Bad bad news for Verizon and Motorola , though not unexpected knowing both of their desire to screw the customer.
"Motorola has installed a “root checker” on its Verizon devices that run Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0), including the Droid RAZR, RAZR MAXX, and Droid 4. Apparently it will also be built in to the ICS OTA for the Droid Bionic once it rolls out."
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Motorola-installing-root-checker-on-Verizon-ICS-devices_id33754
That means if you ever root, you have forever broken your warranty...
This is both understandable and annoying. Mainly depending on what they are using it for. If they are in fact using it to say "You are rooted so your warranty is gone" then yeah, thats stupid. Even if your warranty is void by rooting, it should still cover physical damage IMO. I agree that they shouldnt have to replace someones device if they rooted and flashed stuff to their phone, messing it up in the process and expect to get a new phone. I dont know. I understand it. There are a lot of people who flash stuff that shouldnt be. I agree that we should be able to do what we want with the devices we buy which is why I hate locked down devices. But I dont believe in manufacturers/carriers having to replace something we messed up ourselves. At least they are making future devices unlockable.
I am pretty sure they have this on the samsung s3 as well. There's already a way around it and ways to block it.
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@jsgraphicart that's a great point, they should respect the intelligence if the owners. My guess is that this will come along with the unlock able bootloader on future devices. This is the "catch". Another question I have is if they or a carrier are going to sell a refurbished device that has been rooted once are they going to reset it or undo it? That could open up a whole new list of discussions such as would the refurbished device still be under some kind of restriction or scrutiny of being replaced/serviced? If this could be reversed by moto/vzw it could probably also be hacked.
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IF Verizon were going to give you the benefit of the doubt they wouldn't bother to install this stuff in the first place, Did you read the article? They already have in your agreement the right to refuse you warranty service and other services if your modify your equipment, this just gives them a legal way to nail you.
Verizon has their sights set on locking down your phone so they control all the extras and media and tethering etc. So they can charge you an extra $10 for ever little feature that you currently love for free. Count on it. AT&T is already using access to Facetime as a pry bar to force existing customers onto the shared data plans and off the unlimited plans.
Expect Verizon to follow this scheme. It's in line with their predatory business practices of getting you hooked on a service then locking it and charging extra to get it back.
Yeah maybe hackers will find a way to render it harmless, but our freakin bootloader is still locked , so maybe not.
I think this is no big deal, so long as they don't refuse cell service to people with rooted devices (I think that would be illegal). We all know our warranty is technically void when we root. Who knows, perhaps this will finally allow Verizon to unlock motor devices as now they have a way of denying technical support to those who have rooted their phone, which is supposedly why they don't want unlocked boot loaders in the first place.
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If verizon wants to limit rooting they need to get their crap together and role out updates in a timely manner. Once they have the code from the manufacturer they should be able to push it within weeks..... Not 6 months later. I have a galaxy s3 and I am not waiting 6 months for those idiots to release jelly bean.
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I would be totally cool with this, BUT whats the point of still locking down the bootloader. Removing the warranty pretty much voids any reason (legitish reason, they make up) they have left for locking down our phones. I'm starting to think they're all just a bunch of masochists, why else would they spend so much time and effort just to take away the only option we have of fully enjoying our hardware, which is the ability to do the more important development they should be spending time on. It's to watch us squirm as we as we struggle to get past such pointless roadblocks, and get their jollys from it.
Without Rant, basically I think it's fine its the way to go, and a way for them to say well OK you can root and unlock your bootloader, but no more warranty for you, you're on your own. Really make it up to us, make it OUR decision.
With so many awesome devs out there, I think that you should be able to by a unlocked device with nothing on it if u want......let us decide what version of Andy and what kernels we want to use ! Sell it with warranty only for manufacturing issues.
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I think this is no big deal, so long as they don't refuse cell service to people with rooted devices (I think that would be illegal). We all know our warranty is technically void when we root. Who knows, perhaps this will finally allow Verizon to unlock motor devices as now they have a way of denying technical support to those who have rooted their phone, which is supposedly why they don't want unlocked boot loaders in the first place.
