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Hi people, had my TyTN for over 2 weeks now (HTC Branded tytn....HT628 serial number)
Just have a few questions:
1. Are upgrades easily done on the TyTN
2. What are these 'ROMs' i keep hearing about??
3. What KILLER apps do people use on it??
(excuse my newbie-ness)
Thanks.
You cant be serious...or you simply just have more money than brains.
1. Yes, but be prepared to re-install all of your apps.
2. Roms are basically the core operating system for the TyTn's, Roms and upgrade go hand in hand(ie, to upgrade your tytn you put a new rom on it)
3. Check out SBSH software and SPB software, both companies make alot of software alot of people use, there is also an abundant amount of freeware out there.
For reviews of applications, pop over here
For a list of apps that are considered 'must haves' check here
ChaoticDruid said:
You cant be serious...or you simply just have more money than brains.
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ChaoticDruid - Give the guy a chance.. we all started somewhere moving to your first "smartphone" must have left you asking some questions too...
ChaoticDruid said:
You cant be serious...or you simply just have more money than brains.
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I'm sorry has my asking questions on a forum offended you in some way?? why bother replying if uve got nothing constructive to say.
Umm, I just got my first cell phone, a LG C2000 about 3 months ago, and have yet to get a TyTN, all I know is before I spend $750 on a device, I read reviews and such, and the first review I read something about ROM's, and well I didnt know about ROM's, but a very easy search on google led me to the answer, and what do you know...during my research, I came across many forums with "must have" software for the TyTN, I'm not out to flame people..but when someone apparently has not even helped themselves at all, I just cant always keep my mouth shut.
It's like this dude bought a TyTN cause it looked cool, showed it off to his friends for a few weeks, and now wants to know how to use it.
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Umm, I just got my first cell phone, a LG C2000 about 3 months ago, and have yet to get a TyTN, all I know is before I spend $750 on a device, I read reviews and such, and the first review I read something about ROM's, and well I didnt know about ROM's, but a very easy search on google led me to the answer, and what do you know...during my research, I came across many forums with "must have" software for the TyTN, I'm not out to flame people..but when someone apparently has not even helped themselves at all, I just cant always keep my mouth shut.
It's like this dude bought a TyTN cause it looked cool, showed it off to his friends for a few weeks, and now wants to know how to use it.
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In the words of that great scholar, Bill Murray: Lighten up, Francis! This is a board to help others, not to stomp on them...
sorry
ChaoticDruid said:
Umm, I just got my first cell phone, a LG C2000 about 3 months ago, and have yet to get a TyTN, all I know is before I spend $750 on a device, I read reviews and such, and the first review I read something about ROM's, and well I didnt know about ROM's, but a very easy search on google led me to the answer, and what do you know...during my research, I came across many forums with "must have" software for the TyTN, I'm not out to flame people..but when someone apparently has not even helped themselves at all, I just cant always keep my mouth shut.
It's like this dude bought a TyTN cause it looked cool, showed it off to his friends for a few weeks, and now wants to know how to use it.
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I read PLENTY of reviews....even saw the mobilitytoday.com podcast about it...it was such reviews that drew my attention to it in the first place. I was going for the P990i. Dont tar people with the newbie brush when all they ask is a simple set of questions! Im sure there are only a minority (when compared to the size of the userbase) of people who actually know anything about ROMs and upgrading. How many O2 customers have an XDA and arent aware of what ROMs do/are....MANY im sure.
Im just sorry my first post became the bait of a flameboy..........rant over
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ChaoticDruid said:
Umm, I just got my first cell phone, a LG C2000 about 3 months ago, and have yet to get a TyTN, all I know is before I spend $750 on a device, I read reviews and such, and the first review I read something about ROM's, and well I didnt know about ROM's, but a very easy search on google led me to the answer, and what do you know...during my research, I came across many forums with "must have" software for the TyTN, I'm not out to flame people..but when someone apparently has not even helped themselves at all, I just cant always keep my mouth shut.
It's like this dude bought a TyTN cause it looked cool, showed it off to his friends for a few weeks, and now wants to know how to use it.
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I read PLENTY of reviews....even saw the mobilitytoday.com podcast about it...it was such reviews that drew my attention to it in the first place. I was going for the P990i. Dont tar people with the newbie brush when all they ask is a simple set of questions! Im sure there are only a minority (when compared to the size of the userbase) of people who actually know anything about ROMs and upgrading. How many O2 customers have an XDA and arent aware of what ROMs do/are....MANY im sure.
Im just sorry my first post became the bait of a flameboy..........rant over
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mrvanx - On behlaf of PPC users everywhere, welcome to the show. There are a lot of useful forums out there and plenty of people willing to help out without judgement or frivilous flaming. Anyway, have you gotten your TyTN to make video calls yet? Here in the US, Cingular doesn't support this feature so I haven't been able to use it. Just wondering.
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....have you gotten your TyTN to make video calls yet? Here in the US, Cingular doesn't support this feature so I haven't been able to use it. Just wondering.
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Yer ive only made one video call so far as not many people i know have a 3G handset, unfortunatly it wasnt cross network so im yet to see if the networks here in the UK (T-Mobile, Vodefone, 3, Orange and O2) are cooperating with eachother...(MMS wasnt FULLY cross network until about a year into it!!!!)
The person in question has a clamshell-type Samsung handset and the video quality between was brilliant! My UMTS reception is patchy here in York but it was fine. Ended up getting cut off as the other person lost thier UMTS. As said above this was a video call O2 to O2 so couldnt comment on other networks just yet.
