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Hope I'm not being sacrilegeous, but is it possible? I've always admired the platform, but the lack of apps always held me back from trying it.
Any possibility we could get WebOS running on the G tab?
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Because if number of available apps is the problem, WebOS is clearly the answer.
Thanks for the laugh.
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Because if number of available apps is the problem, WebOS is clearly the answer.
Thanks for the laugh.
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the lack of apps is whats kept him from trying Web OS (ie: buying a web os device) however hes interested in trying out the platform if he could get it running on his gtab.
but you clearly didn't pick that up and made an ass of yourself.
You're right (on both counts).
Not the first or last time I make an ass of myself on the internet.
I doubt it, but it would be awesome. WebOS is a stunningly beautiful OS. I love the way it looks, feels, and works. To me, it's up there with android in the multitasking department and surpasses it in design (though honeycomb is getting close). I had a pre for about 6 months and sometimes miss some of the things it did. That being said, as of june 2010, it was buggy as all get out and the app store was severly lacking.
I second the request for someone to look into this though, as it would be a lot of fun to play with.
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You're right (on both counts).
Not the first or last time I make an ass of myself on the internet.
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Hey, at least you owned up to it
I bought a Palm Pre the day it was released, I thought WebOS was pretty damn awesome, but they released it on hardware of the worst quality (my Pre oreo'd like a mofo, and the touchscreen stopped working 9 months in). That and the fact that they didn't license it out like Android pretty much doomed it from the start.
Nice to see HP giving it a go, and #2 tablet world is wide open at the moment, but I wouldn't choose it over Android. Would be fun to play with though.
CPU is probably the big obstacle - anyone know what WebOS is compiled for? I actually know very little about the device.
If, for example, the hardware was ARM based then it's in the realm of possibility.
EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webos. hmmm, ARM-based and Linux based. Interesting.....
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CPU is probably the big obstacle - anyone know what WebOS is compiled for? I actually know very little about the device.
If, for example, the hardware was ARM based then it's in the realm of possibility.
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original pre was an omap processor, not sure if that is arm or not. I think texas instruments was the manufacturer
Btw I thought of this after reading about all the work done on the HTC HD2 and and HD7 running both Windows x.x and Android concurrently. Android Central recently had an article about WebOS 3.0 where they said it is starting to look mighty impressive.
I've always enjoyed Android and how customizable it is, but have enjoyed the UI from WebOS (one of my cousin owned a Pre).
Btw I enjoy using all platforms, I've been on Windows, OS X, and Ubunut for desktops and laptops, and for Smartphones I've used WM 6 (and prior), Blackberry, iOS, and Android. I tend to go with the one that suits my needs/wants best. Now that tablets are starting to be on the rise, I haven't set in stone which one I prefer yet. I picked up a Gtab from Woot knowing that there is a strong community of modders in addition to some solid internal hardware and specs.
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I know nothing about the programming side, but if we could get the ball rolling on this, I'm ready and willing to use my time and hardware for testing.
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Web os is now open source.
Anyone interested
Ubunut!
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..., and Ubunut ...
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LOL! Is this the name for an Ubuntu fanatic?
Is possible to just have the Touchpad running Android only?
Or will it always be a dual boot type of thing WebOS & Android?
It's already running Android courtesy of Cyanogen with their excellent port that's currently in an Alpha 2.1 release. It is a dual boot and I would think that's the way it's going to stay, so people have a choice, and there's always the ability to remove Android if something happens to the Touchpad,
you can do it right now. Its just incredibly stupid being that android is still buggy.
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It's already running Android courtesy of Cyanogen with their excellent port that's currently in an Alpha 2.1 release. It is a dual boot and I would think that's the way it's going to stay, so people have a choice, and there's always the ability to remove Android if something happens to the Touchpad,
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thank you captain obvious, you did in fact not answer his question at all. I also would like to remove webos ASAP.
Plus, for nostalgic reasons, why get rid of webOS?
Because it takes up precious storage space on us unfortunate 16gig owners, specially since it has no expansion ability on our wonderful wonderful device. Personally i haven't even booted into webos once since cm alpha came out.
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The CM team has said that it will stay dual boot as they like WebOS. That might change come ICS, though.
i don't think webos is without a single redeeming feature
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i don't think webos is without a single redeeming feature
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I've had more issues on WebOS than I've had with CM7 Alpha 2. They need to junx it.
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i don't think webos is without a single redeeming feature
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I kinda do. The general ui idea is kind of nice, but the implementation of pretty much everything is awful. Eventually I am gonna want WebOS purged from the Touchpad completely and only have ICS on here.
