Need help with an argument about the iPhone - Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Can anyone offer some advice as to how to dissuade someone with buying an iPhone? You see, our whole family is switching to T-mobile (cheaper + unlimited data) and my technophobic mother is determined to switch to the iPhone. We currently have three Verizon Fascinates, Mom's being on TSM Resurrection. It's still on GB because Mom hates the stock 4.0+ phone app is if it were the bubonic plague (no idea why). The main reason that she dislikes her phone is that it doesn't work with her car. That's right, BMW uses some sort of @#?$?! proprietary bluetooth standard that is supported by exactly zero samsung phones and like two htc phones, but works perfectly with apple devices. Also, she has an iPad 2 that she uses daily. So, I guess my questions are:
1. Does anyone know some sort of patch/workaround to make a fascinate/any other Samsung work with BMW bluetooth?
2. If not, how else can I convince her to get something besides an iPhone (she tried and disliked Blackberry)?
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I don't understand why you care so much... is she forcing you to switch to an iphone too or will she let you stay with android? It sounds to me like she likes how the apple ecosystem is, so honestly I would just let her do what she wants. It sounds to me like you've already explained to her the differences between them, and if she's determined to get an iphone there's really not much you're going to be able to say to convince her otherwise. The best you could really do is just buy a top end android yourself (Galaxy S4 or HTC One) and let her watch you do all the cool things her iphone can't. I have no idea about the BMW bluetooth, sorry.

Basically there're two reasons that her getting an iPhone is bad. One is that I already do all her tech support for her Fascinate, and I'm not too keen on having to set up and fix an iPhone. Two, then we would have to deal with a whole nother app ecosystem. We would have to rebuy certain apps and search for IOS equivalents, and few apps we found on one would apply to the other.
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MultipleMonomials said:
Basically there're two reasons that her getting an iPhone is bad. One is that I already do all her tech support for her Fascinate, and I'm not too keen on having to set up and fix an iPhone. Two, then we would have to deal with a whole nother app ecosystem. We would have to rebuy certain apps and search for IOS equivalents, and few apps we found on one would apply to the other.
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Alright here is where I think this is a pointless argument... Android and iOS have major differences but also are similar, marked and apps isn't much different. IPhone atleast has a media center that works and is organized, one thing I loved about apple, but there is only few reasons why someone should choose android over iPhone. Either you just like android or you know what android is... An open source OS. I only switched to android because I like modifying and hacking... Being with at&t and HTC I really feel like I'm screwed now. I can't do what I want and what my intentions with android were for. But that means I need to spend $700 on a developer model phone instead of upgrading. Let your mom/parents choose what they want. IPhone and iPods are easy maintenance. Android is really for developers and people who like cheap phones
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Thanks for your input guys. I got her to compromise on a non-apple device when I realized something I'd been missing all this time--the fact that she tethers her phone to her iPad on a daily basis. I told her that since she didn't want me jailbreaking her iPhone, there likely wasn't a way to tether it. After that, she agreed to get another Android.
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MultipleMonomials said:
Thanks for your input guys. I got her to compromise on a non-apple device when I realized something I'd been missing all this time--the fact that she tethers her phone to her iPad on a daily basis. I told her that since she didn't want me jailbreaking her iPhone, there likely wasn't a way to tether it. After that, she agreed to get another Android.
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You can tether your iPhone without jailbreaking..... Or is that only for the at&t iPhone's?
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Megadoug13 said:
You can tether your iPhone without jailbreaking..... Or is that only for the at&t iPhone's?
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Yea but you got to pay a extra like 30$ a month it doesn't matter he won the battle DISCUSSION OVER ANDROID ALWAYS WINS
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bbrad said:
Yea but you got to pay a extra like 30$ a month it doesn't matter he won the battle DISCUSSION OVER ANDROID ALWAYS WINS
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you dont have to pay any extra...

But this is t-mobile, and when I said "tethering" I meant "tethering without paying any extra $ to the carrier". It doesn't really matter though.
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sense rom

wonder how sense would run on this phone
*facepalm*
foxsdaddy67 said:
wonder how sense would run on this phone
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Sense. You mean that thing from HTC that has the biggest security flaw ever seen on a smart phone? No thanks, I'll pass. If you want a Sense like UI, go with Launcher Pro and Beautiful Widgets.
i do like the sense interface. and the privacy leak was from an apk that could be removed if i remember reading right
It would have that turrible icon for "Peep," baked in.
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Lokifish Marz said:
Sense. You mean that thing from HTC that has the biggest security flaw ever seen on a smart phone? No thanks, I'll pass. If you want a Sense like UI, go with Launcher Pro and Beautiful Widgets.
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Jeeze haters gonna hate. But sense is so awesome. I've used cm7 and miui and sense by far is the best!
Swyped from mah synergy evo!
its not a matter of its an apk, why was it there in teh first place? liek CIQ on most sprint phones, or how about "rescue mode" on others (developed by logmein, a remote access company) the point is if no one caught it then they wouldnt be backpeddling...
alainater said:
Jeeze haters gonna hate. But sense is so awesome. I've used cm7 and miui and sense by far is the best!
