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Just my feeling...
Since I like Android more than WM now, so 24h are using Android.
I set my HD2 only on 2g in Android/WM(same usage), am I get wrong feeling the battery drop faster then WM?
Or Android run on SD so more power is used? Low power on WM run on nand ?
Any user get same feeling?
If real makes me waiting for nand much much...
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On standby, we can assume we've all (except battery drain problems) reached WM6-level
When actually using the phone, another story.
- (I) have a very huge drain when using GGNav, Internet or when playing. HOWEVER, it may be...me, actually USING my phone a lot more since i'm not on WinMo anymore
naaah. ive always used win mobile a lot and never had problems with battery unlike android. Something is not perfect with it. when u turn on wifi or 3g the battery runs out so fast that i feel 1-2h using it would be enough to drain all the battery. In windows mobile i can use it for 2 days running the same types of application.
too bad i was going to stick with android till i grab one wp7 device.
Its a port on the hd2... you can't expect a port of android to run as well as a native device that has proper drivers. Android ports always tend to drain batteries quickly. They have done a really remarkable job getting android running as well as it does on the hd2... but its always going to be a hacked on port of android.
From what I can tell by watching the devs talk, the nand version seems just as power hungry as the Haret version. The SD card really doesn't use that much power. Everything gets booted into ram anyways, so the SD only gets accessed intermittently. Some SD cards seem to use more power than others.... but overall, I don't think the SD card makes a noticeable difference in power consumption.
We just need to hope for more improvements to be made in the kernel regarding power management... but you can't expect a port to run as well as a native phone... you will be disappointed.
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This topic gets created like every week.
There's really no advantage at all...the devs are just working on the NAND version for android just for fun.
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Its a port on the hd2... you can't expect a port of android to run as well as a native device that has proper drivers. Android ports always tend to drain batteries quickly. They have done a really remarkable job getting android running as well as it does on the hd2... but its always going to be a hacked on port of android.
From what I can tell by watching the devs talk, the nand version seems just as power hungry as the Haret version. The SD card really doesn't use that much power. Everything gets booted into ram anyways, so the SD only gets accessed intermittently. Some SD cards seem to use more power than others.... but overall, I don't think the SD card makes a noticeable difference in power consumption.
We just need to hope for more improvements to be made in the kernel regarding power management... but you can't expect a port to run as well as a native phone... you will be disappointed.
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stop spewing more BS than what we already have. I think you need to learn how a RAM operates when you say "everything gets booted into ram."
lude219 said:
This topic gets created like every week.
There's really no advantage at all...the devs are just working on the NAND version for android just for fun.
stop spewing more BS than what we already have. I think you need to learn how a RAM operates when you say "everything gets booted into ram."
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Most people in the vouge forums say they have much improved battery on nand than from sd. However there are some that have noticed very little difference.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645308
That means driver not nand...
Hope xda can get better driver for more using time in future.
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This topic gets created like every week.
There's really no advantage at all...the devs are just working on the NAND version for android just for fun.
stop spewing more BS than what we already have. I think you need to learn how a RAM operates when you say "everything gets booted into ram."
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What BS? Why don't you correct it if there's something incorrect about what I said instead of just saying its BS. If I'm not understanding it correctly or not explaining it correctly, I would like to know.
I didn't use the right wording when I said everything gets booted into ram... I meant it is loaded onto ram. Everything runs from ram, whether its stored on SD or nand.
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What BS? Why don't you correct it if there's something incorrect about what I said instead of just saying its BS. If I'm not understanding it correctly or not explaining it correctly, I would like to know.
I didn't use the right wording when I said everything gets booted into ram... I meant it is loaded onto ram. Everything runs from ram, whether its stored on SD or nand.
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Where do you get your facts about SD cards dont consume that much power?
When you say "everything gets booted to ram," do you really know what you're referring to?
And how are the SD card being accessed? and if it happens only intermittently, why would the Devs care so much about NAND?
SD cards don't make noticeable differences in power consumption? Better tell the devs to stop wasting their time with NAND development and start working on better drivers, then.
Quick summary: don't be confused with an OS and its bootloader (which is the main part of the bolded section). You've been here for over 3yrs so you should know the difference. In case you haven't, do a quick search around the boards. Only a bootloader gets loaded onto the RAM, the rest (i'll let you figure out what that refers to) runs on the SD card, which is why NAND development is such a BIG DEAL.
