Since its looking like the US GSM lock is at the baseband level(correct me if 'm wrong,) I'm wondering if there's any chance of ever getting an unlocked radio.
From what I've seen the only option on other phones is usually a radio from a foreign version of the same phone, which we don't have do we?
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Since its looking like the US GSM lock is at the baseband level(correct me if 'm wrong,) I'm wondering if there's any chance of ever getting an unlocked radio.
From what I've seen the only option on other phones is usually a radio from a foreign version of the same phone, which we don't have do we?
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In ICS the phone is fully unlocked/Global. I assume that you don't have ICS?
Leviathan26 said:
In ICS the phone is fully unlocked/Global. I assume that you don't have ICS?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1619563&highlight=zip
I'm running 4.04, and it is indeed global, but US carriers are still blocked.
mc732 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1619563&highlight=zip
I'm running 4.04, and it is indeed global, but US carriers are still blocked.
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Hmm, didn't know that. In this case, we would need a custom/modded radio. Or some other radio or authentication related things.
Leviathan26 said:
Hmm, didn't know that. In this case, we would need a custom/modded radio. Or some other radio or authentication related things.
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did u ever get the radio unlocked for US carriers?
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Would it be possible to activate the GSM/WCDMA radios of this phone?
Eh?
2 versions of this phone.
1. VZW version aka the DROID RAZR/XT912 --> CDMA/LTE radio
2. Global version aka MOTO RAZR/XT910 --> GSM/WCDMA/HSPA
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Eh?
2 versions of this phone.
1. VZW version aka the DROID RAZR/XT912 --> CDMA/LTE radio
2. Global version aka MOTO RAZR/XT910 --> GSM/WCDMA/HSPA
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Both versions have a GSM/WCDMA/HSPA chipset, but GSM capability has been disabled in the Verizon phone. Interestingly, the RAZR uses the Qualcomm MDM6600...which is capable of all the aforementioned networks.
As for activating the GSM radio in the Verizon version... my guess is that it will require a custom kernel of some sort...
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Both versions have a GSM/WCDMA/HSPA chipset, but GSM capability has been disabled in the Verizon phone. Interestingly, the RAZR uses the Qualcomm MDM6600...which is capable of all the aforementioned networks.
As for activating the GSM radio in the Verizon version... my guess is that it will require a custom kernel of some sort...
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The RAZR uses the TI OMAP4430, which doesn't have any built-in radios. There's no reason why the Verizon version should have GSM/WCDMA radios.
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The RAZR uses the TI OMAP4430, which doesn't have any built-in radios. There's no reason why the Verizon version should have GSM/WCDMA radios.
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The MDM6600 is actually a modem, and not a SoC if that's what you were thinking. It's used on all of Verizon's current global phones, including the iPhone.
From the FCC on the Bionic:
The WCDMA/GSM network functions have been disabled by the firmware and are SIM locked by all US operators on this product.
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And Anandtech:
...This power amp is actually quad band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz. In its shipping form, the Bionic is limited to just 850/1900 for CDMA2000 in the USA, however, I have very little doubt this device could also be used with WCDMA on all four bands with some tweaking. FCC documents also talk about WCDMA functionality being disabled...
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I was thinking along the same lines.
I have a Photon and the GSM bands are locked from being used on other US carriers. There have beem discussions that the radio files are what need to be changed/hacked. I wonder if the premise would be the same as I'd love to make this a global phone...
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Both versions have a GSM/WCDMA/HSPA chipset, but GSM capability has been disabled in the Verizon phone. Interestingly, the RAZR uses the Qualcomm MDM6600...which is capable of all the aforementioned networks.
As for activating the GSM radio in the Verizon version... my guess is that it will require a custom kernel of some sort...
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Read here: http://developer.motorola.com/products/droid-razr-xt912/
Chirality said:
The RAZR uses the TI OMAP4430, which doesn't have any built-in radios. There's no reason why the Verizon version should have GSM/WCDMA radios.
