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so i just got off the phone with t-mobile, and i was informed that they are getting 4G in a few months. i wonder if its tRu
The g2 has data speeds as quick or quicker than what other providers refer to as 4g. I don't care what you call it though... If it's fast it's fast.
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would it make a difference? probably not in may case anyways.. i barely get 3G connections around my area..
I thought they are calling it HSPA+? You can go to t-mobile website to see if you are getting it soon. Unfortunately, they have not announced coverage for me. And the G2 is the only phone that can run HSPA+? So either way vibrant users are out of luck. I've also heard that it's not that much faster than 3G...can't remember where though.
Your TMO rep is an idiot. He said 4G because nobody has heard of HSPA+.
4G is a speed standard not a type of wireless technologe. As long as your speed reachs the stardard you can call it 4G.
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4G is a speed standard not a type of wireless technologe. As long as your speed reachs the stardard you can call it 4G.
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Not true at all.
4G = 4th generation = the 4th generation of wireless data technology....
GPRS > EDGE > 3G > 4G/LTE
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4G is a speed standard not a type of wireless technologe. As long as your speed reachs the stardard you can call it 4G.
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It's the exact opposite of what you said. 4G is a technology standard just as 3G and 2G are.
T-Mobile's HSPA+ network operates on a HSPA (3G) technology.
Where can i see if my city will get hspa+?
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It's the exact opposite of what you said. 4G is a technology standard just as 3G and 2G are.
T-Mobile's HSPA+ network operates on a HSPA (3G) technology.
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LTE, WiMax is all branded 4G but I don't think 4G it self is a technology.
HSPA+ is a new technology which is evo from HSPA (3G), but if LTE can call itself 4G why can't HSPA+?
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Where can i see if my city will get hspa+?
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Goto the T-mobile webite and click "coverage" under "Shop"
Click on "Learn more about HSPA+"
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Click on "Check to see if the new network is in your city."
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Goto the T-mobile webite and click "coverage" under "Shop"
Click on "Learn more about HSPA+"
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Click on "Check to see if the new network is in your city."
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YES!! Norfolk VA coming soon!! Now to decide on getting the G2 or waiting on the myTouch HD?? Decisions Decisions..
There are already someone hspa+ towers in our area. Some are in Norfolk and I know of one in great bridge... the great bridge tower was installed less than a year ago. Guess they installed hspa+ on it since its new. I got 5 megs down on that tower with my vibrant.
I say wait for the mytouch hd
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There are already someone hspa+ towers in our area. Some are in Norfolk and I know of one in great bridge... the great bridge tower was installed less than a year ago. Guess they installed hspa+ on it since its new. I got 5 megs down on that tower with my vibrant.
I say wait for the mytouch hd
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Yea that's what I was thinking. I'm hearing about too many problems with the G2. What Great Bridge tower you getting 5 megs out of? I live in Chesapeake and the most I've gotten was between 1.5 and 2.0 megs down in this area.
This totally fits under Vibrant Accessories wtf not to thread bash but wouldn't it be better elsewhere.
If you put [Q] in the subject of your thread do you really think it belongs in Accessories? I mean its not like it matches the sub: Q&A or anything :/
This page will tell you all about the new HSPA+ network.:
http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/
If you scroll down youll see a mini map of the US on the left and under it a link that says "Learn more about HSPA+"
when you click it you'll see the area's that have already been upgraded along with the area's that are soon going to be upgraded.
I even attached a picture of the coverage map... I don't understand why people keep talking about this like its a secret/not real....
when a company comes out with something that other companies don't have, or even just something new that other companies do have either way they promote it...
1 look at tmobile.com and most questions are answered. With that much info on this subject this thread and the 50 others about the same thing should be dead... but thats just my opinion :/
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HSPA+ is available limitedly on several phones already out the Vibrant included if you check signal under status u will sometimes see ur connected at those speeds but it will only show 3g the Touch Pro 2 / HD2 / MyTouch Slide and a few other phones will also get the limite HSPA+. The G2 is just the first to the the full HSPA+ and T-Mobile shall be calling it 4g soon.
