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So HTC's two new 2.1 phones were rooted by Paul O'Brian, hours after he had his hands on them.
http://twitteling.com/2010/04/htc-desire-and-htc-legend-has-succeeded-in-the-root/
Apparently it was 'easy'. He is without internet and on vacation for two weeks, so no more details.
For Legend/Desire users it does not mean much yet, due to file systems being locked. However if this could be used on our 2.1 ROMs, we would be wide open.
Did we miss something simple? If you have time, and willingness please join me in looking for something simple, that could of been overlooked by both HTC and ourselves. This has been on my mind for days.
Several Desire owners have informed me that oem unlock is disabled just like our phones, so the n1 method is not what he used. I image the desire/legend kernel is somewhat close to our's. Like our's, no kernel source is available.
Any Shots are welcome.
Is there a way of contacting this Paul guy?
korben dallas said:
Is there a way of contacting this Paul guy?
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jcase said:
He is without internet and on vacation for two weeks, so no more details.
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sure korben if you happen to have his phone number.....
korben dallas said:
Is there a way of contacting this Paul guy?
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Not until the 20th, and even if I did have a way I wouldn't bug him on his vacation.
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Not until the 20th, and even if I did have a way I wouldn't bug him on his vacation.
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No kidding! Can't a guy get a vacation these days without people getting up his ass asking for help?
I dont want to get flamed just asking wasn't this orginally posted on April Fools Day is it possiblly a fake. I'm no expert and devs could probably look at the picture and tell?
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I dont want to get flamed just asking wasn't this orginally posted on April Fools Day is it possiblly a fake. I'm no expert and devs could probably look at the picture and tell?
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It was posted on April 1st, its not a joke.
Long time Lurker, first time poster.
I know that the roms from HTC are signed and it would be almost imposable to hack the key used to sign the roms. However have the developers looked at it from the other direction? Do we know how the Eris stores the certificate that is used to check the signed Roms? Dose the Eris use a keystore for this and is that store shared with the web browser? Would it be possible to Inject or replace the Cert in order to sign our own roms? I'm guessing not but you never know.
I'm not a dev so its ok to flame me if this is way off base or been covered before.
Also thank to all the Dev's for all of your hard work.
Derek
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well this is atleast something positive. Lets hope this guy is our savior...
I hope he's having a wonderful vacation , the dev team deserves it
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@jcase: I'm thinking he just used a pre-compiled root (asroot/m7 etc), which would be the easiest possible way to do it. We have tried pretty much all known kernel sploits a hundred different ways and the Eris kernel still stands untouched. However, if these newer phones are vulnerable to the same exploits (need official word on this from Paul), then perhaps they're not patched on Eris, but are just incompatible / working not as intended.
Bounty?
Is the bounty still alive/in effect?
Chances are he doesn't own an Eris. Then again, he might not need to...
If so, well, I'd be willing to contribute to getting one into his hands.
The second build of the leak is acting up for me. I was pretty happy with the first one actually. This is what being impatient does
It'll be awesome to see how this was done as the security on the devices seems similar to ours from the limited amount I can see...
I didn't realize he still was on vacation, I assumed he waited to report his findings until he got home.
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@jcase: I'm thinking he just used a pre-compiled root (asroot/m7 etc), which would be the easiest possible way to do it. We have tried pretty much all known kernel sploits a hundred different ways and the Eris kernel still stands untouched. However, if these newer phones are vulnerable to the same exploits (need official word on this from Paul), then perhaps they're not patched on Eris, but are just incompatible / working not as intended.
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He "found" it before ever seeing one of the phones, just a leaked rom. I think its a permissions issue that we may have overlooked in 2.1.
thawkth, about 5 minutes after he releases details, I will know if it applies to us.
I don't think anyone gives a damn about the bounty, if someone does contact caboose and pay him his dues (if he wants them), he got us the root.
I know that jcase isn't really haggin with us any more so hopefully someone will be following up with this, it sounds promising. I am keeping an eye on the OP over at modaco but I am not sure that I have the knowledge base to replicate Pual's work if he shares his exploit. Thanks
I too am hoping this guy can help us.. he is our last hope imo.... short of htc leaking something again.