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In my opinion, the writing is on the wall and the cell carriers are going in the opposite direction. More locking, tighter control, why? Because they want to charge more and that has always been the method.. Take a full featured phone and cripple key features so they can charge extra for each piece. Verizon and AT&T have always been the worst offenders in this bait and switch scheme.
Lol developers will have this licked in a week (if it takes them that long.)
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Lol developers will have this licked in a week (if it takes them that long.)
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Probably not. Look at some of the phones already out on the market. My Samsung Stratosphere had one. There was/is no way to reset it and no USB jig meaning we were hit. Doesn't matter if you went to stock or not. You could always tell it had been rooted and had flashed custom firmware on it. NO workarounds. The way Motorola and Verizon conduct their business I seriously wouldn't be surprised if that whole root checker is completely locked down. I guess only time will tell however.
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Another way for them to make more money.
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Well......let me tell ya.......if I was in charge of Google/Motorola, once I had the Super Fiber network dominating the U.S., I would get out from underneath the grips of the cell companies and sell their devices to work only across their own network....imagine....a true wireless device in your hand that would operate on a 3-500 Meg connection that's kicked through a 1gig a sec server......unlimited everything for $70 a month, including the connection at your home.... :thumbup:
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With so many awesome devs out there, I think that you should be able to by a unlocked device with nothing on it if u want......let us decide what version of Andy and what kernels we want to use ! Sell it with warranty only for manufacturing issues.
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This is how out should be and is how it is elsewhere i believe I've read. You don't get warranties for software f stuff if you rooted of course, but if the screen starts lifting up on it, how is that software? That should still be under warranty, but vzw says I'd toy rooted, screen lift is YOUR problem. Stupid....
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Just another reason why i wont buy another moto device and if it comes down to it, i wont be a verizon customer anymore either. I will be straight talk all the way.
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I'm returning my Atrix and I was wondering how I keep the apps I bought from the Market? Do I have to back them up with Titanium or will the market remember that I bought the apps and just let me reinstall them on a different phone as long as I sign in to the market as the same user?
Market will remember as long as you use the same credentials to set up your new phone.
Appbrain.com is the computer version of the Android Market. You can sync your device to the website and vise versa. You can backup and save the apps that you have downloaded and bought and then quickly download them again.
https://market.android.com/ is the computer version of the market, appbrain.com is a 3rd party site.
Excellent, thank you all. Atrix goes back tonight.
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I am curious, why are you sending the atrix back? What are you getting to replace it?
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I am curious, why are you sending the atrix back? What are you getting to replace it?
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Returning it because the bootloader is locked with no crack in sight, and at&t screwed us on hsupa. Motorola's new update removes root and devs are leaving the Atrix so that should throw red flags up. I don't want to be stuck with this locked Atrix for 2 years and only get updates when motorola gets around to it and then having to hope I can root after every little update. I'm not happy with them locking me out of it so I'm not supporting motorola. Botched recalled updates etc. I'm getting the inspire 4G to replace it and I will be able to Tinker with roms all I want! Hardware wise I love the Atrix. I'll miss tegra games and the high res screen but that's it. Moto and at&t crippled it. Sad. Such Huge potential.
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Unfortunately, I am returning my Atrix tonight as well - day 27 of purchase. This is my first Android phone but I feel like I'm missing out on some of the best aspects of the XDA community and features of Android, in general. I like the Atrix, but not enough to keep it for two years on contract with most likely very meager updating by Motorola in the future. I also have some gripes about the hardware.
I consider this my introductory Android experience and absolutely love the OS. I love it so much, that I want to be able to experience more of it!
I agree with everything you said, except for the Inspire. Since I sold my iPhone 4 (for a nice profit!), I will be using an old school Razr until something of interest comes along. The Inspire does not seem to warrant the use of my upgrade eligibility.
Also debating jumping ship altogether from AT&T. This whole HSPA thing, while not a deal breaker, certainly left a very bitter taste in my mouth. I have recently found AT&T store reps to be uninformed and fairly rude, especially on the phone. I have been a loyal customer since 2000.
I hope that the current locking trend we've seen from HTC and Motorola is not a sure sign of the future of Android. One of the main reasons I left my iPhone behind was because I enjoy tinkering with my phone a lot, and the Android OS is so well suited for it!
