Guys - I've just come from an HTC Sensation on JBMIUI to a Lumia 620. There is no 620 forum yet but the same question applies AFAIK to all WP8 phones and this is currently the most active WP8 forum - so apologies - I hope this sparks some useful discussion.
I'm on a Vodafone UK work contract with a meager 500MB data allowance each month. Having watched the Jimmy McGee video on the front page of XDA about why he has given up on WP8 (one key reason was his data use trebled from his Android handset), I'm now seriously worried about my own data use.
Vodafone UK don't support Data Sense and won't cap my data use through their systems (as Tesco's can do with one click in their web based account manager - Yea! Go little guys!). Voda do however like to royally stick it to you for exceeding your allowance. One month when they had accidentally removed my data bolt-on, I got a bill for over £400 for just under 700Meg of data - no warnings of approaching or exceeding my limit or of running up a bill 20 times my normal monthly amount - the bastar... er... not nice people!
Thankfully they eventually backed down and even apologised for that little mistake and I am a low enough data user to never have exceeded my data allowance on any other occasion.
BUT - accidentally running up this sort of bill would count as a disciplinary matter with my employer - so - is there any other way anyone has found to accurately monitor / track data usage? If not I'm going to have to switch off data and only turn it on when I absolutely need to - a major pain in the ass and one which kinda defeats the purpose of having a smartphone in the first place
Any suggestions gratefully received, equally, comments from longer term Lumia users who have managed to run their phone without sky-high data use would be good to hear!
BelfastLad said:
Guys - I've just come from an HTC Sensation on JBMIUI to a Lumia 620. There is no 620 forum yet but the same question applies AFAIK to all WP8 phones and this is currently the most active WP8 forum - so apologies - I hope this sparks some useful discussion.
I'm on a Vodafone UK work contract with a meager 500MB data allowance each month. Having watched the Jimmy McGee video on the front page of XDA about why he has given up on WP8 (one key reason was his data use trebled from his Android handset), I'm now seriously worried about my own data use.
Vodafone UK don't support Data Sense and won't cap my data use through their systems (as Tesco's can do with one click in their web based account manager - Yea! Go little guys!). Voda do however like to royally stick it to you for exceeding your allowance. One month when they had accidentally removed my data bolt-on, I got a bill for over £400 for just under 700Meg of data - no warnings of approaching or exceeding my limit or of running up a bill 20 times my normal monthly amount - the bastar... er... not nice people!
Thankfully they eventually backed down and even apologised for that little mistake and I am a low enough data user to never have exceeded my data allowance on any other occasion.
BUT - accidentally running up this sort of bill would count as a disciplinary matter with my employer - so - is there any other way anyone has found to accurately monitor / track data usage? If not I'm going to have to switch off data and only turn it on when I absolutely need to - a major pain in the ass and one which kinda defeats the purpose of having a smartphone in the first place
Any suggestions gratefully received, equally, comments from longer term Lumia users who have managed to run their phone without sky-high data use would be good to hear!
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I'm in the same boat on GiffGaff PAYG.. I ate through £10/data in one day. The trouble is WP8 still has an active data connection even when wireless is turned on. I am not sure if it's just the small period when wireless kicks in from wake, or if it's on all the time, but either way there is unnecessary data usage and no way to disable account sync like you would on Android.. (bar disabling data completely). In my opinion this is a huge bug...
Battery saving seems to disable data sync well, however it also disables location services.
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I'm in the same boat on GiffGaff PAYG.. I ate through £10/data in one day. The trouble is WP8 still has an active data connection even when wireless is turned on. I am not sure if it's just the small period when wireless kicks in from wake, or if it's on all the time, but either way there is unnecessary data usage and no way to disable account sync like you would on Android.. (bar disabling data completely). In my opinion this is a huge bug...
Battery saving seems to disable data sync well, however it also disables location services.
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When the phone is asleep, Wifi is also asleep unless a background app specifically calls for it. Any data access the phone needs while it is asleep is done over the data connection. There fore your phone will always use data when it is asleep, even if you are in a wifi connected area that the phone is setup for. It does this to conserve the battery as seeking a wifi connection all the time uses more battery that the phones radio does.
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When the phone is asleep, Wifi is also asleep unless a background app specifically calls for it. Any data access the phone needs while it is asleep is done over the data connection. There fore your phone will always use data when it is asleep, even if you are in a wifi connected area that the phone is setup for. It does this to conserve the battery as seeking a wifi connection all the time uses more battery that the phones radio does.
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Which is ridiculous imo, neither android nor apple have this behaviour (I have both). Presumably leaving wireless on would be a workaround.
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Which is ridiculous imo, neither android nor apple have this behaviour (I have both). Presumably leaving wireless on would be a workaround.
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Depends on the Android. My HTC Inspire was setup so it would use data while asleep and wifi was only active when it was awake. This maybe a default setting that AT&T phones have. I say this becuase my Desire was also an AT&T phone although I was running energy ROM on it but that ROM worked the way I just described as well.
This is only an issue for those who have very limited data packages and IMO should not be using a smart phone if that is the case in the first place. I had a 2GB package and it was close to being over used each month. So when I got my 920 I went to a 3GB package which is just right for my use. If I go over they charge me 10 bucks for each GB of overage.
If you are unable to get a similar plan in your area then it seems to me the provider is trying to put a cap on smart phone users and that would mean it may not be a good idea to have a smart phone on that provider unless you have money to spare. Just my opinion of course.
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Depends on the Android. My HTC Inspire was setup so it would use data while asleep and wifi was only active when it was awake. This maybe a default setting that AT&T phones have. I say this becuase my Desire was also an AT&T phone although I was running energy ROM on it but that ROM worked the way I just described as well.