Well there won't be any news today as we may have thought. Paul seems to stuck on his vacation for a few extra days thanks to the volcano.
http://twitter.com/paulobrien
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Well there won't be any news today as we may have thought. Paul seems to stuck on his vacation for a few extra days thanks to the volcano.
http://twitter.com/paulobrien
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lol.. little does he know the storm of users that are anxiously awaiting his return...
I'm wondering what is the manufacturers' goal of the devices being locked. No ability to change their **** software? Possible claims from unresponsible users?
I don't understand this world...
HTC Sense is piece of crap (changed it to n1 launcher, but it still occupies my phone's storage space),
HTC apps are piece of crap (calendar sucks, majority of widgets suck)... wish i was able to uninstall them..
Please give us root!
Some would say - buy n1 instead... but hey, I like the look of desire and it's optical trackball... if it has to be present anyway...
Looks like HTC finally posted Kernel Source!!!
http://developer.htc.com/
About time
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u921333 said:
Looks like HTC finally posted Kernel Source!!!
http://developer.htc.com/
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Time to cook!
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Wow great timing with the huge release of possibly s-off tonight! How fast do yall think toastcfh can cook something awesome?
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today is gonna be a good day by the looks of it!!!! I cant even imagine the battery life and the smoothness we are gonna see when our great devs tear into this thing!!!
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today is gonna be a good day by the looks of it!!!! I cant even imagine the battery life and the smoothness we are gonna see when our great devs tear into this thing!!!
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What I do not understand is why HTC's dev's cannot do what our Dev's can do with their own devices.
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What I do not understand is why HTC's dev's cannot do what our Dev's can do with their own devices.
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Who says they can't? They have a lot more to lose if a patch breaks phones than some dev on XDA.
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Who says they can't? They have a lot more to lose if a patch breaks phones than some dev on XDA.
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I agree with you they are the ones who build the **** our guys edit and hack. If they make it I'm 100% sure the things our guys are doing is nothing new to them.
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Who says they can't? They have a lot more to lose if a patch breaks phones than some dev on XDA.
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I was reffering to the ways XDA dev's can optimize these devices to run better all around and make it graphically more pleasing. Not talking about unlocking.
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I was reffering to the ways XDA dev's can optimize these devices to run better all around and make it graphically more pleasing. Not talking about unlocking.
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HTC devs can do the same thing.
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HTC devs can do the same thing.
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LOL thats debatable 30 fps on original evo was IMPOSSIBLE!
Now I agree they are chained to what they are allowed to do since they work for a large corporation but dont sell our devs short my guess alot would be Hired on at HTC in a heartbeat
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LOL thats debatable 30 fps on original evo was IMPOSSIBLE!
Now I agree they are chained to what they are allowed to do since they work for a large corporation but dont sell our devs short my guess alot would be Hired on at HTC in a heartbeat
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I'm not selling our devs short. It is only ignorant to say that HTC'S devs cant do the same thing. HTC'S devs are restricted to making the device functional for everyone.
30 fps, blame PR from HTC.
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I was reffering to the ways XDA dev's can optimize these devices to run better all around and make it graphically more pleasing. Not talking about unlocking.
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same way with a car. manufacturers just release the car for general public for the most part. then the tuners go to town for the hp and speed freaks like us!
there are speed freaks in tech and in cars i happen to fall into both categories, haha
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same way with a car. manufacturers just release the car for general public for the most part. then the tuners go to town for the hp and speed freaks like us!
there are speed freaks in tech and in cars i happen to fall into both categories, haha
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^This
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I'm not selling our devs short. It is only ignorant to say that HTC'S devs cant do the same thing. HTC'S devs are restricted to making the device functional for everyone.
30 fps, blame PR from HTC.
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I agree, HTC makes their devices lag for everyone and XDA Dev's make our devices smooth as butter. Now why would HTC want to do that?
HTC gives us all crappy battery life, HTC Dev's tweak to give us better battery. Why would HTC want to do that?
I guess only us geeks really care if a device runs as smooth as it is capable of and also offers good battery life. Does the regular everday user doesn't care about things like this?
And let's not get into the ridiculous skins that HTC has in it's hub. I guess most people want terrible skins that all look the same but in a different color.
All I have to say is thank you to our Dev's here who truly bring these devices to the next level which for whatever reason the manufacture's cannot.
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I agree, HTC makes their devices lag for everyone and XDA Dev's make our devices smooth as butter. Now why would HTC want to do that?
HTC gives us all crappy battery life, HTC Dev's tweak to give us better battery. Why would HTC want to do that?