As a response to thread title: that's the plan. As soon as HP replaces my tablet with one that isn't defective. The more I know about hardware inside these, the more I like them. I think they got a lot of potential down the road if they receive some much needed attention from a good team of developers.
Not to be a wet blanket here but under webos, you have a 50gb box.net account for cloud storage. Using dropbox under cm7 you have 5gb additional storage plus the option to purchase more. Even with the 16gb limitation of most of the TP's out there, you still have storage options so the question of webos taking up too much space does not fly. There are good features to webos and I think the devs realize that. I still use webos for most of my business related work and use cm7 for playtime. I have been using cm7 for quite some time and am very comfortable with the system. When we have a stable build, then the option to remove webos might be valid but until then, what we have is an alpha build ported onto a device with a stable OS installed. Just my 2 cents........
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I have both on my device, if I were forced to choose, I'd remove CM before I removed WebOS.
The app support is the only reason I put it on, the interface and true multitasking nature of WebOS make it superior on a tablet for my needs.
Of course I do have a thunderbolt for my android fix needs.
I think the work the CM team is doing is absolutely great...and it's much appreciated.
But WebOS has been solid, great battery and without issues for my use.
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Fixing Facebook is a Facebook issue, not WebOS.
I think the question you really want to ask is what developers/companies that have WebOS apps will be supporting them?
WebOS needs a better launcher period. Limited TABs, no shortcuts to tabs in the App Bar. The cards concept is cool and polished, I just need a lot of shortcuts to get apps launched.
I agree. That's why I'm looking forward to the next major update. I'm anxious to see what they do to refresh the user experience. It would be really compelling, the future of webOS is in the updates.
3.0.5 is treating me nice.
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3.0.5 is treating me nice.
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ihateu
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I'd be willing to bet on 3.05 not being a that huge of update, just like the two updates before it weren't big updates. They were more like mini-updates.
You can sprinkle a little sugar on some cold coffee here and there, but it doesn't make it a Caffè Latte.
I'm talking webOS 3.06, 3.07, 3.08, 3.09... webOS has to be heading somewhere..
I think the browser needs better tab management.
It makes sense to me to have the app cards appear smaller to fit more on screen. As of now, you can only see half of the one on the left, the full middle one, and half of the one of the right. That might make sense on a phone but with a huge screen, I'd like to have full view of several cards without having to swipe.
The built-in calculator is pretty pathetic. It only allows for basic arithmetic. Just seems silly on such a huge screen.
I love how the calendar app looks and functions. But speed/performance can be improved.
TBH, the future is bleak for WebOS. At this moment, there's just no incentive for HP to continue to update the OS and core apps. And there's no incentive for developers to write apps for a dead platform.
Unless one of the following happens, all of us TouchPad users are left high and dry:
- HP does a complete 180 and decides to support WebOS again and to release new WebOS hardware. (Unlikely, but hey, you never know. They did change their minds about abandoning the PC market and they have a new CEO. So there's a slim sliver of hope.)
- HP sells the entire WebOS division to someone else. (Unlikely unless HP is willing to sell it at a substantial loss.)
- HP licenses out WebOS for other manufacturers. (Could happen. But I stuggle to come up with a reason why manufacturers would choose WebOS over Android or WP7.)
Dead platform??? Sorry, but I do not see it that way. Just like other os's, if you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Development in webos is not so very hard if you are willing to learn. The enyo framework makes it much easier than many other platforms. If you ever played with visual basic on windows, you will see many familiar features. Sure, some coding is required, but not as much as you might think.
I am still learning but webos has so many good features, it's hard to let it go. Dead? Not till the fat lady sings and she ain't said nothin yet!
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Dead platform??? Sorry, but I do not see it that way. Just like other os's, if you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Development in webos is not so very hard if you are willing to learn. The enyo framework makes it much easier than many other platforms. If you ever played with visual basic on windows, you will see many familiar features. Sure, some coding is required, but not as much as you might think.
I am still learning but webos has so many good features, it's hard to let it go. Dead? Not till the fat lady sings and she ain't said nothin yet!
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Ok, fine. Perhaps not dead. But definitely abandoned.
I'm no dev, so I take your word for it when you say it's not difficult to code for WebOS. And I salute your efforts. But I maintain that the future of WebOS is bleak. Eventually, all of us Touchpad users will move on. All Pre users will move on. And there won't be another WebOS device for us to buy even if we stayed true and loyal to the platform.
