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Hi guys,
I'm from Aus and trying to get a non-savvy US (Cali, splitting time between Sac and SF) friend set up with an unlocked phone suitable for short-term US and overseas use due to travel requirements. The Amaze 4G looks great. I've tried to find answers, but would like some knowledgable eyeballs on my proposal:
1. A US website currently has the Amaze 4G for $479.50 which is much cheaper than all other options. Is this legit? Is there only the X715M model out there, or is this a predecessor?
2. Are all unlocked 'Tmo' Amaze 4G phones able to operate on GSM 850/900/1800/1900 as well as UMTS 1700/2100, both physically and as allowed by the carrier? Any weird APN/data connectivity restrictions due to unlocked phone?
3. Can this phone connect to Tmo at 3G speeds if AWS is unavailable? I read somewhere that 3G 1900 would be required, and this phone doesn't appear to have that?
4. I want to get it on the $30/m walmart/tmo prepaid plan (5G uncapped is plenty of data) but can't see how to order just the sim via their website. should I just have my friend go into walmart? prefer not to muck around with simplemobile if possible - ironically, i want to keep this whole enterprise as simple as possible with a big carrier/theoretically good support.
5. Is this idea, for use in the US primarily but also overseas over the next 12 or so months, future-proof for a couple of years? e.g. I've read about tmo working on HSPA 1900MHz, but hopefully AT&T remains an option if Tmo ends up being unsatisfactory for any reason.
Thanks for having a read, hoping to tie this up ASAP. Much love for any responses.
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Hi guys,
I'm from Aus and trying to get a non-savvy US (Cali, splitting time between Sac and SF) friend set up with an unlocked phone suitable for short-term US and overseas use due to travel requirements. The Amaze 4G looks great. I've tried to find answers, but would like some knowledgable eyeballs on my proposal:
1. A US website currently has the Amaze 4G for $479.50 which is much cheaper than all other options. Is this legit? Is there only the X715M model out there, or is this a predecessor?
2. Are all unlocked 'Tmo' Amaze 4G phones able to operate on GSM 850/900/1800/1900 as well as UMTS 1700/2100, both physically and as allowed by the carrier? Any weird APN/data connectivity restrictions due to unlocked phone?
3. Can this phone connect to Tmo at 3G speeds if AWS is unavailable? I read somewhere that 3G 1900 would be required, and this phone doesn't appear to have that?
4. I want to get it on the $30/m walmart/tmo prepaid plan (5G uncapped is plenty of data) but can't see how to order just the sim via their website. should I just have my friend go into walmart? prefer not to muck around with simplemobile if possible - ironically, i want to keep this whole enterprise as simple as possible with a big carrier/theoretically good support.
5. Is this idea, for use in the US primarily but also overseas over the next 12 or so months, future-proof for a couple of years? e.g. I've read about tmo working on HSPA 1900MHz, but hopefully AT&T remains an option if Tmo ends up being unsatisfactory for any reason.
Thanks for having a read, hoping to tie this up ASAP. Much love for any responses.
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1. 479 sounds legit for phone, i dont know about x715m but i do know that us tmobile version is compatible with all bands networks.
2. Yes all US tmobile amaze 4g operate on GSM 850/900/1800/1900 as well as UMTS 1700/2100, both physically and as allowed by the carrier. As far as apn you would need to set up your apn settings according to the network you are using.
3. If no AWS available then only 2g Edge will work, although I have called tmobile and asked if amaze 4g unlocked will be able to use att's hspa network and they said yes amaze and sg2 are only phones capable of that meaning they were built with future proof in mind. I also seen around that tmobile version has all 3g network bands but not sure myself.
4. Easiest would be to have friend pay and pick up the sim card at walmart but i do remind you it is 30/m- 100 min and 5gb of 4g speeds CAPPED, but 2g edge speeds after the 5gb. Simple mobile is 60/m - unltd talk unlt text and 2gb of 4g speeds capped then 2g edge speeds after just depends on your preference.