Speedwise my UMTS connection has been as high as 944kbps when tested on bandwidthplace.com which i thought was astonishing!!!
When im out of range for 3G it just reverts back to standard GSM and GPRS.
P.S: Thanks for the encouraging words.
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Reception of TyTN vs Wizard
Hi folks,
Any other input on the reception of the TyTN and it's variants (8525)? I've got myself a KJAM and an 8125 and I have horrible reception at home. Even did the antenna hack - it adds a little, but still spotty.
I'd like to upgrade to the 8525 for 3G and increased processing power, but the cost isn't worth it for me if the reception is still as bad as the Wizard/KJAM/8125.
Thanks.
For months and months since I got my xv6800, I've been asking vzw reps, tech support morons, and WDTS people when OUR RevA/GPS software update will be released. Every time I ask I get the same response.
"Your handset is not EVDO Rev A upgradable"
"Your handset doesn't have GPS in it"
The HTC website never helped either because under specifications it never said anything about RevA capabilities, so I was forced to bite my tongue and just accept Verizon's stupidity.
Well HTC finally added it to their list of specifications. It's been like that for the Mogul and other Titan variants now for a while and now it's there for the xv6800.
http://www.htc.com/us/product.aspx?id=11150
What's Verizon gonna say now when I whip up that website and ask why the MANUFACTURER would list it as a capability if supposedly "my handset is not EVDO RevA upgradable?"
They'll be forced to look me in the eye and tell me the truth. They're too money hungry and lazy to step it up and get the software update going. They're too busy thinking up their next piece of **** application for Get It Now and developing new ways to screw their customers out of more money.
Granted I've had RevA and GPS working since the leak, but still...it's the principle!
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please let me know what they say when you call. I would love to hear it.
now, if they would only put something that says to some extent "upgradeable to 128mb ram" (one can hope...)
thanks
Please remember, you are talking to some lowly, near minimum wage customer service employee. Even if he wanted to give you a truthful answer, the truth is, he probably just doesnt know jack s***.
Save the effort and frustration, go with a custom ROM and live a happy life.
gcincotta said:
For months and months since I got my xv6800, I've been asking vzw reps, tech support morons, and WDTS people when OUR RevA/GPS software update will be released. Every time I ask I get the same response.
"Your handset is not EVDO Rev A upgradable"
"Your handset doesn't have GPS in it"
The HTC website never helped either because under specifications it never said anything about RevA capabilities, so I was forced to bite my tongue and just accept Verizon's stupidity.
Well HTC finally added it to their list of specifications. It's been like that for the Mogul and other Titan variants now for a while and now it's there for the xv6800.
http://www.htc.com/us/product.aspx?id=11150
What's Verizon gonna say now when I whip up that website and ask why the MANUFACTURER would list it as a capability if supposedly "my handset is not EVDO RevA upgradable?"
They'll be forced to look me in the eye and tell me the truth. They're too money hungry and lazy to step it up and get the software update going. They're too busy thinking up their next piece of **** application for Get It Now and developing new ways to screw their customers out of more money.
Granted I've had RevA and GPS working since the leak, but still...it's the principle!
/endrant
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Who gives a ****? We know it's capable and to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't run their bloatware version of WM even if they released an update. Verizon sucks ass, we all know it. So why beat a dead horse?
Who gives a ****? We know it's capable and to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't run their bloatware version of WM even if they released an update. Verizon sucks ass, we all know it. So why beat a dead horse?
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Ha do you think I would actually run their software update? It's just the mere principle. Don't forget though...if they finally do release an update we may get a new, better radio out of it.
Please remember, you are talking to some lowly, near minimum wage customer service employee. Even if he wanted to give you a truthful answer, the truth is, he probably just doesnt know jack s***.
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I've spoken with people high up on the food chain before that actually do know a thing or two about this stuff. In fact, one time I spoke with a tier 2 WDTS rep who was intrigued when I informed him that it in fact WAS capable. I stayed on the phone with him as I directed him to these forums while he read all about it. He said it's bs that they're being told to inform customers that it's not capable after reading.
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Who gives a ****? We know it's capable and to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't run their bloatware version of WM even if they released an update. Verizon sucks ass, we all know it. So why beat a dead horse?
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there are some things i want for vz that i can only get from a vz update.
carriers supporting their products is a good thing, whether you run their firmware or not.
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there are some things i want for vz that i can only get from a vz update.
carriers supporting their products is a good thing, whether you run their firmware or not.
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Hence the comment "Verizon sucks ass, we all know it"
My point is why complain about something that is already known and established. I don't see you *****ing about Verizon. You know they suck, you wish they would support their hardware more, but you also know there isn't alot you can do about it. There has been so much put into the Titan community lately and yet people still *****. Sorry I just get tired of all the complaining done in these forums. I just think it's stupid to waste data space and a thread in this site to complain. I think everytime I'm unhappy I'm gonna start a thread just so I can ***** about it. This site is for technical data. Not someone's personal conquest to whine.
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H..... This site is for technical data. Not someone's personal conquest to whine.
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It's funny, you're doing a lot of *****ing and whining in this thread; just leave it alone.
Hence the comment "Verizon sucks ass, we all know it"
My point is why complain about something that is already known and established. I don't see you *****ing about Verizon. You know they suck, you wish they would support their hardware more, but you also know there isn't alot you can do about it. There has been so much put into the Titan community lately and yet people still *****. Sorry I just get tired of all the complaining done in these forums. I just think it's stupid to waste data space and a thread in this site to complain. I think everytime I'm unhappy I'm gonna start a thread just so I can ***** about it. This site is for technical data. Not someone's personal conquest to whine.