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blkrabb1t said:
The MDM6600 is actually a modem, and not a SoC if that's what you were thinking. It's used on all of Verizon's current global phones, including the iPhone.
From the FCC on the Bionic:
And Anandtech:
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Bah, Qualcomm's model numbers totally threw me off...
Beach_Head said:
Read here: http://developer.motorola.com/products/droid-razr-xt912/
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If its listed under the official specs, shouldn't the phone have it?
matthew5025 said:
If its listed under the official specs, shouldn't the phone have it?
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Yes, unless someone disabled the function. .. which is what Verizon did.
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Hmmm... there doesn't seem to be much interest in this.
Modifying AMSS is really dangerous and I don't think it will be possible even after a bootloader unlock as radio is protected with another "lock code". It should be unlocked only on Engineering devices.
Would it be possible to load the radios of the GSM version onto it?
kholk said:
Modifying AMSS is really dangerous and I don't think it will be possible even after a bootloader unlock as radio is protected with another "lock code". It should be unlocked only on Engineering devices.
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Would it be possible to load the radios of the GSM version onto it?
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I dont think so...this might "permabrick' your phone.
I've been watching this thread really closely, cos i'd really love to use this phone but i have Tmobile.
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Would it be possible to load the radios of the GSM version onto it?
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If there is one thing that Moto locks its boot loader, it's specifically for that.
From what I remember, Moto has some proprietary stuff there, so cracking that will get you into a lot of legal trouble...
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Yes, unless someone disabled the function. .. which is what Verizon did.
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Wait... What? Why would someone disable such a huge feature? Also, if motorola says a phone has GSM radio and it doesn't can't you complain?
Loading GSM radio on it won't brick it as the chip is the same, MDM6600.
The problem is loading it: the different radio bootloader (that isn't the AP bootloader that is being unlocked with ICS update) signature won't allow you to.
So this is a dead end?
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Loading GSM radio on it won't brick it as the chip is the same, MDM6600.
The problem is loading it: the different radio bootloader (that isn't the AP bootloader that is being unlocked with ICS update) signature won't allow you to.
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I am very interested in this!
I travel a lot and need gsm access in Europe and Asia.
I am tired of carrying two phones and trying to keep them synced.
With all of the smart people here we can't figure this out?
I remember enabling the fourth band on my Moto GSM E6 rokr, which was also turned off by the carrier.
feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
But from what I understand, the phone is capable of utilizing gsm as well as cdma out of the box. Otherwise when you went to other countries you would not be able to use the phone. But verizon has agreements with various providers around the world to provide gsm service. And I seem to recall seeing on my device info page, while on my my verizon online access for my bionic, a number listed as the sim puk unlock code. Which may or may not unlock the phone for other sim cards, but I distinctly recall seeing it there. So check your device info page on my verizon. I just thought I'd share because some of the answers get overlooked because people simply don't try the proper channels. Myself included. For instance, who knew that the reset procedure for the razr is explained on the 2nd page of the user manual? I had already google'd it before reading it in both the printed manual and the built in help file.
Can someone explain the current situation with 4G not working after unlocking the boot-loader I believe and will that be fixed anytime soon ?
Don't quote my on this, im NOT at all a dev. But i believe its something to do with the RSA Keys getting screwed up when unlocking bootloader, and i know that there are a few devs working on a fix and we generally don't push them for an ETA, they are working on it in their spare time and we are more than thankful they're working on stuff for our photons. Again im not a dev so don't quote me on the RSA Keys, just something i read a while back and *believe* is the issue, if im wrong feel free to correct me and correctly answer the OP's question. If your wanting to have a rom and still have 4g, theres a longer process you can go through to maintain 4g and still have a rom, but is a long process from what ive heard. Ill post link to it below if your interested.
