We all know that the Galaxy S3 can both record and play back videos in 1080p resolution.
We all know it supports a wide range of codecs.
We all know it records videos with a bitrate of 17Mbps.
BUT...
Does anyone know what's the maximum supported video bitrate for playback?
Will the SIII handle a video with an average bitrate of 30+Mbps?
Will the SIII handle a video with an average bitrate of 50+Mbps?
Will the SIII handle a video with an average bitrate of 70+Mbps?
Will the SIII handle a video with an average bitrate of 100+Mbps?
What's the limit? Has anyone tested this yet?
Of course, it probably depends on a variety of factors - such as the used codec, resolution, number of reframes, etc. - but considering the SIII has the most powerful CPU on the market, it should be able to play basically anything one throws at it.
Also, has anyone actually tested 1080i/p .mov (Quicktime) and .ts (Transport Stream) compatibility?
I would test all of this properly myself, but I don't have a SIII (yet).
Since much more people now actually have the SIII, I decided to bump this thread.
Hopefully someone comes up with answers. If not, I'll conduct the experiments when the time comes myself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26745690
1080p 40 mbit high profile level 4.1 supported. It is standard bluray profile.
What is the point to support higher bitrates , because they should not exist for now...
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gaetanolip said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26745690
1080p 40 mbit high profile level 4.1 supported. It is standard bluray profile.
What is the point to support higher bitrates , because they should not exist for now...
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That's great news, good to hear!
As for why support higher bitrates? Well... perhaps because:
a) these higher bitrates exist outside of mainstream and are used by production companies, even though these values exceed by several times the standards of retail BD's.
b) if the device can play it, it means I can carry these files with me on the go without the need for converting them
c) they can make use of the large HD screen of the SIII
d) benchmark - to test the limitations of the device
What are 'tese files' ?
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Hi all. I recently updated my international Atrix to Gingerbread using the CWM file provided by NFHimself. Unlocked BL and rooted it.
I decided to try the new 1080p video playback with a video captured from youtube through Keepvid but the playback is exactly the same as before update. Wht could be the problem? Probably in the video captured, right?
did you change the setting in the youtube app to play high quality on mobile?
You want to play 1080p o 720p on the Atrix, you search "handbrake converting" on these foruns. Even on GB update, the phone STILL cant play h.264 high profiles.
Sometimes, this makes me regret not waiting 2 months for the S2....
Patience young padawans. Fix your problems cm7 will.
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CM7 will allow us to watch high profile x264?
I think its a hardware limitation.
tegra 2 supports h.264 main profile fully but high profile only in 720 6 MB/s
That's what I thought.
People seem to think cm 7 will fix everything.
it's just another rom as far as I know. it may have better hardware support than most and more developed features, though.
Its not that big a deal. You're going to want to reencode anything 720 or 1080 anyway to save on storage. So just use baseline profile whilst you're at it.
I guess though it sucks if you want to use hdmi for a portable media centre
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So I picked up my tablet today and started fooling around with it installing apps etc. I read that this tablet has support for .mkv video files so I tried a couple of those but noticed that the playback was very choppy. I then tried converting a few into .mp4 which didn't seem to help much because those were also quite choppy.
Had anybody else experienced this? Are there any solutions for fixing this?
Thanks.
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I'm assuming you're using stock video player, right? Why don't you try e.g. MX Video Player and then experiment with software / hardware decoding options? Since I've been using it I've seen no more stutters in video. The app is free.
I've downloaded 720P film 4gb and it plays smooth on stock and Diceplayer. I think it's the way it's encoded. But your best choice is to buy Diceplayer that uses hardware acceleration its totally worth it and its constantly updated...
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I tried diceplayer but it didn't make a difference. How are you encoding the video?
I noticed that it's smooth when the video is 720p, but it lags when it's 1080p. I thought it could support 1080p video?
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Now why would you play 1080p on screen that does not support it? It is hd screen but not full hd.
720p will be easily playable up to 600Kbits.
I downloaded (from a dodgy source if you know what I mean) Indiana Jones and somehow i cannot play it its only 2GB, whereas 4gb pirates of the Caribbean runs smoothly even on stock player.