Swyped from mah synergy evo!
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Not hating, just FACT. With a security hole like the one reported you might as well post all your info on your Facebook wall. Don't get me wrong, I prefer Sense over TW and Blur but not enough to leave a phone wide open like that. There is workarounds but that hole never should have made to production.
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Not hating, just FACT. With a security hole like the one reported you might as well post all your info on your Facebook wall. Don't get me wrong, I prefer Sense over TW and Blur but not enough to leave a phone wide open like that. There is workarounds but that hole never should have made to production.
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That's true and I agree. At least they're fixing it...
Swyped from mah synergy evo!
htc have = 10000xxxxxx developers and people testint their phones
moto have ......10?! developers per phone....
or do you think moto don't have the same probleme with motorola services? eheh
moto have the same biggest probleme, but no one cares about moto phones
EclipseX said:
htc have = 10000xxxxxx developers and people testint their phones
moto have ......10?! developers per phone....
or do you think moto don't have the same probleme with motorola services? eheh
moto have the same biggest probleme, but no one cares about moto phones
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This
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EclipseX said:
htc have = 10000xxxxxx developers and people testint their phones
moto have ......10?! developers per phone....
or do you think moto don't have the same probleme with motorola services? eheh
moto have the same biggest probleme, but no one cares about moto phones
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The locked bootloader is the reason for this. That is also why you are seeing the developer migration from HTC to Samsung.
Look at the OG Droid. That thing had tons of dev support. I, for one would love to see Papa Google take webtop and use it as a launchpad for Chrome OS. That would be awesome.
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ill be honest there is 2 reasons why i am even here. 1 ACS (at teh time) didnt have anyone even planning on coming to the photon. 2nd, webtop.. it means in 3-4 years i can still have a fully functional htpc running at a very cheap electrical cost (much cheaper than my xbox 360) or browsing the web or whatever.. while in 3-4 years that brand new shiney SGS2.. will be traded in for the next hunk of plastic
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ill be honest there is 2 reasons why i am even here. 1 ACS (at teh time) didnt have anyone even planning on coming to the photon. 2nd, webtop.. it means in 3-4 years i can still have a fully functional htpc running at a very cheap electrical cost (much cheaper than my xbox 360) or browsing the web or whatever.. while in 3-4 years that brand new shiney SGS2.. will be traded in for the next hunk of plastic
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I fired up webtop for the first time today and while there is a "betaness" to it I'm very impressed. I am probably going to buy a small, beautiful Samsung television to run this on and start incorporating its use more and more.
Shabby, you seem knowledgeable, maybe you could tell me...
1. Can we extend USB ports with a port expander?
2. Do you know of any printing solutions? I know Kodak won't play with Linux but I'm pretty sure HP is in, so perhaps plug and play? But if so...I don't know of any Android office suites that even have a printing option.
Also, sorry for posting off topic, but my questions are directly related to your statements.
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havent had a chance to yet, im saving up for a wedding so no money for the hd dock. but once i get it i will be enjoying webtop every day
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2nd, webtop.. it means in 3-4 years i can still have a fully functional htpc running at a very cheap electrical cost (much cheaper than my xbox 360) or browsing the web or whatever.. while in 3-4 years that brand new shiney SGS2.. will be traded in for the next hunk of plastic
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amen to this....
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abowlby said:
I fired up webtop for the first time today and while there is a "betaness" to it I'm very impressed. I am probably going to buy a small, beautiful Samsung television to run this on and start incorporating its use more and more.
Shabby, you seem knowledgeable, maybe you could tell me...
1. Can we extend USB ports with a port expander?
2. Do you know of any printing solutions? I know Kodak won't play with Linux but I'm pretty sure HP is in, so perhaps plug and play? But if so...I don't know of any Android office suites that even have a printing option.
Also, sorry for posting off topic, but my questions are directly related to your statements.
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USB hubs are supported. I've even had 120GB ext HDD full of videos connected via a hub, granted it took forever to index but it worked.
I have a couple different printers here at work but haven't had the time to play with them yet as I'm still trying to get together a full feature set for webtop.
*now back to our regularly scheduled program
I have the thunderbolt with sense 3.0 its neat nice little features on it and such but this phone is great on battery(thunderbolt has great life too) for a reason its simplistic and such of the matter reminds me of the nexus brand.
Also Shabby thanks for joining the photon family
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Htc's sense isn't open source last time I checked. They frown upon use on non htc devices. Download a theme, a launcher theme, wallpaper and flip clock and be done with it. Then be thankful about how much smoother and faster "Motorola's ui " is
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Its not they gave beautiful widgets a C&D last year for their clock and they had to redesign it

Might get AT&T SGS2, any problems I should know about?

