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Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
emigre said:
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
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You don't need two of the same thing. I haven't used titanium but nandroid is a, if you will, what-you-see-is-what-you-get backup....what I mean by this is it will back up your phone in the exact state it is...you can't choose to exclude this or that, etc. I prefer mybackup pro because the one time I used titanium I couldn't figure out what to do cuz the GUI was so scrub. That's just me tho.
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I think the main difference is that nandroid will restore everything back the way it was through recovery. With Titanium Backup, you can backup your apps+data and restore them if you flash a new ROM. So like if you upgrade to the latest version of CM6 or Liberated, you can carry your apps over. If you restore the nandroid, it will restore the old ROM too.
Thanks for the response guys.
@blindfusion: I think you just pointed out the main difference there. I didn't think of it that way, the old ROM would also be flashed!
@zervic: Now I think I'll need to get my hands on a backup app. Will check out backup Pro!
Thanks again!
under nandroid/advanced restore, there's an option to restore data. not sure how it differs from titanium. i think titanium let's you pick the apps to back up. nandroid just backs up everything.
So does nandroid also give us the option to restore data (ie. Saved apps, datas, etc) under advanced without flashing the old ROM back in?
For example if i were to flash a newer ROM (FR007 for instance), then i'd be able to have access and restore ALL the backed up data in nandroid? And have a newer version of the OS?
Am i missing something here? I guess i just want to keep my aria light and avoid installing apps i absoloutely do not need. To keep it zippy and maintain precious internal memory.
Thanks again everyone!
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that's how i've restored apps/data after updating rom.
Thanks for the confirmation Darren!
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
No titanium backs up app and their data only.nandroid is a full system image.
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androidlover123 said:
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
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Always make both before flashing a new ROM. If everything goes according to plan, run Titanium to restore all your apps into the new ROM. If something goes wrong, you can use Nandroid to restore your phone to pre-flash state.
Also, you should copy the Nandroid file to your computer. If your phone is ever lost or stolen and you get a new one, you can restore it to your old phone's image.
NANDroid backup is a complete image of your phone: the OS, apps, data, everything. So if you screw up your phone, like making it unbootable, or accidentally wiping it clean, you can restore the image and everything will be back to the way it was when you did the backup.
Titanium Backup is an app in your OS that backs up other apps, their data, and some system data / user settings. It's usually used, for example, for restoring apps and their data after a clean install, where you've wiped everything clean.
The two options are fundamentally different, but do have some overlap.
I've never got nandroid backup to work for me personally. Always comes up, "backup not found".
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
silentsigma said:
glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
thanks. that answer all of my backup questions.
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Theonew said:
You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
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Sorry still unclear for me, so if i have CWM i will go to recovery and there i can performe the backup right?
that copies the nandroid to my Sd card? and that image is flasheable image? is that correct? sorry if any of those is a stupid question :S
Edit: Nevermind, i found a guide here that is good for newbies like me, but thanks anyway
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
ferns_mccanus said:
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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1. Correct. Its highly likely that there will be issues (device won't boot) on almost every occasion.
2. Yes. You may also want to exclude "app data," since it may cause a bootloop or system instability (on some occasions). You could keep a Tb backup if you wish.
It won't be a fatal mistake, but the device will just not boot up (soft-brick). You would have to boot into recovery mode a restore/flash a rom made for the device.
Yes, that's correct.
I know it's possible do restore apps and such using Titanium backup but I'm wondering if it's possible to restore using the TWRP backup?
I'm not sure what the different things do that TWRP backs up. System, cache, recovery, boot, data, (and something else). If it's possible to restore apps and such restoring from some of those, which ones?
Thanks
ItsTommyGun said:
I know it's possible do restore apps and such using Titanium backup but I'm wondering if it's possible to restore using the TWRP backup?
I'm not sure what the different things do that TWRP backs up. System, cache, recovery, boot, data, (and something else). If it's possible to restore apps and such restoring from some of those, which ones?
Thanks
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Make sure you do a nand backup then after you flash a rom go to your nand backup and restore only the data,
This has worked for me
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ItsTommyGun said:
I know it's possible do restore apps and such using Titanium backup but I'm wondering if it's possible to restore using the TWRP backup?
I'm not sure what the different things do that TWRP backs up. System, cache, recovery, boot, data, (and something else). If it's possible to restore apps and such restoring from some of those, which ones?