5. This is a good idea as att will stil be an option and now that att failed to buy tmobile, att has come to an agreement in a roaming contract with tmobile for 7 years.
hope this helps you a little bit more in what ever you decide, good luck!
thanks mate, helped confirmed a few things in my mind.
Negri said they're on backorder so I went ahead and ordered the phone from an Amazon seller for $500. I can only hope everything's legit - I'm not too sure what the dangers of this option are. My best idea is just to use the phone heavily in the first week after getting it and make sure everything works.
now i just need a "beginners guide to android" to help the friend work through the basics... google time.
Is this your first Android phone?
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nope, i've had a HTC Hero and currently run a SGS2. I bought the Amaze for a friend who's new to Android due to Apple's stupid GSM-only unlocked phones, and their lack of 1.7ghz for tmo.
we'll get through it, tho after 15 mins of googling, there's a distinct lack of good "idiot user's (not programmer's) guide to android" articles/books. will write something up myself, i think.
my response to you above is more fishing for people's ideas about how Amazon sellers can be dodgy, esp. when pretty much every website is still doing the Amaze for $6-700.. I wondered if there were any potential pitfalls with the $500 price.
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nope, i've had a HTC Hero and currently run a SGS2. I bought the Amaze for a friend who's new to Android due to Apple's stupid GSM-only unlocked phones, and their lack of 1.7ghz for tmo.
we'll get through it, tho after 15 mins of googling, there's a distinct lack of good "idiot user's (not programmer's) guide to android" articles/books. will write something up myself, i think.
my response to you above is more fishing for people's ideas about how Amazon sellers can be dodgy, esp. when pretty much every website is still doing the Amaze for $6-700.. I wondered if there were any potential pitfalls with the $500 price.
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I bought mine from eBay. It was used for a week with everything and he gave me an Incipio case. I bought it for $445. I was happy with it.
resolved said:
Hi guys,
I'm from Aus and trying to get a non-savvy US (Cali, splitting time between Sac and SF) friend set up with an unlocked phone suitable for short-term US and overseas use due to travel requirements. The Amaze 4G looks great. I've tried to find answers, but would like some knowledgable eyeballs on my proposal:
1. A US website currently has the Amaze 4G for $479.50 which is much cheaper than all other options. Is this legit? Is there only the X715M model out there, or is this a predecessor?
2. Are all unlocked 'Tmo' Amaze 4G phones able to operate on GSM 850/900/1800/1900 as well as UMTS 1700/2100, both physically and as allowed by the carrier? Any weird APN/data connectivity restrictions due to unlocked phone?
3. Can this phone connect to Tmo at 3G speeds if AWS is unavailable? I read somewhere that 3G 1900 would be required, and this phone doesn't appear to have that?
5. Is this idea, for use in the US primarily but also overseas over the next 12 or so months, future-proof for a couple of years? e.g. I've read about tmo working on HSPA 1900MHz, but hopefully AT&T remains an option if Tmo ends up being unsatisfactory for any reason.
Thanks for having a read, hoping to tie this up ASAP. Much love for any responses.
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From what i understand, this phone has UMTS/HSPA+ support for 850,1700/2100aws/1900mhz and 2100mhz. Pretty much anywhere in the world that uses those.
Greetings fellow forum peeps!
I am new to AT&T and the Note and have read so much that it's dizzying, LOL!
I think I am good and know what to do about changing the APN settings, however, I am not sure what to say to AT&T when I call them to set up the plan and activate. I do have an older AT&T cheapy prepaid phone that I bought for $5 late last year. I am under the impression that I should use my new SIM card w/the Note, but first activate the card in my cheap phone? Is this right?
What are the steps to take to activate the prepaid $50/Unlimited plan? Would you mind giving them to me in order of preference?
Also, I've read that some are on the $45/Unlimited Straight Talk plan. Is one better than the other? I was under the impression from talking to the guy at Worst Buy that AT&T may make you purchase a data plan, which I normally would have no problem with but they only offer the $30/500 mb plan.
