I'm coming from a S3 and had MOAR Rom on it and loved that Rom. I want to root my note 3 but the main reasons I want to are for a notification bar with white icons and pull down toggles. And for the rest of the Rom to be blacked out or monotone as possible. Any roms that come close?
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Well, most people will tell you to... Wait for it...
Look through the ROMs we have!
Most have screen shots, and several have themes you can flash to change those sort of things. And while I don't know much about it, the exposed framework thing allows you to do that, if I'm correct? Micmars?
I believe as well that minim maximus has a blacked out theme for that...
Good luck!
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I was looking at minim maximus as one of my top choices.
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Wanam xposed module for the Xposed framework will let you theme pretty much every aspect of your framework....statusbar icons, pulldown toggles, etc. For example, I changed mine to ICS-ish blue
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kingdazy said:
Well, most people will tell you to... Wait for it...
Looking through the ROMs we have! Most have screen shots, and several have themes you can flash to change those sort of things. And while I don't know much about it, the exposed framework thing allows you to do that, if I'm correct? Micmars?
I believe as well that minim maximus has a blacked out theme for that...
Good luck!
Sent from my calculator watch.
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You had to bait me @kingdazy with this wicked good question from @mainstang.
mainstang said:
I'm coming from a S3 and had MOAR Rom on it and loved that Rom. I want to root my note 3 but the main reasons I want to are for a notification bar with white icons and pull down toggles. And for the rest of the Rom to be blacked out or monotone as possible. Any roms that come close?
Sent from my Glitter Pony!!!
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For this I'll assume that you've tripped Knox. Also, though these are limned in a discrete manner, they have commonalities that break over each. Still, there is sufficient differentiation to attempt to categorize. Furthermore, while this is an attempt to observe, remember that for the vast majority of devs, they work tirelessly for your benefit. Thank often, show respect, and try to avoid dev fanboy traps. These guys are doing a ton for little reward beyond conquering. They all deserve respect.
So...here is my view of the matter, which should be taken with a heavy dose of reticence, inasmuch as it's my opinion, which is convenient, since I'm also an a-hole...
TouchWiz...
1. Heavily Themed Roms: sort of an all-inclusive setup, the rom cook is perhaps gifted at development, theming, or both, but none is a one-dev show, as they are borrowing (hopefully the best) of what others have wrought. User experience is typically excellent, but expect updates, especially if the rom has themed apps that update often. These needn't be viewed as an all-or-nothing endeavor, but they were perhaps designed with that goal in mind. There are true graphic artists out there; just look at the work they do to make all of those images work in concert so that your phone will never be defiled by Sammy's disgusting color palette. And the images are only part of the story. Finding the code that allows for your text to appear nicely in every place on the phone is a daunting task. Battery life and performance can be awesome. Most everything works perfectly.
2. Performance Centric Roms: The dev is making something with performance in mind, and typically is less concerned about theming and more focused on performance and sometimes incredibly creative features. You'll get snappy performance, great battery life, and typically a smaller footprint. As to theming, you can do that post hoc, by grabbing a bit of what you like, adding inverted apps (camblue, Gunthermic, Kryten2k35, Team BlackOut, many others, and most of these are TBO members anyway), and flashing things like Blue X, Black Chrome, &c. In general you'll get fewer updates, but when they arrive, it is more often adding cool new stuff as opposed to an updated themed app.
3. Stock Rooted Rom: Whether DeOdex or Odex, grab the entire build and make whatcha want. Freeze apps, replace them, add inverted apps, boot animations, sound mods...hell, if you're feeling adventurous, push framework-res.apk and SystemUI.apk from any rom hewn from the same stuff (MJ4) to the stock rom and you have a new rom just for you. Caution on the former file, push it from recovery, reset permissions on first boot.
4. Additional Tools: kernels, Xposed modules, sound mods, just endless choices. Rip it to the ti+s.
AOSP roms...
1. Official Nightlies: Pure KitKat love, fast, lean, and some may label them bug-laden to some extent (oftentimes unfairly, since by definition, an AOSP rom just isn't designed to be a TouchWiz copycat). Use if ya dig it.
2. AOSP Offshoots: There are at least a few. They all take a bit of this and that, some eye-popping cool going on, just select your brand of cool before you choose.
A final word, this is a relatively new device just taking hold, and we already have a strong variety of choices. None is best, but one, I bet, is right for you.
Hope this helps.
Happy flashing!
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micmars you are everywhere. Thank you so much for the detailed response. I haven't rooted yet. I know I have asked a ton of questions already. You and kingdazy have came quickly with answers. Just want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row for a solid reason to root.