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Now why would you play 1080p on screen that does not support it? It is hd screen but not full hd.
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Because it rescales the video and depending on the codecs and bit rates it can run just fine. Same reason why I play 720p on my Captivate. Because I can and it looks great and fits the screen nice.
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Now why would you play 1080p on screen that does not support it? It is hd screen but not full hd.
720p will be easily playable up to 600Kbits.
I downloaded (from a dodgy source if you know what I mean) Indiana Jones and somehow i cannot play it its only 2GB, whereas 4gb pirates of the Caribbean runs smoothly even on stock player.
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Last i checked this tablet is supposed to playback 1080p videos no problem.
Another video thread and more confused people.
The Tegra 2 is NOT capable of playing most HD video. The video accelerator which decodes the stream (this is separate from the GPU) is too slow to decode most HD video.
People need to understand the encoding profiles to understand why. The Tegra 2 is only capable of decoding 1080p stream ONLY if the video was encoding using Baseline setting profile. The problem is NOBODY uses Baseline profile to encode h.264 video because its obsolete and offers poor compression.
So what do we have left? We have Main profile and High profile.
Tegra 2 can only decode 720p Main profile at LOW bitrate only. If the video is encoded with Main profile over 4mb/s bitrate you are out of luck as the Tegra 2 is simply too slow to decode it. You can forget High profile encoded video unless its encoded in super low bitrate.
So what the problem? The problem is NOBODY encodes in Baseline profile.
You have to understand Tegra 2 is a VERY old chip. Almost 2 years old now and the GPU and video accelerator is the same as the ANCIENT Tegra 1 from about 3 years ago.
The moral of the story is Tegra 2 is NOT fast enough to decode most of todays HD videos. The best you can do is re-encode the videos you want in Baseline profile. Ya, what a PITA....Thank Tegra 2 for that.
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Another video thread and more confused people.
The Tegra 2 is NOT capable of playing most HD video. The video accelerator which decodes the stream (this is separate from the GPU) is too slow to decode most HD video.
People need to understand the encoding profiles to understand why. The Tegra 2 is only capable of decoding 1080p stream ONLY if the video was encoding using Baseline setting profile. The problem is NOBODY uses Baseline profile to encode h.264 video because its obsolete and offers poor compression.
So what do we have left? We have Main profile and High profile.
Tegra 2 can only decode 720p Main profile at LOW bitrate only. If the video is encoded with Main profile over 4mb/s bitrate you are out of luck as the Tegra 2 is simply too slow to decode it. You can forget High profile encoded video unless its encoded in super low bitrate.
So what the problem? The problem is NOBODY encodes in Baseline profile.
You have to understand Tegra 2 is a VERY old chip. Almost 2 years old now and the GPU and video accelerator is the same as the ANCIENT Tegra 1 from about 3 years ago.
The moral of the story is Tegra 2 is NOT fast enough to decode most of todays HD videos. The best you can do is re-encode the videos you want in Baseline profile. Ya, what a PITA....Thank Tegra 2 for that.
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Every time I see something you posted makes me vomit.
You write such bs that im starting to believe that you don't own any android device at all.
Pirates.Of.The.Caribbean.On.Stranger.Tides.2011.720p.BRRip.x264.AAC-ViSiON
Limitless.2011.UNRATED.720p.BRRip.x264.AAC-ViSiON
Both of these play perfectly on stock player and Diceplayer
This is max what you can get out of 4gb file that will fit the honeycomb filesystem
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Oh god more troll nonsense, listen at the end of the day we have a fantastic tablet that plays back most everything ive thrown at it using the stock player and dice/mxplayer. Bottom line these devices are not designed to replace a media center, they are portable devices that are designed for convenience, and i think the Tegra2 is a fantastic chipset. The screen itself is 720p, there is no reason to be watching 1080p video on the device. It will give you a slightly sharper picture assuming the internal scaler is effective but nothing more. I dont know what this guy is talking about the tegra2 being an old chip, its probably the most advanced CPU/GPU combination on the market, considering we have 100's of people in the dev community continually finding ways to push every bit of power out of it beyond stock.
Stop trolling threads dude, people want answers not smart ass speculation.
