo but are noise cancelling or maybe fix the frequency response. (Maybe the SGS2 has a stereo mic input I don't know that either!!)
P.S. We need hardware threads on xda-developers or maybe there is a hardware dedicated web site for cell phones (needed)
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but didn't want to start a new one.
I believe the problem is Sense 3.0 related and the gain HTC applied to the mics. I've come from a Sensation - and we had the exact same clipping problem on the phone with stereo recording and mono sounded a little better, but not much. When the Sense 3.5 leak came out, end of September for the Sensation the clipping problem went away in stereo recording. I went to a Sense 3.5 Rom for that reason alone because stereo recording sounded terrific. Once you bump up the media_profiles.xml to accept a higher bitrate it was a terrific stereo camcorder. No clipping at all.
I just got the Amaze and have given the Sensation to my wife with a Sense 3.5 Rom.
I love everything so far about the Amaze, the stereo clipping is the only issue I'd like to see fixed, at least for me.
BTW - I've listened to some YouTube vids of the Rezound camcorder and they sound fine in stereo. And the Rezound is Sense 3.5.
I've looked around for an adjustment in the smalis of the htccamera.apk but can't find anything that relates to the mic gain.
Anyone have any idea where the fix would be for this?
IDK if this will help but their is two thing that I did that seemed to help.
1) Make sure your finger isn't over the mic, it happens more than you think.
2)Use and External Mic, i have a pair of beats headphones that seem to have better audio than the mic it self.
In reality their isn't really an easy fix like flashing something. Its a hardware thing overall of the phone. Hope this helps this is all I could think of that might help.
If you look at 720p samples on Youtube, you can tell a few things. First, there is a big discrepancy between the sound in many cases. It goes from hollow and robotic/scratchy to acceptable. I'm chalking this up to the scratchy being stereo and the acceptable being mono. I think I can live with that. It's the first HTC phone I've seen that has actually reached an acceptable level for audio recording. The video, however, is kind of driving me nuts. Unlike in the Sensation/Inspire/Amaze/Thunderbolt/prev gen. which was a bit choppy but frames were detailed albeit very oversharpened with gaudy colors, the Titan seems to buck the usual HTC trend and go with super smooth and blurry, with a sort of bouncy jelly nauseating feel. The gaudy colors seem to have toned down a bit, but are still gaudy, and they traded oversharp for blurry. I really don't know which is better, the old style video recording or the new style. I can make concessions with the video now that the audio recording is acceptable, but I really don't know how much of the jelly effect I can take. If they are using the same camera units on the Mytouch 4G Slide/Amaze with very different results, its could possibly be purely software differences in the Titan. Do you think they would possibly tweak the AT&T version once it comes stateside? Pipedreams...
It may be scratchy because you are rubbing your hand on the second Mic thats at the top by the headphone jack.
Sound recording quality is poor.
I love messing about with sound, and wish the audio quality was better for voice recording particularly.
I just wondered if I'm alone in this, but I have always found that my Galaxy S2 was never exactly amazing quality when recording audio, for example using one of the many dictaphone programs I have tried. I don't think there is anything mechanically wrong, there is just always a lot of background hiss the recorded words are fairly clear. I've messed around with all settings, and it's the same with the external headset plugged in.
I use voice to text software often, and I don't get as good and accuracy as I did with my old HTC wildfire phone.
With the wildfire, there was a tiny bit of interference noise recording on the handset, but it was virtually crystal clear with a headset plugged in.
Just wondered if anything can be done about this.
Also the hands-free calling is virtually unusable on my S2, people say I sound like I'm in a fish tank.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a microphone, using the phone in the normal way people can hear me fine, and like a thorough get fairly good recording.
I have to say is pretty much the one thing that bugs me about the S2, I wonder if it is a Samsung thing
Because I have their 5 inch media player and that give similarly poor audio results when recording. Though not quite as bad as my S2.
Your thoughts will be much appreciated