Thoughts/Suggestions?
I appreciate your time and consideration.
I remember reading that AT&T won't allow smartphones on the prepaid plans. They automatically upgrade you to the lowest monthly plan.
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If you have an at$t branded phone on their prepaid and its a smartphone ...they make you carry some sort of a data plan....
Straight Talk is a better value at around 49 to 51 depending on taxes.
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If you have the AT&T Note (four buttons on the bottom), you can't do this. If you have the International Note (One physical button, two soft buttons), you can absolutely do this! I am using it right now.
Do NOT activate the SIM card with the crappy prepaid phone. Just activate it with the International Note using the International Note's IMEI online and you will be fine.
Just curious what kind of speeds are you getting on the international Note on this unlimited ATT data plan? Thanks in advance.
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If you have the AT&T Note (four buttons on the bottom), you can't do this. If you have the International Note (One physical button, two soft buttons), you can absolutely do this! I am using it right now.
Do NOT activate the SIM card with the crappy prepaid phone. Just activate it with the International Note using the International Note's IMEI online and you will be fine.
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Hi JoshNichols189,
What do you mean by Int'l version? Setting up on AT&T Prepaid? I was told that H20 (an AT&T MVNO) is easy to activate on the AT&T Note.
I also read (on this forum) that it's easy to unlock this device. I was planning on possibly using on Tmobile but I was told by TMO that this device will only work on 2G or Edge, 3G/4G doesn't work on non-TMO phones.
So, it sounds like I am stuck w/AT&T or H20 (BUMMER, unless there are other alternatives???).
So, with that, should I unlock and pray for the best with an Edge connection? I'm looking to spend about $50-$60/month.
I may also try Straight Talk --- if I do, do I have to order the SIM card, or can I simply walk into a Walmart, buy a cheap phone and use that SIM card?
Thanks so much for your advice.
I'll be more than happy to pay small reward/fee (via Paypal) to get some strong/solid advice on setting this up, APN settings and all (PM me).
MrJinx said:
I may also try Straight Talk --- if I do, do I have to order the SIM card, or can I simply walk into a Walmart, buy a cheap phone and use that SIM card?
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Check out my recent post all about setting up straight talk with at&t galaxy note for just 45$ unlimited with 3G data.
PM me if you need more info or specific help as I am glad to share my knowledge
vince2398 said:
Just curious what kind of speeds are you getting on the international Note on this unlimited ATT data plan? Thanks in advance.
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About 1.5-3 mbps down in Dayton, Ohio.
MrJinx said:
Hi JoshNichols189,
What do you mean by Int'l version? Setting up on AT&T Prepaid? I was told that H20 (an AT&T MVNO) is easy to activate on the AT&T Note.
I also read (on this forum) that it's easy to unlock this device. I was planning on possibly using on Tmobile but I was told by TMO that this device will only work on 2G or Edge, 3G/4G doesn't work on non-TMO phones.
So, it sounds like I am stuck w/AT&T or H20 (BUMMER, unless there are other alternatives???).
So, with that, should I unlock and pray for the best with an Edge connection? I'm looking to spend about $50-$60/month.
I may also try Straight Talk --- if I do, do I have to order the SIM card, or can I simply walk into a Walmart, buy a cheap phone and use that SIM card?
Thanks so much for your advice.
I'll be more than happy to pay small reward/fee (via Paypal) to get some strong/solid advice on setting this up, APN settings and all (PM me).
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The International Note is from Europe, which is what I have and am using on the $50 AT&T prepaid unlimited everything plan. I don't think the AT&T Note will work on the prepaid plan, because AT&T can tell what your IMEI number is and force you to upgrade to another smartphone plan. The only reason what I"m doing works is because it is a European IMEI, so AT&T doesn't know it's a smartphone. You won't be able to get T-Mobile 3/4G, but H20 should work just fine if you get an unlock code for the phone and unlock it to work I think Straight Talk is a T-Mobile MVNO, so that won't work either. You should get 3/4G on H20 since it is an AT&T MVNO.