Nothing runs from SD or nand... they are persistent storage and are too slow too run anything from. Everything runs from ram. The SD or nand are accessed when data needs to be read or written from them. The os is running from ram... when you open a new app, the necessary data is read from the SD or nand and moved to ram to run. That's why opened programs take up ram and people kill tasks to free up ram. The SD card is not constantly being used when android is running. If it was, then all this power you say that the SD card is eating up would still be sucking all that power while your phone is sleeping, as android is still running.
The SD card does use some power when it's accessed a lot... but it doesn't use that much power. I really don't think nand is going to affect the battery life as much as people think.
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Is there any need to run sd speed increase with rooted gingerbread? Is it safe to use?
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I have been using sd speed increase since switching to pre-rooted GB. Initial setting was 128kb now 2048kb. No problems so far.
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Ya same here no problems yet.
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No problems here yet with stock SD card settings built into GB update. I really think Motorola devs probably scoured these forums looking for bugs to fix and did a good job of fixing them. Probably why it took so long.
Stock still uses the 128 value, so yes using sdspeed increase will still help you.
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Can anyone confirm if the SD Speed Increase app changes cache settings for the internal or external card?
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SD Speed Increase, Increases Your SD Card. I Also Have System Tuner Which Speeds Up My Internal.
Mike,
I was originally using both, as well.
Today, I found that changes to the cache setting in STP were mirrored in SD Speed Increase -- which leads me to believe that they are both acting on the same card ... the internal one.
Moreover, my 32gb/Class 10 Patriot card is still benchmarking at some horrendously slow speeds.
Pj
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Mike,
I was originally using both, as well.
Today, I found that changes to the cache setting in STP were mirrored in SD Speed Increase -- which leads me to believe that they are both acting on the same card ... the internal one.
Moreover, my 32gb/Class 10 Patriot card is still benchmarking at some horrendously slow speeds.
Pj
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Interesting That You Say That, So That Means STP Was Lying And Giving Flase Information?
I did a few tests moving a 256mb mp3 to the sdcard and stock was sitting at 1-1.2mb/sec and after installing sd speed increase and a reboot it was 1.5-1.7mb/sec. I consider both of those horrific and might need to get off this stock card.
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Interesting That You Say That, So That Means STP Was Lying And Giving Flase Information?
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Mike,
Try changing the cache size in STP - which should effect the internal card - and then check the cache value in SD Speed Increase.
Mine ended up being the same.
Do you get a different result?
Pj
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Mike,
Try changing the cache size in STP - which should effect the internal card - and then check the cache value in SD Speed Increase.
Mine ended up being the same.
Do you get a different result?
Pj
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Still The Same, Two Different Numbers. My Phone Is F-ed Up If You Ask Me, I Haven't Been Able To Run Stupid Antutu Benchmark Since Day 1.
You guys are talking about STP by 3c correct?
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Can anyone confirm if the SD Speed Increase app changes cache settings for the internal or external card?
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It only changes the cache size for the internal memory.
I emailed the dev a few weeks ago, he said he's going to think about giving people with phones like ours (X2, Atrix, etc) the option to mod our external card in a future version.
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It only changes the cache size for the internal memory.
I emailed the dev a few weeks ago, he said he's going to think about giving people with phones like ours (X2, Atrix, etc) the option to mod our external card in a future version.
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Thanks Juhde, Glad To Know I'm Not Going Crazy. Yes STP By 3c.
So as of right now, we don't have an easy way of changing cache settings for external cards ... darn it.
Any ideas on how to do this manually?
Pj
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So as of right now, we don't have an easy way of changing cache settings for external cards ... darn it.
Any ideas on how to do this manually?
Pj
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I Was Referring To Why I Have Two Numbers Is 3c Does My Internal And SD Card Speed Increase By Diego Stamigni *Free* For My External.
Mike,
I think Juhde confirmed that SD Speed Increase only changes cache for our internal sd card.
I read a thread somewhere - started by the developer - where the issue of internal and external cards was discussed. Apparently, there is a manual workaround for other android phones with the same int/ext card issue.
I will try and locate that thread ...
Pj
pdinphx said:
Mike,
I think Juhde confirmed that SD Speed Increase only changes cache for our internal sd card.
I read a thread somewhere - started by the developer - where the issue of internal and external cards was discussed. Apparently, there is a manual workaround for other android phones with the same int/ext card issue.
I will try and locate that thread ...
Pj
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Ahh Okay, Sounds Like A Plan. I'd Really Be Interested If You Can Find It.