It seems like developer support is a key factor in ensuring the longevity of a device, far after the hardware company has moved on. I don't like to buy phones continuously off contract and I would like to ensure that my phone stays developmentally relevant for the duration off my contract.
This may not be the proper forum for this response, but I just felt the need to vent and am interested in hearing what you guys have to say. Not trying to bad-mouth the Atrix for those who like it, it's just not quite the Android experience I hoped for.
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Unfortunately, I am returning my Atrix tonight as well - day 27 of purchase. This is my first Android phone but I feel like I'm missing out on some of the best aspects of the XDA community and features of Android, in general. I like the Atrix, but not enough to keep it for two years on contract with most likely very meager updating by Motorola in the future. I also have some gripes about the hardware.
I consider this my introductory Android experience and absolutely love the OS. I love it so much, that I want to be able to experience more of it!
I agree with everything you said, except for the Inspire. Since I sold my iPhone 4 (for a nice profit!), I will be using an old school Razr until something of interest comes along. The Inspire does not seem to warrant the use of my upgrade eligibility.
Also debating jumping ship altogether from AT&T. This whole HSPA thing, while not a deal breaker, certainly left a very bitter taste in my mouth. I have recently found AT&T store reps to be uninformed and fairly rude, especially on the phone. I have been a loyal customer since 2000.
I hope that the current locking trend we've seen from HTC and Motorola is not a sure sign of the future of Android. One of the main reasons I left my iPhone behind was because I enjoy tinkering with my phone a lot, and the Android OS is so well suited for it!
It seems like developer support is a key factor in ensuring the longevity of a device, far after the hardware company has moved on. I don't like to buy phones continuously off contract and I would like to ensure that my phone stays developmentally relevant for the duration off my contract.
This may not be the proper forum for this response, but I just felt the need to vent and am interested in hearing what you guys have to say. Not trying to bad-mouth the Atrix for those who like it, it's just not quite the Android experience I hoped for.
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You know, as we veer rapidly off topic, I have to say that while I've been disheartened by the shackles put onto this "open" OS of Android by Motorola and while I too am waiting with baited breath for someone to hack open the bootloader, not a day goes by that I'm not happy I switched away from the iPhone to move to an Atrix. While I agree that while the "4G" is still nowhere to be seen and that the locked bootloader is a pain, this is still twice the device my iPhone 4 ever was, especially as the Android OS doesn't treat all its users like they're half brain-dead and completely lacking any technical knowledge. I'm happy to say I'll be keeping my Atrix.
I'm unsure if I'm keeping my Atrix. I'm still within the 30 days - I love the phone, but some of the things I tend to do are things I can not do without access to the bootloader.
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You know, as we veer rapidly off topic, I have to say that while I've been disheartened by the shackles put onto this "open" OS of Android by Motorola and while I too am waiting with baited breath for someone to hack open the bootloader, not a day goes by that I'm not happy I switched away from the iPhone to move to an Atrix. While I agree that while the "4G" is still nowhere to be seen and that the locked bootloader is a pain, this is still twice the device my iPhone 4 ever was, especially as the Android OS doesn't treat all its users like they're half brain-dead and completely lacking any technical knowledge. I'm happy to say I'll be keeping my Atrix.
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I concur!!!
People are saying that kholk is working on unlocking the bootloader. Last I heard of Da_G, he was working on it too.
Something you guys might find interesting is the white nexus s that has access to the AT&T 3G bands.
Anyways, on topic: Backup your apps using TiBu to your external sd-card. Then plop the new card into your phone, and restore.
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People are saying that kholk is working on unlocking the bootloader. Last I heard of Da_G, he was working on it too.
Something you guys might find interesting is the white nexus s that has access to the AT&T 3G bands.
Anyways, on topic: Backup your apps using TiBu to your external sd-card. Then plop the new card into your phone, and restore.