Not true. We have hspa+ in nashville and I'm getting double the speed on my vibrant vs. 3g. I'm getting 850 kB/s. The g2 will get higher speeds but the vibrant is benefiting from the hspa towers.
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Not true. We have hspa+ in nashville and I'm getting double the speed on my vibrant vs. 3g. I'm getting 850 kB/s. The g2 will get higher speeds but the vibrant is benefiting from the hspa towers.
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Most likely the speed increase is NOT from hspa+ but from jobs done on the tower backend that increased the hard line capacity, aka internet bandwidth.
So i was reading on phandroid that Tmo is uppin their 4G speed to HSPA+ 42 and it mentioned that 3G HSPA and 4G HSPA was backwards compatible does that mean that we could possibly be getting 4G for the Vibrant?
Edit: Heres the link to the post i read, the backwards compatiblity part is right above the orangish box at the bottom
http://phandroid.com/2011/01/06/t-mobile-hspa-42-live-speed-test-video/
Basically the backwards compatibility only allows for support of the older devices (you will be able to connect to the data service with older devices). You will not get 4g speeds on a device that does not have a radio/antenna that supports 4g. The older devices may get a slight boost to their speeds as 4g does have more bandwidth, but it won't be close to true 4g speeds.
Simpler: No. The Vibrant does not have a 4g radio/antenna in it.
dam, thats not the news i wanted to hear lol... well is there any way to install a 4G antenna/radio on a vibrant or is that obserd? the only thing that i want to change on my vibrant is the speeds off of wifi, with the FFC installation this fone is a real competitor besides only supporting 3G..
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dam, thats not the news i wanted to hear lol... well is there any way to install a 4G antenna/radio on a vibrant or is that obserd? the only thing that i want to change on my vibrant is the speeds off of wifi, with the FFC installation this fone is a real competitor besides only supporting 3G..
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Short answer: No you won't be able to install a 4g radio/antenna into your phone.
Hspa+ areas are very limited. So unless you are in area near a hspa tower then it doesn't make sense to buy a phone with hspa+ capabilities.
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AgentFour20 said:
Hspa+ areas are very limited. So unless you are in area near a hspa tower then it doesn't make sense to buy a phone with hspa+ capabilities.
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Thats not entirely true. HSPA+ availability is a state by state thing and not so much a overall area. Most big cities have it already as of now in the US, however some states have small amounts of large metropolitan areas and thus come off as having limited HSPA+ availability.
Eg Texas has 4 major cities with a whole lot more than that in metropolitan areas. So in Texas, I hardly ever loose 3G+ reception. But when I visited Mo, there were a lot more small towns etc and even regular 3G reception wasn't as prevalent.
Im in california and hspa+ coverage sucks. Its in its early stage of development and it'll be a while before having an hspa+ phone is a necessity. Just my opinion. But if you are in an area of hspa+ coverage I would say go for it.
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This article really helped me understand why I'm seeing such poor LTE speeds in Chicago.
http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/132847-sprint-4g-lte-launches-promises-3g-speeds-for-its-path-to-domination
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I assume there was supposed to be a link included in your post? I'm curious, with my residence in LA, another major metro area.
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lol that article is a joke, sprint is indeed improving the backhaul on the nv/LTE towers.
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I assume there was supposed to be a link included in your post? I'm curious, with my residence in LA, another major metro area.
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I've passed thru pasadena on the 210 and nv is goin strong in that area. I was getting 3mbps 3g. It's good stuff.
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I thought this was going to another one of those great "class action lawsuit" threads.
Aw man, a service that's been available for two weeks doesn't work perfectly for me, they must be doing something wrong!
Lol. Sprints network is much faster than 6 to 8 mbs dl, it's just what they can guarantee. It's always better to underestimate the network rather than overestimate it.
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Lol. Sprints network is much faster than 6 to 8 mbs dl, it's just what they can guarantee. It's always better to underestimate the network rather than overestimate it.
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I've been using it every day and that's actaually exactly what I get: 6-8MGPS. I hope it improves of course. In fact 6-8 works fine for me, I was just doing some research on why it is so much slower than the RAZORMAx I also have-pulling down 30+ in the same spot.
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Aw man, a service that's been available for two weeks doesn't work perfectly for me, they must be doing something wrong!