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You really need to learn to get a clue. In no way was my post "*****ing" or "complaining" about Verizon. I was merely pointing out that the times in the past when I was told certain things have come to an end because certain facts have finally been made public. If you can't see that then you need a lot of help my friend.
This site is for "technical data". What exactly is "technical data"? It's people like you that start the flames in these threads, not me. If you knew anything about this stuff you'd know that with carrier software updates comes updated radio roms, pri updates, driver updates, os updates, and more. Do you think these roms and kitchens just popped up out of nowhere? They magically created themselves? No, they came from official carrier releases and were extracted, cleaned, and tweaked. dcd and I have been looking for a solution for people to refresh their pri in case they accidentally let customizations run. A Verizon software update may contain something very useful in the extended rom that could help us develop it. I bet you didn't know that though right?
You've made it clear to everyone that YOU are the one who likes to "*****" and "complain", not me.
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You really need to learn to get a clue. In no way was my post "*****ing" or "complaining" about Verizon. I was merely pointing out that the times in the past when I was told certain things have come to an end because certain facts have finally been made public. If you can't see that then you need a lot of help my friend.
This site is for "technical data". What exactly is "technical data"? It's people like you that start the flames in these threads, not me. If you knew anything about this stuff you'd know that with carrier software updates comes updated radio roms, pri updates, driver updates, os updates, and more. Do you think these roms and kitchens just popped up out of nowhere? They magically created themselves? No, they came from official carrier releases and were extracted, cleaned, and tweaked. dcd and I have been looking for a solution for people to refresh their pri in case they accidentally let customizations run. A Verizon software update may contain something very useful in the extended rom that could help us develop it. I bet you didn't know that though right?
You've made it clear to everyone that YOU are the one who likes to "*****" and "complain", not me.
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RE: Rev A and GPS
Both the HTC site and Verizon say nothing of being GPS capable, yet there are people using GPS right now through avaialbe kitchens.
I love verizon. I have gotten nothing but "great" support from them with all 19 of my phones. (Starting with MotoV265 (5) MotoV710(4) MotoE815 (1) MotoQ (4) Treo700wx (3) and finally my XV6800 (2) all in only 3.5 years)
On a serious note though, the reason that they won't release GPS for it is because they can't regulate its use very well on their system. Their other phones use VZNav on the BREW enabled phones but, as far as I know, our phones don't do BREW.
PS. Can I ***** and complain a little too here?
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Both the HTC site and Verizon say nothing of being GPS capable, yet there are people using GPS right now through avaialbe kitchens.
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There is a great difference between not listing a specification to denying its capability.
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There is a great difference between not listing a specification to denying its capability.
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i just talked to a verizon tech suport rep, she helped me reset my data after messing it up.
but at the end of the call, i asked "i heard about this rev A thing...is our phone capable of that?" and she looked it up and said yes it is.
she also said she wasnt aware of any plans to do any kind of software update that would enable it, and she said she wouldnt know about it until it was released..
then just for $hits and giggles, i asked, what about gps. can this phone do that? and she said like for what? navigation? i said, yeh, for navigation, for google maps, something like that.
she said since google maps is 3rd party software, she wouldnt be able to tell me for sure if it would work. But i asked is our phone capable of gps?
and she said "yes, it is capable, but its not supported"
i guess that means since they dont have any software that could use it, and since they dont support 3rd part software, the can still say its capable, without actually enabling it on a stock rom.
just my experience about 20 min ago
gbenj said:
i just talked to a verizon tech suport rep, she helped me reset my data after messing it up.
but at the end of the call, i asked "i heard about this rev A thing...is our phone capable of that?" and she looked it up and said yes it is.
she also said she wasnt aware of any plans to do any kind of software update that would enable it, and she said she wouldnt know about it until it was released..
then just for $hits and giggles, i asked, what about gps. can this phone do that? and she said like for what? navigation? i said, yeh, for navigation, for google maps, something like that.
she said since google maps is 3rd party software, she wouldnt be able to tell me for sure if it would work. But i asked is our phone capable of gps?
and she said "yes, it is capable, but its not supported"
i guess that means since they dont have any software that could use it, and since they dont support 3rd part software, the can still say its capable, without actually enabling it on a stock rom.
just my experience about 20 min ago
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You'd all be smart to switch to Sprint with your xv6800s. I think they'll let you do it. you may have to pay $100 to $200 to get out of your contract with Verizon. It will be worth it once your accounts are set up properly. Sprint has the worst customer service, but at least they are trying to get WM6.1 up. The GPS works great on the Mogul. Your xv6800 hardware is identical to the Mogul. You should be able to Hard SPL, flash a Sprint ROM, and then go in and get you phone set up on Sprint. Check this forum carefully for details and follow instructions carefully.
Spr0ckEt said:
I love verizon. I have gotten nothing but "great" support from them with all 19 of my phones. (Starting with MotoV265 (5) MotoV710(4) MotoE815 (1) MotoQ (4) Treo700wx (3) and finally my XV6800 (2) all in only 3.5 years)
On a serious note though, the reason that they won't release GPS for it is because they can't regulate its use very well on their system. Their other phones use VZNav on the BREW enabled phones but, as far as I know, our phones don't do BREW.
PS. Can I ***** and complain a little too here?
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I agree with you. started with LG VX6000,8000, 8100, 700w 700wx and now this one XV6800...may some day they will tell me the truth and stop and do the right thing
Switch to sprint? Haha, the development community surrounding this phone is so immense that within hours after any carrier releases ANY update, it is ripped, stripped, and rereleased with unicarrier availability. I am running 3.49 on my xv6800, with radio 3.39, so..