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what exactly can we do from unlocking the bootloader
read above a 5th grade level for one (some can do this without an unlocked bootloader)
Hello all, I'm currently using a Nexus One on T-Mo but am probably going to jump back to Sprint here soon. I had been looking to get the Evo3D, but fear that it's going to be locked down as the Thuderbolt was. I understand you guy were able to gain root on the Thunderbolt recently, but only because you got an engineering something or other, I don't remember exactly. My question here is, what would the chances have been of the phone being rooted the normal brute force way. Would we have been looking at possibly months or more, or was it just a matter of days. I ask cause if the Evo3D is going to be locked down and may take months or more to crack, I may just go with the Nexus S for now.
Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
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Mine sure does. A thousand times better than my Facinate did.
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I was just referring to the first "Galaxy" set that came out. The S 4G, S II, and their releases this year have been stellar. But neither of those are on VZW . I would snatch up the SII in a second if it was on VZW.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I hear you. Some company will eventually embrace modders and devs, I just wanted it to be HTC. Oh well, sad day
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It seems we've gone a bit off topic. I have been reading all the comments and have learned that Sammy isn't doing what HTC is starting to do with locking their bootloaders, something I didn't know before this thread, good to know. But the question I presented hasn't really been answered yet. How long, rough gestimation, would it take to crack the bootloader of the new phones HTC is coming out with. Are we talking weeks or months or more. I know this a question that can't be easily answered with a specific answer, but I'm looking more for how likely they are to be cracked in a timely manner. I'm not a hacker, cracker or code breaker so I really don't even know where to begin with trying to answer this question, hence why I put it forth here, on the forum of a phone that was locked and got unlocked hoping a dev could give me some info on weather getting the forthcoming Evo3D is a good idea for someone who want's to root the phone. I am however leaning back towards the Nexus s 4G because of this thread, but since money won't allow that at the moment, I'm exploring my options until the time I can afford a new phone.
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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I've been reading around about this (disappointing) news of HTC's lockdown using signed bootloaders, etc. and from what I have read, it seems like the crackers have indicated they are going to have a helluva time. A few tweets from jcase's twiiter page (whose opinions I personally value, YMMV):
If you want root, don't buy an yet to be rooted phone
[email protected] signed recovery, signed kernel, signed hboot, and write protection. won't buy [email protected] devices like that
HTC now MORE dev unfriendly than Motorola.
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Looks pretty dreary for new HTC phones.
Droid, which has signed bootloader, is still locked, and it's pretty long on the market. It's a matter of years, if not eternity. It's f***ing hard to crack those keys.
What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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Easy, keeps people using htc products, and makes us pay for tethering. Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using.... Sucks
Edit: or whatever manufacturer made your device
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Easy, keeps people using htc products
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How
and makes us pay for tethering.
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The carriers have already shown that they can detect unofficial tethering
Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using
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Why does it matter?
Hey I was wondering if its possible to run ubuntu or any operating system other than android on the DROID x2
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Until the bootloader gets unlocked nope... But if and when the bootloader gets unlocked then development will hit it off real hard with Ports and so on
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Until the bootloader gets unlocked nope... But if and when the bootloader gets unlocked then development will hit it off real hard with Ports and so on
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I'm beginning to think this will never happen. I've emailed Motorola about this, pretty much calling them out on the so-called announcement months ago about them unlocking the bootloader. I've asked them why it's 2012 and why nothing has happened and no announcements have been made, and all I get back is that they care about ensuring the customers are protected from ruining their phones.
I replied back asking why haven't they sent out an updated statement as to why no bootloaders have been unlocked when they stated they would unlock them, and I haven't heard back from them yet on that one.
So, I think they pretty much reneged on that statement, so don't expect this to happen. The only way it can now (no one will be able to crack the key needed to decrypt the bootloader and kernel) is for some Moto developer to release an unlocked ROM image. That's how it happened on the Motorola Atrix, but it was an accident that the image was leaked and a developer found it by accident. The Cheesecake project has been watching all the updates that have been placed on an internal Motorola server, but lately, nothing new has come up, so it definitely appears that X2 internal development within Motorola has possibly come to a stop.
So, we are at the mercy of Motorola. I don't buy their explanation that it's Verizon because HTC was able to unlock their phones that are on Verizon, so the ball is back in Motorola's court.