Hey guys, I currently have the Epic 4G Touch with Sprint but there is a good chance that I might jump ship and come over to AT&T. If I do, the GS2 would most likely be the phone I will get. It's gonna be tough working with such a tiny screen (lol!) but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Don't want the Skyrocket because it doesn't have an Exynos in it and the HSPA+ should be plenty fast for my needs.
Anyway, all Android phones come with their fair share of problems out of the box, what am I going to have to deal with if I get the SGS2? Any radio issues? Battery problems? Screen problems? How does AT&T handle tethering? I heard about them catching people and changing them to a hotspot plan, is that true? Also, does AT&T still block app sideloading?
I plan on rooting but remaining on the stock ROM, assuming it's as good as the Epic Touch's stock ROM. Just gonna debloat the crap out of it and use Autostarts to keep everything under control. Should I go ahead and assume that rooting it is fairly easy?
Also, how is AT&Ts customer service to work with? I have been with Sprint for many years and have gotten manipulating them down to a science. I always get the latest and greatest phones, and never have to pay more than the subsidized price. I'm kinda nervous about switching because I'm worried I won't be able to pull that crap with AT&T.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
_MetalHead_ said:
Hey guys, I currently have the Epic 4G Touch with Sprint but there is a good chance that I might jump ship and come over to AT&T. If I do, the GS2 would most likely be the phone I will get. It's gonna be tough working with such a tiny screen (lol!) but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Don't want the Skyrocket because it doesn't have an Exynos in it and the HSPA+ should be plenty fast for my needs.
Anyway, all Android phones come with their fair share of problems out of the box, what am I going to have to deal with if I get the SGS2? Any radio issues? Battery problems? Screen problems? How does AT&T handle tethering? I heard about them catching people and changing them to a hotspot plan, is that true? Also, does AT&T still block app sideloading?
I plan on rooting but remaining on the stock ROM, assuming it's as good as the Epic Touch's stock ROM. Just gonna debloat the crap out of it and use Autostarts to keep everything under control. Should I go ahead and assume that rooting it is fairly easy?
Also, how is AT&Ts customer service to work with? I have been with Sprint for many years and have gotten manipulating them down to a science. I always get the latest and greatest phones, and never have to pay more than the subsidized price. I'm kinda nervous about switching because I'm worried I won't be able to pull that crap with AT&T.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
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We have several threads all new and recently posted in that will answer your questions.
AT&T customer service.
Good threads to read so as not to get problems. 1, 2, 3, 4.
The FAQ in General is always a good place to start reading rather than posting.
Miami_Son said:
The FAQ in General is always a good place to start reading rather than posting.
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Trust me, I've already read through a whole bunch of crap. I am just looking for some personal experiences here without having to read through page after page of meaningless drivel just to find a few simple answers.
only downside i can think of is if you drop it from the 10th floor the screen will crack... and it doesnt seem to work well in the pool.
It is a great device, only complaint i have is the non HD screen. If you are coming from a phone with high res like a iphone you will notice. If you arent coming from a high res phone you will never notice
You might have more issues with AT&T than the phone. Overall its a great phone with lots of dev support. there's a reason why AT&T is always at the bottom of the Lissy when out comes to customer services.
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Most of the issues can be found by searching.
Hardware issues: Some people have had issues with the USB port breaking. Not common, but it seems that 90% of hardware failures are this.
The AP Mobile widget in UCKH7 will eat your data. If you're here I assume you'll be rooting - so not a problem for you. Kill it with fire and you're good.
The OTA update (UCKK6) sucks infected donkey balls. Lots of battery issues. Again - easy to avoid if you're here.
_MetalHead_ said:
Trust me, I've already read through a whole bunch of crap. I am just looking for some personal experiences here without having to read through page after page of meaningless drivel just to find a few simple answers.
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Well, this forum is real big on self-service and not rewarding people for being too lazy to do their own research. Just sayin'.
Love the sgs2
Would buy the international version for more support than att
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_MetalHead_ said:
Hey guys, I currently have the Epic 4G Touch with Sprint but there is a good chance that I might jump ship and come over to AT&T. If I do, the GS2 would most likely be the phone I will get. It's gonna be tough working with such a tiny screen (lol!) but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Don't want the Skyrocket because it doesn't have an Exynos in it and the HSPA+ should be plenty fast for my needs.
Anyway, all Android phones come with their fair share of problems out of the box, what am I going to have to deal with if I get the SGS2? Any radio issues? Battery problems? Screen problems? How does AT&T handle tethering? I heard about them catching people and changing them to a hotspot plan, is that true? Also, does AT&T still block app sideloading?
I plan on rooting but remaining on the stock ROM, assuming it's as good as the Epic Touch's stock ROM. Just gonna debloat the crap out of it and use Autostarts to keep everything under control. Should I go ahead and assume that rooting it is fairly easy?
