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Forgive me for starting a new thread; I've utilized the search here and some Google-fu, but still have questions for the community.
I recently upgraded to an HTC Rezound from a Thunderbolt, and have accepted the stock OTA ICS update last weekend.
This has not stopped me from Rooting the device, however. Using an All-In-One Toolkit downloaded here, I was able to Unlock the Bootloader, Install custom Recovery (ClockWorkMod Touch), and have SU flashed. All signs point to root, but I would like to know a few things.
- Is there currently any method of acquiring S-OFF, other than the juopunutBear "Wire Trick"? It sounds incredibly risky, and I feel a bit hesitant to try it connecting pins on the back of my phone with insulated wire... I would like to have S-OFF, in case I want to roll back using a PH98IMG.zip
After rooting, I noticed that the text ****TAMPERED**** appears above the UNLOCKED line when I power on into HBOOT. Is this normal? Or have I messed things up? The best answer I have gleaned so far is from another device's forum, and that this simply indicates that I have root.
Would love to hear some feedback. This is my 5th Smartphone starting with the G1, and I have rooted every single one within days. Only the Rezound seems to be the trickiest for me.
Let me know your thoughts, thanks.
The hboot says tampered after you install a custom recovery so that's normal. I was the same way about s-off it seemed to risky and complicated but in all honesty it is very simple. It's our only way to get s-off and the main thing is getting the timing right for the wire trick. I got it on my second try. I would say just read up on it and gain as much info until you feel comfortable to do it.
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big_mike_2k6 said:
The hboot says tampered after you install a custom recovery so that's normal. I was the same way about s-off it seemed to risky and complicated but in all honesty it is very simple. It's our only way to get s-off and the main thing is getting the timing right for the wire trick. I got it on my second try. I would say just read up on it and gain as much info until you feel comfortable to do it.
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Thanks, that confirms a number of suspicions. & As I understand it, I need to be S-OFF in order to flash a custom ROM, correct?
And this is due to the fact that I not only have to flash the ROM in recovery, but also flash a Kernel through HBOOT?
I want to start flashing custom ROMs, but in the meantime, I'm fairly happy with rooted ICS. Got Google Now working, removed 'App Associations' menu, and removed the VZW crapware, so root is working out rather well
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Thanks, that confirms a number of suspicions. & As I understand it, I need to be S-OFF in order to flash a custom ROM, correct?
And this is due to the fact that I not only have to flash the ROM in recovery, but also flash a Kernel through HBOOT?
I want to start flashing custom ROMs, but in the meantime, I'm fairly happy with rooted ICS. Got Google Now working, removed 'App Associations' menu, and removed the VZW crapware, so root is working out rather well
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You don't need to be s-off to flash a Rom but you do need to flash the kernel separate in hboot when you're s-on. When you're s-off you don't have to. I myself usually stay fairly close to stock with a few tweaks here and there and of course Verizons crap long gone.
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One more thing... Given my software version, etc, if I S-OFF now, would I bork my device?
Also, it looks like at the unlimited.io site, there is only a Windows version of juopunutbear for Gingerbread, and early ICS versions. My phone's software is on version is 3.14.605.12; does this mean I should abandon attempting to S-OFF ?
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One more thing... Given my software version, etc, if I S-OFF now, would I bork my device?
Also, it looks like at the unlimited.io site, there is only a Windows version of juopunutbear for Gingerbread, and early ICS versions. My phone's software is on version is 3.14.605.12; does this mean I should abandon attempting to S-OFF ?
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No you'll be fine doing it on your current version. You can use the file from the unlimited.io site for the 3.14.605.05 ics leak it works with the official ics update.
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i know clockwork will bork your device im not sure if the touch version does the same thing.
I recommend installing Amon Ra recovery or TWRP.
If i helped thanks me
So I've been really out of touch with rooting, and all the h4x with phones lately. I bought my Evo3D on release day, and whatever was the first permanent root option that was there I did. I don't remember what I used to get root. It's been a while. I've never changed anything other than the ROM a few times. Never flashed a kernel. I was running Fresh Evo3D for a while, and recently switched to MeanROM ICS. Started with 2.3. Looking to flash 2.6. I'm really looking to take advantage of some other kernels out there, mainly for overclocking purposes.
It's a hard subject to search for... any search term with hboot in it is threads full of people who already know what they're talking about.
So if it's not too much to ask, can somebody point me in the right direction so I at least understand what hboot is, what it means to be "on" or "off" and how it affects whether I can flash kernels? If there's a wiki or something out there that I can read up on that'd be great.