Also, if you DO email Motorola about this, do NOT be nasty about it. You need to be civil but to the point. In my first email, I stated that the Droid X2 was my final Motorola device. In my response to their response, I thanked them for responding, but asked why they still haven't come out with a reason as to why they won't unlock the bootloaders after they announced they would. I also reiterated the fact that the X2 was my final Motorola device.
I'm hoping they change their minds, but my gut is telling me otherwise. Therefore, it's time to move on to a different device that has an unlocked bootloader. I also feel that the X2 has been orphaned by Motorola and a lot of developers because of Motorola's lack of support for this device. This makes me feel even more that ICS will not see the light of day on the X2. And the only way the developer community can put ICS on the X2 is if the bootloader and kernel are unlocked. If that doesn't happen, then ICS won't ever come to the X2.
+1.. I feel the same way. Im really hoping for the best & am really grateful for the devs we've had to help make this phone better, but it just seems that its hit its peak of potential without an unlocked bootloader. And with no unlocks in the foreseeable future from Moto, im thinking of moving on myself & making this my last Moto, plus Verizon isn't helping either with their little B.S. charges they keep trying to come up with... I know Sprints not the greatest, but they still have unlimited & the Galaxy S is getting ICS love, plus they'll be getting the Galaxy Nexus as well next month so decisions decisions lol But im grateful for all the great people in this forum & just wish Moto could get on the ball....sorry for the jabberjawwin...
I think I'd try to run winmo on this device if I could, I always wanted an HD2.
Android is just so fragmented, I still haven't found a way to get calendar notifcations to work properly.
You can run Ubuntu and BackTrack as an app. They are purchasable from the marketplace. It requires a few other installs, but it should do what you want.
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So I know there are already some pretty talented devs working on the prime. My quotation is... Is anyone working on unlocking the bootloader? Just curious.
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I doubt anyone is working on it. Asus has already said they will unlock it. It would be nice if a dev could figure it out so we didn't have to possibly void our warranty, but hacking an encrypted bootloader is not easy without a leak from Asus or direct help from them.
Yep we need a leak, bc 128 bit encryption ain't no picnic
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No one is gonna work on the boot loader since it would take so much work to gain such little ground with the unlook tool coming at some point.
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Thought u cracked the bootloader viperboy????
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Thought u cracked the bootloader viperboy????
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On a serious note... Can't wait... My prime should be here next week. Can't wait until we get an unlock and have ViperROM on this beast! I'm about to switch back to it on my 3D!
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What we should do is start asking Asus when are they going to unlock it for us. They claimed once ICS dropped we would get access. I have wrote on there FB and twitter profiles and asked when are we going to get it unlocked. I think we need to ban together again and spam the crap out of them to get what they said they were going to give us.
We have bigger fish to fry, let them get this thing working correctly first, we have root, just have to wait a little bit. I read on here somewhere about a February release time frame..........
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What we should do is start asking Asus when are they going to unlock it for us. They claimed once ICS dropped we would get access. I have wrote on there FB and twitter profiles and asked when are we going to get it unlocked. I think we need to ban together again and spam the crap out of them to get what they said they were going to give us.
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Because asus really needs another thing to be bothered with right now, when their current flagship tab is experiencing many quality control issues.
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Because asus really needs another thing to be bothered with right now, when their current flagship tab is experiencing many quality control issues.
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I agree. As much as I'd love an unlock tool now, I'd say we should all wait until most of the problems settle down a bit before we go spamming them about it.
Yeah, but we could have the developers here working for us as well. A lot of them could do better jobs than most companies to fix the problems. Having asus working on one end and developers here, we could accomplish so much. Once the bootloader is unlocks it will still take some time for the developers to do there thing. So the earlier they have access, the better IMO
Sorry to revive a dead thread but I didn't want to make a new one.
Why wouldn't devs want to unlock it? That way we don't have to void our warranty. Also, how do we know it will be a complete "unlock"? If you have looked at HTC's unlock tool, you'll know what I mean. If you use HTC's unlock tool, it makes it a ***** to flash kernels, cant be done through recovery, and they cannot flash radios with their unlock tool. How do we know that asus won't pull the same ****. This is just my opinion though. I'm not a dev by any means.