Also, how is AT&Ts customer service to work with? I have been with Sprint for many years and have gotten manipulating them down to a science. I always get the latest and greatest phones, and never have to pay more than the subsidized price. I'm kinda nervous about switching because I'm worried I won't be able to pull that crap with AT&T.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
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You wouldn't happen to be a member of the facebook page "android task force" would you? That profile picture looks really familiar
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Nick281051 said:
You wouldn't happen to be a member of the facebook page "android task force" would you? That profile picture looks really familiar
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Ha! I post there from time to time! I was one of the Android Source admins before it merged with Android Task Force. Haven't used this profile pic on FB for a while now so you've got some good memory.
Hardware = USB problems with the connection port. Blotchy screen on dark blacks in a dark room. Not noticeable until then. It's a side-effect of SAMOLED screens. Burn-in most I can figure. These two problems are fairly rare (on this forum, I'd say 1 out of maybe 15 people complain of one or the other hardware issues).
Software: let's face it - 2.3.6 sucks. The update broke bluetooth HID devices, meaning no bluetooth keyboard or mouse. Occasional reports of wifi breaking, but that's due to the retards who never read and flash willy nilly from our sister forum and phone, the international GS2 without using the development tool Hellraiser. So, be educated man. If you don't read, you will end up ****ing your phone over, and then if you whine about it (which inevitably happens every time someone who doesn't read screws their phone up), prepare to be flamed. At that point you piss everyone who's seen your same thread or situation a hundred times from people who didn't search and read.
There are reports of battery drain issues due to 2.3.6 as well. Some of these are from programs, but if you're an Android user already, you know to kill and save RAM. I've had occasional reboots from when I pushed my phone hard, but nothing of diminishing value.
AT&T Service: Customer service sucks, so I hear. But they've always worked with me. I got them to unlock multiple phones in the past, I was grandfathered in to unlimited, and they've let me skirt waiting periods on my next update. I suppose if you're a new customer it might be different. I wouldn't know. Their service as far as phone calls and data? It ain't the best. To be honest, I don't get many dropped calls per week, but I know I get enough to remember that I get dropped calls weekly. Data can be spotty at times, but overall, in Orlando, it's fast.
My Review: moving from any other phone to this one is like being born again. You believe in technology again. Alright, so it ain't that much of a spiritual experience, but lemme tell you - this phone is fast. Yet, if you want the latest and greatest from Android, specifically 4.0.3, I'd pass on this phone. We will probably get it. Maybe. Our devs will work to make it happen, but sadly I doubt it will be an official update.
If you want solid hardware and a reliable phone however and don't mind gingerbread, this is the phone for you. It is fast, well-built, and has good battery life from my experience. I use it heavily for everything, and i get nearly 14-18 hours of heavy use (phone calls, texts, music, videos, downloads, web-surfing).
4.5 out of 5 stars for this phone from me.
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Thanks for taking the time to type all that out autonomous, thats the type of response I was looking for. I am coming from Sprint's SGS2 variant so I'm well aware of how badass these phones are. I could care less about ICS, I had the Galaxy Nexus for a few weeks and returned it because I like the SGS2 + 2.3 + TouchWiz better. I'm probably gonna go to Costco over the weekend and pick it up to try it out and see how AT&Ts service in my are is.
_MetalHead_ said:
Thanks for taking the time to type all that out autonomous, thats the type of response I was looking for. I am coming from Sprint's SGS2 variant so I'm well aware of how badass these phones are. I could care less about ICS, I had the Galaxy Nexus for a few weeks and returned it because I like the SGS2 + 2.3 + TouchWiz better. I'm probably gonna go to Costco over the weekend and pick it up to try it out and see how AT&Ts service in my are is.
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Sprint and AT&T are in the same family with their Exynos chipset, which I'm sure you're aware of. The difference is that we are closer in relation to international. No WiMax chipset in ours, so easier porting.
AT&T is a fairly good provider. Service is decent, even out in the country, but it doesn't make you say "Man, Ma Bell is great about their connectivity everywhere."
While I told you we probably won't get an official Ice Cream update we WILL get one in one shape or form. 2.3.6 problems can be avoided by Hellraising a 2.3.4, 2.3.7 or 2.3.5 ROM. So if you want to avoid battery drain issues and use your bluetooth keyboard or mouse, you have your choices.
Bottom line brother, is with this phone you have options. We have devs, and tools that give you many options. If you're asking me if you should make the jump, I'd have to ask why, because WiMax with Exynos seems like a good setup, but if it's for a sensible reason, you could do worse than Ma Bell. If it's assurance you want, yes, this is and will be a good phone for quite a while. Yes, AT&T is decent, and yes, you will be fairly satisfied.
As a disclaimer, every experience is different, so I suggest you either look around this forum and make your mind that way, or bite the bullet and don't look back by moving to AT&T blindly, and go for the shortest contract you can.
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My first I777 overheated while charging. And now my second one has a buzzing in the earpiece. Good specs and I love the TouchWiz UI. Maybe Im just unlucky but it seems the hardware in this phone has issues.
_MetalHead_ said:
Ha! I post there from time to time! I was one of the Android Source admins before it merged with Android Task Force. Haven't used this profile pic on FB for a while now so you've got some good memory.