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micmars you are everywhere. Thank you so much for the detailed response. I haven't rooted yet. I know I have asked a ton of questions already. You and kingdazy have came quickly with answers. Just want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row for a solid reason to root.
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Hope you make an informed decision. However, I do wish to see this glitter pony.
Share, ya flippin miser.
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micmars said:
So...here is my view of the matter, which should be taken with a heavy dose of reticence, inasmuch as it's my opinion, which is convenient, since I'm also an a-hole..
A final word, this is a relatively new device just taking hold, and we already have a strong variety of choices. None is best, but one, I bet, is right for you.
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holy crap @micmars, you're XDAs poet laureate. you make make my own not inconsiderable skills of rhetoric and oratory pale.
*slow clap*
jellybomb ROM is there any way to change the function of the home button? i get the 4 in 1 menu but i would like the recent app drawer..thank you in advance(noob here sorry)
malia420a said:
jellybomb ROM is there any way to change the function of the home button? i get the 4 in 1 menu but i would like the recent app drawer..thank you in advance(noob here sorry)
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Kinda wrong place to post, but who cares? You asked, here's your answer...
Wanam Xposed, go to system, last cluster under the heading "buttons" will get ya there.
As an aside, Wanam has updated a ton in the last few days. Your settings will maintain, just letting you know.
PS, everybody is a noob if you dial in the right scenario. I think that it's always OK to ask first instead of forging ahead without knowing what to expect (which even the most experienced do, and why I mentioned the bit about all being noobs).
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holy crap @micmars, you're XDAs poet laureate. you make make my own not inconsiderable skills of rhetoric and oratory pale.
*slow clap*
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Way too kind my friend. I am a bit uncomfortable with complements, but I do appreciate yours very much.
I've read your posts, and your writing is skills are outstanding.
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micmars said:
You had to bait me @kingdazy with this wicked good question from @mainstang.
For this I'll assume that you've tripped Knox. Also, though these are limned in a discrete manner, they have commonalities that break over each. Still, there is sufficient differentiation to attempt to categorize. Furthermore, while this is an attempt to observe, remember that for the vast majority of devs, they work tirelessly for your benefit. Thank often, show respect, and try to avoid dev fanboy traps. These guys are doing a ton for little reward beyond conquering. They all deserve respect.
So...here is my view of the matter, which should be taken with a heavy dose of reticence, inasmuch as it's my opinion, which is convenient, since I'm also an a-hole...
TouchWiz...
1. Heavily Themed Roms: sort of an all-inclusive setup, the rom cook is perhaps gifted at development, theming, or both, but none is a one-dev show, as they are borrowing (hopefully the best) of what others have wrought. User experience is typically excellent, but expect updates, especially if the rom has themed apps that update often. These needn't be viewed as an all-or-nothing endeavor, but they were perhaps designed with that goal in mind. There are true graphic artists out there; just look at the work they do to make all of those images work in concert so that your phone will never be defiled by Sammy's disgusting color palette. And the images are only part of the story. Finding the code that allows for your text to appear nicely in every place on the phone is a daunting task. Battery life and performance can be awesome. Most everything works perfectly.
2. Performance Centric Roms: The dev is making something with performance in mind, and typically is less concerned about theming and more focused on performance and sometimes incredibly creative features. You'll get snappy performance, great battery life, and typically a smaller footprint. As to theming, you can do that post hoc, by grabbing a bit of what you like, adding inverted apps (camblue, Gunthermic, Kryten2k35, Team BlackOut, many others, and most of these are TBO members anyway), and flashing things like Blue X, Black Chrome, &c. In general you'll get fewer updates, but when they arrive, it is more often adding cool new stuff as opposed to an updated themed app.
3. Stock Rooted Rom: Whether DeOdex or Odex, grab the entire build and make whatcha want. Freeze apps, replace them, add inverted apps, boot animations, sound mods...hell, if you're feeling adventurous, push framework-res.apk and SystemUI.apk from any rom hewn from the same stuff (MJ4) to the stock rom and you have a new rom just for you. Caution on the former file, push it from recovery, reset permissions on first boot.
4. Additional Tools: kernels, Xposed modules, sound mods, just endless choices. Rip it to the ti+s.
AOSP roms...
1. Official Nightlies: Pure KitKat love, fast, lean, and some may label them bug-laden to some extent (oftentimes unfairly, since by definition, an AOSP rom just isn't designed to be a TouchWiz copycat). Use if ya dig it.