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About 1.5-3 mbps down in Dayton, Ohio.
I think Straight Talk is a T-Mobile MVNO, so that won't work either. You should get 3/4G on H20 since it is an AT&T MVNO.
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Nope, Straighttalk uses ATT network and so att.mvno.
shaolinx said:
Nope, Straighttalk uses ATT network and so att.mvno.
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Straight talk uses both ATT network and T-mobile network, they give you a choice to pick a sim card and which MVNO service suits your needs.
I have used both Sim's Tmobile as well as ATT, and i found that speeds on Tmobile network are superior than ATT network when when using Straight Talk sims.
But then again it will depend upon your location.
Get original iphone 2g and activate with your number on at&t which will give you $20 unlimited plan.
Use it couple of days then purchase at&t smartphone from craigslist and goto at&t store, tell them it's gift and you want to use it with your unlimited plan.
You will have $30 unlimited plan on lte, 4g, 3g whatever.
Enjoy.
If you want original iphone 2g, i can rent you one or you can buy one.
I did this and this still works.
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Sorry for asking stupid question....
I did some research, but I still can't figure out why DNA can't uses other CDMA network.
Is it the problem if radio???
According what I see, DNA is able to unlock bootloader, s-off, root.
What stuff should I waiting for? Radio?
Your answer will help me know what kind of threads I should pay attention to. Thanks a LOT in advanced!
BTW, I am planning use DNA in Taiwan with a CDMA network provider.
I had checked the hardware is fitted to my network (CDMA2000 800Mhz). Thanks for all concerned!
siekaiser said:
Sorry for asking stupid question....
I did some research, but I still can't figure out why DNA can't uses other CDMA network.
Is it the problem if radio???
According what I see, DNA is able to unlock bootloader, s-off, root.
What stuff should I waiting for? Radio?
Your answer will help me know what kind of threads I should pay attention to. Thanks a LOT in advanced!
BTW, I am planning use DNA in Taiwan with a CDMA network provider.
I had checked the hardware is fitted to my network (CDMA2000 800Mhz). Thanks for all concerned!
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Hi,
First of all, you must understand that GSM & CDMA are dissimilar technologies, whereas with GSM you can easily swap between carriers so long as they have the same/supported radio frequencies and your phone is sim-unlocked, this is not possible with CDMA. CDMA devices do not use a sim card to retain your account information or activation abilities. When it comes to CDMA (from my understanding) the ESN is key, the ESN must be added to your networks (for lack of a better term at the moment) ESN database. In the United States, most CDMA carriers will not add ESN's of other carriers phones to their network, your results may be different, because of your location. If your carrier were to allow or be willing to add the ESN of the DNA you obtain to their database than there is a possibility that it may work. (I am unsure if that can just be done or if it would have to be removed from Verizon's network & so forth, because I've never personally had to do such a thing)
There is a second problem though, the LTE radio / sim card interface. Because of the way these phones work on Verizon with LTE, I am unsure if you could even activate it, because it looks like the LTE sim is needed to authenticate your account to the carrier like a regular GSM phone. I have no idea how you would activate this phone without LTE / GSM on your carrier, even with the CDMA ESN added. It seems like it would be a double edged sword, but I could be wrong in this respect.
Also at this current time, this phone has root, and an unlocked bootloader through HTCDev, but is still **S-ON**.
Though none of those things have to do with you being able to use this phone on your carrier.
If your carrier was GSM I would say go for it because this is a GSM Global phone as well, but because its CDMA that you need I really incredibly doubt you'll be able to use this phone, but I may be wrong, but until someone else states otherwise I would look for a different phone.
Hope this Helps!
I am also interested in it. How can we check it out? I should go to my CDMA carrier and ask to activate my ESN?