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Lol yeah brad right? Had the evolution, then the 3d which I know you hated
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While I told you we probably won't get an official Ice Cream update we WILL get one in one shape or form. 2.3.6 problems can be avoided by Hellraising a 2.3.4, 2.3.7 or 2.3.5 ROM. So if you want to avoid battery drain issues and use your bluetooth keyboard or mouse, you have your choices.
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Incorrect, it has nothing to do with 2.3.6, there's no 2.3.7 Samsung roms either. It's at&t's UCKK6 build, international 2.3.6 roms aren't plagued by the issues
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Nick281051 said:
Incorrect, it has nothing to do with 2.3.6, there's no 2.3.7 Samsung roms either. It's at&t's UCKK6 build, international 2.3.6 roms aren't plagued by the issues
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I've heard it both ways.
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autonomous-inc said:
I've heard it both ways.
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Well whoever told you it was 2.3.6 was incorrect, I'm running ICScrewD which is based on KL1(2.3.6) and there are no issues with it at all
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Lol yeah brad right? Had the evolution, then the 3d which I know you hated
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Damn, my secret online identity has been blown lol
Nick281051 said:
Well whoever told you it was 2.3.6 was incorrect, I'm running ICScrewD which is based on KL1(2.3.6) and there are no issues with it at all
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Yeah, I'm running 2.3.6 on my Epic Touch and it;s beautiful. Battery lasts forever, no glitches or bugs. Must be the specific AT&T build.
You guys get samfirmware leaks all the time like we do?

Are we better or worse?

For the past week or so I've asking myself if my Android is better or worse than my friend's iPhone with respect to hardware, aesthetics and user-freindly-ness. There are more than a few ways to tackle this question as different features appeal to different people, which is why I present this question to the whole of xda (or just the X2 forum lol) : Which one do you think is better and why?
A couple things: 1.) Im relatively new here and I dont know how often this question is askedso I'll understand if this question starts a riot and is taken down and 2.) I know there will be some bias, but I feel as this forum in particular will be honest in answering my question.
Many to thanks to anyone that happens to read this and many more to anyone that bothers responding!
Android, cause I can do whatever I want, whenever I want. The thought of clouds and cloud connect must really suck not being able to see our hear when your in a building, elevator, tunnel out remote location. Plus only $6.99 a month for insurance, iPhone is $10.99 and I prefer a one year warranty over Apple 90 day warranty.
Yes Apple is simple, simple is as simple does. Simple people like simple things!
I like to unleash, and have the option too change whatever.
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Pixelation said:
Android, cause I can do whatever I want, whenever I want. The thought of clouds and cloud connect must really suck not being able to see our hear when your in a building, elevator, tunnel out remote location. Plus only $6.99 a month for insurance, iPhone is $10.99 and I prefer a one year warranty over Apple 90 day warranty.
Yes Apple is simple, simple is as simple does. Simple people like simple things!
I like to unleash, and have the option too change whatever.
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So Im assuming iPhone's cannot run different ROMs in the way Androids can? Forgive me if I sound clueless; I have ~20 minutes of experience with Apple's phones.
thelowend said:
So Im assuming iPhone's cannot run different ROMs in the way Androids can? Forgive me if I sound clueless; I have ~20 minutes of experience with Apple's phones.
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Here's the thing. Iphone must jailbreak to do many of the things that android can do out if the box.
But! Iphone does one thing out of the box that android typically has to root to do: run buttery smooth, all the time. Everything Iphone does, it does better stock for stock.
But I cannot own an Iphone for one reason, if no other: the ui is SO boring it puts me to sleep. Android is much more entertaining just swiping home screens and widgets and notification panels, etc.
Just my two cents...
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I guess it boils down to what you want out of a smrtphone. If you don't care about physical keyboards, interesting ui's, screen size, you just want it to WORK, then I think you're better served by an Iphone. Not me.
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If they are better you wouldn't see us here.
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Okay, the iPhone vs. Android debate is just silly.
It all boils down to what you like.
If you don't care about customization, don't want to worry about having to set things up, want to ensure that your phone works the same as everyone else, then the iPhone is the phone to get. You know that your iPhone 4s will be the same as everyone else who has an iPhone 4s. You all will run the same OS version and get the same update at the same time. No issues with "Hey how come you have ICS and I still have Gingerbread?" No issues with waiting for your phone manufacturer to release a certain version of the OS (like we have with all the different phone manufacturers and carriers for Android).
But, if you want to customize, you want to change the UI, you want flexibility, don't mind researching which phones might best fit you, understand what the different Android OS versions are, etc, then the Android is your way.
It all depends on how much control you want over your phone. Even with Android, though, carriers make it difficult at times to allow you to have that full control. That is the current issue with the X2 and many other Motorola phones - no unlocked bootloader which makes it more difficult to upgrade the phone to the latest Android OS. But, if you have developer support, then chances are, you'll see some great things come. Fortunately, with the X2, we have some great devs out there - Nitro, Dragonzkiller, Aceoyame - that are creating some excellent custom ROMs for the X2.