From what I can gather from this thread on MeanROM ICS 2.6 is in order to flash the 2.89 kernel, I need to upgrade hboot to 1.58 s-off...... ooookkkkk...
I'm trying not to come off as an "uber newb" I don't mind reading to find the answer... I just have no clue where to look. Every thread I've found, like I've said before, is people referencing hboot as if you already know what it is.
Here's some pics attached below of current phone's configuration if that makes any difference:
Thank you in advance for any assistance, and please try and keep the flaming to a minimum
You are s-off which means you can flash everything you need to in recovery. Since you've flashed a custom ROM before, I assume you can do that.
What I did:
0. You may want to change recoveries to 4ext (see my signature on the web version of XDA). Thus is newer and runs better in my opinion. Just install the app and run it.
1. Boot into recovery and do a nandroid backup of your current setup.
2. Install MeanRom 2.6: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1645211
(I installed this first so that there Rom I am on will be made for the new firmware)
3. Install the firmware update without the new hboot: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673377
(Note, you only need the new hboot 1.58 if you plan to use the new stock HTC kernel. Otherwise, do like I did and stay with hboot 1.4 as it is compatible with more Roms)
4. Install whichever custom Rom you want.
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I tried looking around, but a lot of the posts were from mid/late 2011 about this.
Currently my EVO 3D is still on stock Gingerbread.
I tried to lookup a stock ICS rom, but almost all of them are custom roms based on the stock rom. Basically, ATM all I want to do is upgrade to a rooted version of the sprint ICS rom, not install a completely custom rom. Also, I have heard that with the official rom you can upgrade without losing any information. Is it possible to do that with ANY of the custom roms or would they all require me to backup my data because it will have to reformat my phone? ATM I am not looking for a custom rom and really, just want to be able to upgrade to the stock ICS while still having root purely so I can delete all those annoying preinstalled apps.
Will backing up data from a gingerbread rom and then restoring it to a ICS rom cause any problems?
And I have no idea how to go about doing it, I know I should at first use the temp root just to backup my information.... but I am lost on the whole S-OFF and flashing from past that point thing.
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I tried looking around, but a lot of the posts were from mid/late 2011 about this.
Currently my EVO 3D is still on stock Gingerbread.
I tried to lookup a stock ICS rom, but almost all of them are custom roms based on the stock rom. Basically, ATM all I want to do is upgrade to a rooted version of the sprint ICS rom, not install a completely custom rom. Also, I have heard that with the official rom you can upgrade without losing any information. Is it possible to do that with ANY of the custom roms or would they all require me to backup my data because it will have to reformat my phone? ATM I am not looking for a custom rom and really, just want to be able to upgrade to the stock ICS while still having root purely so I can delete all those annoying preinstalled apps.
Will backing up data from a gingerbread rom and then restoring it to a ICS rom cause any problems?
And I have no idea how to go about doing it, I know I should at first use the temp root just to backup my information.... but I am lost on the whole S-OFF and flashing from past that point thing.
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Virus has a thread with the stock rooted rom in the development form. As for restoring apps, you shouldn't have a problem, if you do clear caches and reboot
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Thanks for the help
I'm guessing thats this one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808150
So, he mentioned I won't loose root if I am dev unlocked? What about if I use a 3rd party unlock method? I remember reading that HTC's unlock method still leaves some aspects unlocked while the 3rd party methods can fully unlock the device.
And can anyone help me with the other questions I asked?
Thanks
Cyber Akuma said:
Thanks for the help
I'm guessing thats this one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808150
So, he mentioned I won't loose root if I am dev unlocked? What about if I use a 3rd party unlock method? I remember reading that HTC's unlock method still leaves some aspects unlocked while the 3rd party methods can fully unlock the device.
And can anyone help me with the other questions I asked?
Thanks
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The HTC method will leave you with unlocked, s-on. That is what some folks seem to to refer to as the partially still locked issue.
I would just use the HTC method, and then use the wire trick method to get s-off. Then you are unlocked and have control of what ever you want to do.
When it comes to the roms, you need to do a little research and make sure you have compatible components. If you upgrade to the latest H-boot, then certain roms will no longer run. Personally I am running the cool rom as of last night, but have been on mean rom for the last couple of weeks. I have been using the "other kernel" with hboot 1.58 and things have been pretty good.