Where can i find ESN? In Settings-About there is only MEID, IMEI, Phone serial number and IMSIAdded
I work for a CDMA carrier in the USA and with lte on the phones now, they truly act as gsm phones. If your CDMA carrier has lte then they can give you a sim and it will activate your DNA. However, if they only operate on 2g/3g then the post above me is correct with the ESN database and will USUALLY not activate the phone (in store sales reps usually don't even have the ability). Even if they have lte, activating another carrier's phone is not in the best interest of the sales Rep and they usually won't.
YMMV
Sent with my DNA
kyleco said:
I work for a CDMA carrier in the USA and with lte on the phones now, they truly act as gsm phones. If your CDMA carrier has lte then they can give you a sim and it will activate your DNA. However, if they only operate on 2g/3g then the post above me is correct with the ESN database and will USUALLY not activate the phone (in store sales reps usually don't even have the ability). Even if they have lte, activating another carrier's phone is not in the best interest of the sales Rep and they usually won't.
YMMV
Sent with my DNA
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I should mentions that we don't have LTE in Taiwan so far.
My carrier provides CDMA2000 1xEV-DO rev.B (I guess it is)
Is it operate as LTE OR 2G/3G you mentioned?
siekaiser said:
I should mentions that we don't have LTE in Taiwan so far.
My carrier provides CDMA2000 1xEV-DO rev.B (I guess it is)
Is it operate as LTE OR 2G/3G you mentioned?
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From my experience, they will not be able to activate it if they do not have lte, as they would need to have a settings file made for that phone to get it to work on their network. Nevers hurts to call and ask though.
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Hi,i am from Austria,i have a Droid Dna by Verizon and the Phone works fine here in Austria, 2G and 3G/HSDPA
I know post paid Verizon LTE phones are unlocked but does that apply for the prepaid Verizon phones as well?
Nope. VZ locked this one tight
Yep, available networks selection is LTE/CDMA only.
Some nanny nagware sits in the background, reminding you at every opportunity that you don't have a Verizon SIM in place. If someone can tell me what to freeze to make it stop doing this, I'd be very grateful.
AT&T microsim just doesn't pick up any network
Can't find the E LTE drivers yet on Motorola's site for the E LTE (I'm a newbie, so can't post links, but trust me, they're not there.)
I wonder if the GSM part can be unlocked like the Motorola Luge by changing ITEM_8322 in NVRAM from 01 to 00 to enable the GSM bands. I can't try this without the Motorola providede drivers.
acadiel said:
Yep, available networks selection is LTE/CDMA only.
Some nanny nagware sits in the background, reminding you at every opportunity that you don't have a Verizon SIM in place. If someone can tell me what to freeze to make it stop doing this, I'd be very grateful.
AT&T microsim just doesn't pick up any network
Can't find the E LTE drivers yet on Motorola's site for the E LTE (I'm a newbie, so can't post links, but trust me, they're not there.)
I wonder if the GSM part can be unlocked like the Motorola Luge by changing ITEM_8322 in NVRAM from 01 to 00 to enable the GSM bands. I can't try this without the Motorola providede drivers.
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In every verizon android phone you simply block setup_wizard app,red icon.
Searched everywhere found nothing yet
Bump!
Anybody found a way to get AT&T and T-Mobile working in the Verizon model. The spec search shows that there is GSM bands. I need to get at least voice call working don't care if LT works or not.
Thanks
Bad news I'm afraid; The phone is locked on verizon. VZW lock LTE phones which are sold in a box as a prepaid package... You would have to wait for 6 months or 12 months continuous service to get it unlocked by VZW. I know of no third party unlockers who have managed this phone so far.
dialanothernumb said:
Bad news I'm afraid; The phone is locked on verizon. VZW lock LTE phones which are sold in a box as a prepaid package... You would have to wait for 6 months or 12 months continuous service to get it unlocked by VZW. I know of no third party unlockers who have managed this phone so far.