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I'm sure the devs would love to just be able to unlock it but the encryption they use is so good you basically need Gary Key or someone from Asus to leak us the bootloader encryption key. Brute force methods would apparently take longer than the life of the device.
I just wonder how many devices would not have been returned if we could do a proper wipe on our own had the bootloader not been encrypted.
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Sorry to revive a dead thread but I didn't want to make a new one.
Why wouldn't devs want to unlock it? That way we don't have to void our warranty. Also, how do we know it will be a complete "unlock"? If you have looked at HTC's unlock tool, you'll know what I mean. If you use HTC's unlock tool, it makes it a ***** to flash kernels, cant be done through recovery, and they cannot flash radios with their unlock tool. How do we know that asus won't pull the same ****. This is just my opinion though. I'm not a dev by any means.
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I flash kernels every couple of days with my HTC unlocked method Evo 3D. The only thing that sucks is that I have to be at a PC to use the fastboot method to get into recovery. There is also an app that you can use to flash a kernel. I haven't tried it yet, but I heard it works great. I haven't tired flashing a radio yet though so I can't comment on that. If it was just a locked bootloader that would be one thing, but they (ASUS) put a 128bit encryption on the bootloader as well. It would take a long time for them to break it. Maybe with the unlock tool, someone could see how they use it and find out how to break it with out using the tool by ASUS. But we won't know until the tool is out and available to the public. I am hoping once it's available, and rom's/tweaks/kernels/ect start being made, more developers will buy a TFP and join in to make this tablet into a beast!!
I think Asus unlocking the bootloader would be a brilliant move for them. They would get rid of sooooo many warranty claims. It would be the single best thing they can do to keep the TP from becoming a major financial black hole for them.
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I think Asus unlocking the bootloader would be a brilliant move for them. They would get rid of sooooo many warranty claims. It would be the single best thing they can do to keep the TP from becoming a major financial black hole for them.
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Asus like any company comes down to being a business and businesses want money not to please every customer corporations are greedy and that's the facts
But don't you see ? If they allow you to unlock your bootloader, the moment you do that you are waiving away your rights to warranty. So one less warranty claim to worry about. One less warranty expense going against what must already be a very deep hole in their earnings.
It better be fully unlocked with an nvflash recovery! Otherwise I am returning it both of them and the dock
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Yeah, I know there has to be a lot of people who wouldn't have returned theirs if they could have simply downgraded back to Honeycomb while the issues with ICS were worked out. That along with it voiding everyone's warranties would have meant a whole lot Primes not getting returned.
Asus is in the business of making money though so apparently they make more of it by having a wifi tablet locked down while the returns roll in than they would otherwise. I can't imagine too many devices being bricked because of flashing roms but apparently ASUS has done the research that it is cheaper for them to do it this way.
It certainly isn't carrier influence, which I could see in the case of a 3G/4G device, but this is a wifi only device. No carrier to screw over here with tethering or whatever.
Okay I just sat on hold with Motorola Android Support for 45 minutes and came back with the following info that the rep got for me while on hold.
Motorola is NOT currently in talks to unlock ANY android smartphones on any carriers.
Motorola does not plan on unlocking its bootloaders any time in the future due to "security" resasons.
AFTER telling me that, he told me that Motorola is only responisble for the HARDWARE of the phone and that ALL software for it is created by Google and if we want unlocked bootloaders we need to petition GOOGLE, not Motorola... Currently calling Google.....
Google doesn't have live phone support....wtf
Emailing them I guess
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I will back you up 100% on this because I'm sick of being pushed around by Verizon and I really want to switch my carrier but ofcourse motorola has to stick it to me. Any reply from google yet?
No. The best thing I can seem to do is post a question on "google groups" / Google Mobile Help Forum....
I don't have time to sit here and write an essay, so I'll ask you guys to do it for me. Let's all come up with a well thought out, well rounded informative post for them to read. Save the questions for the conclusion.