2. AOSP Offshoots: There are at least a few. They all take a bit of this and that, some eye-popping cool going on, just select your brand of cool before you choose.
A final word, this is a relatively new device just taking hold, and we already have a strong variety of choices. None is best, but one, I bet, is right for you.
Hope this helps.
Happy flashing!
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Wow! You should write a book bro.. your awesome! Lol
ImEVO said:
Wow! You should write a book bro.. your awesome! Lol
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I'm on it. You quoted the first chapter, which is called "How to Avoid All Human Contact and Have a Blast While Doing It."
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micmars said:
I'm on it. You quoted the first chapter, which is called "How to Avoid All Human Contact and Have a Blast While Doing It."
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Lol
Related
So since there's only about 5 or 6 custom ROM's at the moment I took the liberty of creating a quick site to compare the ROM's. I put them in a comparison table side-by-side, put a link to download them (off my own site [so this can be used as a mirror]) and put a link to my own personal thoughts/semi-informal review of each ROM and included screen-shots of the ROM (90% of it I took myself).
I wanted to share the link/site with you to see what you think. I'm going to try and stay on top of updates and such, and each page on the site has a way for you to leave a comment. So if you have any suggestions or problems, feel free to comment there (or here). Also, if you want to submit your own review, thoughts, suggestions, etc. the site has a way for you to post it and I can look it over and publish it. I'd love for this not to be a one man show. If you have extensive experience with one of the ROM's and want to throw in your own review, post it there and I'll make it live and link to it in the comparison table.
I know I'm going to get blasted, told how stupid and useless the site is, etc. etc. and I'm prepared for that, but maybe you could also include a quick note on why it's stupid, what I need to add, how better to improve it, etc. you know, constructive criticism. I do know it's ugly and using a crappy default skin, but I was more concerned on getting content in there right now vs the look and feel of the actual thing; I'll get around to it, eventually. Anyways, I'm only trying to help.
http://sgs2.glitchsys.com/
Thank you, this is very helpful to a newcomer to Android. I'll try to find time to read through the reviews, as I want to find the right ROM without the hassle of flashing each one (but I guess you'll never know which one works best for you unless you try it...). The comparison table helps a lot.
Nice compilation! Was worth a read! Thanks for gathering all these into one
This is awesome! Many thanks. I had asked to setup something similar a while back with all the Galaxy Tab ROMs. Never took off. I can definitely see that this could take a bit of work keeping it current. Hopefully folks will help out in that area.
i like the work u did...
Thanks for this! Really helpful to new guys.
Serendipity is at 8.1; added the file to the server, updated the Download link and included his changes in the table. It's all good.
i dont think that site is stupid at all. I think it'll help a lot of the newbies but that takes a lot of work to update. As long as it stays updated, I dont see how anyone can say that its a bad idea.
One issue that the devs MIGHT have is that you saved their ROMs and update files to your own server. I know some devs dont like that (at least some on the captivate section didn't) but maybe thats different, here.
Really nice to see all the listed items in there, I know it would be hard to list them all but but maybe point out in the CM7 section more (if not including all seperately) the Modifications, Theme Chooser, Etc. that are built into CM7 by design without the need for more apps, rom tweaks. Also note that the CM7 camera does not have the same options as stock and how the video recording rate is not the 30 fps as with the stock roms. I am trying to be impartial here but thought I would note that looking at your site would make some think CM7 didn't have much to it, when in fact it has many options and setting built in that are not available to stock roms or how stock roms would need some other changes to get things to work the same. On another note the ONLY downfall I see with CM7 is the contact searching would be nicer to have a letter on the side.of the screen like stock does so I don't have to scroll all the way down to find a contact and would be nice to have speed dial working without another app from the market.
Just trying to point out a few plus's and minuses of CM7 to help you add to your great comparison site.
Sent From My KICKASS CM7 AT&T SGS2
Nice work -- the only suggestion I would make is that UnNamed's section is huge compared to the others - so unless you are specifically recommending that one, you may want to equalize the columns.
But other than that -- I think a very helpful resource for folks who are new to the phone looking to get a quick comparison of which ROM to try first!
@RockRatt can I use some of your wording in my review? I'll update my CM7 section/review but you wrote a lot of nice ideas.
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@RockRatt can I use some of your wording in my review? I'll update my CM7 section/review but you wrote a lot of nice ideas.
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Of course you can. I am just trying to help out so others can see all the different roms in a somewhat even light as to function and features. I know it is/will be a work in progress and it is looking good.