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Thanks, is it possible to flash other rom? I see talk about GSM version not this. If this has a GSM radio, can a GSM rom flash make it available? Looks like registeration software also block selection of GSM band. Can those who have registered with Verizon see the GSM option is available. it can be checked in -> Setting -> More -> Cellular Network -> Preferred network type. My unregistered Moto E shows LTE/CDMA only.
tm515 said:
Thanks, is it possible to flash other rom? I see talk about GSM version not this. If this has a GSM radio, can a GSM rom flash make it available? Looks like registeration software also block selection of GSM band. Can those who have registered with Verizon see the GSM option is available. it can be checked in -> Setting -> More -> Cellular Network -> Preferred network type. My unregistered Moto E shows LTE/CDMA only.
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I don't know if this will fix your problem but their is a lower level (Testing > Phone Information) menu that should allow you to select other network types.
Pull up the phone dialer and type the below text
*#*#4636#*#*
The "Testing" menu should show up > Select "Phone Information"
Scroll down and "Turn Off Radio" > then select whatever network type you want > then "Turn On Radio"
Let me know if the LTE/GSM selection isn't there or this procedure doesn't work.
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I don't know if this will fix your problem but their is a lower level (Testing > Phone Information) menu that should allow you to select other network types.
Pull up the phone dialer and type the below text
*#*#4636#*#*
The "Testing" menu should show up > Select "Phone Information"
Scroll down and "Turn Off Radio" > then select whatever network type you want > then "Turn On Radio"
Let me know if the LTE/GSM selection isn't there or this procedure doesn't work.
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The Testing Menu does not pop up when *#*#4636#*#* is dialed. It looks like there is software routine which bypasses "Testing" menu and returns to the android home screen.
I know *#*#4636#*#* code should be universal because that takes to "Testing" menu in my OnePlus One and Nexus 4. Verizon seems to have done some trick to bypass standard android feature.
I have also tried scores of other *# codes but the most I have been able to get is to connect to the Verizon "call collect" voice prompt. My phone is still not registered to Verizon and I am not willing to fork out $45 for a prepaid plan to get activated.
At this point I am willing to do anything: unlock bootloader/flash recovery/root/ flash another rom if any developer is willing to help me get this phone working in GSM network (AT&T and T-mobile).
tm515 said:
The Testing Menu does not pop up when *#*#4636#*#* is dialed. It looks like there is software routine which bypasses "Testing" menu and returns to the android home screen.
I know *#*#4636#*#* code should be universal because that takes to "Testing" menu in my OnePlus One and Nexus 4. Verizon seems to have done some trick to bypass standard android feature.
I have also tried scores of other *# codes but the most I have been able to get is to connect to the Verizon "call collect" voice prompt. My phone is still not registered to Verizon and I am not willing to fork out $45 for a prepaid plan to get activated.
At this point I am willing to do anything: unlock bootloader/flash recovery/root/ flash another rom if any developer is willing to help me get this phone working in GSM network (AT&T and T-mobile).
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Hi. Also u can install app PhoneInfo from market and try to change network to GSM. Please let me know what you got. Thanks
@yurwells,
Thanks for suggesting. I tried several PhoneInfo app available at Google play store. I can see a lot of info about the phone via the app but don't see and option to enable GSM. Can you be more specific on what app you want me to try and the steps?
Thanks
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Bad news I'm afraid; The phone is locked on verizon. VZW lock LTE phones which are sold in a box as a prepaid package... You would have to wait for 6 months or 12 months continuous service to get it unlocked by VZW. I know of no third party unlockers who have managed this phone so far.
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It works fine here with a Postpaid SIM on Unlimited data. (I'm a newbie still here, so can't post links)
Verizon does not lock its prepaid devices at all: www dot verizonwireless dot com slash aboutus slash commitment slash safety-security slash device-unlocking-policy.html
"We do not lock our 4G LTE Prepaid devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier."
They did, however, change a setting in the NVRAM (very likely) - see above where I said this:
"I wonder if the GSM part can be unlocked like the Motorola Luge by changing ITEM_8322 in NVRAM from 01 to 00 to enable the GSM bands. I can't try this without the Motorola provideded drivers."