Thanks
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josh030181 said:
Make sure you do a nand backup then after you flash a rom go to your nand backup and restore only the data,
This has worked for me
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Yes, restoring only the data partition will restore both the application .apk files themselves as well as the application's data files (settings, etc). The issue is when restoring data from a different ROM, the uid/gid could mismatch and cause a boot loop. This is one of the main reasons people suggest to wipe the data before loading a new ROM. Sometimes this issue can be fixed using the script, fix_permissions, in the custom recovery.
I think using Titanium Backup might work around this permissions uid/gid issue and might be one of the reasons people chose this over a nandroid restore of just the data partition.
In regards to your other question of what the different partitions "do" which TWRP backs up, here is a rough list off the top of my head:
system (holds all the Android OS files and stock apps)
data (holds all settings and 3rd party apps)
cache (temp partition usually used to store downloaded OTAs before they are loaded)
recovery (stores the custom recovery)
boot (stores the kernel)
Hope that helps fill in some of the missing details!
joeykrim said:
In regards to your other question of what the different partitions "do" which TWRP backs up, here is a rough list off the top of my head:
system (holds all the Android OS files and stock apps)
data (holds all settings and 3rd party apps)
cache (temp partition usually used to store downloaded OTAs before they are loaded)
recovery (stores the custom recovery)
boot (stores the kernel)
Hope that helps fill in some of the missing details!
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That does help. Thanks!
Can anyone advice me on what can be done if anything?. I have a S3 LTE Gt-I9305 I installed Titanium Pro and CWM. Did back ups on both and then decided to only keep CWM and promply went on to flash my ROM. It looks like the Ripper ROM has loaded but the touch screen won’t work visually it works fine but to unlock the screen, nothing happens. What could be the cause?. Secondly is there any way to re install titanium back on the phone as I have titanium backup files and hope that will restore the phone back to normal. Any advice???.
CWM & Titanium Back backups are two different things. CWM does a nandroid backup which includes your complete phone setup at the time of backing up. Titanium only backs up apps (user & system) & data.
Hence if you want to return to your old phone's setup you have to use your CWM backup.
Maybe read some of the guides in the FAQ thread to get up to speed on flashing, backups etc. first before you move on!
chrismast said:
CWM & Titanium Back backups are two different things. CWM does a nandroid backup which includes your complete phone setup at the time of backing up. Titanium only backs up apps (user & system) & data.
Hence if you want to return to your old phone's setup you have to use your CWM backup.
Maybe read some of the guides in the FAQ thread to get up to speed on flashing, backups etc. first before you move on!
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Thanks!. I know they two different thngs, hence me asking if there is any way of restoring Titanium back onto the phone, as I think the reason the touch screen on my phone may not be working because there could be a system file missing which CWM has not backed up. And CWM won't restore Titanium files or not that I am aware of.
Rich32 said:
Thanks!. I know they two different thngs, hence me asking if there is any way of restoring Titanium back onto the phone, as I think the reason the touch screen on my phone may not be working because there could be a system file missing which CWM has not backed up. And CWM won't restore Titanium files or not that I am aware of.
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Sure you can restore from Titanium, but I guess a safer bet in your case would be to do a factory wipe and flash a stock ROM. Easier and cleaner way as CWM usually backups any file, would be strange if it misses a few.
anyone know how to restore just the SMS data history from Nandroid backup?
chrismast said:
Sure you can restore from Titanium, but I guess a safer bet in your case would be to do a factory wipe and flash a stock ROM. Easier and cleaner way as CWM usually backups any file, would be strange if it misses a few.
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Mmm.... Thats the problem I have done a factroy wipe and flashed a stock ROM didn't seem to help. Not even too sure i might have even accsedentally deleted a file from the phone when it was connected to my pc. and without the screen working I don't know that I can re load Titanium as the screen touch pad won't work.
Rich32 said:
Mmm.... Thats the problem I have done a factroy wipe and flashed a stock ROM didn't seem to help. Not even too sure i might have even accsedentally deleted a file from the phone when it was connected to my pc. and without the screen working I don't know that I can re load Titanium as the screen touch pad won't work.
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even if you deleted a file, you should be able to flash a stock ROM via Odin in Download Mode (as far as the hardware buttons still work).