Mike et al,
Here's the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010807
I haven't read through the entire post ... 66 pages.
And I definitely don't have the know-how to script the workaround, if there even is one that will work for the DX2.
Pj
For the short time that I was running oxide vs Eclipse in antutu I noticed huge differences in the SD speeds. For Eclipse SD write 6.1 and Read of 7.1 (not sure if antutu is benching internal or external now) Oxide I was getting write speeds of 19 and read 22. SD speed increase doesn't seem to do much, that or it only affects the internal speed perhaps? Is there anything that I can add to the build.prop or any flashable file that would truly increase the speed? I did see in the changelog credits were given to navendrob for sd speed increase. Any suggestions? Thank you.
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For the short time that I was running oxide vs Eclipse in antutu I noticed huge differences in the SD speeds. For Eclipse SD write 6.1 and Read of 7.1 (not sure if antutu is benching internal or external now) Oxide I was getting write speeds of 19 and read 22. SD speed increase doesn't seem to do much, that or it only affects the internal speed perhaps? Is there anything that I can add to the build.prop or any flashable file that would truly increase the speed? I did see in the changelog credits were given to navendrob for sd speed increase. Any suggestions? Thank you.
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App Free In The Market. Changes Both Internal And External Speeds. Needs Root.
SD-Booster By Daniel Mehrmann (Akusari)
Gave it a try and stil the same write/read speeds .
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Gave it a try and stil the same write/read speeds .
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You Got To Be Doing Something Wrong. You Have Root, Checked At Boot, And Apply.
Curious if this tweak does anything for performance as in will my apps load faster and run smoother? Or is it really just for copying and moving files? Not that my apps take long to load mist of the time.
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Curious if this tweak does anything for performance as in will my apps load faster and run smoother? Or is it really just for copying and moving files? Not that my apps take long to load mist of the time.
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I Wanna Say That I Read Somewhere It Should As It's Reading Faster. I'll Let Someone Conquer If That Statement Is True.
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I Wanna Say That I Read Somewhere It Should As It's Reading Faster. I'll Let Someone Conquer If That Statement Is True.
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So what's going to be my max speeds using that app that I can attain and at what setting? It seems to slow down the higher the number I put
What would u recommend?
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So what's going to be my max speeds using that app that I can attain and at what setting? It seems to slow down the higher the number I put
What would u recommend?
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The Recommended Is 2048, I Have Mine Set At 2000 Only Cuz I Like A Solid Number.
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The Recommended Is 2048, I Have Mine Set At 2000 Only Cuz I Like A Solid Number.
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And what speeds are you getting with that setting?
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And what speeds are you getting with that setting?
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I Checked It A Couple Times, I Was Getting Peaks Of 10Mbs.
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I Checked It A Couple Times, I Was Getting Peaks Of 10Mbs.
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Thanks. I just checked twice. First time read was 15 second was 17.
Also one more quest I forgot. Is this tweaking the internal or external sd? When I try to choose which sd to test in antutu it has /sdcard and then the bunch of /usb ones that I see in script manager at /mnt. So im wondering if moving my app to media area un application management is putting the app on my external or just a special spot on the internal. They really made this sd card crap confusing Hahaha it could have been a lot mire simpler
And also is there a way to check ny external sd speed if this IS my internal.
And do I need an app2sd app from market to actually put my apps that support that on the external if moving to media area is just a special internal space?
And thanks again for ya help mike.
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Thanks. I just checked twice. First time read was 15 second was 17.
Also one more quest I forgot. Is this tweaking the internal or external sd? When I try to choose which sd to test in antutu it has /sdcard and then the bunch of /usb ones that I see in script manager at /mnt. So im wondering if moving my app to media area un application management is putting the app on my external or just a special spot on the internal. They really made this sd card crap confusing Hahaha it could have been a lot mire simpler
And also is there a way to check ny external sd speed if this IS my internal.
And do I need an app2sd app from market to actually put my apps that support that on the external if moving to media area is just a special internal space?
And thanks again for ya help mike.
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It Changes Both Int/Ext. As For Testing Them Seperately I'm Not Aware Of Any Apps. You Can Try Google But I Tried The Market Apps And Motorola Is NOT Supported. If You Go Out And Find Something Useful Please Bring It Up In This Thread. Good Luck Boss.
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It Changes Both Int/Ext. As For Testing Them Seperately I'm Not Aware Of Any Apps. You Can Try Google But I Tried The Market Apps And Motorola Is NOT Supported. If You Go Out And Find Something Useful Please Bring It Up In This Thread. Good Luck Boss.