Now, Sero is very, very appealing. $30 a month for unlimited Data is heavenly. I have free data due to some technical complications, but my family share plan with 700 minutes for 3 people costs more than 30 times 3.
Lmfao is it really going to make you feel better to take up the time of a rep that can't magically enable the gps function for you? Custom rom is the way to go, it's easy and you don't have to give anyone a headache in the process.
I swear, some of you are either illiterate, or just choose not to read certain parts.
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You really need to learn to get a clue. In no way was my post "*****ing" or "complaining" about Verizon. I was merely pointing out that the times in the past when I was told certain things have come to an end because certain facts have finally been made public. If you can't see that then you need a lot of help my friend.
This site is for "technical data". What exactly is "technical data"? It's people like you that start the flames in these threads, not me. If you knew anything about this stuff you'd know that with carrier software updates comes updated radio roms, pri updates, driver updates, os updates, and more. Do you think these roms and kitchens just popped up out of nowhere? They magically created themselves? No, they came from official carrier releases and were extracted, cleaned, and tweaked. dcd and I have been looking for a solution for people to refresh their pri in case they accidentally let customizations run. A Verizon software update may contain something very useful in the extended rom that could help us develop it. I bet you didn't know that though right?
You've made it clear to everyone that YOU are the one who likes to "*****" and "complain", not me.
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lol.... ya I thought all of the software and drivers just popped out of someone ass My whole point in this ( which you missed totally) is, why start a thread to *****? Either way it really don't matter. Next time I'll keep my personal opinion to myself as I normally do.
The next time you make a thread to ***** maybe you might want to leave out the gay "/endrant" crap. What is a rant, may I ask sir? I'll answer it for you..... It means your *****ing!!!
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It's funny, you're doing a lot of *****ing and whining in this thread; just leave it alone.
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lol... I'm sorry about *****ing about him *****ing or whatever he's gonna call it. Next time I'll roll my eyes and continue without commenting.
I am currently running DCD 3.0.4 and considering upgrading to 3.1.2.
However, I have been reading that a new rom (diamond based or otherwise) is "around the corner".
From those who actually know:
What kind of timeframe are we talking about?
If you don't know anything specific, please do not respond to this post.
As always, thank you for all your hard work on behalf of us undeserving peons.
It'll be soon.
Patience is a virtue.
why do people have to respond like that.
It's rude, disrespectful, and annoying.
he wasn't being impatient. he was just curious.
I've done the same before.
By asking that question, he doesn't mean "hurry up" or "why isn't it ready yet"
he just wants to know, because flashing takes time (to backup and restore etc..) and obviously, he doesn't want to go through all that to flash to dcd 3.1.2, if dcd 3.1.3 is about to get released.
it's really pretty simple
WOW...I didnt find anything wrong with that anwser...In fact I thought it was rude asking that question in the first place..
"What kind of timeframe are we talking about?
If you don't know anything specific, please do not respond to this post"
Considering GCINCOTTA is a developer/tester in this community and contributes daily... I think your a little out of line here.
Considering when you flash a dcd rom...he will probly be the one helping you..or at least would have
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WOW...I didnt find anything wrong with that anwser...In fact I thought it was rude asking that question in the first place..
"What kind of timeframe are we talking about?
If you don't know anything specific, please do not respond to this post"
Considering GCINCOTTA is a developer/tester in this community and contributes daily... I think your a little out of line here.
Considering when you flash a dcd rom...he will probly be the one helping you..or at least would have
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I have to agree with your post - I was new to this only a month or so ago - without DCD and GCINCOTTA - I would never have even attempted doing this to my phone. Due to their help and tireless work/posting/etc, I have a phone that has working GPS, Fast internet downloads, software that I never would have even known about if not for them.
Like the 'OP, I am looking forward to their latest work, however, I can appreciate the time/effort/energy that goes into this and am patiently awaiting their latest release(s).
Due to their timeless help, I have experimented with several roms throughout this board and on other boards, but if they didn't start me off with their patient explanations, I might not have ever gotten to this point (or even known about this).
Thanks and kudos to the experts here that help out - they know who they are.
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why do people have to respond like that.
It's rude, disrespectful, and annoying.
he wasn't being impatient. he was just curious.
I've done the same before.
By asking that question, he doesn't mean "hurry up" or "why isn't it ready yet"
he just wants to know, because flashing takes time (to backup and restore etc..) and obviously, he doesn't want to go through all that to flash to dcd 3.1.2, if dcd 3.1.3 is about to get released.
it's really pretty simple
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Holy smoke, no reason to get all butt hurt. the answer was polite and quite good. gcincotta knows how lame sprint is with their time frames and was just letting the person know to be a bit patient.
"feeelings......nothing more than feeeelings"
it has nothing to do with sprint, and their time frames.
he was asking about a new DCD release.
i'm not butt hurt, i've just seen these kinds of comments all too often.
yes, we're all grateful for DCD and all those that help in ROM dev.
I've seen a simple curious question get attacked (as though the attacker is somehow defending - and sucking up to - their idol, the ROM maker)
you get comments like "this guy does it for free, don't rush him, be grateful."
I agree entirely with those statements, but, asking an approx timeframe is just to avoid constant reformatting.
I personally don't care what the answer is, if it's "soon" or "a long way off" I don't care when it comes, as I know it's free. I just like knowing. (I'm sure we've all reformatted, flash, and got everything set up to see a newer ROM release 4 mins later. it's kinda annoying
wooooooah.. someone need to get layed.. calm down peepz we all equalz..