The meanrom 2.6 is a good choice for you in my opinion as it will give you root access with as close to stock as you can get. It has the kernel and new hboot instructions in it also so I would consider it a good fit for what you are looking for. I do not believe you can overclock the kernel it comes with, but you did not request that.
As to backing up your data. Everyone will have their preferred program or method. I have purchased the rom tool box pro edition from market, I use it to back up apps and data. Regardless of what you use, be careful when restoring the backups. I restore data like wifi, messages, contacts. I do not restore the system data, especially if I am changing between roms as it is much easier to type in a little data than to figure out why the thing is unstable.
It just takes a bit of research, but all the information you need is available.
Have a good weekend.
sonza said:
The HTC method will leave you with unlocked, s-on. That is what some folks seem to to refer to as the partially still locked issue.
I would just use the HTC method, and then use the wire trick method to get s-off. Then you are unlocked and have control of what ever you want to do.
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But dosen't the HTC method force me to reformat my memory, thus requiring me to do the temporary root so I can run titanium backup before doing it?
On a related note, I am not sure just how I would restore my apps actually. I mean, the first thing my phone would ask me to do is to sign into my Gmail account, and when I do that, it will automatically attempt to re-download all of my apps wouldn't it? (And fail spectacularly since I don't have enough space, nearly all of my apps are on my SD card and my internal memory is still full, lousy preinstalled bloatware that you cannot remove...)
sonza said:
When it comes to the roms, you need to do a little research and make sure you have compatible components. If you upgrade to the latest H-boot, then certain roms will no longer run. Personally I am running the cool rom as of last night, but have been on mean rom for the last couple of weeks. I have been using the "other kernel" with hboot 1.58 and things have been pretty good.
It just takes a bit of research, but all the information you need is available.
Have a good weekend.
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Like I said, I just want a rooted stock rom for now, not a custom rom.
Cyber Akuma (is that a reference to "D.Gray.Man?)
Shameless self promoting here but, for some background info have a look at:
[Guide]My Hboot 1.5x HTC Unlock/recovery/rom/kernel flashing notes
Evo3d(CDMA)HBoot/S-off Differences & Rooting Background Info
I've been using MeanRom ICS since it came out. Very solid, very similar to stock, smooth, reliable, fast, but all the extras. S-Off is strongly recommended b/c HTC Unlocked (S-on) users are hit or miss on being able to install ICS Roms. If you are still on Hboot 1.50 you can get s-off by downgrading Hboot to 1.40 or the Jbear wire Trick. If you take the official ICS update Jbear is your only option at the moment.
You may be able to use EsFileExplorer to back up your user apps w/o rooting, but an option to consider is to HTC Unlock, install a recovery, flash SuperUser and have a full rooted stock (S-On) phone that you can backup with Ti Backup or the custom recovery (don't think you will lose anything in the process).
With HTC Unlock, you wont be able to update to ICS while rooted, you'd have to relock and flash the full RUU (erasing the phone) and unlock/root again.
Upgrading to ICS, you should be able to restore your user apps, but system settings/google accounts (especially GB backups) etc will cause issues so you will most likely need to just bite the bullet and plan on re-entering things the first time through. FYI, Virus's update thread only works for S-off users.
Wait, if I do S-OFF and then use an official rom, would I be stuck with S-ON again?
Cyber Akuma said:
Wait, if I do S-OFF and then use an official rom, would I be stuck with S-ON again?
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Not if it's a rooted version of the rom found in the Dev section.
Cyber Akuma said:
Wait, if I do S-OFF and then use an official rom, would I be stuck with S-ON again?
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Once s-Off, always s-Off. (unless u send the command via fastboot)
S-Off trumps unlocked bootloader (htc unlocked)
Running a full stock Ruu will not reset to S-on
Sent from my "Up all night, Sleep all day" EVO3D!
But when you htc unlock yes it will format the device, so temp root, titanium backup, htc unlock, jbear, then custom recovery and finally flash stock rooted....
Good luck its all not too complicated. Just allot of steps
J.eremy said:
But when you htc unlock yes it will format the device, so temp root, titanium backup, htc unlock, jbear, then custom recovery and finally flash stock rooted....
Good luck its all not too complicated. Just allot of steps
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A word of warning about temp rooting: it caused my phone to bootloop so I personally was unable to save my data. Hopefully you'll have better luck.
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First, a big big thanks to Virus!! My phone info:
Sprint EVO3D CDMA
SHOOTER XC SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.40.0000
RADIO-1.06.00.1216
eMMC-boot
Jun 8 2011, 17:20:22
TWRP v1.1.1
I previously flashed Freeza's v2.17.651.5 firmware and then the Stock ROM + root Shooter_S_Sprint_WWE_2.17.651.5_odex.zip which I'm currently running.