I just wished they would incorporate the hacks that are currently in homebrew. As to the the TP's longevity, as long as you are in XDA, it wont get old until XDA and CM dev decides they want to move on. By then, we will be salivating on a quad core tablet.
I've been thinking, it doesn't matter if webOS is dead or if it's supported... I've been looking into other devices, seeing if I wanted to transfer over, Prime, Fire, X2 and all things considered, still, you just can't do enough.
Many people are just going to keep this TouchPad until the iPad 3 comes out.
Now, here's the thing, about HP, I never bought any of their products. It was only until the TouchPad came out, that I ever owned anything HP. So, I don't really care for the company.
Everyone knows that the only company that makes webOS good is Palm. Only Palm matters.
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Everyone knows that the only company that makes webOS good is Palm. Only Palm matters.
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HP bought Palm in 2010 for $1.2B.
They might have bought Palm, but Palm is still Palm. All we can say that HP did was inadvertently ruin the TouchPad... but Palm is still Palm.
Who from HP created webOS? I mean, it's not like they had anybody from HP working on the TouchPad...
can't wait ti ll i get my device whitelisted.
there are some nice changes coming to 3.0.5
It would be great if WebOS continues to be developed and get future updates. As for my wishlist:
- Restored Touchstone charging functionality -- the 3.0.4 update decreased sensitivity so now my TP doesn't charge on the TS with the cover folded behind.
- Improved browser, tabs & speed. Or, ports of Opera or Dolphin would be great.
- Improved keyboard, with arrow keys and text prediction.
More fun and games coming our way...
http://mobilitydigest.com/hp-gives-webos-to-the-open-source-community
Hopefully CM team will utilize that.
wootsauce baby
What can this mean for us, more kernels and drivers right?
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What can this mean for us, more kernels and drivers right?
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Yes. No more reverse engineering. Think of your touchpad as another HTC HD2 for tablets.
i like that. the HTC HD2 of the tablets XD. great news for us cause ill be ordering mine sunday .
Yeah I think I'll get one on sat from HP on eBay.... supposed to be another fire sale
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Very good news for both OSes : CM dev would be faster with sources and webOS might be improved by community knowledge.
Happier and much more having bought a TP
I was thinking of getting rid of my touchpad since android progress was slow and there are so many nicer tablets coming out. But now guess I will wait a little longer.
I really would love to see WebOS take off. I like it better then Android in some ways. It would be cool if Android apps could run on webOS. Now maybe it could happen.
Why not
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I was thinking of getting rid of my touchpad since android progress was slow and there are so many nicer tablets coming out. But now guess I will wait a little longer.
I really would love to see WebOS take off. I like it better then Android in some ways. It would be cool if Android apps could run on webOS. Now maybe it could happen.
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That's what I do not understand.
IPhone, Android, and WebOS are all Linux.
Why aren't all the apps interchangeable?
What is really different about an IPK or an APK?
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That's what I do not understand.
IPhone, Android, and WebOS are all Linux.
Why aren't all the apps interchangeable?
What is really different about an IPK or an APK?
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Yes, Android, iOS, and WebOS are all based on Linux kernels. The difference between them is that each has a different "framework" to access the kernel features. The "framework" is basically an API (Application Programming Interface) that interacts with the Linux kernel that is basically controlling the hardware.
Hence, an application that emulates one OS while running another is simply doing a translation from a program written for a particular API into the native OS API. The problems with emulators are of course, first and formost performance, and second it may not be possible to translate all actions from one API to the other.
I remember the days when the argument for Linux was that it is portable from platform to platform... just recompile and off you go.
just because they are releasing the source for webos does not mean they are releasing any touchpad specific source. Our version of webos may never be open sourced. it's a possibility.
Does anyone in this forum actually use webOS or is everyone just using Android on their Touchpad? I just got my Touchpad yesterday so I havent been around these forums much until now. I just see everyone talking about Cyanogenmod and everything else that has to do with Android. I would like to start some webOS talk if anyone is interested.
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Does anyone in this forum actually use webOS or is everyone just using Android on their Touchpad? I just got my Touchpad yesterday so I havent been around these forums much until now. I just see everyone talking about Cyanogenmod and everything else that has to do with Android. I would like to start some webOS talk if anyone is interested.
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The problem with WebOS is that it has been discontinued, is not as versatile as Android, and has like no apps compared with Android.
I have used both on the touchpad, and I can guarantee you if you flashed CM9 and dual-booted both OS's for one day each, you'd stick to Android after that.