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Bro that really wasn't my point whatsoever. But since you brought it up, my thunderbolt pulled down 30+ the day Verizon flipped on LTE so I don't think what your saying really holds up here?
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Worst article ever....completely lacks any knowledge of what's going on in the NV buildout at all....if they did then they wouldn't of wasted their time writting that article bc sprint is upgrading backhaul to microwave or fiber based everywhere during this rollout...soooooo much is being done and changed its insane to think what this article points to...basically the only thing that will be the same when this is done is the freaking tower structure itself!
For those that don't know what's going on nor the details, take some time to go read up on everything and grasp some knowledge and be better educated on it all please....
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Worst article ever....completely lacks any knowledge of what's going on in the NV buildout at all....if they did then they wouldn't of wasted their time writting that article bc sprint is upgrading backhaul to microwave or fiber based everywhere during this rollout...soooooo much is being done and changed its insane to think what this article points to...basically the only thing that will be the same when this is done is the freaking tower structure itself!
For those that don't know what's going on nor the details, take some time to go read up on everything and grasp some knowledge and be better educated on it all please....
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Thanks. That helps also. Again, I was just sitting here , with two phones , both connected to their repective LTE networks , and wanted to understand why such a speed discrepency. That was the first article I found. I didn't present it as fact. You sound like you know what your talking about. Can you link me to anything that will help me better understand why I see such speed differences on such similar technology? ( full signal bars on both).
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Thanks. That helps also. Again, I was just sitting here , with two phones , both connected to their repective LTE networks , and wanted to understand why such a speed discrepency. That was the first article I found. I didn't present it as fact. You sound like you know what your talking about. Can you link me to anything that will help me better understand why I see such speed differences on such similar technology? ( full signal bars on both).
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s4gru.com
take a week and read around all over there....
Verizon is using a 10x10MHz LTE network while Sprint's is only 5x5MHz....BUT VZ has a butt load more subscribers on their network than sprint so in the end they need more capacity anyway to start....
Most of the complaints from sprints current build out have been b/c they are announcing markets as live when only roughly 25% towers are live and ready....
Sprint is also building their network out to have a higher average speed as opposed to a higher peak speed,....something I completely agree with tbh, as I would much rather avg 7-10Mbps all the time(with the peak of 20ish) than peak out on a speed test at 30 every now and then....also whats the real honest need for 30Mbps connection on your phone anyway?...if your looking to replace your home Internet connection with this then I can see the need, otherwise I dont get the strong need for 30Mbps speed DL on a phone right now....yeah itll help out with the file downloads some but other than that?.....
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s4gru.com
take a week and read around all over there....
Verizon is using a 10x10MHz LTE network while Sprint's is only 5x5MHz....BUT VZ has a butt load more subscribers on their network than sprint so in the end they need more capacity anyway to start....
Most of the complaints from sprints current build out have been b/c they are announcing markets as live when only roughly 25% towers are live and ready....
Sprint is also building their network out to have a higher average speed as opposed to a higher peak speed,....something I completely agree with tbh, as I would much rather avg 7-10Mbps all the time(with the peak of 20ish) than peak out on a speed test at 30 every now and then....also whats the real honest need for 30Mbps connection on your phone anyway?...if your looking to replace your home Internet connection with this then I can see the need, otherwise I dont get the strong need for 30Mbps speed DL on a phone right now....yeah itll help out with the file downloads some but other than that?.....
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Completely agree. Id rather have consistency all day as well. And, as I posted earlier, I'm completely fine with the 6-8 I'm getting (who needs more than that on a phone really?) , I just got to wondering why the speeds were so drastically different between the two.
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consistency is key..I'd much rather be blanketed in LTE.that I know what speeds to expect..I'm not dling large files on the go anyways..that's why I have da wifiz..anything above 5 will suit me ..I get 20 mbs DowN at home.with WiFi and hd YouTube (app)still buffers constantly..shoot id be happy with consistent 2-3 mbs 3g
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s4gru.com
take a week and read around all over there....
Verizon is using a 10x10MHz LTE network while Sprint's is only 5x5MHz....BUT VZ has a butt load more subscribers on their network than sprint so in the end they need more capacity anyway to start....