The point of the post was not to get people riled up. I am sorry.
The point was to calm people down and give them a concept of expectations.
We all know that if you think something is coming in 30 seconds and it doesnt come for half hour, you go crazy. If you think its coming in an hour, then you are surprised by the early release.
It's all a matter of expectations.
I only wrote
"If you don't know anything specific, please do not respond to this post."
so that I didnt get replies like "I'm sure it'll be any minute!" which would only fan the flames of people's impatience.
I did not mean to be impatient or ingratious. I just wanted to potentially save myself (and perhaps others) a few hours of time.
I thought it was relevant to the community when DCD (or others) are expecting to release an upgrade and I have still not, as of yet, received any form of substantive answer.
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it has nothing to do with sprint, and their time frames.
he was asking about a new DCD release.
i'm not butt hurt, i've just seen these kinds of comments all too often.
yes, we're all grateful for DCD and all those that help in ROM dev.
I've seen a simple curious question get attacked (as though the attacker is somehow defending - and sucking up to - their idol, the ROM maker)
you get comments like "this guy does it for free, don't rush him, be grateful."
I agree entirely with those statements, but, asking an approx timeframe is just to avoid constant reformatting.
I personally don't care what the answer is, if it's "soon" or "a long way off" I don't care when it comes, as I know it's free. I just like knowing. (I'm sure we've all reformatted, flash, and got everything set up to see a newer ROM release 4 mins later. it's kinda annoying
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GC is a major tester for DCD and his ROMs. show some respect, he was giving you accurate information as a source.
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GC is a major tester for DCD and his ROMs. show some respect, he was giving you accurate information as a source.
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accurate yes, but the OP asked for specific, if GC had said something like "i work with DCD on the roms, but neither of us can give you anything specific, but it should b soon" we probably would have avoided every subsequent post in this thread
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accurate yes, but the OP asked for specific, if GC had said something like "i work with DCD on the roms, but neither of us can give you anything specific, but it should b soon" we probably would have avoided every subsequent post in this thread
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agreed.
as far as 'accurate information' ???
he said nothing at all!
These people dont do this for a living...they have no deadlines or executives breathing down there back for a release...G was stating that i will be soon...like after the major bugs are addressed...There is no timeline....He could have lied and said tomorrow at 12:37 am
Tell me lies! Tell me sweet little lies!
Now watch it come out tomorrow at 12:37 am...lol...would be sweet if it did though
I thought the OP was a fair question because he wanted to know it he should flash dcd3.1.2 or wait for the diamond inspired roms. I though gc's answer was also fair. He said "it will be soon... (so).. have patience" i.e. don't flash dcd3.1.2 if it is a hassle for you because, with patience, the diamond inspired roms will come.
Now if you really want to have a laugh at people getting their hopes dashed by a missed timeframe you should check out the Athena Project thread. I had weeks of amusement reading that thread. And you know who they were flaming for missing a deadline? - olipro! yeah they guy who made it all possible was getting flamed because he got hammered instead of meeting a deadline. (For those who dont know, without olipros hard and soft SPLs we could not unlock our HTC phones and flash unsigned roms)
So to save themselves the flames and disappointments it is normal for dcd et al to say "soon" rather than "12.37am tomorrow".
As others have pointed out, these guys do this in their spare time, and with the wings in stanley cup finals, some of them are busy at the moment.
Now my 2c worth on the OP question. If you have dcd3.0.4 working well and you are happy with it, I would not see much reason to flash dcd3.1.2 just at the moment. I tried it and have since gone back to dcd3.0.4 and am very happy with it. Although I did flash and keep the new radio 3.39 but to be honest I don't see a great difference.
Um, I believe the OP said....
From those who actually know:
What kind of timeframe are we talking about?
If you don't know anything specific, please do not respond to this post.
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I would like to believe that common sense would have been applied when I responded.
I think my question was fair. I was, and am, being patient. I wasn't trying to be rude or obnoxious or ungrateful.
I think that GC was trying to be helpful, but his post didn't add anything useful as it ignored my request for something specific. Had he not responded at all, I would have known what I know now about the release date - namely nothing.
The great irony is that not one of you knew anything specific, yet you all replied to my post.
Thanks to maccaberry for the constructive input.
I think that GC was trying to be helpful, but his post didn't add anything useful as it ignored my request for something specific.
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I'm afraid "soon" is as specific as it gets at the moment. When work is being done, there is no specific timeframe. Whenever it's tested and working up to standard, it gets released. I could have said something like...in about a week, though something could break in a week that puts if off for another two weeks. Then we'd have new threads and posts saying "I thought it was going to be in about a week..."
gc....you and dc etc. are the reason why meatheads like myself dont still use a rotary phone lol. keep up the good work and keep the good replies coming witt is often needed but not often understood.
http://phandroid.com/2010/10/05/skype-for-android-now-available-worldwide/
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that's right, is doesn't work on the Vibrant.
guess what it does not work on vibrant 2.1
amorek13 said:
guess what it does not work on vibrant 2.1
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It appears that it doesn't work on any galaxy s phone..
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It's a POS app
no Video calling
no group calling
They waited this long to release this Garbage?
Fring was doing an excellent job, until Skype shut them down.
UGH SKYPE is a POS company
Galaxy S owners get the shaft ... yet again! Maybe we should just recognize the fact that AT&T/iPhone 4 is the best game in town and quit trying to play catch up.