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Thanks.
I will check around but I dint think my google is any different than ur google Hahaha
The only place I think I would have any chance to find something is one of these forums.
It has root access and is set for set to boot. Antutu is still only reading 5mb/s read and write w/a class 10 SD card. Derp.
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It has root access and is set for set to boot. Antutu is still only reading 5mb/s read and write w/a class 10 SD card. Derp.
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What number do u have set? Im at 2048 like mike said and my read is down at 6it or 7 but my read is 15 and 17
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What number do u have set? Im at 2048 like mike said and my read is down at 6it or 7 but my read is 15 and 17
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2048 is what I have it set as.
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2048 is what I have it set as.
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I really wish I could help u figure this out.
Do you have any scripts running?
Have you tried making superuser forget sdboost and then allow It again.
Just trying for the simple first.
do u have the sdflip hack to switch which sd cards your phone recognized where?
Any specific tweaks you have going on?
I am also ob eclipse rom but ver.2.1 not the newest since I didn't have any problems on it and that's all the new version fixed was accounts and camera.
Also I see navendrob has the sd increase included in the init.d hack (BSR flashable) I just haven't tried it yet because I am running scripts and have my phone set to what I want right now. That would be the only tweak I wanna try at least tonight. Im hoping to try and get it separate from the others somehow.
Don't know if you want to try that out and just delete sdboost app if it works.
I am curious if oxide had the tweak that switches how your phone views the sd cards.
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Also I see navendrob has the sd increase included in the init.d hack (BSR flashable) I just haven't tried it yet because I am running scripts and have my phone set to what I want right now. That would be the only tweak I wanna try at least tonight. Im hoping to try and get it separate from the others somehow.
Don't know if you want to try that out and just delete sdboost app if it works.
I am curious if oxide had the tweak that switches how your phone views the sd cards.
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Thanks for all your responses. I am curious as well if that's what Oxide does, cause I got GREAT speeds on my SD. Another thing of interest on nenamark on oxide i got like 54-56 fps vs 46-47 on Eclipse. But after a reboot on Oxide the frames drop back down to 46-47 on nenamark. However as per the SD speeds they are quite good. I tried the SD program first, then the init hack as well. Both have same results, but slight increases. I also installed the blurbuild prop zip as well. Hmm..
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Thanks for all your responses. I am curious as well if that's what Oxide does, cause I got GREAT speeds on my SD. Another thing of interest on nenamark on oxide i got like 54-56 fps vs 46-47 on Eclipse. But after a reboot on Oxide the frames drop back down to 46-47 on nenamark. However as per the SD speeds they are quite good. I tried the SD program first, then the init hack as well. Both have same results, but slight increases. I also installed the blurbuild prop zip as well. Hmm..
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Yeah I did the build.prop zip earlier and on top of that I run v6 update 9to with megaram2 setting with oom grouping fix and htk launcher. Also have safer KAK running also and my phone is runnin really nice right now. I will be tweaking some of it here and there. I haven't tried oxide yet. I have it downloaded just haven't wanted to switch yet.
Probly will try it at some point after a nandroid and all but am busy with other things for now.
Which sd program ar u talking about? The one that switch recognition?
I found that the build prop edit alone from navendrob made my.music skips return until I ran v6 with it. It did make my phone pretty snappy but I find it even better complimented with v6.
Its like good beer and cheese. It just goes together
I have around a strange persistant problem.
I have around 250MB of internal app storage space left and used about 650Mb of storage of apps on my external 32Gb SDHC card.
I am using autostarts and task manager to manage the start up of apps and stop things running which works really well at prolonging battery life to the point where I reach a good 14 hours with heavy use on battery (I have five e-mail accounts pushed all sorts of widgets and use the phone fairly heavily on an average day, admittedly I get a little less if I use multimedia to any extent) I am using a stock 2.3.5 build from which I have removed some bloat stuff so I have about 35MB of rom storage left. It's rooted and has CWM installed etc.
In total I have something approaching 650 app elements in Titanium Backup depending on what I do or dont have installed at any given point.
Without the SD card the phone boots fine everytime. With the SD card in depending on the amount of .asec files in the .android secure folder the phone will often boot up and then during the processes after boot semi crash. By this I mean it will boot up then about 2-5minutes during the afterboot it will stop working and drop in a loop where it is still trying to run after boot process like scanning for media and stuff but loses connection with the carrier and then loops. Removing the sdhc card and moving some of the .asec files out of the the .androidsecure folder usually fixes this. It does not come up with safe mode or anything like that.