Maintain 4g with Alien(or any rom)
Jo_795 said:
Can someone explain the current situation with 4G not working after unlocking the boot-loader I believe and will that be fixed anytime soon ?
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I wouldnt ask for an ETA but the devs are great, it'll be out before you know it!
If I understand correctly, 4G is just Sprint's CDMA WIMax? I'm getting a Photon for use on my carriers GSM network and they don't have LTE or anything (just HSDPA/HSUPA I think).
So losing "4G" when unlocking wouldn't affect me correct?
0mfgroflmao said:
If I understand correctly, 4G is just Sprint's CDMA WIMax? I'm getting a Photon for use on my carriers GSM network and they don't have LTE or anything (just HSDPA/HSUPA I think).
So losing "4G" when unlocking wouldn't affect me correct?
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correct.
hopefully you're not intending on using a US GSM network since they're currently 'locked'...
chibucks said:
correct.
hopefully you're not intending on using a US GSM network since they're currently 'locked'...
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No I read up on that, I'm going to be using it in little ol' New Zealand
DethMetalz69 said:
I wouldnt ask for an ETA but the devs are great, it'll be out before you know it!
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well i just wanted to know the current situation of it and why does it screw up. I want to flash CM7 but yea I'm waiting on that fix
Hey there,
been having frequent signal cuts lately after flashing ATT radios on my international Atrix.
However, I did not find any hint about which radios can be used on international phones and which should not.
So, what radio should one use with an international Atrix?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1163009
look here
or google search
xda fruitcake for international atrix
ltdanno360 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1163009
look here
or google search
xda fruitcake for international atrix
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Yeees...actually I did look there, but there is no information given about international devices. Each time someone brings a question regarding international phones, the discussion seems to overhear it.
There is just ATT (USA) and Bell (Canada) radios. It might be true, there exists an older Orange (UK) radio in the unlock thread. However, I started to wonder why there is no update on any other radio but overseas.
You know, either ATT/Bell really suck, making frequent radio updates neccessary, or Orange/O2/*insert any european carreer here* are plain lazy.
Edit: Ahh, right, the signal loss. Yes, I lost my mobile signal several times on Gingermod#4. Well, but everyone there insists on the signal loss being my fault for whatever I dont know reason at all.
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Yeees...actually I did look there, but there is no information given about international devices. Each time someone brings a question regarding international phones, the discussion seems to overhear it.
There is just ATT (USA) and Bell (Canada) radios. It might be true, there exists an older Orange (UK) radio in the unlock thread. However, I started to wonder why there is no update on any other radio but overseas.
You know, either ATT/Bell really suck, making frequent radio updates neccessary, or Orange/O2/*insert any european carreer here* are plain lazy.
Edit: Ahh, right, the signal loss. Yes, I lost my mobile signal several times on Gingermod#4. Well, but everyone there insists on the signal loss being my fault for whatever I dont know reason at all.
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which specifc international device are ya referring to sir? french german china
zimbobway(if they even had atrix there)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1222757
check this out!
ltdanno360 said:
which specifc international device are ya referring to sir? french german china
zimbobway(if they even had atrix there)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1222757
check this out!
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Ah, thanks, it is a german atrix btw.
I restored my darkside prefinal backup with faux kernel + ATT .30p radio and everything works fine.
The signal cut issue might be related to using ATT radios and international stock kernels which I used in gingermod#4.
Will test and report
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Seems like the issue was not kernel related from the start. Freezing "data manger service" and "home"-launcher is not save on every ROM.
Besides the obvious model number, what are the differences in hardware and firmware between the two.
They seem identical my cousin has the galaxy note 2 at&t and I have the i605 Verizon gn2 maybe the network receivers are different
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drarkanex said:
Besides the obvious model number, what are the differences in hardware and firmware between the two.