But, with Android, you have to keep up with what is out there IF you want to keep customizing. You could still get an Android, not root it and not customize it and you might be fine, but you really need to investigate which phones work the best out of the box. The X2 doesn't. Too much BLUR crap in it, hence that's why we like to put on custom ROMs that remove that BLUR which in turn, helps the performance of the phone.
Okay, that was long, but it pretty much sums up that it all boils down to each persons personal preference. Just because I like Android over iOs doesn't mean it's right for the next person. You just have to investigate it and choose the one that best fits you. If you like what you chose, then it was the right choice for you. I just can't stand when people try to just say things like "Android is the best. iOs sucks" without backing it up with any facts other than personal opinion. That is NOT fair to the next person looking for a phone.
I had iphone for 5 years, starting with the first one and then the 3g and then the 4! I always jailbreaked it and it was a pain to use itunes! I loved it b4 but now with my gNote i can never consider byuin an iphone again! Too simple for me! This comes down to what u want to do with the phone, my parents use iphone cause its simple, but for somebody who wants to modify his phone, iphone is not the phone for those people! Android is developing much faster than iphone, and for me, that somethin i appreciate alot!
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iPhones are for the people who don't understand nor want to understand the technology they are holding in their hands, they just want to go as far as jail breaking their phone. Android users are the ones that tend to be more into the technology in their phones. But then there are those iPhone users who think they know technology, yet they have a hard time understanding the difference between hard drive and SD card. So I think it boils down to the person, to their interest and how much time they want to spend on their phone besides texting and playing angry birds haha
Don't hate me, I just see a lot of people with iPhones thinking they know more about this stuff while spitting out words at random like "my CPU is better than yours!" Yet they have no idea what a CPU is.
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Many thanks to everyone for the great insight. So the conclusion I draw from this thread and other deabates on the topic is that: iPhone: user freindly (not to say the Droid isn't) and simple thus making it very very appealing to the masses. It also is very limited when it comes to making modifications (which to me is quite a downfall to us but enables a Droid user to ultimately push past the iPhone user).
The Droid: Huge selection of phones. Can be modified to all hell assuming your model is fairly unlocked and if I might add, the only option for a man with big hands. Our major downfall is that some phones fall behind in development whereas the iPhone os is functionally consistent across most models.
So sorry if that was long but I really enjoy getting as much info as possible on a certain subject and presenting it to those better than me to make sure its accurate is important soooo please correct me if anything I said was wrong!!!
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I believe you now understand better than most.
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Hell
I chose the x2 OVER the I phone based on performance and customization differences IN STORE, which means I felt the x2(or any Droid in store) offered more for me to do/play with right out the box.
That's the basic difference, whether you root or jailbreak or not the DROID DOES...plain and simple
Widgets widgets widgets
many different launchers you can custom fit to your liking
Many more options
AND THEN YOU ROOT
And wow its a whole new world, get ready
Just my thoughts
Not to mention this awesome community, for the most part....
Just for the sake of rebellion I refuse to join the technologically and possibly mentally inferior software users...(iPhone) I do more than use software, I mod. And experiment
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I've never actually played around with a jailbroken iPhone but from what I've read, the only perk is a nice app store. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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thelowend said:
I've never actually played around with a jailbroken iPhone but from what I've read, the only perk is a nice app store. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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That's basically it. For the iPods, you can change wallpaper and stuff and font and transitions and stuff. Basically what they have when they jailbreak, is what we have out of the box with android. But when we root, we have even more haha
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That's basically it. For the iPods, you can change wallpaper and stuff and font and transitions and stuff. Basically what they have when they jailbreak, is what we have out of the box with android. But when we root, we have even more haha
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They still don't get cool widgets and launchers tho
ashclepdia said:
They still don't get cool widgets and launchers tho
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I could'nt survive without a good weather + clock widget. And I NEED my app killer widget.
thelowend said:
I've never actually played around with a jailbroken iPhone but from what I've read, the only perk is a nice app store. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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Until they started monitoring it, jailbreaking an iPhone also meant you could enable tethering for free.
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I could'nt survive without a good weather + clock widget. And I NEED my app killer widget.
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I like weatherbug. Its has the temp for your area at the left of the status bar. If you pull down the status bar, it has weather info right at the top. Not sure if it has any widgets though.
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They still don't get cool widgets and launchers tho
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I've only used the Google music widget, I put all the icons on the left and right side of the center home screen and keep the wall paper visible haha
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Very unhappy with the G

At first glance I fell in love with this device. Its sleek, has an amazing screen, beautiful design and very fast. Also has a okay camera (prefer my s3 way more). So whats not to love? Well after 9 days and mixing it up between devices my G now has a dead pixel, shuts off and is sluggish. I have no idea why because the phone has never been dropped or exposed to any kid of water. So needless to say I called AT&T and because I am within my 14 day period they are exchanging it even for a New Titanium Galaxy Note 2. Really wish it worked out, loved the phone. So you can catch me me back in the sammy forums for now, still might get another OG.