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Every time I see something you posted makes me vomit.
You write such bs that im starting to believe that you don't own any android device at all.
Pirates.Of.The.Caribbean.On.Stranger.Tides.2011.720p.BRRip.x264.AAC-ViSiON
Limitless.2011.UNRATED.720p.BRRip.x264.AAC-ViSiON
Both of these play perfectly on stock player and Diceplayer
This is max what you can get out of 4gb file that will fit the honeycomb filesystem
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I am sorry but your post offer no useful information. I checked the Limitless movie and its only encoded at 1840 Kbps. Thats pretty low bitrate and as I stated the tegra 2 can play that back in Baseline or Main. If that movie was encoded at 5mbps Main profile it would choke the tegra 2.
If you transfer files from a MAC with kies for MacOS then it corrupts videos and photos (it is a known problem).
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I am sorry but your post offer no useful information. I checked the Limitless movie and its only encoded at 1840 Kbps. Thats pretty low bitrate and as I stated the tegra 2 can play that back in Baseline or Main. If that movie was encoded at 5mbps Main profile it would choke the tegra 2.
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5th Element is just a troll who wants attention. Take a look at some of his posts, especially dealing withe kal el and everyone will see.
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I've downloaded 720P film 4gb and it plays smooth on stock and Diceplayer. I think it's the way it's encoded. But your best choice is to buy Diceplayer that uses hardware acceleration its totally worth it and its constantly updated...
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Thanks for the post after having issues with my tab that I bought for my three year old, mainly for watching video on the go I was very unsatisfied with the choppy feedback on MX player.
I read your post and installed diceplayer and bang fixed.
My son can watch Peter Rabbit and leave me in peace now.:good::laugh:
I am trying to decide between the International Note or the Att note (both being equal in price). My biggest concern is the video playback in browser (HD 1080p flash video) and 720/1080p mkv videos (using stock or 3rd party players). I found that there are some reports of choppiness with the ATT note in the "Att note vs International Note review" thread. How true is this? And is it still true after overclocking?
LTE is not very impt, but definitely a plus since my area is LTE ready. Biggest thing is video playback and web browsing experience(especially in flash heavy websites). I actually find my Tegra 3 Asus Prime to be less smooth than my current galaxy s2 smartphone (can be a resolution thing..).
I had the HP Touchpad before with the same snapdragon processor as the att note and it was pretty terrible at playing the type of files I wanted smoothly (ESPECIALLY IN BROSWER). That was using Webos, so it can be a different story here.
720p mkv play perfectly - no re-encoding required - but you are apparently still constrained by the 4GB limit, so full length movies are not possible in many cases.
TV shows average about 1.2 gig so its most useful for those.
If we ever get ICS, I assume the 4gb limit will no longer apply, only you will have to transfer files via wifi or use a card reader and transfer directly to the SD card - the retarded samsung/MS USB file transfer protocols still fail at 4gb even if the device can store larger files.
I have this problem with my galaxy tab 10.1 I can play re-encoded mp4 much larger than 4gb but they have to be transferred by wifi. I assume the same problem will exist with the note under ICS.
Edit: Apparently NTFS formatting of the SD card has been attempted, don't know if it is an effective solution to 4gb limit, haven't tried it myself: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/galaxy-note-can-now-format-sd-card-to-ntfs-file-system/
Thanks, what about 1080p flash in browser? My Galaxy s2 can do this on youtube without a problem (and on engadget), but I'm wondering if it's possible with the galaxy note att. I am sure the international version will fair fine.
Yes, works with stock browser.
Tried Dark Knight 1080p trailer - plays fine.
NVIDA Pure Video 1080p test - plays fine.
Sharp Aquous Full HD 1080p test - plays fine.
1080p 30 fps 17Mbps HD Test Footage by DizzyDougTV - Plays fine
All were tested using LTE not wifi
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My biggest concern is the video playback in browser (HD 1080p flash video) and 720/1080p mkv videos (using stock or 3rd party players).
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Since the Note's screen is 800x1200, and one typically watches videos on the phone "sideways", there's no real benefit of watching video above 720p; the phone can only go up to 800p "sideways". Not only that, but because the screen is so small you likely won't be able to tell the difference in videos at resolutions higher than DVD-quality (i.e. 480p) anyway.