There is a GPS fix that allows it to work excellent. Get over it.
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Well, at least we all now know a little more about the two of you. I don't blame you entirely for your disgraceful behavior. Surely your upbringing had a lot to do with it.
I don't see how what I said was inflammatory but perhaps it was misperceived. Allow me to explain: I paid $500 for this device. I honestly don't even need the phone aspect of it. I just need it to access the internet (email, web, etc), then as a media player, and then occasionally as a GPS device. The calling capabilities are literally icing on the cake. Let's just skip the whole GPS part since that needs no introduction. It simply doesn't work (unless you consider your location jumping around every 10 seconds "working" ... yeah, what fun it is to be hearing erroneous directions from your GPS device). T-mobile's voice and data services have been quite paltry in my experience. Calls drop quite often and that's something many Tmo subscribers complain about, especially near downtown and on a NexusOne. Moreover, data takes FOREVER to connect. I could be getting 4mbps/2mbps one second, then 750k/300k the next, then incessant data connection attempts with no data being transmitted ... until I reboot my phone. WTF??? A month ago I was driving from Dallas to San Antonio and got nothing but Edge the whole way down ... all along an interstate highway (albeit one of the worst I've ever seen) ... the phone was even occasionally switching to "G" and it took me forever to remember what that stood for ... GPRS!!! I haven't seen that since the 90s.
If you guys think it is acceptable to get ripped off like that, for hardware and services, by all means continue condoning and promoting Tmo and Sammy's failures and inaction by rewarding them for all that. These phones went on sale 7/15, around the same time Tmo announced their HSPA+ network. Three months later, you expect at least "an" action. No credits, no buy-backs, no remedies ... only failed promises. If you bought a car that couldn't perform as advertised and spec'd, I'm sure you would act differently.
But ... judging from your comments above, you guys are entirely worthy of your fate.
Best,
DCC
P.S. I dislike Apple fanboys just as much as the next guy but at some point we all need to man up to the facts ... the iPhone has the best user experience ... and Windows Phone 7 offers the best development experience (trust me, I have written/am writing apps for all three). The only thing positive about Android in my opinion is the tight integration of all the Google apps and services ... which oddly are not favored by many Android fans on this site ... in addition, they are increasingly being integrated in the other platforms as well (albeit not fast enough). Again, why Android? If it's because you want to be this decade's equivalent of the 90s' Linux geek who spends all day customizing the OS and the environment instead of actually using it and putting to good use, then have fun! Don't feel bad ... most people do not learn from history's lessons either!
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Believe me I hear you, but you make your case weak. Individual experience differs from Joe to Jane.
The biggest advantage of Android over the other's is the hardware support for every major mobile manufacturer.
And Windows Mobile 7? We will see how the numbers look by the Xmas.
Yes, I am a linux geek, but I didn't purchase my phone because I am one.
As for the OP, Skype went downhill once they went to bed with the big red.
So why do you have a tmo vibrant? Why not get an i*hone? There are pros and cons to any device and any carrier...
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Believe me I hear you, but you make your case weak. Individual experience differs from Joe to Jane.
The biggest advantage of Android over the other's is the hardware support for every major mobile manufacturer.
And Windows Mobile 7? We will see how the numbers look by the Xmas.
Yes, I am a linux geek, but I didn't purchase my phone because I am one.
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I really wanted Android to succeed but it hasn't and I'm not necessarily blaming Android itself. I just don't see how I can choose it when the hardware and carrier are dropping the ball. All three (OS, hardware, carrier) are part and parcel. "Hardware support" is not enough when the hardware itself is not cutting it. First the Hero had build quality and connectivity issues, now the Vibrant has an elusive Froyo build and major GPS issues (in response to a previous post, I have yet to see a truly working "fix" and I have installed most if not all of them ... whoever claims it's now perfectly working is smoking something he/she should share with the rest of us).
Thank you for keeping an open mind and I do agree with you that individual experiences will vary but let's agree that this forum is proof that there are major unaddressed problems with this phone.
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So why do you have a tmo vibrant? Why not get an i*hone? There are pros and cons to any device and any carrier...
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Thank you for applying intelligence and not resorting to childish name-calling ... simply put, I left AT&T after a decade of being their customer because my non-iPhone superphones (usually purchased from abroad but compatible with US 3G) were being intentionally disregarded by their network in favor of the iPhone devices out there ... $110 a month for a discriminating data service is not acceptable. iPhones are also a little "too user-friendly" for me. I preferred a more open platform. At this point though, I will settle for a device that "just works". That is what every iPhone user will tell you out there ... the s*** just works. A phone is something that should enable you to do things with it, whether it's productivity, app development, multimedia, services, etc. A phone is not a perpetual hack factory, at least not as a primary device. If people want a side project to play with, great. What I have seen on this forum though is that most people need a phone that works for them, not the other way around.
I am waiting for the first generation WP7 phones to roll out and see what drama will ensue, if any. As you very astutely stated, "there are pros and cons to any device and any carrier". I really enjoy the WP7 mobile app development environment and so long as the phones are not involved in yet another fiasco, I will most likely get one. If not, the iPhone it is.
I'm not trolling and I do not mean to offend hard-core Linux super-users/developers but this business of shoddy phones, shoddy service and endless "hacking" is not right when we're all paying 50-100 a month for service and 200-500 for devices. I am surprised that people are not up in arms about it. There really needs to be a class-action lawsuit over this. I know, a handful of lawyers will just make a shipload of money. Still, companies cannot get away with this sort of negligence. This isn't the first time and it sure as heck won't be the last.