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I'm not sure if Geeklog has wiki features, but if it does maybe you could give some people editing rights in order to help you keep it up to date. Less work for you.
otherwise, excellent work!
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glitchsys said:
So since there's only about 5 or 6 custom ROM's at the moment I took the liberty of creating a quick site to compare the ROM's.
http://sgs2.glitchsys.com/
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Was looking for something just like this and now it's gone...anyone know what happened to it? or if there's another?
pinoymutt said:
Nice work -- the only suggestion I would make is that UnNamed's section is huge compared to the others - so unless you are specifically recommending that one, you may want to equalize the columns.
But other than that -- I think a very helpful resource for folks who are new to the phone looking to get a quick comparison of which ROM to try first!
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in other words, its best not to introduce bias..:victory:
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in other words, its best not to introduce bias..:victory:
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pffffttt! competition is healthy. and it's not like people don't have their favorite and tout it as 'the best' at any and every opportunity anyway.
Holy Necro, Batman!
Yeh these crop up every once in a while. Should've sprayed it with crop duster. Dangit. Ah we'll next time .
The page is down.
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I am looking for or wishing to learn how to make a ROM that is almost completely debloated, removed much of Sense (but I wanna keep the lockscreen as I use the four functions that can be there), themed in a red that matches the Beats logo on the back of the phone and/or the soft keys, tweaks would be amazing (quick settings in the sense of removing/re-ordering, WiFi on/off instead of taking you to WiFi settings, custom carrier & lockscreen captions, clock alignment are the big ones), and a custom kernel that allows it to move quickly yet sip battery as much as possible.
Basically, I guess I am looking for something similar to what Scott's ROMs used to be, but at the same time I wanna incorporate more ICS into it.
If anyone is able to build something like this relatively easily I would love it!! If you wanna try to teach me this stuff let me know. I have always wanted to but haven't been able to find the time to research all the details.
Well I'd say as long as you have some experience with code, you could look at source for some roms and start tweaking things and basically find out how things work. If not, then maybe try just flashing mods onto a deodexed stock rom
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Sent you a pm Scooby might be exactly what you're looking for.
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Is there any web sites or anything where one can learn basic android development? Just stuff like theming and other small scale things. I would enjoy learning more later on, when I get an experimental phone.
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im great with graphical work and know quite a bit of coding. I've been debating on building my own rom for the rezound and trying to be as stable as possible but i myself dont know where to even start. Been doing small tweaks here and there on a few roms and so far ive managed to put together by scraps a black and red theme and ui but can be time consuming...would love to work on a team and push out something with jellybean
Hate to say it but looks like some Note 2 TW devs are leaving the phone. Seems they are vanishing weekly. Too bad because there were some great ROMs out there and I hate to see some of them go for the VZW variant. Really sad that VZW and Samsung are making things so difficult for devs these days. Makes me wonder if they left it open just long enough to steal hard working dev ideas for themselves without having to pay an R&D department to test the OS. Looks like AOSP 4.3 ROMs are starting to take off though, and with the addition of the App Bar, Halo and a host of other mods by great devs we still have a few options. That coupled with great mod apps in the Play Store you can almost get the TW experience with AOSP now.
Or maybe they are moving on to other projects until we get the 4.3 TW update. Then, hopefully some of them will return and develop for one of the top devices still on the market. The Note 3 will most likely be locked down like the S4 so I am thinking the Note 2 may be the last great Samsung device open to rooting and having the ability to flash custom ROMs.
To all the devs that made (or still making) great TW ROMs for our VZW Note 2, thanks for all your hard work. I know I have enjoyed being able to try different ROMs and tinkering with them. You all deserve donations and our gratitude. You guys and gals make the Android experience enjoyable for all of us.
I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
BennyJr said:
I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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Hopefully thats the case. Or it may be time to switch carriers. Kinda tired of VZW and their procedures anyway.
If I could I'd leave for an att mnvo but I can't
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BennyJr said:
I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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What's wrong with the s3?
I'm sure the s4 will have an unlocked bootloader soon, especially with the 3k+ bounty.
TBH, this is what always happens. it makes sense that the devs move back to the latest phone. plus the note 3 is coming out soon too, so, yeah, pretty sure what happened to the s3 will happen to the note 2.
at first I really liked TW, but then I switched to the PACman rom and I haven't looked back. the features on TW are nice, but honestly I don't use them that much. i know every user varies, but there are a lot of apps out there that replace TW functionality. I really haven't noticed since switching. I just was unhappy being on 4.1.