I guess only us geeks really care if a device runs as smooth as it is capable of and also offers good battery life. Does the regular everday user doesn't care about things like this?
And let's not get into the ridiculous skins that HTC has in it's hub. I guess most people want terrible skins that all look the same but in a different color.
All I have to say is thank you to our Dev's here who truly bring these devices to the next level which for whatever reason the manufacture's cannot.
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You hit it right on the head! Most people don't care about 30 fps or a colorful skins. Most people just care that they can make calls, read email, check FB, Twitter, go online when needed. The skins and other stuff are just icing on the cake. Look at how bland IOS is but people still flock to it because whether it is pretty or not, it does what is is supposed to do. Now for our crowd that isn't enough. We want it push our phones to limit of it's capabilities. To squeeze every drop out of it. We want it to be as customizable as possible. But alas, we are the small minority, so HTC builds for the masses, who make up the biggest portion of their bottom line. To continue the car analogy, look at HTC like Mercedes or BMW. They produce a real nice car for the general public but for those who want something extra they go grab a AMG or M model which is like a phone after the devs here finish with it.
ok, since we bombarded them over the source releases, I think in all decentcy we should return to say thanks. It's easy to picket and raise hell, so we should at least go clap our hands, they could of easily given us the big finger.
What is it i'm thanking them for again?
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ok, since we bombarded them over the source releases, I think in all decentcy we should return to say thanks. It's easy to picket and raise hell, so we should at least go clap our hands, they could of easily given us the big finger.
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At first I read this and agreed 100%. Then as I gave it more thought I realized that would be like a teacher thanking their student for doing their homework or you thanking your mechanic for fixing your car...that's what they are supposed to do...legally required to do (lets not start that whole 'GPL wiggle room' meme again)...and they did it late.
I'm glad they did, I'm not sure if the facebook assault had anything to do with it, but I'm not sure they deserve a thank you for doing what they are required to do.
Just checked and my phone still says no updates available.
Done!
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Just checked and my phone still says no updates available.
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Apparently you don't know what 'Source' is...
This doesn't mean they have an update for you to download, it means that they released a copy of their kernel.
They only release the source because they are required too not because we asked them. If that was the case well you know the story.
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Apparently you don't know what 'Source' is...
This doesn't mean they have an update for you to download, it means that they released a copy of their kernel.
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Apparently not, na just didn't read all the words.. still
Not only that, they released the wrong kernel source. They f'ed up
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Lol! I totally thank my mechanic when he fixes my car. You thank people when they do things that you appreciate regardless of whether or not its something you're paying them to do. Its Just plain good taste. But yeah, I agree with the OP. Whenever anyone opens their source its a good tying. It allows endeavors like the XDA community to keep on deving.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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Lol! I totally thank my mechanic when he fixes my car. You thank people when they do things that you appreciate regardless of whether or not its something you're paying them to do. Its Just plain good taste. But yeah, I agree with the OP. Whenever anyone opens their source its a good tying. It allows endeavors like the XDA community to keep on deving.
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Agreed!
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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I build ROMs and Skins and can't even get people to hit a simple "Thanks" button so you don't have to preach to me about it. Not that you are your just making a statement. I have no problem giving thanks, but I never *****ed about the source in the first place. I only *****ed about the other thing.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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Back down there sparky...I believe I phrased my reply to indicate that I was indeed on the fence with the idea. I'm not laboring over my decision but I want to give it thought. The kernel source is subject to the rules of the GPL. They paid nothing for it and only have to abide by the rules of the license. One of those rules is that the source code must be made available (within a certain amount of time? I keep hearing 30 days but I'm not so sure).
I guess I just used poor analogies. You don't thank someone for not robbing your house...do you?
That said, in the name of fairness (and human decency...towards a corporation that has already demonstrated a desire to screw us as much as we will allow?) I'm still considering my stance.
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The simple fact is, they didn't have to do anything. Do you honestly believe we have rights as consumers? I mean really? Do I feel I owed them a thank you?, no. Is it a decent thing to do after the fact?,yes. They gave it to us sooner rather then later, or even at all for that matter. Human decentcy is a funny thing lately in this country, but whatever.
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Lol! I totally thank my mechanic when he fixes my car. You thank people when they do things that you appreciate regardless of whether or not its something you're paying them to do. Its Just plain good taste. But yeah, I agree with the OP. Whenever anyone opens their source its a good tying. It allows endeavors like the XDA community to keep on deving.