Vote with your dollars and best luck to you,
DCC
If browse over the iphone forums you will see the plethora of posts complaining about this and that on the iphone too.
There is no magic cookie cater for anything, you will always find something to be not up to your standards.
What confuses me the most is people complaining about the features that are not being the prime in the market cliché they are shopping - for instance, neither Android nor iOS are good examples of the enterprise use, but people still insist that my phone does not integrate well with my corporate Exchange environment the way I *want* hence the product sucks.
Everything has its pluses and minuses, it's up to an individual to weigh in the pros and cons to make a conscious buying decision.
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If browse over the iphone forums you will see the plethora of posts complaining about this and that on the iphone too.
There is no magic cookie cater for anything, you will always find something to be not up to your standards.
What confuses me the most is people complaining about the features that are not being the prime in the market cliché they are shopping - for instance, neither Android nor iOS are good examples of the enterprise use, but people still insist that my phone does not integrate well with my corporate Exchange environment the way I *want* hence the product sucks.
Everything has its pluses and minuses, it's up to an individual to weigh in the pros and cons to make a conscious buying decision.
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I really want to say "I hear ya" but here's the deal ...
a) I glanced over the iPhone fora and I am not seeing anything glaring ... mostly basic user ignorance (configuration / customization issues)
b) all the iPhone users I have asked what their biggest complaint is about their phone give me the same "huh?" look ... their phone just works
c) all the major issues with iPhone 4 were addressed with some sort of fix or another, even if all it took was a rubber band ... I have friends who exchanged their phone well after the 30 days because of the proximity sensor issue (just as an example) ... clearly, Apple took ownership of resolving the deal-breaking issues
When I walked into a T-mobile store after the first 30 days and said "I will not put up with this GPS BS" they kindly restated their return policy, gave me Samsung's support number and sent me on my not-so-merry way. When I contacted Samsung, I was told to simply wait for the update as there was no fix for it so a replacement wouldn't accomplish anything. The customer service rep literally laughed when I mentioned a return of the product for refund.
You're absolutely right ... there will always be issues but this isn't a matter of preference or individual taste ... these companies are failing to deliver what they promised and what we have paid for and rightfully deserve. I am in no way saying that the iPhone is perfect; I'm sure I would have something to complain about from time to time ... but when I borrow friends' phones to "play" with, the iPhone is fast and responsive and hasn't failed me once. Load SpeedTest side-by-side. The "Begin Test" button lights up literally instantly. I know the Galaxy S phones have the same hardware. Why is it they can't be as responsive?
As I previously mentioned, I was with AT&T (or one of the companies it acquired or merged with) for over a decade until the Hero came out and I switched to Sprint. Then I went to T-mobile for the Vibrant. I will just make my rounds until I find something that works. My problem is that I get way too overexcited about the technology and jump ship before it has had a chance to prove itself. Right now the iPhone 4 has proved itself fairly well. As I said though, as a mobile apps developer, I really want WP7 to work out so I will _try_ to wait and see. The development experience is "magnifique!"
Best,
DCC
It's really disheartening to see android sinking like this because if googles ignorant attitude. I agree with you, if google woukd be a bit more proactive like Apple or Microsoft (now that they revamped) and set a standard for the OS requirement, quality control. We can all breath better. I have a bad feeling that once wm7 hit, Android will be the new WM6.5, a cheap buggy and unorganized akternative for manuftre and carriers.
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It's really disheartening to see android sinking like this because if googles ignorant attitude. I agree with you, if google woukd be a bit more proactive like Apple or Microsoft (now that they revamped) and set a standard for the OS requirement, quality control. We can all breath better. I have a bad feeling that once wm7 hit, Android will be the new WM6.5, a cheap buggy and unorganized akternative for manuftre and carriers.
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Thank you for chiming in. Hopefully Android will survive, even if only because competition is a good thing. I think most of the issues faced today (so-called fragmentation, etc) will be resolved in the re-architecture being introduced in Android 3.0. I'm more concerned about the carriers and hardware manufacturers closing up shop after a phone has been released and only looking forward to the next model. What good is it if Android survives and succeeds if I am the one left holding the dud? "Oh, just pay another two to five hundred dollars." The worst part is that the user/owner community turns a blind eye to the egregious failures in the name of fandom. That is NOT the way to organize and effect change.
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I really want to say "I hear ya" but here's the deal ...
a) I glanced over the iPhone fora and I am not seeing anything glaring ... mostly basic user ignorance (configuration / customization issues)
b) all the iPhone users I have asked what their biggest complaint is about their phone give me the same "huh?" look ... their phone just works
c) all the major issues with iPhone 4 were addressed with some sort of fix or another, even if all it took was a rubber band ... I have friends who exchanged their phone well after the 30 days because of the proximity sensor issue (just as an example) ... clearly, Apple took ownership of resolving the deal-breaking issues
When I walked into a T-mobile store after the first 30 days and said "I will not put up with this GPS BS" they kindly restated their return policy, gave me Samsung's support number and sent me on my not-so-merry way. When I contacted Samsung, I was told to simply wait for the update as there was no fix for it so a replacement wouldn't accomplish anything. The customer service rep literally laughed when I mentioned a return of the product for refund.
You're absolutely right ... there will always be issues but this isn't a matter of preference or individual taste ... these companies are failing to deliver what they promised and what we have paid for and rightfully deserve. I am in no way saying that the iPhone is perfect; I'm sure I would have something to complain about from time to time ... but when I borrow friends' phones to "play" with, the iPhone is fast and responsive and hasn't failed me once. Load SpeedTest side-by-side. The "Begin Test" button lights up literally instantly. I know the Galaxy S phones have the same hardware. Why is it they can't be as responsive?