If someone can figure out how to do so before the driver bundle is released by Motorola, please do so, throw a GSM SIM in there, and see if you have the option to pick GSM bands in the cellular settings afterward.
@acadiel
If "We do not lock our 4G LTE Prepaid devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier." is the Verizon policy and as device cost is already paid off in prepaid device, does it make sense to call them and ask for the code to unlock the GSM bands? Can this even be unlocked with dialer code (like other GSM phones)? This is my first CDMA phone, I got this phone because my internet searches showed that all 4G LTE CDMA phone from verizon have GSM bands and can be used in ATT and T-mobile without any problem. Obviously, this is not turning out to be true. Also, I don't see any ebay service to unlock the US Verizon Mote E 2015; all service offered are for Europe carriers.
Whoa, guys. You seriously really need to read the fine print....
The link to Verizon's policy with regard to prepaid is misleading. VZW sell phones as either standalone items or as part of a prepaid bundle called "phone in a box". The Moto E, up to now, is sold as a "phone in a box"... This bundle contains a locked phone. Whether it is simple or impossible to unlock before VZW allows you is another matter, but if you go ahead and buy this phone from VZW as a "phone in a box" , anticipating you can use it with TMO or ATT straight away, then best of luck.
Here is the link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/aboutus/commitment/safety-security/device-unlocking-policy.html
Here is the text:
Prepaid Devices
We do not lock our Prepaid devices, other than our Phone-in-the-Box Prepaid phones, and the simple code to program such Prepaid devices for use with another carrier is either “000000” or “123456.” If the user guide for your device does not provide instructions to access the programming menu, you can contact us at *611 from your Verizon Wireless phone, or (888)294-6804, for assistance.
Our Prepaid Phone-in-the-Box phones are restricted for use with our Prepaid service for six months after activation, and are locked to the Verizon Wireless network for 12 months after activation. We will remove the restriction and unlock the device at your request.
Noted; but that is for 3G Prepaid Phone. The description starts with "Our 3G Prepaid Phone-in-the-Box phones are restricted..."
Verizon Moto E 2015 is a 4GLTE phone which means the first line of the policy is applicable:
"We do not lock our 4G LTE Prepaid devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier."
Verizon shouldn't have locked the GSM at all based on their own policy. But I have now doubts about whether the phone has a GSM bands at all. From what I have read 4GLTE phones have GSM bands (and come with SIM card slot: which is true for Moto E 2015) and in case of Verizon it is unlocked.
Or is it that Verizon asked Motorola to remove the GSM radios? Is it even possible to do that? I am confused now.
Can anybody confirm that Verizon Moto E 2015 (Model: XT1528) actually has GSM bands?
tm515 said:
Noted; but that is for 3G Prepaid Phone. The description starts with "Our 3G Prepaid Phone-in-the-Box phones are restricted..."
Verizon Moto E 2015 is a 4GLTE phone which means the first line of the policy is applicable:
"We do not lock our 4G LTE Prepaid devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier."
Verizon shouldn't have locked the GSM at all based on their own policy. But I have now doubts about whether the phone has a GSM bands at all. From what I have read 4GLTE phones have GSM bands (and come with SIM card slot: which is true for Moto E 2015) and in case of Verizon it is unlocked.
Or is it that Verizon asked Motorola to remove the GSM radios? Is it even possible to do that? I am confused now.
Can anybody confirm that Verizon Moto E 2015 (Model: XT1528) actually has GSM bands?
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The 4GLTE-side uses SIM cards, but they probably removed the GSM 2G/3G radios and replaced them with the CDMA 2G/3G radios. Keeping both GSM and CDMA for 2G/3G would be more expensive for Moto, and considering they want to make this a budget phone...