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I build ROMs and Skins and can't even get people to hit a simple "Thanks" button so you don't have to preach to me about it. Not that you are your just making a statement. I have no problem giving thanks, but I never *****ed about the source in the first place. I only *****ed about the other thing.
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I appreciate all the work that is done here, and I'm sorry that I cant contribute to that work. I wasn't calling out everybody here, most people didnt hit their page, but those of us that did, I felt a simple thanks would be good in the long term future. You know, maybe the evo3, instead of them being like **** those guys that spammed us last year and never came back, they may be like, hey lets get them the goods again, all the thanks looked good on our fb page. Social networking has given us power, much more than the old 800 number, simply because all complaints and gratitudes are in the public view of the world. Plus as a species thats struggling, again, simple decentcy is refreshing, and whats wrong with that?
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Back down there sparky...I believe I phrased my reply to indicate that I was indeed on the fence with the idea. I'm not laboring over my decision but I want to give it thought. The kernel source is subject to the rules of the GPL. They paid nothing for it and only have to abide by the rules of the license. One of those rules is that the source code must be made available (within a certain amount of time? I keep hearing 30 days but I'm not so sure).
I guess I just used poor analogies. You don't thank someone for not robbing your house...do you?
That said, in the name of fairness (and human decency...towards a corporation that has already demonstrated a desire to screw us as much as we will allow?) I'm still considering my stance.
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Read above post.
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I appreciate all the work that is done here, and I'm sorry that I cant contribute to that work. I wasn't calling out everybody here, most people didnt hit their page, but those of us that did, I felt a simple thanks would be good in the long term future. You know, maybe the evo3, instead of them being like **** those guys that spammed us last year and never came back, they may be like, hey lets get them the goods again, all the thanks looked good on our fb page. Social networking has given us power, much more than the old 800 number, simply because all complaints and gratitudes are in the public view of the world. Plus as a species thats struggling, again, simple decentcy is refreshing, and whats wrong with that?
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When I first read the post I didn't read all the words like I said. I missed the part about the source code.
People just aren't as appreciative as they used to be. Thats what I think mostly America has become. I do get enough thanks for what I do and thats why I keep doing it. I know people like it even though they don't always show it.
I actually talked to HTC this morning and the first words out of my mouth were that I love their phones and what they do.
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That's pretty compelling...in the short run. In the long run I would hope that you are proven correct and it's certainly worth a shot. If they don't learn from this, well, we can always attack them again.
I think I just might give them a thanks. All of that positive PR would surely help convince them to do the same in the future.
Well I stopped by their Facebook to say thanks as soon as they posted it. I hit them up in a polite way every day asking for it, so I felt that I wanted to thank them for doing it in a timely matter. Other companies and phones take much longer. Now, if I still had my OG EVO, I would not have thanked them for releasing today. I mean when did the GB update for the OG EVO come out? And they are just releasing it today? This is my opinion, not that anyone asked for it.
what is this? the evo has been out for weeks and no kernel source but the sgs3 that came out today (i think?) already has the source released. my question is, why does htc like to take their sweet a$$ time releasing this kind of stuff to us?
source for sgs3 news: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/galaxy-s-iii-sgh-i747-and-sgh-t999-source-code-released/
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what is this? the evo has been out for weeks and no kernel source but the sgs3 that came out today (i think?) already has the source released. my question is, why does htc like to take their sweet a$$ time releasing this kind of stuff to us?
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Duh haha they always wait till day 89 to release it
thats htc's m o..
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Duh haha they always wait till day 89 to release it
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Haha probably
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I think it's because Steve works for Samsung now. I might be wrong when I say this next line. The international quad-core SGS3 has source available, not the US bound SGS3. Also, "forever"? Dude, our phone is technically 18 days old. Chill or GTFO or get an iPhone.
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I think it's because Steve works for Samsung now. I might be wrong when I say this next line. The international quad-core SGS3 has source available, not the US bound SGS3. Also, "forever"? Dude, our phone is technically 18 days old. Chill or GTFO or get an iPhone.
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The source has been released for two of the carrier branded s3s b4 release
Btw when we do get kernel source this phone is gonna be sick.. Ocd to 2 wow
You are familiar with HTC's business practices, right?