This is only an issue for those who have very limited data packages and IMO should not be using a smart phone if that is the case in the first place. I had a 2GB package and it was close to being over used each month. So when I got my 920 I went to a 3GB package which is just right for my use. If I go over they charge me 10 bucks for each GB of overage.
If you are unable to get a similar plan in your area then it seems to me the provider is trying to put a cap on smart phone users and that would mean it may not be a good idea to have a smart phone on that provider unless you have money to spare. Just my opinion of course.
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I had a HTC Desire before the Galaxy Nexus, and I do remember it turning off wireless when asleep, however it never reverted to a data connection. I can't remember how the GN was, always on I think. I've used all three phones on the same contract and the WP8 is the only one that has made a data connection whilst asleep (I would have seen it before in the last three years of use, and its only happened since using this phone).
Agreed that most people have a plan. On Giffgaff in the UK you can buy a plan for a month (a goodybag), however if you use virtually no data (because you are always within the vicinity of wireless) its even cheaper to stay PAYG. Ordinarily I can make £10 last a couple of months for calls and texts (free intra network). But I burned £10 on data in one day last week, and I never even touched the phone!
This is the article I was referring to when I said I thought it was a 'bug':
http://wmpoweruser.com/no-universal-data-counter-feature-in-wp8-as-data-sense-is-carrier-dependent/
Adding insult to injury, Windows Phone 8 still hasn’t solved some of the painful problems of Windows Phone 7: it still leaves mobile data on even when connected to WiFi, and turns WiFi off when the screen is locked, which together can lead to completely unnecessary usage of mobile data. Arguably, solving these two trivial problems would be much more useful to the majority of Windows Phone users than introducing carrier-exclusive data-saving features.
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This is the article I was referring to when I said I thought it was a 'bug':
http://wmpoweruser.com/no-universal-data-counter-feature-in-wp8-as-data-sense-is-carrier-dependent/
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Hasn't this issue been partly rectified with the Portico update? They added a setting to keep WiFi on behind the lock screen. Also If you do not want to use data and sync your accounts manually you can turn on battery saver, as that stops most if not all background syncing and makes you do it manually to save battery, in this case it is more about saving data.
I would highly recommend turning on battery saver and seeing if this reduces your data usage. However just remember you will have to manually sync all your accounts to get updates.
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Hasn't this issue been partly rectified with the Portico update? They added a setting to keep WiFi on behind the lock screen. Also If you do not want to use data and sync your accounts manually you can turn on battery saver, as that stops most if not all background syncing and makes you do it manually to save battery, in this case it is more about saving data.
I would highly recommend turning on battery saver and seeing if this reduces your data usage. However just remember you will have to manually sync all your accounts to get updates.
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Battery saver works well, but (i'm pretty sure) it turns off location services as well, which is a shame.
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Battery saver works well, but (i'm pretty sure) it turns off location services as well, which is a shame.
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I just tested it and you can turn on location with battery saver on. I fired up Nokia drive and everything worked.
Bjd223 said:
I just tested it and you can turn on location with battery saver on. I fired up Nokia drive and everything worked.
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So it does took forever in drive beta, but in HERE Maps worked straight away...
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Well - it was only a matter of time before AT&T stepped in. BGR reports that AT&T is cracking down on people tethering without the appropriate data plan.
This leads me to two questions:
(1) How do you suppose they know who is doing this? (Excessive use? Looking at data flows? etc.)
and
(2) For those who are using tethering without plan, what method do you use and does it make a difference?
(A) Adding APN (via aRoot script or other method).
(B) Modifying existing APNs (via richhed's method).
(C) Using App like Barnacle or Wifi-Tether.
Lets discuss!
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Use C, they can't prove you're doing it. Modifying your APN is an idiotic method to use.
i dont go over 2-3gb much
but i want to know i have it when i needed it
this is totally crap
That report is coming off of the iPhone. It's likely something they've done in iOS 4.3 that checks for something specific. Using the APN method is risky since it's easy for at&t to spot.
I've been tethering my Captivate since August and nothing yet....although I am a light user.
As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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you tell 'em!
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That report is coming off of the iPhone. It's likely something they've done in iOS 4.3 that checks for something specific. Using the APN method is risky since it's easy for at&t to spot.
I've been tethering my Captivate since August and nothing yet....although I am a light user.
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" It is safe to assume that a large portion of the unofficial, tethering populous is jailbroken iPhone users and rooted Android users."
Glad i have unlimited data plan and no need for tethering
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Read on engadget today that AT&T is cracking down on people using tethering without a tethering plan. So far only people that have an Iphone are getting cracked down. I use the APN method. Will this be safe because I dont want to lose my unlimited data plan and get knocked down to 4gb + tether because thats what they are doing.
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i dont believe any android users have gotten the email/text YET. But you wont lose your unlimited data until after you receive the first warning email/text
There was an informative comment in the engadget comments:
For all you wondering how they can tell:
All IP packets have something called a TTL associated with them. It stands for Time To Live. Every "hop" along the network from one router to the next reduces the TTL by one. When it reaches 0, the packet is dropped. This was introduced to keep routing problems from overloading the network. If for example, by some error a packet was going around in a circular path, the TTL would eventually reach 0 and prevent a packet storm.
The thing is, ALL routing devices do this. OSes use standard TTLs. For example, let's say both your iPhone and laptop use 127 for the TTL. AT&T will receive packets from your iPhone with a TTL of 127, but since the packets from your laptop pass through your iPhone first, they arrive at AT&T with a TTL of 126. They can detect a tethered device this way.
Apple uses a TTL of 64 for the iPhone, by the way. So change the TTL on your computer to "65" and there should be no problem. Here's how to do it:
1. Click Start - Search and type “regedit”. This launches the WIndows Registry.
2. In the registry, navigate to the following registry key [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters] HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
\SYSTEM
\CurrentControlSet
\Services
\Tcpip
\Parameters
3. In the right pane, right-click and select New – DWORD (32-bit value) and set its name as “DefaultTTL” and set its value anything between “0? and “255?. The value sets the number of Hops or links the packet traverses before being discarded.