Most of the complaints from sprints current build out have been b/c they are announcing markets as live when only roughly 25% towers are live and ready....
Sprint is also building their network out to have a higher average speed as opposed to a higher peak speed,....something I completely agree with tbh, as I would much rather avg 7-10Mbps all the time(with the peak of 20ish) than peak out on a speed test at 30 every now and then....also whats the real honest need for 30Mbps connection on your phone anyway?...if your looking to replace your home Internet connection with this then I can see the need, otherwise I dont get the strong need for 30Mbps speed DL on a phone right now....yeah itll help out with the file downloads some but other than that?.....
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Spot on...
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Spot on...
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usually am....
another note though....as noted over there, there are infact places in Chicago that are having sites completed before backhaul is in place, which would explain the results some have experienced....backhaul connections are "supposed" to be in place before sites go live but there are instances this isn't the case evidently....its rare but it has happened....
regardless though, its a temporary situation and easy/quick fix once its ready and the provider has their ish in gear and backhaul in place...
Holy cow there are some defensive people around here....Sprint employees maybe?
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Holy cow there are some defensive people around here....Sprint employees maybe?
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If you're talking about sarge, I don't think so. He just knows what he's talking about and frowns on poorly researched posts/articles.
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If you're talking about sarge, I don't think so. He just knows what he's talking about and frowns on poorly researched posts/articles.
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THIS! :good:
ipclark1 said:
Thanks. That helps also. Again, I was just sitting here , with two phones , both connected to their repective LTE networks , and wanted to understand why such a speed discrepency. That was the first article I found. I didn't present it as fact. You sound like you know what your talking about. Can you link me to anything that will help me better understand why I see such speed differences on such similar technology? ( full signal bars on both).
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ipclark1 said:
This article really helped me understand why I'm seeing such poor LTE speeds in Chicago.
http://www.extremetech.com/electron...promises-3g-speeds-for-its-path-to-domination
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Where, in Chicago, are you that you're getting any LTE connection at all? Because LTE isn't active in Chicago, yet... lol If you're in a far-south suburb, you may be connecting to Hammond, Indiana's network. Reports in other Chicago areas have been sporadic, at best.
My EVO 4G LTE won't stay connected to LTE.
I just came to visit my family in ATL and it won't stay connected. When I reset my radio (airplane mode on then off) it connects to 4G with 3 or 4 bars and then disconnects every time. I haven't gotten it to stay connected for more than 20 seconds.
I'm running Stock With Goodies 2.14. I have roaming set to auto, and I have my data mode set to CDMA/LTE.
Any suggestions?
Update your prl and profile. Let me know how that works.
Yeah, I already tried that. I just tried it again for giggles and still no go.
I just did a full wipe and updated to stock with goodies 2.14 a little earlier because I was on 2.11 and it wasn't staying connected - I thought that a hard reset might help resolve the issue (plus I needed to update anyway).
The bars you see have nothing to do with your LTE signal. Stock OEM ROMs show 1x signal strength at all times, whether or not it says 3G or LTE. Chances are, you are on the edge of LTE with a very weak signal. The phone can connect to one tower for voice service but also be connected to a completely different tower much farther away for LTE (or EVDO for that matter), so a strong voice signal does not indicate a strong data signal.
There is a lot of relevant info on this stuff in the forums at s4gru.com. The people over there know exactly what they're talking about.
Ah... So I'm probably connected to the next tower over and it just goes out.
Just saw this there. http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/2...to-determine-your-actual-lte-signal-strength/
Ughhhh...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1898433
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1905007
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1901905
And then there were 4. On this forum. There are also these:
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/1644-evo-lte-4g-connection-issues-contact-sprint/
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/458883
So, basically, the EVO LTE's LTE connect isn't very good. This kinda makes me upset.
I can get a constant connection if I set the mode as LTE only. It's not a good connection, but it is LTE. It makes me wonder if my phone doesn't know about other LTE towers nearby because sprint has excellent coverage here.
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So, basically, the EVO LTE's LTE connect isn't very good. This kinda makes me upset.