There's not a whole lot to talk about WebOS, it's nice, but it's obsolete.
videos are a bit hopeless on quite a few versions of android, so i stick with WebOS for watching movies and stuff via VPN, internet is a grey area, sometimes i prefer when webOS just works as opposed to android browser throwing a fit.
apps.....yh android is 100 times better now that we have ICS
I love the webOS UI. I have an android phone and used to have a webOS phone so I am familiar with both. I agree android has more apps which makes it more usable with most people. But webOS does a better job with how things look and feel in my opinion. I will be installing cm9 on it tonight but will still use both operating systems for different things. I'm hoping with webOS going open source we will see both these operating systems grow with eachother.
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I used webOS exclusively until ICS. At least webOS was tablet optimized. CM7 was unbearable to me. webOS is intuitive, stable, snappy, and smooth. The default browser in webOS renders well and handles flash great. Advanced browser added some nice features.
You will find a lot more talk of people using the TouchPad on webOS at webOS nation, formerly precentral. They also have a lot more guides about webOS optimization, like over clocking, preware, and more. XDA is dominated by android, so it makes sense most of the users here run ICS. I have a brother in law that bought a TouchPad at full price before the fire sale. He loves it and webOS, he didn't know you could put Android on it.
To me it comes down to use. I use my tablet for almost 90% web browsing. On GB web browsing was terrible. But ICS brings solid web browsing that I feel is faster than the webOS browser. Then while I'm in there I get to plug into my Google stuff easier.
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I used webOS exclusively until ICS. At least webOS was tablet optimized. CM7 was unbearable to me. webOS is intuitive, stable, snappy, and smooth. The default browser in webOS renders well and handles flash great. Advanced browser added some nice features.
You will find a lot more talk of people using the TouchPad on webOS at webOS nation, formerly precentral. They also have a lot more guides about webOS optimization, like over clocking, preware, and more. XDA is dominated by android, so it makes sense most of the users here run ICS. I have a brother in law that bought a TouchPad at full price before the fire sale. He loves it and webOS, he didn't know you could put Android on it.
To me it comes down to use. I use my tablet for almost 90% web browsing. On GB web browsing was terrible. But ICS brings solid web browsing that I feel is faster than the webOS browser. Then while I'm in there I get to plug into my Google stuff easier.
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Thanks for your opinion. I am a member of webOS Nation too. I'm just over here more since I have a Droid X2. I think a lot of users have left the forums over there too, sadly. I guess I'll be jumping back and forth.
I purchased my Touchpad during the initial fire sale, with the goal of installing Android on it. I found that I actually like WebOS, so I never installed Android and don't plan on it at this point. I don't care that there are not as many apps on WebOS as there are on Android. I have an Android phone and Galaxy Tab, and don't have very many apps installed on either one of those either. I like how smooth and intuitive that WebOS is, and I love it's interface. So, WebOS is a keeper for me.
If I ever feel like I absolutely have to have an ICS device, then I'll just go out and purchase one with the OS already installed on it (provided that it's a decent price).
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videos are a bit hopeless on quite a few versions of android, so i stick with WebOS for watching movies and stuff via VPN, internet is a grey area, sometimes i prefer when webOS just works as opposed to android browser throwing a fit.
apps.....yh android is 100 times better now that we have ICS
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HW acceleration works now on CM9 so videos should not be choppy (none of mine are, netflix works 100% great and so does YouTube HD)
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I love the webOS UI. I have an android phone and used to have a webOS phone so I am familiar with both. I agree android has more apps which makes it more usable with most people. But webOS does a better job with how things look and feel in my opinion. I will be installing cm9 on it tonight but will still use both operating systems for different things. I'm hoping with webOS going open source we will see both these operating systems grow with eachother.
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that's the thing, only one of those operating systems is going to "grow"
I get that WebOS is open source now, but the difference is that Google is still making new versions of Android, but NO ONE is making new versions of WebOS, so it is just a losing proposition.
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that's the thing, only one of those operating systems is going to "grow"
I get that WebOS is open source now, but the difference is that Google is still making new versions of Android, but NO ONE is making new versions of WebOS, so it is just a losing proposition.
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webOS isnt even fully open source yet. No one can really do anything with what HP has given them so far. But once developers get a hold of a fully open source product, only time will tell if we will see another "version of webOS" or big improvements on what is already there. Im just being optimistic about the whole open source thing and hoping to see SOME good come out of it. I will have Android on my device as well for future development on the Android side of things.
I too have been an Android convert since my wife got the G1 from T mobile several years ago. Then I went to the Droid X. Then a galaxy tab 7 and now a Razr.