REPORT
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TTL is a good start. However, deeper packet inspection would reveal HTTP requests from sources other than "approved software packages" (i.e. the http request would show a browser name like chrome). Protocols other then HTTP would be equally revealing.
Deep packet inspection is expensive; so they probably look for people whom consume a generous amount of monthly bandwidth and sniff their traffic.
The only way to protect yourself would be to encrypt your packet payload, until it reached a non-AT&T intermediate node. And of course, eventually that type of behavior would be a red flag. However, they would not be able to PROVE you were tethering, they would only have a reasonable suspicion (which appears to be enough for AT&T).
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Im not sure what the default TTL is for the plethora of Android devices or if this is even how ATT is finding out. Maybe Android users have not gotten letters yet is because of what someone said earlier: apple included something in 4.3 to detect this. Also, IF they are using TTL to detect, there are way too many Android devices with presumably different TTL values for them to precisely detect who is tethering.
from most the reports ive seen ATT has been usually handing these notices out to users that have heavy bandwidth usage. By heavy i mean, 18gb+ a month, this has been the case at least for most iPhone tethering users according to modmyi. It is pretty random tho as I've seen someone use as much as 33 gb in a month and not get served. but if ur within the 5 gb - 10 gb range i dont think you have to worry
Meursau|t said:
As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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Yep tell it like it is.
I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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At least with verizon, you have to deal with the same ****ty service, but you get LTE instead.
(I'm on at&t....)
t0dbld said:
I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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What service are you paying for? We already pay for data. Data is data. What if internet providers started saying you pay for data to be sent to the modem, but you have to pay an additional service to "tether" it to another device such as a router or computer?
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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well first of all that would cost me my unlimited data plan... so that is stupid, 2 i have been a smartphone user for about 12 years and tethering was always included, than they removed it from devices but if you knew what you were doing you could do it on your own, as years have gone on it has changed to get to this ... this is one thing i will not budge on and never will, i do not condone pirating or anything else how ever , if i pay for a data plan to surf the internet from your network than what device i choose to use to do it is of no matter, i do not tether and have multiple devices hooked up or allow other people to use my connection, it is a matter of what device i am using to view the same thing, this does not justify and extra $45 a month charge because i wanted to view the same internet on my tablet instead of my phone while sitting on my couch, or if i want to tether while driving to use navigation. I am viewing the same thing on only one device
POOP - I misread
t0dbld said:
well first of all that would cost me my unlimited data plan... so that is stupid, 2 i have been a smartphone user for about 12 years and tethering was always included, than they removed it from devices but if you knew what you were doing you could do it on your own, as years have gone on it has changed to get to this ... this is one thing i will not budge on and never will, i do not condone pirating or anything else how ever , if i pay for a data plan to surf the internet from your network than what device i choose to use to do it is of no matter, i do not tether and have multiple devices hooked up or allow other people to use my connection, it is a matter of what device i am using to view the same thing, this does not justify and extra $45 a month charge because i wanted to view the same internet on my tablet instead of my phone while sitting on my couch, or if i want to tether while driving to use navigation. I am viewing the same thing on only one device
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But it's those that DO use it on 5+ devices, pulling in 20GB a month that ruin it for everyone else. Not to mention crowd our whole network with unnecessary traffic.
Since I rarely tether, have a built-in Navi for my car, and don't buy into the whole tablet frenzy, I may not feel your specific needs. But for those that are abusing the workaround, I have zero sympathy.
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I just got the tethering text... Im on the unlimited plan and have used about 2gb this month. I mainly use webtop with the hacked tethering method.
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um sh*t
so this is not iphone only .....
lsxrx7 said:
um sh*t
so this is not iphone only .....
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right, Android users are NOT safe...
Ive been using android on ATT since last July and have not touched an iPhone since, so theres no ambiguity with this.
Hey everyone, I'm currently in the Air Force and I'm getting stationed in Germany. And due to that I'm going to be freezing my Verizon account till I get back.
Now I really love this phone, and I'd like to keep using it; however, will I be out of luck without an actual service plan? I'm not talking about running it without a data plan. I mean actually no service whatsoever other than the Wifi.
Can it be done?
Can I has Wifi smartphone in Germany?
Thanks much beforehand for any help!
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Hey everyone, I'm currently in the Air Force and I'm getting stationed in Germany. And due to that I'm going to be freezing my Verizon account till I get back.
Now I really love this phone, and I'd like to keep using it; however, will I be out of luck without an actual service plan? I'm not talking about running it without a data plan. I mean actually no service whatsoever other than the Wifi.
Can it be done?
Can I has Wifi smartphone in Germany?
Thanks much beforehand for any help!
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Umm, why couldn't you? Put the phone in airplane mode, turn wifi on/off as you please. Last I checked, the didn't ban Wifi in Europe or Germany (yet, the EU does stupid stuff sometimes)
imnuts said:
Umm, why couldn't you? Put the phone in airplane mode, turn wifi on/off as you please. Last I checked, the didn't ban Wifi in Europe or Germany (yet, the EU does stupid stuff sometimes)
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Is it really that easy? Also, what might that limit as far as functionality of the phone other than just calls and texts?
Also, would I need to worry about accidentally turning off the Airplane mode and getting charged again, or does the phone just stop receiving service period?
Thanks much for the help and I'll feel kinds silly if it really was this easy ha.
If you froze your VZW account, you should stop receiving service entirely, and not have to worry about getting calls, 3G, etc. But I could be wrong about that, so if someone could confirm...
Also, does Germany even have CDMA towers? I thought the rest of the world was on GSM.
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If you froze your VZW account, you should stop receiving service entirely, and not have to worry about getting calls, 3G, etc. But I could be wrong about that, so if someone could confirm...