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A lot...Verizon (and Sprint) uses CDMA frequencies and radios and AT&T (and T-Mobile) uses GSM frequencies and radios
KennyG123 said:
A lot...Verizon (and Sprint) uses CDMA frequencies and radios and AT&T (and T-Mobile) uses GSM frequencies and radios
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I understand the obvious here but I currently have the verizon 605 and I'm on at&t so it would seem that it can be on any carrier considering the n2 uses a lot of freqs. I'm talking about actual hardware differences. I might need to do some research on my own with this one. But if anyone else can help with this would be appreciated.
drarkanex said:
I understand the obvious here but I currently have the verizon 605 and I'm on at&t so it would seem that it can be on any carrier considering the n2 uses a lot of freqs. I'm talking about actual hardware differences. I might need to do some research on my own with this one. But if anyone else can help with this would be appreciated.
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Verizon model doesn't have what it needs to be on AT&T LTE. I believe the way the memory is partitioned is different as well.
Just out of curiosity, why are you wanting to know?
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BluGuy said:
Verizon model doesn't have what it needs to be on AT&T LTE. I believe the way the memory is partitioned is different as well.
Just out of curiosity, why are you wanting to know?
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I am a hardware guy. I'm also considering finding out how they tick and make my own custom rom to maybe figure this out and streamline a rom that will be custom only to the note 2 regardless of carrier. i mean its out there that the note 2 will work on any carrier regardless of model because I'm on my 605 running an att rom on att carrier.
drarkanex said:
I understand the obvious here but I currently have the verizon 605 and I'm on at&t so it would seem that it can be on any carrier considering the n2 uses a lot of freqs. I'm talking about actual hardware differences. I might need to do some research on my own with this one. But if anyone else can help with this would be appreciated.
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The main differences are the included radios
Verizon: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3926
AT&T: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3918
Of course firmware will be very different because of interfacing with the radios
KennyG123 said:
The main differences are the included radios
Verizon: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3926
AT&T: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3918
Of course firmware will be very different because of interfacing with the radios
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^ Thanks for this.
Thinking out loud here, not sure why Samsung wouldn't be able to have one radio that can handle all those different LTE bands. Perhaps this is intentional based on requests from US carriers?
devious_z said:
^ Thanks for this.
Thinking out loud here, not sure why Samsung wouldn't be able to have one radio that can handle all those different LTE bands. Perhaps this is intentional based on requests from US carriers?
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Yes...that sounds like something they would request to try and keep you tied to their carrier or make you buy one of their phones when moving to them.
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^ Thanks for this.
Thinking out loud here, not sure why Samsung wouldn't be able to have one radio that can handle all those different LTE bands. Perhaps this is intentional based on requests from US carriers?
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Yes...that sounds like something they would request to try and keep you tied to their carrier or make you buy one of their phones when moving to them.
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Hmm I am confused here.. doesn't the Verizon note 2 have both GSM and CDMA capabilities, that why is considered a World phone..
I'm pretty certain the main differences is firmare and not hardware. I'll have to check those links Kenny..
I know of people running t mobile on a Verizon note 2 that have everything working perfectly fine and t mobile is GSM. Pop the Sim in, switch mobile networks to GSM, maybe edit apns for lte..but I don't even thunk that is needed once the GSM Sim is in place. This unlocks the add apn feature under access points
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Hmm I am confused here.. doesn't the Verizon note 2 have both GSM and CDMA capabilities, that why is considered a World phone..
I'm pretty certain the main differences is firmare and not hardware. I'll have to check those links Kenny..
I know of people running t mobile on a Verizon note 2 that have everything working perfectly fine and t mobile is GSM. Pop the Sim in, switch mobile networks to GSM, maybe edit apns for lte..but I don't even thunk that is needed once the GSM Sim is in place. This unlocks the add apn feature under access points
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Yes, look at the specs...it has GSM radio too with some frequencies. And no, you cannot flash AT&T firmware on a Verizon phone and have a perfectly working AT&T phone.