If you really flashed a stock ROM already, you could still try to flash your nandroid via CWM (should also support navigation via hardware buttons or not?), and if this doesn't work I am out of options :-/
popeye3rd said:
anyone know how to restore just the SMS data history from Nandroid backup?
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Nandroid manager
Glebun said:
Nandroid manager
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Yes, I already installed Nandroid manager but i don't know where to look for it.
Is this the right one /data/data/com.android.mms
IIRC it has the option to restore SMS
I have my HAM2 bootloader unlocked, rooted and flashed permanent TWRP recovery, but can't restore data using Mybackup Pro. Anyone else having the same issue using this app?
Any help will be most appreciative. Thanks in advance.:silly:
[email protected] said:
I have my HAM2 bootloader unlocked, rooted and flashed permanent TWRP recovery, but can't restore data using Mybackup Pro. Anyone else having the same issue using this app?
Any help will be most appreciative. Thanks in advance.:silly:
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I use TWRP all the time and I have no issue with my backup or restore. I currently have 4 backups and all have been restored one time or another. Is your TWRP blue or yellow?
Yellow.
Actually, I was trying to restore my apks and data AFTER I made two nandroid backups of the stock ROM: One totally stock and one after mods to build. prop and removal of bloatware.
and what is the error message? I will upload a restore if you want and you can try to restore it if you want and it will tell you if its the backup or the phone recovery itself.
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and what is the error message? I will upload a restore if you want and you can try to restore it if you want and it will tell you if its the backup or the phone recovery itself.
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Do you mean a restore from TWRP or the MyBackup Pro app?
If it's the latter, then, sure. I'll try anything once lol.
Oh, BTW, there were no error messages shown. Everything ran normally.
twrp bug
I found that twrp 2.8.3.0 cannot restore the DATA partition on my Samsung Galaxy S5 (klte).
I went back to 2.8.1.0 and now I can restore also DATA.
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I found that twrp 2.8.3.0 cannot restore the DATA partition on my Samsung Galaxy S5 (klte).
I went back to 2.8.1.0 and now I can restore also DATA.
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This is some valuable info. I need to check my version of TWRP then. Thanks for the tip!
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This is some valuable info. I need to check my version of TWRP then. Thanks for the tip!
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I have TWRP ver. 2.8.0.0. Will I still be able to restore data partitions on that?
I'm also curious about the issue of restoring my apks and data onto the phone AFTER full wipe thru TWRP. It's been ongoing since TWRP was installed. A Dev team for their popular backup app is still checking for more bugs.
I think I'm lost at ...why not just restore data with TWRP?
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Iguanadon said:
I think I'm lost at ...why not just restore data with TWRP?
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Restoring a nandroid backup thru TWRP was never an issue. That part works fine. It's restoring the apps and data that are stored on my memory card back onto the device AFTER a clean wipe using the My Backup Pro app is where I'm having problems.
I hope this has clarified things a bit.
[email protected] said:
Restoring a nandroid backup thru TWRP was never an issue. That part works fine. It's restoring the apps and data that are stored on my memory card back onto the device AFTER a clean wipe using the My Backup Pro app is where I'm having problems.
I hope this has clarified things a bit.
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Titanium Backup works to properly restore data and apps after a new wipe or even a new phone (dissimilar hardware). I haven't used the My Backup Pro app because Titanium Backup (root) has worked so well...that or just nandroid/twrp full backups. Have you tried restoring via TWRP, then make a new backup with Titanium backup then wipe, then use TI to restore apps+data?
Hello everyone,
Can I ask how do I exclude all sensitive data when I perform nandroid backup of the system and data partition of my phone using the latest TWRP recovery v3.1.1-0?
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Hello everyone,
Can I ask how do I exclude all sensitive data when I perform nandroid backup of the system and data partition of my phone using the latest TWRP recovery v3.1.1-0?
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There really isn't a way... What I would do is backup system and data, then copy all data apps you want included to the sdcard. Then factory reset. (To remove sensitive info) Skip thru the setup wizard, enable unknown sources, then backdoor the apps. (Still with no google account tied to the phone)
Next make a new backup of system and data for whoever you're sharing this with...then restore your original backup so everything is back the way you had it.
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If you plan on sharing it. Don't. Nandroid backups also back up stuff that is device dependent. Many devices have been bricked because they restored a Nandroid from another device. Even if it is the same model.