Also, does Germany even have CDMA towers? I thought the rest of the world was on GSM.
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other countries use cdma (china and india have major carriers that do) and several others as well (peru, etc) if you go to verizon's international travel coverage you can actually see (or used to anyway) what country had what type of coverage and where on a map
however gsm is the major technology used worldwide...i dont have figures handy, but id guess its like 85/15 or something split wise
with emerging lte adoption though at some point in the future id imagine things becoming more unified...or even further split as many carriers may stick with hdspa+ rather than spend the money on lte infrastructure...who knows
i have an epic 4g that has no sevice at all and my kids use it as an ipod with
wifi work great text also as long as u have wifi.
ps i got the phone from a buddy that could not pay a bill for two phone so he suspended the line.
If you deactivate your service, the phone will attempt to connect, but won't be able to. I doubt many overseas carriers would allow data usage for roaming anyway even if airplane mode did get turned off, I'd think they probably only allow calls/texts.
Airplane mode (to save battery from frivolous radio connection attempts) + wifi. You're good.
No cdma in Germany, so no network to connect to to begin with. Verizon wont even let you use a phone in Europe without a special international roaming thing on your account anyways, so they certainly wont allow it to connect if you're suspended
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I was in Germany about 3 weeks ago and I kept my phone in airplane mode and turned WIFI on and off when I wanted internet access. The problem was that I was not able to find any free WIFI - hotel, Starbuck's, etc. all charged a fee. Getting on the internet was not worth the going rate of 5 euros an hour. Your experience may be different; however, except in housing it's unlikely that you will find WIFI on base.
In the past I used an old droid as a portable device around the house. I never enabled airplane mode. I even took it on a trip with me for a media device. I got stranded in TX via buddy pass. I had to take a 27 hour bus trip home. My regular phone died. I couldn't charge the battery on the bus. So I used the droid to call Verizon to turn it on. And then turned it back off when I got home. I never had any issues with getting a data charge on my plan when I was using it as a portable. If it's deactivated in their computers I don't see how it would connect to a phone service.
I assume() that this would be the same with the Fascinate. The Fascinate is nothing more than a small handheld computer that make phone calls. Turn off the phone service and it should continue to do everything else as normal.
I would look into getting a skype account. It may even have some type of free package. You could try to make wifi calls in a pinch. I have no experience with that, but it seems like it would work. I don't know how much it would cost.
Hi community, I'm a noob to posting and I'll apologize up-front. This is my first XDA thread, but I've been a silent creeper on here since the Windows Mobile 6/6.1/6.5 era. After searching here, Google, and other forums, I am still at a loss for the proper procedure for doing what I'm about to request. I have an LG Incite (CT810), which is a Windows 6.1 phone. I'm familiar with network settings, access codes, registry edits, ROMS, etc.; however, I'm new to Android and I won't even pretend to have a solid idea of what I'm doing.
Here's the situation: with my Incite, I have a "smartphone exclusion" and "data opt-out" features on my plan. This meant that for 3 years, I did not pay for data for any of the lines on my grandfathered family plan as the data network is mostly unusable in my portion of north Florida. Where I live, work, and go to school all have wi-fi and I have been largely successful managing things that way. On the Incite, you did the following to prevent all data requests from going from the phone to the network...Start>Settings>Connections>Connections>Advanced>Select Networks. Relatively straight-forward.
I now have a new SGS2 i777 sitting on my desk with both the new and old SIM cards available (as I have not yet activated it). After working extensively with premier/enterprise customer care, my plan now looks like it did 1 month ago when I was promised that I could upgrade to anything "other than an iPhone" and maintain my contract "as-is" (i.e. no data plan). I signed into my account last night and sure enough, the Enterprise Data Pro 2GB had been removed and the Data Opt-Out had been reinstated. I've been reading about IMEI crawlers and network connection monitors...and though I can't do anything about the first, I was wondering if there's anything that can be done to prevent the second from the phone side (like my Incite did). For example, making all background and active data refer to the wi-fi connection and throw an error if it wasn't connected.
I still have 2 weeks left in my "buyer's remorse" period to activate or figure out what to do. Basically, I don't want to pay for something I can't use--especially since I'm on a fixed income. In summary, are there internal settings to prevent network data or is there more work I need to do from the customer care side?
Thank you ahead of time for your patience with me.
You ight get more help in the i727 skyrocket forums, your posting in the Original SGS2. There is a big difference in phones. Sorry I am not of any further assistance since I am not running stock samsung roms so I havent tried what your wanting to do. I am on CM7 builds. I believe in CM7 there is a spot to choose 2G, 2G+3G, and other settings. But I am not aware on stock samsung roms. Take a look or see if your post can be moved to the Skyrocket forum for better help.
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Headslap moment...it's an i777 SGS2 normal (non-Skyrocket) sorry about that. lol told ya I was a n00b.
I'm interested in all options: rooting, roms, apps, stock settings, etc.
Does anyone know if there's a code you dial that will take you to the engineer menu to adjust modem settings? (e.g. the Incite is 5476278#*#) 3G in this area is poor and 4G is non-existent so I probably don't need those either.
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Headslap moment...it's an i777 SGS2 normal (non-Skyrocket) sorry about that. lol told ya I was a n00b.
I'm interested in all options: rooting, roms, apps, stock settings, etc.
Does anyone know if there's a code you dial that will take you to the engineer menu to adjust modem settings? (e.g. the Incite is 5476278#*#) 3G in this area is poor and 4G is non-existent so I probably don't need those either.
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If I understand what you want correctly, you are looking for a way to completely disable data service over the cell network on the phone side, while maintaining the ability to use data over wifi? If that is the case, I don't know of a way to do this on stock firmware, but many custom firmwares include the option to disable data. Perhaps I'm missing your goal though...