I wanted a larger tablet and saw the price of iPad and others and thought I would just keep what I had. When I read that the touchpad could run android and they were just $200 a few months ago, I bought 3. Then sold one, gave one as a gift and kept one.
I really like webOS. I use it for just surfing, email and the front facing camera works with Skype. Ics still has no ffc. So with webOS it doesn't matter.
I think the touchpad is one of the best tablets out there. You have the great feel of webOS on one side and the flasoholics dream on the other.
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So I bought my tp about a week ago, and played with webOS for about two hours before/while installing android on it. I laugh at anyone who wants to "remove" webOS from this tablet. It is a fantastic operating system. But you have to admit, android's app selection is a huge, huge pro to installing ics. Whether you care or not is irrelevant. Both OS's are solid and stable, both have their pros and cons. I can see myself using webOS 100% of the time if their app selection half way caught up with android. As it is, webOS is a very nice alternative if your android is bugging out for whatever reason, and android is a nice alternative if you want more apps than webOS offers.
Hopefully, the open sourcing of webOS will give a huge boost to the dev community, for both OS's. Imagine having webOS with a ton of mods and customizations and apps, while having android with flawless wifi and camera. I would love to see that happen. Then we would literally have the best tablet available!
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Does anyone in this forum actually use webOS or is everyone just using Android on their Touchpad? I just got my Touchpad yesterday so I havent been around these forums much until now. I just see everyone talking about Cyanogenmod and everything else that has to do with Android. I would like to start some webOS talk if anyone is interested.
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The reason why you see everyone here talking about android and cyanogenmod is because you are in an predominantly android forum. Its like asking where the apple users have gone in a Linux forum...you can try webosnation forums for webos related stuff and chat
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I use only webos on my touchpad and see no reason to use cm9.
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I use only webos on my touchpad and see no reason to use cm9.
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Unless disk space is an issue, I see no reason not to run both.
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I use only webos on my touchpad and see no reason to use cm9.
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Agreed, unfortunately there are not a lot of apps out for webOS. If the OpenMobile ACL project takes off soon then this may be a thing of the past, until then I'm happily running ICS on my touchpad.
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Unless disk space is an issue, I see no reason not to run both.
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I agree. I bought the 32 gig because I knew I was going to install android on it. 32 gigs is a lot of space so like you said, I see no reason not to if you have the extra space. If it wasnt for the apps on android though, I wouldn't bother.
How anyone can stand the WebOS browser is beyond me. Absolute garbage. I couldn't flash Android fast enough.
I used webOS for as long as it was reasonable to do so - but CM9 is clearly a better choice for almost anyone. I tweaked and fiddled and played with webOS to get the most seamless experience possible, spending a TON of time on it, and in the end it's just a ton of effort expended to bring the device up to "adequate". Most of the fixes and tweaks etc that I recommended should have been baked into the code for webOS -years- ago. It's really a shame how hard they dropped the ball - and this is coming from someone who's been a webOS convert since I bought my very first pre- on launch day and has put up with all the negatives. SOOOOOO much promise, massive failure to deliver. I can't help but feel like even the open-source effort is a bit slow and stalling, and the timeline on this is doing nothing but sending experienced devs who -were- webOS faithful on to other devices.
As it sits, the touchpad running CM9 is one of the most capable ICS-equipped tablets on the market. It's a beast in terms of CPU, graphics, screen, etc. The newest nightlies run beautifully. I can't see any reason why a TP owner wouldn't want CM9 installed on their touchpad. Even if you still use webOS (I do from time to time), having CM9 on there is a no-brainer. 20 seconds and you've rebooted into CM9 ready to use it's vast array of apps, enjoy a much more capable web browsing experience, and generally massively improve the usefulness of your tablet. There's no downside.
That's why the webOS users are a bit sparse, and that's a trend I only see continuing.
Just landed into this forum after get the link from Google, shows that Touchpad was heavily installed with Android in it (mostly CM9?).
Currently I'm using only WebOS on my Touchpad, not yet try to install CM9 on it. Only have 16GB version. Previous day have a plan to get 32GB version, so I can install CM9 on it, but now changes a plan a little bit for it.
Meanwhile, I try to keep watching the progress on this forum, about Android usage on Touchpad. If someday I will install CM9 on it, it should be dual-boot. Hopefully after WebOS become open source fully, like Android, many apps appears for it.
I never run into space issues running webOS and CM9 on a 16 GB. I see it as a cloud based device. Without an internet connection I wouldn't use it. I stream everything, so I don't store any content on it. Loaded with apps, I still have more than half the system partition free, and like 2/3 the storage space free.
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