I can get a constant connection if I set the mode as LTE only. It's not a good connection, but it is LTE. It makes me wonder if my phone doesn't know about other LTE towers nearby because sprint has excellent coverage here.
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So far the official stance is that it is a software issue. An update is supposed to fix it.
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Ughhhh...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1898433
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1905007
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1901905
And then there were 4. On this forum. There are also these:
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/1644-evo-lte-4g-connection-issues-contact-sprint/
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/458883
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This ****ing forum is starting to smell like **** because of people like you. You don't have the courtesy to just disregard the post if it bugs you. Instead, you go out of your ****ing way to copy 5 different links to not really help the OP, but to just shove this "already been posted" bull**** down people's throats. For ****s sake..
The bars you see have nothing to do with your LTE signal. Stock OEM ROMs show 1x signal strength at all times, whether or not it says 3G or LTE. Chances are, you are on the edge of LTE with a very weak signal. The phone can connect to one tower for voice service but also be connected to a completely different tower much farther away for LTE (or EVDO for that matter), so a strong voice signal does not indicate a strong data signal.
There is a lot of relevant info on this stuff in the forums at s4gru.com. The people over there know exactly what they're talking about.
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That's probably what it is.. But there's no saying because the EVO 4G LTE seems to be having issues.. my girlfriend's iPhone 5 on sprint gets LTE in places I don't.
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That's probably what it is.. But there's no saying because the EVO 4G LTE seems to be having issues.. my girlfriend's iPhone 5 on sprint gets LTE in places I don't.
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Well, I'm sure it is an Evo software issue (my GS3 gets LTE in places my sister's Evo doesn't; I'm hoping for her sake that it's a software issue), but the point was that the signal is weak enough for the phone to fall back to 3G instead of holding onto it and that the bars he saw were deceptive.
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This ****ing forum is starting to smell like **** because of people like you. You don't have the courtesy to just disregard the post if it bugs you. Instead, you go out of your ****ing way to copy 5 different links to not really help the OP, but to just shove this "already been posted" bull**** down people's throats. For ****s sake..
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You know something? You're right. I make these forums smell like fecal matter by attempting to harmonize and combine similar topics. Nay, I am single-handedly bringing on the downfall of humanity! How dare I try to direct people to topics that have been created 3 times before to help other people who might have this problem so they don't have to go looking for the information in multiple, scattered threads.
And to cater to your apparent love of all things scatological, the next thing you know, parents aren't going to tell their kids to eat their vegetables more than once. And why should they? Learning from people who have been there before is simply not worth it when we can just spend 45 minutes on the can trying to take a grunt. (In case you don't get it, "learning from people [before]" refers to people who have previously created threads on the same topic and "45 minutes on the can" refers to wasting time searching for the information which is fragmented across a forum, which you seem to prefer.)
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So if this does not belong as a new thread then I'm sorry, I'm fairly new here. Anyways, I think I stumbled on to something today with my Note 3. As with a lot of you, I have been having reception issues. The reason though is because it tries to connect to a LTE network before 3G. This sounds fine and dandy, but it would rather have 1 bar with LTE instead of 5 bars with 3G. This is why the reception is worse, it wants to hold onto the 4G tower.
I know this because when I turned off my 4G data and put it on CDMA only, my reception went up a lot!
Any thoughts?
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So if this does not belong as a new thread then I'm sorry, I'm fairly new here. Anyways, I think I stumbled on to something today with my Note 3. As with a lot of you, I have been having reception issues. The reason though is because it tries to connect to a LTE network before 3G. This sounds fine and dandy, but it would rather have 1 bar with LTE instead of 5 bars with 3G. This is why the reception is worse, it wants to hold onto the 4G tower.
I know this because when I turned off my 4G data and put it on CDMA only, my reception went up a lot!
Any thoughts?
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This is a valid fix shared on the Sprint forum. But, not really a fix fix.
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This is a valid fix shared on the Sprint forum. But, not really a fix fix.
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But all we need now is a skilled dev who can program it to accept the best signal, not the fastest data. That or an update to do so.
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But all we need now is a skilled dev who can program it to accept the best signal, not the fastest data. That or an update to do so.
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We need the fix fix. Sprint needs to get the job done.