I bought my moto e lte from kodoo from canada did a sim unlock by safeunlockcode.com it took them 2 days to send me the unlock code but it did work and today im really happy with it on my old lg optimus f3 i got 95% 2g on the t-mobile network now withe the moto e
I get 90% LTE but for now it just my first day on the t-mobile network
Alexandria bay to syracuse LTE all the way and i use to get 4g in watertown only and syracuse LTE and in the middle 2g only so big improvement and same thing with syracuse to erie.pa so for now it the best low budget phone . i use to hate t-mobile but with this phone it much better
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Is your Moto E from Kodoo a CDMA version with SIM for 4GLTE? I checked with safeunlockcode.com but it says it can not generate unlock code for IMEI starting with among others 9900 and mine starts with 9900
I am now inclined to think that Verizon 4GLT (XT1528) does not have GSM bands.
Is there any utility to actually probe the radio bands in a phone? Most of the Phone Info App only report what activated bands are ( i don't think they show any information that the software layer is masking).
Thanks
tm515 said:
Noted; but that is for 3G Prepaid Phone. The description starts with "Our 3G Prepaid Phone-in-the-Box phones are restricted..."
Verizon Moto E 2015 is a 4GLTE phone which means the first line of the policy is applicable:
"We do not lock our 4G LTE Prepaid devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier."
Verizon shouldn't have locked the GSM at all based on their own policy. But I have now doubts about whether the phone has a GSM bands at all.
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The phone is the same model and hardware as that shipped from Motorola's own store. VZW have the phone nicely locked up to their specification. The policy spells this out very clearly. You need to read the whole page, not just the bit about 35 prepaid. I'm sorry it's not better news for you but this phone cannot be unlocked for use outside of VZW for a year after activation until someone figures a hack
It just occured to me that I had not shared my personal experience with this model. I bought the VZW Moto E as a " phone in a box", thinking that this is fantastic value and that when I had used up the month's service, I would go ahead and switch to T-Mobile, assuming that VZW were obligated to unlock all LTE phones due to an agreement with the FTC. When I discovered my plan would not work and after a LOT of discussion with VZW, they agreed to refund me and I bought the Moto E directly from the Motorola store. VZW were legally in the right based on the conditions displayed on the web and in the terms of sale, and in fairness they didn't have to offer a return but they did anyway. Also it should be noted that the bootloader on the VZW edition is locked meaning no custom ROMs
Long and short of it is that the Moto E 2015 is a great phone for its price point but if you want to unlock it for other networks or to unlock the bootloader, buy it from Moto, not VZW
My imei start with 3533
There was a thread about this but it just kind of died without any answers. I know the complication with this is that Verizon is CDMA. I was talking with a friend that's a Verizon cell site tech, and he said that all the new sites and small cells are LTE bands 13,4,2 only... no CDMA. Of those 3 bands, the tmobile has 4 and 2. Some, I have read, are able to use their Verizon v10 on tmobile. So I'm wondering, with the fact that the new sites and small cells around me only uses LTE and not CDMA, am I able to use a tmobile v10 on Verizon? Has anyone tried it?
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There was a thread about this but it just kind of died without any answers. I know the complication with this is that Verizon is CDMA. I was talking with a friend that's a Verizon cell site tech, and he said that all the new sites and small cells are LTE bands 13,4,2 only... no CDMA. Of those 3 bands, the tmobile has 4 and 2. Some, I have read, are able to use their Verizon v10 on tmobile. So I'm wondering, with the fact that the new sites and small cells around me only uses LTE and not CDMA, am I able to use a tmobile v10 on Verizon? Has anyone tried it?
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I will soon be testing this. Bought a unlocked tmobile v10 off swappa...gonna try it with my Tmobile prepaid sim to see if I can actually use their service in my apartment....then will try my active VZW sim. According to spec pages i have read, should have the correct bands for LTE for vzw.
Sorta worked. The t-mobile V10 recognized the VZW number and sim. Calls worked (disable Wifi calling and volte). I had to add VZW APN settings, and it connected, and recognized Verizon network, but I could not get a internet connection. Not sure if i had the wrong apn settings or not.
how were you able to edit the apn settings? when i try i get an error, i've unlocked, rooted, deleted the telephony.db nothing seems to work.