As I previously mentioned, I was with AT&T (or one of the companies it acquired or merged with) for over a decade until the Hero came out and I switched to Sprint. Then I went to T-mobile for the Vibrant. I will just make my rounds until I find something that works. My problem is that I get way too overexcited about the technology and jump ship before it has had a chance to prove itself. Right now the iPhone 4 has proved itself fairly well. As I said though, as a mobile apps developer, I really want WP7 to work out so I will _try_ to wait and see. The development experience is "magnifique!"
Best,
DCC
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I guess I went to the apple forums before the proximity sensor issues were resolved, and it was Vibrant GPS Redux over there.
I am glad that Apple took care of the problem after a few updates to their iOS, but as with the GPS issues on our phones the proximity sensor should've been caught during the QA, I am not gonna say anything about Antennagate.
Hopefully GPS will be patched for good on the Vibrant too, and no I do not need the proof that it is addressed with the latest update - faster locks does not mean accuracy.
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Fring was doing an excellent job, until Skype shut them down.
UGH SKYPE is a POS company
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Its those bloody Iphone Users that were clogging up the servers using Fring that caused fring to gett banned from skype
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Its those bloody Iphone Users that were clogging up the servers using Fring that caused fring to gett banned from skype
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Don't let Skype off the hook though ... I used to be a big fan of theirs but they've been very slow with delivering platform-specific clients and they seem to be playing favorites and such. Closing the door on fring, a very, very open solution out there, was a deplorable thing to do.
It doesn't matter folks ... when Google comes out with their VOIP service, and you KNOW they will (Gizmo5 acquisition, etc), all these other (dis-)services will be obliterated. I predict Google will establish its own data-only cell carrier (cause data is all you need anyway) ... hopefully within the next 2-3 years.
I know this thread kinda derailed off topic, but imma put my two cents in.
I do kinda agree with DCC, at my workplace pretty much everyone has some sort of smart phone. When the subject of phones comes up, I am the first one to bang my chest and yell ANDROID~!
But the sad truth is, iphone users like the iphone because IT DOES WHAT THEY NEED IT TO DO. they really dont care about all the stuff we have come to love about android.
So they are happy and content, while we are up till the wee hrs of the morning trying to make our phones have a milli-second faster lol.
And to me its not really trying to make our phones better than the iphone, its me just making my phone better than it was.
I am disappointed in samsung about the lag issue and the gps issue.
I dont complain about it though, cause we are all here at this website to make our phones better than it is from stock. and I am 100 percent sure , once its said and done, this phone will more than satisfy me.
As far as I've read, Fring violated Skype's API and when they were challenged Fring, instead of changing their code, resolved to drop Skype support altogether. It's basically Fring's fault for not playing according to the rules. Fring issued a statement saying that Skype blocked them. It's an unlikely story since Skype has a fairly open API and would be leaving itself open to lawsuit if they did so.
blogs.skype.com/en/2010/07/fring.html
Where are you guys reading or hearing these things from?
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As far as I've read, Fring violated Skype's API and when they were challenged Fring, instead of changing their code, resolved to drop Skype support altogether. It's basically Fring's fault for not playing according to the rules. Fring issued a statement saying that Skype blocked them. It's an unlikely story since Skype has a fairly open API and would be leaving itself open to lawsuit if they did so.
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Umm, definitely NOT from either side's highly partial blog, that's for sure ... which, by the way, you are misquoting. Fring did not drop Skype support all together. They temporarily disabled video calls because Skype and the carriers were *****ing about it (due to the excessive load on their networks). Then they were suddenly blocked from routing connections through Skype. This is an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring who stands alone and is one of the most open companies out there.
I get it, no one here really knows what happened when and why but ... Skype is no victim. On the other hand, the Objectivist in me says Skype should have every right to deny Fring (or any individual, company or group in the world) access to their systems. I just wish they would come out and say it instead of being all sly about it.
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Umm, definitely NOT from either side's highly partial blog, that's for sure ... which, by the way, you are misquoting. Fring did not drop Skype support all together. They temporarily disabled video calls because Skype and the carriers were *****ing about it (due to the excessive load on their networks). Then they were suddenly blocked from routing connections through Skype. This is an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring who stands alone and is one of the most open companies out there.
I get it, no one here really knows what happened when and why but ... Skype is no victim. On the other hand, the Objectivist in me says Skype should have every right to deny Fring (or any individual, company or group in the world) access to their systems. I just wish they would come out and say it instead of being all sly about it.
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Saying that a company violated API publicly when they didn't is libel.
Just answer the question, your smugness, where did you get your info (especially seeing as you're stating that it's an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring. I guess you're one of these people behind these closed doors?
Lemme get your "jump to conclusions" board for you.
Ive done a few searches on this and im coming up stumped. Its been so long since i have been on the factory rom/kernel that i am curious if this particular feature is stock. When people call me from there cellphones, i am getting first and last names on the call display. This is quite possibly the best feature ever (for a used car salesman like myself). It doesn't appear to always show a name for some reason, but the majority of times it is. Is this something the xda community has built for the phones?
Are you saying that it is showing first and last name of people who are NOT already in your contact list?
Yah, This guy called me today from Edmonton, never met him in my life, was calling about a car ad. Ryan XxXxXx, I actually asked him if he was calling me from his cell because his full name was showing. He said Yes.
Doubt it's a phone feature. Check with your carrier.