KennyG123 said:
Yes, look at the specs...it has GSM radio too with some frequencies. And no, you cannot flash AT&T firmware on a Verizon phone and have a perfectly working AT&T phone.
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No I know that.. I am not saying flashing att firmware would work out of the box, so they say.. I am aware of what it takes to port different firmwares
I'm saying using a att or t mobile Sim is possible.. maybe I wondered off the op's topic here..sorry about that
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I am a hardware guy. I'm also considering finding out how they tick and make my
own custom rom to maybe figure this out and streamline a rom that will be custom only to the note 2 regardless of carrier. i mean its out there that the note 2 will work on any carrier regardless of model because I'm on my 605 running an att rom on att carrier.
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This is possible.. but not without a pretty intense aroma installer..you'll need to separate different csc features, apps, frameworks, permissions, libs, build.props and vender folders. .but yea. Would be a pretty big task and knowledge of all the carriers
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I know of people running t mobile on a Verizon note 2 that have everything working perfectly fine and t mobile is GSM. Pop the Sim in, switch mobile networks to GSM, maybe edit apns for lte..but I don't even thunk that is needed once the GSM Sim is in place. This unlocks the add apn feature under access points
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Thank you for this tidbit of info. I'm currently trying to figure a way to get my old VZW Note 2 working on Straight Talk for my Dad, who's currently using a 3" Samsung something-or-other P.O.S. I'm going to get the AT&T version of the Straight Talk SIM and try it out since some have reported success with it. If not that one, then maybe the T-Mobile one.
I'll post back with my results (5-10 business days for delivery--yikes!)
P.S. Anyone else out there have a recommendation for a ROM to use for this? I'm going to go with something 4.1.x because I've read that later versions won't work. Jedi X maybe?
Pre-orders started today in the U.S., is the phone sold on a carrier specific basis? I haven't seen anything from T-Mobile or Verizon about this phone.
gmfeld said:
Pre-orders started today in the U.S., is the phone sold on a carrier specific basis? I haven't seen anything from T-Mobile or Verizon about this phone.
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No carriers seem to be picking up the phone. Unlocked only.
hyelton said:
No carriers seem to be picking up the phone. Unlocked only.
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So does that mean that we miss out on carrier specific apps and features? If any (Sorry for my ignorance, I've never bought an unlocked phone)
gmfeld said:
So does that mean that we miss out on carrier specific apps and features? If any (Sorry for my ignorance, I've never bought an unlocked phone)
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Yes unfortunately there will be no bloatware for you to have to delete.
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Yes unfortunately there will be no bloatware for you to have to delete.
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"So does that mean that we miss out on carrier specific apps and features?"
I don't think I recall anyone ever asking that question! Most people hate what you are concerned about.
jaseman said:
"So does that mean that we miss out on carrier specific apps and features?"
I don't think I recall anyone ever asking that question! Most people hate what you are concerned about.
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Some people are just nice and never say anything bad. @gmfeld must be one...
The only other problem like past Sony devices. Wifi calling probably will probably not work. That could be a problem if you don't get a good signal at home or where ever
HAYDENB said:
The only other problem like past Sony devices. Wifi calling probably will probably not work. That could be a problem if you don't get a good signal at home or where ever
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Why won't WiFi calling work? Does that mean apps like Duo video chat won't work on a wifi network?
gmfeld said:
Why won't WiFi calling work? Does that mean apps like Duo video chat won't work on a wifi network?
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WiFi calling = SMS and calling from your number when you have no signal over WiFi.
nothing to do with apps
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Yes unfortunately there will be no bloatware for you to have to delete.
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I have always preferred unlocked phones. Easier to use overseas. And as said here no bloat wear. BTW I have read this phone does not do 5G for AT&T
Audiguy3 said:
I have always preferred unlocked phones. Easier to use overseas. And as said here no bloat wear. BTW I have read this phone does not do 5G for AT&T
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Yes, that's correct. I think tmobile provides the best option as far as 5g signal for this phone.