I also think we should all post these questions, email them, just plain old flood them with a ridiculous amount of bootloader unlock requests. Let them know we want to be on the same level of development that samsung and htc owners are on. They have to give in sooner or later, don't they? We should probably also pass this info around to other motorola forums and get them in on the fun. A small group of users from one specific model probably won't convince them to budge
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No. The best thing I can seem to do is post a question on "google groups" / Google Mobile Help Forum....
I don't have time to sit here and write an essay, so I'll ask you guys to do it for me. Let's all come up with a well thought out, well rounded informative post for them to read. Save the questions for the conclusion.
I also think we should all post these questions, email them, just plain old flood them with a ridiculous amount of bootloader unlock requests. Let them know we want to be on the same level of development that samsung and htc owners are on. They have to give in sooner or later, don't they? We should probably also pass this info around to other motorola forums and get them in on the fun. A small group of users from one specific model probably won't convince them to budge
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the bootloader is part of the hardware, so petitioning google isnt going to do anything, you guys need to keep up with moto-rizon, not google
Call Moto then. The rep told me they had nothing do with unlocking them. I asked him specifically to repeat himself after he told me Motorola "couldn't unlock bootloaders if they wanted to"
I told him it was the coding of the phones partitions that were made by Motorola. He told me I was mistaken and Google would have to unlock the bootloader. It's up to Google, not Motorola. He made that more than clear. I'll try calling back later & record the call for you to hear.
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Call Moto then. The rep told me they had nothing do with unlocking them. I asked him specifically to repeat himself after he told me Motorola "couldn't unlock bootloaders if they wanted to"
I told him it was the coding of the phones partitions that were made by Motorola. He told me I was mistaken and Google would have to unlock the bootloader. It's up to Google, not Motorola. He made that more than clear. I'll try calling back later & record the call for you to hear.
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google is all for unlocked bootloaders & development from 3rd party, so imho moto is feeding you bull****, bro
No need to get that way, thanks.
Respectfully, how do you know that? What are your sources? I'd like to be informed as possible on the subject, so please, enlighten me.
Edit: Motorola was recently acquired by Google, so... wouldn't they have a say? At the very least...
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No need to get that way, thanks.
Respectfully, how do you know that? What are your sources? I'd like to be informed as possible on the subject, so please, enlighten me.
Edit: Motorola was recently acquired by Google, so... wouldn't they have a say? At the very least...
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bro, no disrespect and sorry if I made it seem that way. Google has acquired Motorola, but they're keeping their noses out of that. they just purchased Motorola for their patents.
and sorry I don't really have any sources right now, but let me see if I can look up some after work or in the next few days.
Hopefully someone'll come in here and see that and then back me up or you, I could be totally wrong, but this is what I read from other members in this forum, also I've read it on twitter through the major android forums and such.
Google doesn't control bootloaders its that simple. Bootloader is controlled by the manufacturer and or provider. Samsung and HTC have allowed unlocked bootloaders for various devices this should disprove the moto rep. You should look outside this forum for info and should never listen to a phone jockey who gets paid to make moto look good.
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AFTER telling me that, he told me that Motorola is only responisble for the HARDWARE of the phone and that ALL software for it is created by Google and if we want unlocked bootloaders we need to petition GOOGLE, not Motorola... Currently calling Google.....
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It's great that their techs are so informed.
What actually happens is Motorola gets a copy of Android, loads it up with terrible code, then slaps it on the phone.
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Okay I just sat on hold with Motorola Android Support for 45 minutes and came back with the following info that the rep got for me while on hold.
Motorola is NOT currently in talks to unlock ANY android smartphones on any carriers.
Motorola does not plan on unlocking its bootloaders any time in the future due to "security" resasons.
AFTER telling me that, he told me that Motorola is only responisble for the HARDWARE of the phone and that ALL software for it is created by Google and if we want unlocked bootloaders we need to petition GOOGLE, not Motorola... Currently calling Google.....
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That's a bunch of bulls***. Google may continue the overall development of the Android platform, but each device-specific build is entirely the responsibility of the manufacturer. The bootloader isn't even a part of Android! All you got from that talk was Motorola trying to get you to quit bothering them. Verizon and Motorola are the two parties we need to talk to.