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At first glance I fell in love with this device. Its sleek, has an amazing screen, beautiful design and very fast. Also has a okay camera (prefer my s3 way more). So whats not to love? Well after 9 days and mixing it up between devices my G now has a dead pixel, shuts off and is sluggish. I have no idea why because the phone has never been dropped or exposed to any kid of water. So needless to say I called AT&T and because I am within my 14 day period they are exchanging it even for a New Titanium Galaxy Note 2. So farewell G people you can catch me me back in the sammy forums. (For now, might try the Nexus 4)
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In most cases the issues of one does not represent the issues of many. Nevertheless, enjoy your Note II.
Cool story bro. Thanks for letting us know. Have a nice day.
No matter how good of quality a device is known for... there is always a bad batch that comes off the assembly line.
This applies to cars, phones, electronics, any consumer product...
I think that in this case, you are one of the unlucky few who got on one from the crap stack.
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No matter how good of quality a device is known for... there is always a bad batch that comes off the assembly line.
This applies to cars, phones, electronics, any consumer product...
I think that in this case, you are one of the unlucky few who got on one from the crap stack.
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Bye not going to miss you I love my phone!!
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Just looking at the OP's "devices" in his sig makes me think he isn't happy with many many many devices...
Why people feel compelled to post these kind of posts is beyond me. You know what? No one really cares that you traded your phone.
Good for you. Enjoy.
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Just looking at the OP's "devices" in his sig makes me think he isn't happy with many many many devices...
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Anyone that has used an iphone is never satisfied, hence why the iphone 5 was lower than the s3 and OG on the consumer reports (LGOG was number 1 in case you were wondering)
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Just looking at the OP's "devices" in his sig makes me think he isn't happy with many many many devices...
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That's what I was thinking
Who was he and why should I miss him?
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Who was he and why should I miss him?
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I don't think you should.
He had a freak occurrence defective device.
So he exchanged it.
I think that is rash, but his choice.
Impacts us in no way.
It is a shame he didn't get to appreciate the true OG.
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I don't think you should.
He had a freak occurrence defective device.
So he exchanged it.
I think that is rash, but his choice.
Impacts us in no way.
It is a shame he didn't get to appreciate the true OG.
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In now way am I bashing or downing the OG. I would have gladly accepted another G in return. As a matter of fact I miss having it, I thought it was a great phone. BUT when I called AT&T and they offered a new Titanium Note 2 as the replacement why would I decline it. Especially if it dsent cost me anything. Like saying " I'm sorry sir that your new Honda Accord is a lemon, would you like this new Corvette for the replacement". Who is going to say no. Not only that but I wanted the note 2, havent had one before. And for the smartass who said " look at all his devices" If you had know that a majority of the android phones were bought and donated to the developers of those devices and that I am sorry I can afford to get the new phones when they come out. Get off my nuts bro dont be jeleous.
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In now way am I bashing or downing the OG. I would have gladly accepted another G in return. As a matter of fact I miss having it, I thought it was a great phone. BUT when I called AT&T and they offered a new Titanium Note 2 as the replacement why would I decline it. Especially if it dsent cost me anything. Like saying " I'm sorry sir that your new Honda Accord is a lemon, would you like this new Corvette for the replacement". Who is going to say no. Not only that but I wanted the note 2, havent had one before. And for the smartass who said " look at all his devices" If you had know that a majority of the android phones were bought and donated to the developers of those devices and that I am sorry I can afford to get the new phones when they come out. Get off my nuts bro dont be jeleous.
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Definitely not "jeleous" about your English vocabulary.
Have fun in the Samsung forums with your ohsoridiculous amount of money. Hope you find less things to complain about with the Note 2 instead of making pointless posts on their subforum as well.
So they replaced a $100 contract phone with a $300 contract phone? Also, not jealous about the devices you have and have had as well as on your nuts about it, as it was a simple statement, that was a nervous assumption on your own, because you're in a corner defending yourself. I'm having fun feeding you as well, due to you being an obvious troll since you've provided nothing informative by making this topic.
Ye best start believin' in troll threads... Yer in one.
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I have the Note 2 and the OG and I have to say the Note 2 is not as nice as the OG.
Only plus side is that it will have much more development support.
LG Optimus G E971
I just sold it, that's it I got tired of waiting for the devs's this phone is top, but will never get support because of LG stupid way of handling advertisements.
They make the phone and its like they don't want to sell it. Stupid LG will never buy form them.
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I just sold it, that's it I got tired of waiting for the devs's this phone is top, but will never get support because of LG stupid way of handling advertisements.
They make the phone and its like they don't want to sell it. Stupid LG will never buy form them.
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That's why I still have my SGS2. I get to flash like crazy when I get the itch, plus, have an awesome backup in case something happens to this.
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Similar here. I have my Galaxy Nexus as a backup.
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[Q] A good "first android phone"?