HTC does this all the time. We are lucky the gpl forces you to release it or we'd never see it.
Well take it to them via twitter, FB, forums, blogs and whatever other means you have. If enough people make a sound, then they will listen.
So, things like multitasking, is that in the kernel or is that some NON GPL source thing that they threw in there.. some closed source module?
And I'm guessing things like the Camera drivers are not in source either? I guess I really don't know what source is needed to fix. I don't care about overclocking because I find it silly in a device like this.
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So, things like multitasking, is that in the kernel or is that some NON GPL source thing that they threw in there.. some closed source module?
And I'm guessing things like the Camera drivers are not in source either? I guess I really don't know what source is needed to fix. I don't care about overclocking because I find it silly in a device like this.
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I think that if there is any chance to fix the multi tasking issues that it will be in the source
I sent a tweet to HTC and this is their response.
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Agreed: "Forever" is a bit hyperbolic. 18 days is reasonable. I'm even ok with them waiting a month or two to release source.
I do think it's awesome how proactive Samsung is in this regard and IMHO believe they deserve massive respect! While HTC is moving away from dev support - inducing friction and delay in all respects... Samsung IMHO seems to be embracing devs and tinkerers like a fat girl does candy
Loving Samsung right about now; Note 2 will definitely be my next (unless LG steps up their game - I really want a big glasses-free 3d display preferably with good stylus handwriting support).
1) Samsung is also a member of The Linux Foundation, they are a little more pro GPL than HTC.
B) Overclocking this device not as interesting as Under Volting.
Htc is def not earning any points with their m10, r.9png and slow source release
I love my shiny 4g iPhone!
Hope they come with the source pretty soon so we can add in usb otg. I got new adapter ready to use.
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Seems so odd of HTC to wait until the last minute with source code. Not that this is new behavior from them, but they somehow have always had a dev-friendly reputation (unlockable bootloaders, HTCdev.com, etc).
They were the first to champion Android, but of course, they have also been the most vocal about branding their phones with Sense (others do it, and do it worse, but no one really talks about it as much as HTC does).
I'm happy to wait a while longer, and I think that, on balance, HTC is good for devs and tinkerers. I also don't think it's contradictory to so heavily skin Android but also encourage developers to futz with their devices, but am I the only one who thinks that some of their actual policy is a bit schizophrenic?
I understand that stance but why should they care..we already purchased the device..and although I'm.not a huge fan of Sammy I do commend them on their dev support..they have stepped it up in this regard and almost encourage it..if HTC doesnt hurry up the dev on the LTE will stall (there's only so much they can do)and the gs3 s gonna blow up..in this case I'm rather impatient bc I really hate the mem management on this phone and a gb of RAM should be plenty to keep a tab or app running for more than 10 seconds..do love the phone tho..just needs some dev love
In the past, HTC has been the better of the two with releasing kernel source and also updating their devices.
Just thought I'd put that out there.
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http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/htc-dx_s-off/
hey just seen this other petition for the one x and thought why cant we have one for the DX so there its done add your signatures and lets show HTC how much we want it, you never know until you ask and if they see enough asking then perhaps we shall see a better way to get S-OFF for our phones
There vere several initiatives like this to htc (not bound to any particular phone, but general, also google, you cant think youre first genius to have this idea), much stronger than what this could be if all people from DX part of XDA participated, still, few hundred people doesnt have voice strong enough to force htc to do this, s-on flag is their policy for years, they have no reason to change that, no matter how stupid YOU think it is (it may be unpleasant to hear, but I know 10 times more htc users who acctualy doesnt care and are kinda glad that there is another security layer, even if they dont know anything about it, if you dont wanna live in s-on world, before you bought this phone, you should ask first question when buying android device... "why not nexus?", if not nexus, live with what you have). Also your petition is VERY badly written, with many mistakes, even I cant take it seriously.
inb4: yey, lets sign another petition for like 10th time and then again curse htc for nonsenses and yell about our last phone by htc etc.
and yes, I mean it, and call me retard if you want, but you know I am right right now and you know this "petition" is waste of bandwidth
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There vere several initiatives like this to htc (not bound to any particular phone, but general, also google, you cant think youre first genius to have this idea), much stronger than what this could be if all people from DX part of XDA participated, still, few hundred people doesnt have voice strong enough to force htc to do this, s-on flag is their policy for years, they have no reason to change that, no matter how stupid YOU think it is (it may be unpleasant to hear, but I know 10 times more htc users who acctualy doesnt care and are kinda glad that there is another security layer, even if they dont know anything about it, if you dont wanna live in s-on world, before you bought this phone, you should ask first question when buying android device... "why not nexus?", if not nexus, live with what you have). Also your petition is VERY badly written, with many mistakes, even I cant take it seriously.