Edit: menu>settings>wireless and network> mobile networks> enable packet data. If this is accessible on stock (can't remember, it's been a while) that might do what you want
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I don't know how you managed to keep your old non-data plan as any new smartphone requires a minimum data plan, no ifs, ands or buts.
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I don't know how you managed to keep your old non-data plan as any new smartphone requires a minimum data plan, no ifs, ands or buts.
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I gave my girl my captivate ( she had some old slider phone) and she just put her sim in and uses everrything on wifi. Didn't upgrade to a data plan.
If I understand OP correctly, then i think it's too easy to do.
I don't fully capture what OP's first or second mean but, my take
1. If you already "data opt-out", then you cannot receive any data, meaning you cannot access their network.
2. If you don't want to use their mobile network but just wifi, then turn off their network under Wireless and Network/Mobile Data (or DAta network) settings.
In fact, I turned it off frequently, for this month billing statement, I only consume 2.3MB so far LOL
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I don't know how you managed to keep your old non-data plan as any new smartphone requires a minimum data plan, no ifs, ands or buts.
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Persistence mostly. I don't know if it will stick when I move my SIM card over though. See screenshot below
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If I understand OP correctly, then i think it's too easy to do.
1. If you already "data opt-out", then you cannot receive any data, meaning you cannot access their network.
2. If you don't want to use their mobile network but just wifi, then turn off their network under Wireless and Network/Mobile Data (or DAta network) settings.
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+1 I'll definitely check that out when I get a chance to charge it. I just ran it down until it shut off so it'll be on the charger for a while once I get to my residence.
Idk if data opt out is same as data block but I use that on one of my lines with an Inspire 4G. With that route you lose mms though. Same with blocking it under wireless settings.
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Changing phones does not affect your plan unless you buy a subsidized phone that requires a minimum data plan. I went from an Incite with an old unlimited plan and kept it when I went to a Tilt 2 that I bought off eBay. I simply swapped my SIM and it worked just fine. When I used my upgrade for the Captivate I was forced off my unlimited plan. If you go the full 30 days with that phone I suspect you will see yourself put on a 200mb plan. Did you get a new SIM with the phone? I got one with my SGSII and if I didn't activate it within the 30 days they would have charged me the full price of the phone.
Apndroid shuts off data through changing the apns for you.
The manual way is to type up a new apn with bad settings. Voice calls will still work, but data will never be able to connect. Wifi will be unaffected. No special settings needed anywhere else on the phone.
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Settings>Wireless and Network>Mobile Networks>Use Packet Data
Uncheck the box at the menu above and you will not use cell data. WiFi data will work just fine. Just verified this on an unmodified, completely bone stock ROM. Changing the APN settings to incorrect values can be done as an added defense, but shouldn't be necessary. Hope this helps.
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Settings>Wireless and Network>Mobile Networks>Use Packet Data
Uncheck the box at the menu above and you will not use cell data. WiFi data will work just fine. Just verified this on an unmodified, completely bone stock ROM. Changing the APN settings to incorrect values can be done as an added defense, but shouldn't be necessary. Hope this helps.
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Even better
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disable data connection on sgs2
I'm using the app Android Task Manager Pro Ver 2.2.6 it really helps on stopping the data connection so i wont go over my data plan.
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Changing phones does not affect your plan unless you buy a subsidized phone that requires a minimum data plan. I went from an Incite with an old unlimited plan and kept it when I went to a Tilt 2 that I bought off eBay. I simply swapped my SIM and it worked just fine. When I used my upgrade for the Captivate I was forced off my unlimited plan. If you go the full 30 days with that phone I suspect you will see yourself put on a 200mb plan. Did you get a new SIM with the phone? I got one with my SGSII and if I didn't activate it within the 30 days they would have charged me the full price of the phone.
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After speaking to enterprise business customer care many, many times, I was advised that there are extremely limited instances where business users can upgrade their plans and continue to use their old settings. I offered to buy an SGS2 on Newegg or Amazon at full price, so that I could maintain my plan (like you can with an unlocked phone and a T-Mobile Value-1000 plan utilizing the "bring-your-own-phone provision"), but the agents told me that I would be "upgraded" to a data plan based on the IMEI change from my Incite to my SGS2. Two t2 agents told me that buying a full-priced phone and then correcting the account was unnecessary as EBCC could correct the plan after the fact (even with an upgrade). I followed the instructions to a "t" and bought the phones via the EB OLAM, received them, emailed the agent 3x over the course of a week, but never heard back.
After 3 calls to EBCC, I reached a veteran tier 2 agent who said that correcting the plan based on my circumstances was "easily" done, but that the agent whom provided her email address had "owned" the problem and needed to get one last opportunity to take care of it. She said she emailed the prior agent and to call back and request tier 2 or a supervisor if she didn't contact me. Idk if she was just avoiding doing it or what, but I waited as instructed. I called back and reached a tier 1 agent who recited the normal stance regarding smartphones. Several tier 1 agents later, I reached one who spoke to her supervisor whom read the litany of notes and approved the plan adjustment. Will this work for anyone else? I doubt it, but who knows. ...probably won't work for me either lol...
The screenshots in my previous post were generated 5 minutes before I posted them--they are accurate. My concern from here on out is that the phone will attempt to download data or connect to 4G (2 of the 3 conditions that will generate a forced data plan--IMEI is the 3rd, but understandably, people don't like discussing that one on here). I'll try out the bone stock packet disable setting suggestion shortly and see what happens.
So with a quick search for a similar phone, I found *#*#INFO#*#* Which took me to the Testing Menu. From there, pressing Phone Information>Preferred Network Type>GSM Only. I'm not yet activated, but I'll reply back if that worked.
...making progress!
I saw a Captivate earlier, but has anyone had success keeping a 3.5/4G phone data plan-free?