I've read this entire post OTA_Shooter_ICS_35_S_Sprint_WWE_2.89.651.2-2.17.651.5 along with mpgrimm2's post Evo3d(CDMA)HBoot/S-off Differences & Rooting Background Info 8-20-12 and just want to ask before I "leap"! My steps as far as I see it:
1. Run my backups (Titanium, etc) and create a TWRP nandroid.
2. Flash the Stock 2.89.651.2-2.17.651.5 firmware
3. Install the superwipe zip (presumably install zip via TWRP recovery?)
4. Flash the Stock Rooted 2.89.651.2-2.17.651.5 ROM
5. If necessary, flash the BT fix.
At this point I should be up and running the DEODEX'd version of the Stock ICS ROM as if I'd done the ICS OTA. Question here is whether I'll hit compatibility problems with any apps I have installed? I know hard to say w/o knowing what all I've got installed, but if problems I figure just uninstall the app and find something compatible... Any other problems I could expect or should look for?
If for some reason I wanted to go back to my current GB ROM nandroid before the ICS update, I can just reflash hboot 1.40 and restore the nandroid made in my step 1? Do I need to worry about reflashing any other 2.17 firmware? It sounds like I can just restore my nandroid on hboot 1.58 but thinking I'd rather be back at hboot 1.40.
I too have run into the "remote: not allowed" error when using fastboot to flash images. From mpgrimm2's post, it's looks to be because my radio is s-off while my stock hboot 1.40 is technically not s-off? To have a fully functional fastboot via pc, I'd need to flash JBear hboot 1.40 (for GB) or JBear hboot 1.58.5858 (for ICS) from Ramjet's Pick your bootloader!, right? Seeing that I'm ok with flashing by booting into recovery, is there any other advantages (or disadvantages) to using the JBear hboots?
Sorry for the long post, but wanted to be complete... All help is greatly appreciated!
It looks like you have it right. To clarify one point, you don't need to downgrade firmware to run GB (I don't think that's even possible). Just the hboot.
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coal686 said:
It looks like you have it right. To clarify one point, you don't need to downgrade firmware to run GB (I don't think that's even possible). Just the hboot.
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Thanks for the confirmation on my steps and being able to revert if I want to...I figured I would want to keep some of the updated firmware but wasn't sure what all could/should keep.
Although like the idea of being able to use fastboot fully, thinking best to just stick with the stock hboot for now...
Again thanks and if anyone has any other thoughts, they're always welcome!
I delayed doing the ICS update using the steps above, have read through the new pages/posts on the http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808150 post, and now have a few last questions before I jump in! Sorry if seem obvious, but have done the reading but now a bit confused or need clarification. I could just do it and recover if necessary, but rather ask up front.
If reading right, doing the Superwipe in step 2 will format both my phone and sdcard, cleaning out and recreating the partitions. Does this mean I'll have to use my TB Pro backups to restore all my personal apps & data? And if so, will I encounter any issues restoring such thing as my call log (or just restore the data and I'll be ok)? Reading up on Superwipe gets me thinking it deletes everything when I thought flashing this would be like an OTA update and keep my current apps, etc. Sorry again it's been awhile since flashing the stock 2.18.651.5 rooted ROM and just not remembering!
Also part way through the threads, there's mention of needing to first flash a ROM that will boot on 1.58 hboot or will get boot looping. I figure if my 2.18.651.5 GB rooted ROM won't boot after step 1, I'd just have to remove the firmware P86IMG file from the sdcard to proceed to step 2. The OP doesn't mention this - or is this a different situation than mine?
Lastly, on P.59, mpgrimm2 recommends flashing the full stock RUU to clean out all bits & pieces that might be left (I'm figuring it's the RUU_Shooter_ICS_35_S_Sprint_WWE_2.89.651.2_Radio_1.09.00.0706__NV_NV_SPCS_1.43_release_271101_signed.exe) and reinstalling a custom recovery to have the stock rooted ICS. Is this a special case for one person or an alternative to the 3 step method? And it would mean I'd be reinstalling all apps and restoring all my data afterwards, right? Should I even consider this route if the three steps do an upgrade and keep my apps/data?
Thanks and sorry again for so many questions - just getting a headache keeping all straight and sorting through what's special case scenarios...oh and one last, is this Sense 3.5 or 3.6 - the OTA on HTC's site is listed as 3.6, right?