inb4: yey, lets sign another petition for like 10th time and then again curse htc for nonsenses and yell about our last phone by htc etc.
and yes, I mean it, and call me retard if you want, but you know I am right right now and you know this "petition" is waste of bandwidth
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Just that.HTC will never allow that because that enables us to change cid, and sim unlock easily.
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mindlesSheep said:
There vere several initiatives like this to htc (not bound to any particular phone, but general, also google, you cant think youre first genius to have this idea), much stronger than what this could be if all people from DX part of XDA participated, still, few hundred people doesnt have voice strong enough to force htc to do this, s-on flag is their policy for years, they have no reason to change that, no matter how stupid YOU think it is (it may be unpleasant to hear, but I know 10 times more htc users who acctualy doesnt care and are kinda glad that there is another security layer, even if they dont know anything about it, if you dont wanna live in s-on world, before you bought this phone, you should ask first question when buying android device... "why not nexus?", if not nexus, live with what you have). Also your petition is VERY badly written, with many mistakes, even I cant take it seriously.
inb4: yey, lets sign another petition for like 10th time and then again curse htc for nonsenses and yell about our last phone by htc etc.
and yes, I mean it, and call me retard if you want, but you know I am right right now and you know this "petition" is waste of bandwidth
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so just because you think htc wont allow us to s-off you think we shouldnt try ?? that kind of lazy attitude is why we wont get it anytime soon so what if others have tried and not succeeded, if you dont try, dont ask you'll never get nothing so how about instead of bringing negativity into how about you put some positive for a change ?? or is that too much to ask, also why does it matter how it is worded as long as the message gets across ? and also you say why not nexus well I say why not this htc desire x ? its a alright phone just needs s-off and we will get more interest in it, when the android manual releases a bug free version of paranoid android hopefully well will get more devs to make this phone more customizable and give us a larger selection of roms
azraelcelt said:
so just because you think htc wont allow us to s-off you think we shouldnt try ?? that kind of lazy attitude is why we wont get it anytime soon so what if others have tried and not succeeded, if you dont try, dont ask you'll never get nothing so how about instead of bringing negativity into how about you put some positive for a change ?? or is that too much to ask, also why does it matter how it is worded as long as the message gets across ? and also you say why not nexus well I say why not this htc desire x ? its a alright phone just needs s-off and we will get more interest in it, when the android manual releases a bug free version of paranoid android hopefully well will get more devs to make this phone more customizable and give us a larger selection of roms
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i couldnt agree more with you my friend ))
dont worry i am sure that one day we will have s-off...also there are people who are deving for this phone...and tried a lot of ways to s-off this phone and supercid !! but its a little bit risky modifying files so as to supercid and s-off...
and now cm9 - cm10 are on development...we almost have a working PA rom and a cm9
having a wifi and bluetooth broken its fixable so we support these people and we make our phone something special
azraelcelt said:
so just because you think htc wont allow us to s-off you think we shouldnt try ?? that kind of lazy attitude is why we wont get it anytime soon so what if others have tried and not succeeded, if you dont try, dont ask you'll never get nothing so how about instead of bringing negativity into how about you put some positive for a change ?? or is that too much to ask, also why does it matter how it is worded as long as the message gets across ? and also you say why not nexus well I say why not this htc desire x ? its a alright phone just needs s-off and we will get more interest in it, when the android manual releases a bug free version of paranoid android hopefully well will get more devs to make this phone more customizable and give us a larger selection of roms
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have you even bothered reading what I wrote? Ok, ill tell you one specific reason, why we wont be gettin s-off officialy never ever despite how much would you want. Its called supercid, it completely breaks operator phone selling strategies (and furthermore, it was acknowledged by US court of law as illegal), and it acctualy makes sense, why you want to flame me for blahblah instead of just plain thinking? Unless you became bigger source of stable income to HTC than AT&T, Tellus, TMO and any other operator who is branding their phones worldwide, you cant make demands like this. So if I count right, it would be never.