As for poor playback performance, I've watched a couple of YouTube videos in HQ and I find that there is the odd minor stutter here and there, but nothing to serious. I'm not sure how much of that is the result of network latency, though.
I've played DVD-quality videos (480p) -- copied onto the device memory; not streamed online -- with absolutely no issues whatsoever.
I've also played 720p and 1080p videos which were copied directly on to the device. There is occasionally a frame dropped here and there (most people wouldn't notice, but I'm pretty sensitive to that after years of messing around with video on computers) but I would say they play perfectly fine, also.
From my understanding, the newer I717 has more CPU horsepower and a GPU that is a little more than twice as fast. I would imagine this would make it better at playing videos than the older N7000 (i.e. international version).
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Since the Note's screen is 800x1200, and one typically watches videos on the phone "sideways", there's no real benefit of watching video above 720p; the phone can only go up to 800p "sideways". Not only that, but because the screen is so small you likely won't be able to tell the difference in videos at resolutions higher than DVD-quality (i.e. 480p) anyway.
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True, but he might want to output the video to a higher resolution display - I assume this thing has some sort of HDMI adapter.
Just my opinion, but 720p looks sharper than DVD quality to me even on a 5.3 inch display, though, granted, the difference is small.
Tried several MKV movies in 1080p (had to chop them up into smaller MKV size)..
Smooth as butter with Dice Player
I should also mention that you would want a player that will leverage Hardware Decoding..
Tried turning this feature off in Dice Player for 1080p playback, and sure enough, it was choppy.
Im converting some old video tapes to MP4. Does this tablet support 50fps playback? The same file plays back flawlessly on my S3 - but that is quad core.
Larger video sizes sees the tablet baulk and freeze.
Disappointed if it doesn't have the raw grunt to keep up.
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Im converting some old video tapes to MP4. Does this tablet support 50fps playback? The same file plays back flawlessly on my S3 - but that is quad core.
Larger video sizes sees the tablet baulk and freeze.
Disappointed if it doesn't have the raw grunt to keep up.
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Not sure, try it.
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I did try it, hence, the tablet freezes on larger file sizes.
Just wondered what the raw specs of the device were and whether the Tegra 2 fully support 50fps and at what res!
I've never had the need to encode something at that frame rate. What resolution and encoding settings are you using? Assume you are encoding to H.264.
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Try latest MX Player my friend, and OC your tabby to 1.2 or 1.4. I tried and 3.5GB mkv file played smoothly on my tab.
Questions go in the Q&A section
Hello! I will be updating this thread on video playback capabilities of the Nexus 10, particularly on high-end resolution. The new software update is out and under testing at many sites, as well is it is shipping worldwide, so I'll try to share as many information about the multimedia capabilities of the Nexus 10 as possible, you can help out too. Discussion should cover
- full HD video playback performance, formats, framerates
- stock vs. 3rd party media player apps
- youtube and streaming at fullHD
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Video performance test by italia0101
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YouTube 2600k sample:
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HI10P 720p sample file: http://hotfile.com/dl/148950242/e652ee9/
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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Yeah this kinda does worry me, as a big part of why i'm looking at this is to play movies while a travel, he does say its only with HD rips of blue rays, but would be nice to see if it does it with HD movies downloaded via the playstore etc.
might have to wait to see what happens when people get it in their hands.
Of course there are some 2600k videos too to get the maximum out of the Nexus 10, mostly gaming. Anyone with hands on the device should check this out:
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Of course there are some 2600k videos too to get the maximum out of the Nexus 10, mostly gaming. Anyone with hands on the device should check this out:
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well hopefully this isn't going to be a result of google having to beat the retina, if thats the case then i'd much more want a screen of the 1920x1080 res that is really good, and that the processor isn't running at 100% trying to run.
I'll post some 2560x1440 (not upscaled) clips shortly for folks to check out their new toys, along with same clips in 1080p BD bitrates (35Mbps) for comparison testing.
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I'll post some 2560x1440 (not upscaled) clips shortly for folks to check out their new toys, along with same clips in 1080p BD bitrates (35Mbps) for comparison testing.