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When I used my upgrade for the Captivate I was forced off my unlimited plan.
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How did they get away with that? I've been grandfathered for years, even when I got my first 3g phone. I don't know anybody who was actually forced down to a tiered plan.
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How did they get away with that? I've been grandfathered for years, even when I got my first 3g phone. I don't know anybody who was actually forced down to a tiered plan.
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When you buy a subsidized phone you have to agree to their terms. That requires you to sign a new contract, which did not give me the choice of keeping my old plan. Maybe I could have made a stink, but at the time they no longer offered unlimited plans and I really wanted the Cappy.
That's only true if you upgrade through 3rd party retailers. Even that, you can call AT&T to get your unlimited data plan back. No, you are no forced to give up the unlimited data when signing a new contract. The problem is most 3rd party retailers can't keep your unlimited with their computer systems, only AT&T stores can do so.
Success!
I swapped out the sim cards without formal activation earlier tonight...no dreaded "We noticed that you're using a smartphone..." text! (At least not yet). Packet data was enabled in the network settings--it seemed to have no effect. From as far as I can tell, the process involves the following...
I came from a grandfathered plan with a smartphone exclusion and data opt-out. I upgraded online and then called [enterprise] customer care and got both items added back along with getting my IMEI updated as available for the opt-out. That seems to be it. Nothing on the phone side. From what multiple tier 2 agents have told me, that will absolutely not work with an iPhone, but who cares about iPhones anyways
I'm curious which combination of data block, smartphone exclusion, and IMEI database update are necessary to make that work for others in situations similar to mine (useless data network where I live/ commute). Will this work with a dumbphone and a data opt-out (block)? I don't know. Perhaps someone who's in a position to upgrade could try it. Using a 3G sim card in a dumbphone, call customer care (611) and request a wix block/ data opt-out on that line. I doubt they'll put the smartphone exclusion on it if it's not a smartphone--if it is then they'll probably put a data plan on instead. After you can log into the online account management, check the features on the line and verify the data opt-out and then try to put your 3G sim into a 4G smartphone and make some calls. Warning: in the event that you weren't intending to upgrade to a smartphone anyways, you might cause yourself a lot of headache getting the data back off once your sim is back in your original non-smartphone (assuming that data block by itself isn't enough to curb the data). Please chime in if it worked because I'm sure there's at least a few members who would be interested.
Loving the Samsung Galaxy S II and XDA...I can't wait to decide which mods I'm going to do first...
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YES, the stock ROM has that option. It is the best solution that doesn't require any hassle.
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With Big Red unveiling their new Share Everything plans yesterday I am looking at ways to cut down on Data usage. I have un upgrade available now and plan on using it before the deadline that will buy me some time before I need to change over.
Any suggestions out there to reduce 3/4G data use? I got with the family about switching over to wifi when available, but i know the Mrs will forget so are there any apps that will automatically switch to wifi when available?
I have four phones on my plan and I'm the big user with 5G/mo.....hit 6 one month so I need the most changing.
just leave wifi and data on all the time, it will switch on its own.
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just leave wifi and data on all the time, it will switch on its own.
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Thanks sir. Thought so but I never use wifi so this will be new to me for sure. Default to wifi I'm assuming?
Everyone is up in arms, but I'm thinking I can actually save money with the new structure if I can get data down to under 6G for the fam. Family meeting this weekend to set up everyone's phone for wifi default and then see what happens next month.
This may be more than you want to mess with, but if you are concerned about the extra battery usage from having both wifi and data on all the time, you should check out an app called Tasker. It is an incredibly powerful tool that can be used to automate all sorts of things on your phone. It costs $6.49 and there is learning curve, but there are lots of examples of exactly this kind of thing available on the Tasker developer's website. I have Tasker configured to turn on wifi and turn off data when I am at home. It reverses the settings when I leave. If you are not picky what wifi you use, you could set it up to do this any time a wifi signal is detected.
Not real concerned with battery.....its a losing battle with this phone anyway so I just make sure I have my back up when I know I'll be out. But thanks for the tip on Tasker....I'll look into it.
I know this question is very subjective to each individual, but how much data do you guys use on a monthly basis? It would be awesome if you included the average number of things you do each month with your phone (internet time, emails, videos, etc.) I am unsure whether or not to go with a Verizon plan on the GS4 because I have no idea how much data I will use (yes, I have looked at usage calculators), but your averages would be greatly appreciated!
10 - 15 gbs on average
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10 - 15 gbs on average
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I fluctuate between 1.5 gb and 8 or 9GB depending on how often I use my Vulkano box to placeshift my TV. Many things use little data, but streaming video forget about it. It's a data hog and I'm not giving up my unlimited until forced to. It's a BS money making farce. Case in point.......Last week had to take my wife to the ER at 1 am. Kids had to be with us (young). To keep them entertained and not a total mess I tethered my tablet so they would watch the Disney channel. Vulkano is like a sling box......allows you to watch your TV on your device. In the time we were there while my wife was in the ER (she's fine btw) I used almost 2gb of data with them watching TV on the tablet.
The argument against unlimited is that there not enough "bandwidth" to go around, so they limit you to keep the network unclogged. 90% of my data comes at non peak times like this. There is no bandwidth shortage when I'm using it, so to charge me extra for data is nothing more than profiteering.
so, how much data? 2gb is standard. Do you have access to a lot of wifi, or will you be stuck on the network most of the time? That can HIGHLY influence your data usage. If wifi most of the time, you can go as low as 1. I do believe with the shared data, they update you before you go over so you can bump up the plan and not pay outrageous overages fees, and just pay for the extra data for that month.
I use between 2-4gbs a month depending on how much I'm working (work wifi sucks)
I used to have Unlimited data and ditched it to save over $120. I was using a total of 4 devices and paying over $300.00. I'm now down to 3 devices and paying around $200.00. I have the 6GB plan and we average maybe 2GB if that. I'm always using WiFi. All the hospitals I go to have WiFi and I go to many a month. Other public places have WiFi as well.