Jumping ship from iOS to come to Android but with all of the latest great Android phones out there, it's hard to choose which one to pick. I'm familiar with Android already so I know what to expect. The question is, which of the latest and greatest Android smartphones would make a good "first android phone" to really get a good feel of the Android OS.
Edit: Woops, forgot to mention my carrier. I can go with Sprint or T-Mobile.
ximaginex said:
Jumping ship from iOS to come to Android but with all of the latest great Android phones out there, it's hard to choose which one to pick. I'm familiar with Android already so I know what to expect. The question is, which of the latest and greatest Android smartphones would make a good "first android phone" to really get a good feel of the Android OS.
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Which carrier are you planning to use for service? As this will depend which phone you should look into. If you really want to get a good feeling for Android the Nexus 5 is an excellent choice (Not available on Verizon) with the fastest updates, pure AOSP Android and great development support if you want to get into customization. The Galaxy S4 is also a good choice (Available on all major US carriers) it runs Samsung's Touchwiz on top of regular Android, Touchwiz adds many of it's own features to stock Android. However it has slower updates then stock Android and not everyone likes Samsung's customizations. Let me know if you still have questions.
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shimp208 said:
Which carrier are you planning to use for service? As this will depend which phone you should look into. If you really want to get a good feeling for Android the Nexus 5 is an excellent choice (Not available on Verizon) with the fastest updates, pure AOSP Android and great development support if you want to get into customization. The Galaxy S4 is also a good choice (Available on all major US carriers) it runs Samsung's Touchwiz on top of regular Android, Touchwiz adds many of it's own features to stock Android. However it has slower updates then stock Android and not everyone likes Samsung's customizations. Let me know if you still have questions.
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Yea, I have been looking into the Nexus 5 a lot. I actually already ordered it but with the 3 week backorder, I have time to cancel it and pick something else if I decide I like something better. Thanks for the advice.
I'm wondering, do you have a Nexus 5? Because I'm reading reviews about a "washed out" screen but I'm not sure what they meant by that exactly.
I'm thrilled with the LG G2. I spent the past couple of years on the Galaxy Nexus and I don't mind the additions to the UI that LG brings, including some great camera software and extra multi tasking options. The screen is arguably the best on the market, it comes with 32gb, tri band LTE capability, world phone functionality, a 13mp camera that is neck in neck with the iPhone in reviews, and it's only $99 with contract at Best Buy on all carriers. I believe you can get it online or in the store and get some kind of $50 gift certificate deal too.
Those that prefer pure Google Android can argue, but, like the Moto X, there really is no bloatware and LG adds functionality straight up Google doesn't have including better camera software. AND, in about a month it will have Kit Kat.
Totally worth a stop at Best Buy to play with it.
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ximaginex said:
Yea, I have been looking into the Nexus 5 a lot. I actually already ordered it but with the 3 week backorder, I have time to cancel it and pick something else if I decide I like something better. Thanks for the advice.
I'm wondering, do you have a Nexus 5? Because I'm reading reviews about a "washed out" screen but I'm not sure what they meant by that exactly.
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I don't personally have a Nexus 5 (I have a Verizon Galaxy S3), but in general reviews have been positive. What they mean by "washed out" is colors may not appear to be as sharp or vivid or blacks might not appear deep enough, keep in mind what appears "washed out" to someone may not be to another person as result this can be somewhat subjective.
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ximaginex said:
Jumping ship from iOS to come to Android but with all of the latest great Android phones out there, it's hard to choose which one to pick. I'm familiar with Android already so I know what to expect. The question is, which of the latest and greatest Android smartphones would make a good "first android phone" to really get a good feel of the Android OS.
Edit: Woops, forgot to mention my carrier. I can go with Sprint or T-Mobile.
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LG Nexus 5/Google Nexus 5
I really want it
n dreamed about it
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LG Nexus 5/Google Nexus 5
I really want it
n dreamed about it
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Me too! Freaking backorder man. I ordered it a over week ago and it says that it'll take until December 3rd to start shipping. Makes me wish I paid those couple extra $$ for two day shipping. Now that its taking so long to ship, I'm having second thoughts about which phone to get...
ximaginex said:
Me too! Freaking backorder man. I ordered it a over week ago and it says that it'll take until December 3rd to start shipping. Makes me wish I paid those couple extra $$ for two day shipping. Now that its taking so long to ship, I'm having second thoughts about which phone to get...
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I can't do it right now, don't have enough money to buy it
see my signature, I need pray from everyone so I can get it
nasheich said:
I can't do it right now, don't have enough money to buy it
see my signature, I need pray from everyone so I can get it
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I'm praying for you man, but honestly you're not missing out on much. 32gb Black isn't even shipping until December, so technically you could get the phone at the same time as everyone else if you raise enough money by December 3rd.
ximaginex said:
I'm praying for you man, but honestly you're not missing out on much. 32gb Black isn't even shipping until December, so technically you could get the phone at the same time as everyone else if you raise enough money by December 3rd.
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thanks man

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