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That's a bunch of bulls***. Google may continue the overall development of the Android platform, but each device-specific build is entirely the responsibility of the manufacturer. The bootloader isn't even a part of Android! All you got from that talk was Motorola trying to get you to quit bothering them. Verizon and Motorola are the two parties we need to talk to.
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Seriously, why the hell are "they" putting up such a fight!!!! We are completely aware that we fully void our warranty when we do stuff like this. Just give us the damn unlock code and send it out with an agreement that we acknowledge what we are doing with our phones. They will make many many happy people and maybe even keep us as Motorola consumers. But as many others have said...this will more than likely be my LAST Motorola device.
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Seriously, why the hell are "they" putting up such a fight!!!! We are completely aware that we fully void our warranty when we do stuff like this. Just give us the damn unlock code and send it out with an agreement that we acknowledge what we are doing with our phones. They will make many many happy people and maybe even keep us as Motorola consumers. But as many others have said...this will more than likely be my LAST Motorola device.
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It's likely that it has more to do with forcing people to use the moto/verizon software. Don't listen to any of the reasons they give.
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Gross
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Moto can unlock bootloaders. Don't believe their garbage. Google has absolutely nothing to do with this. You either spoke to a misinformed employee who really shouldn't be spreading false information or they just don't want to be bothered with the bootloader thing. I've stated before in other threads that moto has a terrible business ethic, all I've heard from them are lies if you even hear from them at all. I won't be supporting their company in the future by purchasing moto products. I've had a very disappointing experience with this phone and the lack of support that moto and Verizon have given. I've had this phone for a year now and I'm still stuck with it until February. Frankly, that's depressing to think about. It's unfortunate that moto deals with their customers this way. If it weren't for the consumer buying their products their company obviously wouldn't exist. Why wouldn't they listen to customer concerns instead of acting like a two year old and ignoring every one of is. I guess what I'm getting at is that given the information we need to make a decision about whether or not this company is worth supporting or even worth the time petitioning when they won't budge for customer interest.
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Google doesnt control all the software for all devices. Theres a reason why Motorola has blur, HTC has sense and Samsung has touchwiz. Each company takes the open source software made by Google and makes it their own. Just like how all our ROMs are built. Developers take whats already made and tweak it. The only Android Software that is all Google is the phone they first release with the latest software on it, which has been the nexus series. Google doesnt control how the phones are made or how the software is developed for it. The locked bootloader is all motorola and verizons fault.
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It's great that their techs are so informed.
What actually happens is Motorola gets a copy of Android, loads it up with terrible code, then slaps it on the phone.
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RoyJ said:
No need to get that way, thanks.
Respectfully, how do you know that? What are your sources? I'd like to be informed as possible on the subject, so please, enlighten me.
Edit: Motorola was recently acquired by Google, so... wouldn't they have a say? At the very least...
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It is a blame game dude... I tried the lot Refer to one of my old threads in this section, about filing a BBB complaint against Moto. I called Verizon, and they said that they have nothing to do with the software and that it is something Motorola has to deal with. Then, I called Motorola, and they said that they have no intentions of doing any unlocking and I think they also put blame on the carrier, saying that if carrier permits, they will do so... And I believe I was answered by the Motorola Corporate Office and so what I was told must be authoritative... If not, then Moto is a ****ty AND shady company that you would rather not do business with...
And as far as I know and can tell, Google has nothing to do with anything here... It is either Motorola OR Verizon's fault. And I believe they are just making you run around like nuts... My advice (sadly) is to man up, ditch the Motorola phone as soon as you can, financially AND then flip 'em off for satisfaction (may be email customer support, or they call center and rant saying how they lost another customer) and never look behind. I AM NOT joking... This is possibly the fastest and best way you can move on to a better phone. There is no point trying to do anything with Motorola as of now...
One of the XDA members told me something that made the most sense... Moto manufactures their phones with the bootloader locked, and so no service provider will willfully ask them to remove said "protection" and so, the whole unlocking conversation never occurs and so the bootloader remains locked. Moto also obviously doesn't push for it... I don't remember the whole argument, but it made sense then. I'll update this when I find that post or recollect the argument... Bottom line, you are going to waste a lot of time, just like I did...