Has anyone else experienced this? Have I simply reached the limits of what the phone can do? My guess is that the problem lies with the process of copying/unpacking the .asec files into the /mnt/asec structure?
Can anyone offer any useful advice the 32Gb SDHC card is only class 2 (all that was available when I got it) I am thinking a faster one MIGHT solve the issue but that seems only a possibility and investing in a new card simply to find out it doesnt fix the issue would be a relatively expensive mistake. Has anyone else found similar limits?
You realise that's intimidatingly long to read right? Please write in shorter forms.
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Not exactly helpful... Its far better to have a decent descriptive long post than people who writes "I have tons of apps but I get problem with connection".
@op I also have a tons of apps, fairly close to the amount you have, but still have quite a bit of space left, do you make a lot of backups and such? Check your SD card, because I remember a post here saying that deleting files within the lost folder can save space. (some people lost GBs, some just a few MBs) Best if someone here can confirm its safe to delete the files within though.
A known problem with some phones is 32GB cards some work well others dont some phones play up others dont .64GB even worse .
jje
Hmmmm seems like you are stressing the filesystem's/IO scheduler's timeout limit to the max with a class 2 card.
I would recommend you doing two things:
a) You have your phone rooted, try installing SiyahKernel, Voltage Control and change the I/O schedulers - thru set on boot -> init.d script (try alternating between noop, sio, bfq and VR), if that still doesn't help, try adding Thunderbolt Scripts as well - especially the remount script via script manager (links in my sig).
b) Try a different rom perhaps? Stock ROMs are not the most optimized things under the sun in terms of SGS2... back up your media to your PC, do a nandroid/titanium backup to your external sdcard and try flashing another rom. If it doesn't work, you can always restore the nandroid.
Hope it helped somewhat ^^
Thanks for the advice guys, think I might see if I cant test a faster card off a mate see if that helps.
Otherwise I will try that syrah kernel and scripts, not too keen to go for custom roms my experience of them with the galaxy s was they all seemed to have a major bug that I couldn't live with I always ened up back on stock with mods. Haven't really tested any on the s2 but if I were to I would need to be very stable with very few bugs. I also kind of like some of the samsung stuff? for example I'm using a hack versions (fragg0rs) of TW4 with it I can run the buddies now widgit from the original galaxy s and I love that. nearest thing I can find to the carosel I used to get on the samsung omnia i8910 (great phone badly let down by symbian)
To the guy that criticised the length of the original post on top of what else that has already been said, do you have the first clue about troubleshooting? especially an issue that is not referenced anywhere else? The golden rule is the more information the better. This is an issue I have been working around now for several months, I have been searching for similar (on and off not obsessively) issues posted anywhere and found nothing that helps but thanks for your rather pointless input stick to helping with the noob posts eh?
This is known problem. I have this problem too.
Several threads already talked about this since long time ago.
Here are some of threads exactly describing same problem with OP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1285844
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1102920
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328191
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1446961
That last one is the thread I created last month and still active until now.
So here is the summary:
- This problem is side effect since ROM version 2.3.5.
- Version 2.3.4 and earlier does not have this problem.
- This problem still exists in ICS LPB leak
- It seems that Samsung does not know about this problem.
The only workaround solution:
- Downgrade to version 2.3.4 or below
For us who have this problem, please add your post to the thread I created above (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1446961) and rate high to keep the thread alive so it will get attention from many users and hopefully from Samsung.
you just saved me money buying a new card thanks for that.
Today I got the dreaded notification that has haunted my past xperias for years, you have low storage memory available
I'm an app hoarder and keep apps ill probably never use for months.
I remember seeing an article somewhere that moving apps to the sd card can really slow down your phone. I hope that this won't happen to my phone and am wondering if anyone else has moved apps to internal storage and does it affect the speed?
My xs has been very good to me and barely ever lags, something that I have never experienced unfortunately, I hope it stays that way :S
In short...
Q. Does moving apps or anything in general to internal storage affect the speed of the XS? Have you noticed any difference?
Bump, why isn't anyone answering :'(
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Bump, why isn't anyone answering :'(
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because your question is easily google-able... heck even if u're using a little logic, u can answer the question urself.
A: the answer is NO. it's in the same memory chip (the 32 gB one), so the speed is must be the same. the difference maybe will come in the filesystem (ext4 v fat32), but afaik the speed different is really minimal (if any )