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The reviewer said he was trying it on ripped blue rays, does that mean it would be playing a video on 1920x1080 and stretching the image? standard blue ray def is 1920x1080 right?
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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He said he was downloading things in the back. I think a lot of devices lag when you're downloading things.
>The reviewer said he was trying it on ripped blue rays, does that mean it would be playing a video on 1920x1080 and stretching the image? standard blue ray def is 1920x1080 right?
Original BD is 1920x1080 with avg bitrates of 30-35Mbps. Rips can keep the 1080p res or be downscaled, but bitrates are inevitably lower (for smaller size) as they're intended to be downloaded.
Many devices now can handle 1080p of the "rip" (lowered bitrate) variety, but fewer can smoothly play "remuxed" (original BD bitrate) 1080p content. So to say that a device can playback 1080p is relatively meaningless unless the bitrate is specified. Anything from Youtube would not be a good test, since YT stuff are highly compressed (very low bitrate relative to resolution), and fidelity is substantially compromised.
My expectation is that N10 should handle "normal" 1080p rips (10Mbps), given it's the latest-gen SoC, and that video playback is a staple use. I'm more curious about performance with BD-bitrate content, and 1440p content, hence the pending clip uploads. Admittedly, these would be more for curiosity's sake than for practical use--there is no 1440p content, and BD ISOs won't fit through wifi pipes, HT40 or no.
Subscribing as videos are the #1 thing I use tablets for. There was one video posted in the general section last week that takes advantage of the N10's resolution. A quick browse back a few pages and you'll find it in one of the threads talking about the screen
Playing back laggy HD video is a major concern. Not that I would watch movies on it myself but the last thing Google and Samsung needs is more ammo against them. This being the only somewhat major issue though, unlike the fake issues like no SD, plastic construction, and tablet specific apps(the ipad ones really are not that much better than the iphone ones, except games with HD in the title).
That said, my core 2 duo chugs during some streams so i am guessing if it chugs on the PC, Nexus 7, ipad 4, tf700, it will chug on the Nexus 10 and everything else that isn't an i7.
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Playing back laggy HD video is a major concern. Not that I would watch movies on it myself but the last thing Google and Samsung needs is more ammo against them. This being the only somewhat major issue though, unlike the fake issues like no SD, plastic construction, and tablet specific apps(the ipad ones really are not that much better than the iphone ones, except games with HD in the title).
That said, my core 2 duo chugs during some streams so i am guessing if it chugs on the PC, Nexus 7, ipad 4, tf700, it will chug on the Nexus 10 and everything else that isn't an i7.
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What kind of streams are you running against your C2D? I find it hard to believe it's choking on even 1080p 24+ bit-rate streams. Are you on some ancient video card that doesn't have acceleration, thereby forcing your CPU to brute-force the decode?
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What kind of streams are you running against your C2D? I find it hard to believe it's choking on even 1080p 24+ bit-rate streams. Are you on some ancient video card that doesn't have acceleration, thereby forcing your CPU to brute-force the decode?
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My guess it has something to do with my home group connection or wifi connection in general. Playback through a USB drive or internal storage never chugs though. Although some files still have artifacting.
I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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Good lord. So do I.
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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There are many tweaks that can be used to slim down a loaded system, but regarding games & videos, I would set the heapsize to 512m, to start. The next place I would look is swappiness. Usually when running one big app and not task switching, you'd want to increase this so that other processes are cached to virtual memory, freeing ram for your main process. With 2gb ram, though, the opposite might be better, as some apps will periodically wake to check for email, news, chats, etc. In this case I think it would be better to keep those processes in ram so that they don't cause a hit to disk to wake from virtual memory.
In other words, I would definitely try tweaking swappiness, but I don't know which way would be better. I'm going to sub this thread; please post whatever results you experience.
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I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.
For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.
The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
Since this resolution is so high on this device, is the Nexus 10 the 1st. "ULTRA" high resolution mobile device/tablet? Doesn't ultra start around this resolution or so?
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I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.
For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.
The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
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Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
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Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
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I've not had any issues previously using MXplayer. However since this video was animated and in Japanese, it might have been completely out of sync, I have no idea