edit: well branding... I meant blocking their phones so they can be used in only one specific network, point is same, ETA for official s-off is same too.
mindlesSheep said:
have you even bothered reading what I wrote? Ok, ill tell you one specific reason, why we wont be gettin s-off officialy never ever despite how much would you want. Its called supercid, it completely breaks operator phone selling strategies (and furthermore, it was acknowledged by US court of law as illegal), and it acctualy makes sense, why you want to flame me for blahblah instead of just plain thinking? Unless you became bigger source of stable income to HTC than AT&T, Tellus, TMO and any other operator who is branding their phones worldwide, you cant make demands like this. So if I count right, it would be never.
edit: well branding... I meant blocking their phones so they can be used in only one specific network, point is same, ETA for official s-off is same too.
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I said just that, but this guy doesn't listen...
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@azraelcelt
Do you even read what people are posting? Wy wold HTC cut siting branch by leting us s-off our devices? The majority of company's sales goes throug operators worldwide. Can you get the point? They will never let us s-off easy.
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@azraelcelt
Do you even read what people are posting? Wy wold HTC cut siting branch by leting us s-off our devices? The majority of company's sales goes throug operators worldwide. Can you get the point? They will never let us s-off easy.
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well that probably depends on whether or not they think its worthwhile after all the supported devices on the htcdev website are to unlock the bootloader yes but it seems they are to S-OFF aswell so if they give us S-OFF for a couple of phones why not ours ?
@azraelcelt
I think the petition should be modified to state that we would like the boot-loader unlock mechanism to be modified for legacy devices(One X, One V and Desire X, etc) such that the kernel and recovery partitions have the security lifted off and allow for the kernel and recovery images to be flashed via recovery mode as built by an AOSP tool-chain.
this is already implemented for HTC ONE and does not entitle the need for supercid(which i feel is wholly unnecessary)also this removes as they stated the security from the kernel and recovery partition so that we may flash a recovery r kernel via a flash able zip thus allowing an easy custom ROM experience yet not unlocking any other security flags that are not needed.
Regards,
Dark Passenger.
Lets get superCID first? A guy from one sv told me that he will s-off our phone once we get superCId
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Dark Passenger said:
@azraelcelt
I think the petition should be modified to state that we would like the boot-loader unlock mechanism to be modified for legacy devices(One X, One V and Desire X, etc) such that the kernel and recovery partitions have the security lifted off and allow for the kernel and recovery images to be flashed via recovery mode as built by an AOSP tool-chain.
this is already implemented for HTC ONE and does not entitle the need for supercid(which i feel is wholly unnecessary)also this removes as they stated the security from the kernel and recovery partition so that we may flash a recovery r kernel via a flash able zip thus allowing an easy custom ROM experience yet not unlocking any other security flags that are not needed.
Regards,
Dark Passenger.
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lol yea that makes alot of sence but some want supercid for ruus maybe and you should make the petition as you seem to explain it a hell of a lot better than I can
azraelcelt said:
lol yea that makes alot of sence but some want supercid for ruus maybe and you should make the petition as you seem to explain it a hell of a lot better than I can
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I no longer am with this device am switching soon.
Edit : and I gave you the substance you just gotta word it right.
also supercid wont happen through official channels( or be legal) its gotta be a dev/member from one of the forums.
Dark Passenger said:
I no longer am with this device am switching soon.
Edit : and I gave you the substance you just gotta word it right.
also supercid wont happen through official channels( or be legal) its gotta be a dev/member from one of the forums.
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I thought you were going to make desire x a great phone by bringing in good stuff. Why giving up so soon ?
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neXus PRIME said:
I thought you were going to make desire x a great phone by bringing in good stuff. Why giving up so soon ?
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Lol I think that's something Atis might succeed in far before I do.
Also I got a better phone! !!
Dark Passenger said:
Lol I think that's something Atis might succeed in far before I do.
Also I got a better phone! !!
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lol lucky bugger im hoping to upgrade sooner or later not gonna have this phone longer than a year not enough modding options just didnt have a extra 50$ for a s3mini
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azraelcelt said:
lol lucky bugger im hoping to upgrade sooner or later not gonna have this phone longer than a year not enough modding options just didnt have a extra 50$ for a s3mini
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lol man s3 mini is actually more difficult to modify due to proprietary St sources(so I was told).
PS Nexus 4 is looking good