That's correct sir. It is 3.6
I have two HTC Amaze 4G, the one I have been using as my main phone still has the stock ROM Gingerbread 2.3.4 installed, my second Amaze (which is my backup phone that I bought for a great price on Craigslist) is running stock ICS that was already installed on it when I bought it. Both phones are rooted, have 4EXT recoveries installed and are carrier unlocked but still S-ON (I don't want to risk bricking these). I like the stock ROMs, that is why I have never bothered to install any custom ROMs on these awesome phones.
Lately I have been having problems with "insufficient storage" error messages when I try to update apps on my main GB Amaze. I uninstalled most of my apps already but I still have only about 320 MB of free space on the ROM. I like ICS better than GB but since my phone is rooted, I can't do the OTA upgrade to ICS. I created a backup of the ICS OS on my secondary phone with 4EXT which is saved on the external microSD card.
Now, my question is this: If I put the microSD card from my secondary ICS Amaze into my main GB Amaze, could I just restore the ICS backup on the GB phone through 4EXT and it would work or do I have to take additional steps? I have all my data backed up such as apps, contacts, SMS's etc., so starting with a "clean slate" isn't a problem
I read a couple of posts about having to relock the bootloader, then installing the T-Mobile RUU to go back to stock. Since I already have an ICS backup, I might be able to avoid having to go through all those steps. Could someone please help me and point me in the right direction?
Thank you so much in advance for all your help !! HAPPY THANKSGIVING !!
PCLiteratesJax said:
I have two HTC Amaze 4G, the one I have been using as my main phone still has the stock ROM Gingerbread 2.3.4 installed, my second Amaze (which is my backup phone that I bought for a great price on Craigslist) is running stock ICS that was already installed on it when I bought it. Both phones are rooted, have 4EXT recoveries installed and are carrier unlocked but still S-ON (I don't want to risk bricking these). I like the stock ROMs, that is why I have never bothered to install any custom ROMs on these awesome phones.
Lately I have been having problems with "insufficient storage" error messages when I try to update apps on my main GB Amaze. I uninstalled most of my apps already but I still have only about 320 MB of free space on the ROM. I like ICS better than GB but since my phone is rooted, I can't do the OTA upgrade to ICS. I created a backup of the ICS OS on my secondary phone with 4EXT which is saved on the external microSD card.
Now, my question is this: If I put the microSD card from my secondary ICS Amaze into my main GB Amaze, could I just restore the ICS backup on the GB phone through 4EXT and it would work or do I have to take additional steps? I have all my data backed up such as apps, contacts, SMS's etc., so starting with a "clean slate" isn't a problem
I read a couple of posts about having to relock the bootloader, then installing the T-Mobile RUU to go back to stock. Since I already have an ICS backup, I might be able to avoid having to go through all those steps. Could someone please help me and point me in the right direction?
Thank you so much in advance for all your help !! HAPPY THANKSGIVING !!
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It's not as simple as restoring a backup. The ruu will modify certain files in the phone that are required for ics. You could take the long way and find out which files you need to modify, or take the shorter route - flash the ics ruu. It's not that hard. Just follow the directions and you'll be fine.
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Keylogger_0 said:
It's not as simple as restoring a backup. The ruu will modify certain files in the phone that are required for ics. You could take the long way and find out which files you need to modify, or take the shorter route - flash the ics ruu. It's not that hard. Just follow the directions and you'll be fine.
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I just found this on a site and I believe that there is a step missing, re-locking bootloader in Hasoon's all in one tool, correct?
Do not flash this like a ROM.
To use this you have to....
1. Download it.
2. Rename it PH85IMG
3. Put it on your ext-sdcard
4. Reboot to your bootloader
5. Your phone will apply the RUU.
and you'll be back to factory stock settings.
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I just found this on a site and I believe that there is a step missing, re-locking bootloader in Hasoon's all in one tool, correct?
Do not flash this like a ROM.
To use this you have to....
1. Download it.
2. Rename it PH85IMG
3. Put it on your ext-sdcard
4. Reboot to your bootloader
5. Your phone will apply the RUU.
and you'll be back to factory stock settings.
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Yes, you have to re-lock the bootloader.
since i've discovered custom rom's id never think of using stock ever again, and i just s-offed my amaze last night, there's nothing really too it you just have to follow directions properly... and no you would not be able to restore a backup of one phone to another, i have tried and they were alot of complications afterwards with things not working properly and ton's of force close error's even after fixing permissions