I use an average of 1 or 2gb a month. I probaly use about 1&half hours on internet/social networking apps and about 1 hour of watching youtube. But I am on wifi most of the time.
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I used to have Unlimited data and ditched it to save over $120. I was using a total of 4 devices and paying over $300.00. I'm now down to 3 devices and paying around $200.00. I have the 6GB plan and we average maybe 2GB if that. I'm always using WiFi. All the hospitals I go to have WiFi and I go to many a month. Other public places have WiFi as well.
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If all the public wifi was reliable I would be more apt to let go of my unlimited (except on a 4 phone plane with only 2 smartphones I'd pay $10 MORE for a limited plan), but in the hospital story above, there was an xfinity wifi available, and I am a customer so I can use it free, but they all limit your bandwidth, and the video stream wouldn't work.
I used to take wifi over the network when I could just to save battery life on my rezound, but the S4 lasts me a full day no problem, and if it needs a slight charge in the evening, it charges so darn quick, so I take whatever data is giving me the fastest speeds
Data Usage is never over 4 gb
I feel your concern for Data usage averages and I just wanted to tell you what I wish someone would have told me before I switched to Sprint from AT&T. Most companies that offer unlimited Data plans aren't entirely unlimited anyway. For example Sprint only allows 300 mb roaming Data. The unlimited Data connection that sprint provides in my area (Georgia) is totally garbage. Verizon 3G was honestly much faster than Sprint's 4G LTE. The point I'm trying to make is: If you have unlimited but it takes the entire month to load a YouTube video (not true of course but Sprint is EXTREMELY slow) why even bother? Just connect Wi-Fi! Sprint offers unlimited Data to reel in customers but never talk about the real speed compared with other providers. I have my own theory: the people who have unlimited Data must abuse the heck out of it. There are people who average close to 20-30 gb a month on Sprint. I honestly applaud Verizon for not allowing people to upgrade and get a discount without changing their plan. Makes my connection faster for when I need it.
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I feel your concern for Data usage averages and I just wanted to tell you what I wish someone would have told me before I switched to Sprint from AT&T. Most companies that offer unlimited Data plans aren't entirely unlimited anyway. For example Sprint only allows 300 mb roaming Data. The unlimited Data connection that sprint provides in my area (Georgia) is totally garbage. Verizon 3G was honestly much faster than Sprint's 4G LTE. The point I'm trying to make is: If you have unlimited but it takes the entire month to load a YouTube video (not true of course but Sprint is EXTREMELY slow) why even bother? Just connect Wi-Fi! Sprint offers unlimited Data to reel in customers but never talk about the real speed compared with other providers. I have my own theory: the people who have unlimited Data must abuse the heck out of it. There are people who average close to 20-30 gb a month on Sprint. I honestly applaud Verizon for not allowing people to upgrade and get a discount without changing their plan. Makes my connection faster for when I need it.
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No it doesn't, and that's what the carriers want you to believe. True there is only so much bandwidth to go around, but when I'm using 2 gb between 12-2am while your asleep......it doesn't do anything to your connection, just costs me more without unlimited. If they were honest and upfront, they'd go to peak time limits like they used to do with minutes. And if I'm at a football game in the city with 60,000 fans in the stands, limit or unlimited the phone is still unusable because of all the people connecting to the same tower. Bandwidth is just a pipeline, whether it's a gush or a trickle, the data coming through is the same. It's not a commodity that they charge for.
I use roughly 60 gigs of data per month. I tether everyday while I'm at work. I stream plenty of movies and music. I'm on the unlimited plan.
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20 - 30 gig on netflix and thethering. Downloading new roms and music playing games etc. I refuse to use wifi tho because I pay to keep unlimited.
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20 - 30 gig on netflix and thethering. Downloading new roms and music playing games etc. I refuse to use wifi tho because I pay to keep unlimited.
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I am the same way, I avg 60-70 gigs a month just because i can. I travel for work , for me to watch netflix on my ps3 and to send out my reports. Its bad enough I pay 168 $ a month on one phone, so yes I take advantage
250 g per month grandfather unlimited plan. ....
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I know this question is very subjective to each individual, but how much data do you guys use on a monthly basis? It would be awesome if you included the average number of things you do each month with your phone (internet time, emails, videos, etc.) I am unsure whether or not to go with a Verizon plan on the GS4 because I have no idea how much data I will use (yes, I have looked at usage calculators), but your averages would be greatly appreciated!
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I'll assume you're asking because you need to choose a data plan. Thus, you may need to disregard the folks who are running 10-250GB/month on their unlimited plans, because you can be sure that most would not be running those levels without 'unlimited' plans.
You also need to discount a bit for the fact that this board is chock full of enthusiasts, and probably not representative of the general population.
Personally, I had the same question when I switched from Sprint. On Sprint, I was using under 1GB/month, but not b/c I'm a low-user, it was b/c Sprint's data service s*cked so bad that I could (or would) never use it. So I had no real frame of reference when I switched to Verizon.
I chose the 2GB plan, and have found that, provided I use wi-fi where possible (home, work), I can live within the confines of that plan* (more on that in a bit).
As a user, I do maybe 30-40 minutes of web surfing a day, check FB maybe 2 or 3 times, occasionally watch a youtube video, push several email accounts multiple times per day, use Google Maps regularly (mostly weekends), download a podcast or two, listen to Pandora (10-15 mins/day), probably spend another 15-30 mins in misc. data consuming apps, and have a variety of apps running that pull background data such as weather apps, calendar sync, twitter, etc.
* So, 'living within the confines' of the 2GB plan requires some level of 'awareness' on my part, which would likely not be necessary with a larger plan. That doesn't mean heavy restrictions, just certain things I make a conscious effort to do only on wi-fi include updating Google Apps, streaming Netflix or HBO, downloading multiple podcast episodes, etc. If I had a child that had to be entertained (as another poster indicated) anytime-anywhere, I could see where the data usage could pile up. IMO, streaming video is probably the biggest consumer.
Of course, your mileage will vary
On a related note, I think it's great that the S4 allows you to track your data usage on the device, and not only tells you your cumulative monthly total, but also totals for any period and exactly which apps are using data.
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I'll assume you're asking because you need to choose a data plan. Thus, you may need to disregard the folks who are running 10-250GB/month on their unlimited plans, because you can be sure that most would not be running those levels without 'unlimited' plans.
You also need to discount a bit for the fact that this board is chock full of enthusiasts, and probably not representative of the general population.
Personally, I had the same question when I switched from Sprint. On Sprint, I was using under 1GB/month, but not b/c I'm a low-user, it was b/c Sprint's data service s*cked so bad that I could (or would) never use it. So I had no real frame of reference when I switched to Verizon.
I chose the 2GB plan, and have found that, provided I use wi-fi where possible (home, work), I can live within the confines of that plan* (more on that in a bit).
As a user, I do maybe 30-40 minutes of web surfing a day, check FB maybe 2 or 3 times, occasionally watch a youtube video, push several email accounts multiple times per day, use Google Maps regularly (mostly weekends), download a podcast or two, listen to Pandora (10-15 mins/day), probably spend another 15-30 mins in misc. data consuming apps, and have a variety of apps running that pull background data such as weather apps, calendar sync, twitter, etc.
* So, 'living within the confines' of the 2GB plan requires some level of 'awareness' on my part, which would likely not be necessary with a larger plan. That doesn't mean heavy restrictions, just certain things I make a conscious effort to do only on wi-fi include updating Google Apps, streaming Netflix or HBO, downloading multiple podcast episodes, etc. If I had a child that had to be entertained (as another poster indicated) anytime-anywhere, I could see where the data usage could pile up. IMO, streaming video is probably the biggest consumer.
Of course, your mileage will vary
On a related note, I think it's great that the S4 allows you to track your data usage on the device, and not only tells you your cumulative monthly total, but also totals for any period and exactly which apps are using data.
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That's kind of the exact same boat that I am in at the moment. I currently have Sprint, and their data speeds are awful. I consistently end up on roaming in buildings and what not, so I cannot judge the amount of data that I might actually use. So when you mentioned the things you do regularly (web, social media, maps, etc.), are those mainly done via their LTE network? And thank you for this post; it was right on track in regards to my same mindset.
It's not hard to restrain yourself to a certain plan. Like I was saying I had a 10GB plan but switched to the 6GB plan. The only reason I keep the tablet active is because they used my tablet to upgrade my primary phone to the S4. Even though the tablet never leaves my house usually I still don't use a lot of data. I never used a lot of data while on unlimited either. It;s down to personal preference and that is up to you. Everyone can say what they use and you would never have an ideal. You should have made the post say no unlimited plan since you can't get a true feeling with the unlimited's poking in.
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It's not hard to restrain yourself to a certain plan. Like I was saying I had a 10GB plan but switched to the 6GB plan. The only reason I keep the tablet active is because they used my tablet to upgrade my primary phone to the S4. Even though the tablet never leaves my house usually I still don't use a lot of data. I never used a lot of data while on unlimited either. It;s down to personal preference and that is up to you. Everyone can say what they use and you would never have an ideal. You should have made the post say no unlimited plan since you can't get a true feeling with the unlimited's poking in.
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Yeah I didn't think about the grandfathered unlimited plans before I posted it, my mistake haha.
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Yeah I didn't think about the grandfathered unlimited plans before I posted it, my mistake haha.
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WhiteRice said:
That's kind of the exact same boat that I am in at the moment. I currently have Sprint, and their data speeds are awful. I consistently end up on roaming in buildings and what not, so I cannot judge the amount of data that I might actually use. So when you mentioned the things you do regularly (web, social media, maps, etc.), are those mainly done via their LTE network? And thank you for this post; it was right on track in regards to my same mindset.
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All I can say is WOW are you going to be in for a pleasant surprise. The short answer is yes, almost all of my non-wifi usage is via 4G LTE. I live near NYC and work in Philly, and with Sprint, I kept 4G toggled 'off' b/c whenever it was 'on', there'd rarely be a 4G signal available, and when there was, it wasn't very impressive.
With this phone, the first thing I'm asking is, "Where's my 4G toggle?" Truth is, I never needed it, because a) 4G LTE is pervasive by comparison to Sprint and b) it doesn't burn battery on my S4 as it did on my S2. In fact, because of my 'conditioning' on Sprint, I always look to see what signal I'm at whenever I'm about to use data. I'd say (unscientifically), 8 or 9x out of 10 it's 4g LTE...
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All I can say is WOW are you going to be in for a pleasant surprise. The short answer is yes, almost all of my non-wifi usage is via 4G LTE. I live near NYC and work in Philly, and with Sprint, I kept 4G toggled 'off' b/c whenever it was 'on', there'd rarely be a 4G signal available, and when there was, it wasn't very impressive.
With this phone, the first thing I'm asking is, "Where's my 4G toggle?" Truth is, I never needed it, because a) 4G LTE is pervasive by comparison to Sprint and b) it doesn't burn battery on my S4 as it did on my S2. In fact, because of my 'conditioning' on Sprint, I always look to see what signal I'm at whenever I'm about to use data. I'd say (unscientifically), 8 or 9x out of 10 it's 4g LTE...
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Thank you very much! Also, I know you mentioned it in your first reply to some extent, but exactly what all do you have syncing during the day while on LTE, and what do you think a solid estimation is for the amount of data you use in a day?