As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
Also keep in mind that the xposed framework has removed a lot of the necessity for a true custom rom as it does just about everything that previously had to be hardcoded in. Most custom roms anymore are really just themes with xposed installed by default.
kimdoocheol said:
What's wrong with the s3?
I'm sure the s4 will have an unlocked bootloader soon, especially with the 3k+ bounty.
TBH, this is what always happens. it makes sense that the devs move back to the latest phone. plus the note 3 is coming out soon too, so, yeah, pretty sure what happened to the s3 will happen to the note 2.
at first I really liked TW, but then I switched to the PACman rom and I haven't looked back. the features on TW are nice, but honestly I don't use them that much. i know every user varies, but there are a lot of apps out there that replace TW functionality. I really haven't noticed since switching. I just was unhappy being on 4.1.
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The S4 wont be unlocked...however Im sure something like Kexec or Safestrap will be used to work around the Locked Bootloader. If you read into the details of Qualcomm processors and qfuses, you will quickly learn its pretty much impossible.
JB is still a very active rom, as is Nebula. One of the problems I have run into is that many of the roms are built on the international base. Cleanrom was the perfect rom for me but unfortunately Scott has moved on.
Jellybeans = very active, but I personally seem to always have little issues, I have however never seen anyone else with them.
Cleanrom = dead, but rock solid stable for me
Transnebula = Great support, and very active, however the tab UI just does not work for me... I would KILL to have these guys put together something like clean rom but with floating multiwindow. (One of the devs is also f&*(ing Batman in disguise I swear, listening to his gadget list is bloody awesome)
Lab Rats = a theme beast, but I am not really into theming, seems to me there is always something not quite right with custom themes.
There are also a few international based roms that are very active.
Edit: Oh yeah, also beware flashing Lab Rats at work unless you want your co-workers making fun of you for the boot up sound
kennyglass123 said:
As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
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Agreed. I actually missed my GS3 for about 2 months until the N2 ROMs started picking up. Now I'm digging PAC Man 4.3 and can't wait to see what happens with TW 4.3. Just hope the devs migrate back eventually. The N2 is a great device.
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Morkai Almandragon said:
JB is still a very active rom, as is Nebula. One of the problems I have run into is that many of the roms are built on the international base. Cleanrom was the perfect rom for me but unfortunately Scott has moved on.
Jellybeans = very active, but I personally seem to always have little issues, I have however never seen anyone else with them.
Cleanrom = dead, but rock solid stable for me
Transnebula = Great support, and very active, however the tab UI just does not work for me... I would KILL to have these guys put together something like clean rom but with floating multiwindow. (One of the devs is also f&*(ing Batman in disguise I swear, listening to his gadget list is bloody awesome)
Lab Rats = a theme beast, but I am not really into theming, seems to me there is always something not quite right with custom themes.
There are also a few international based roms that are very active.
Edit: Oh yeah, also beware flashing Lab Rats at work unless you want your co-workers making fun of you for the boot up sound
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Beans just got a Moto X so I hope he builds for the N2 still after 4.3 drops.
Haven't tried Trans yet. Not a big tablet UI fan.
Still need to try the newest Lab Rats
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Real_JESRadio said:
Beans just got a Moto X so I hope he builds for the N2 still after 4.3 drops.
Haven't tried Trans yet. Not a big tablet UI fan.
Still need to try the newest Lab Rats
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I could not imagine going from the Note 2 to the Moto X lol
We have patches to run roms from other carriers, as well as rock solid roms that work flawlessly. X posed has opened up almost endless possibilities, and active themers(<is this even a word?) )help the look of a lot of the roms we do have. One of the best things we have is a bunch of good natured members willing to help, and learn. This goes a long way. New developers are born every day. Some will leave, some will stay. Heck Deckoz just started. Trans nebula is his first rom. This phone is a nice piece of kit, and unless I can get a xperia xl super cheap, and working flawless on Verizon, then I am staying put for awhile. You guys are stuck with me.
Morkai Almandragon said:
I could not imagine going from the Note 2 to the Moto X lol
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Honestly it's a gorgeous device. Almost pure android on it, some nice moto features. I would get it if I didn't have a note. It's honestly still in the back of my mind to get one. It's smaller yeah but it's got a really nice feel in the hand. Very smooth running device
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Feel the same as the op but remaining hopeful and patient. Really sad to see cleanrom go and nothing really along those lines. I like beans also and not sure how much more he can do with it until there's a 4.3 to work off of. I've been messing with nova themes and other mods to keep me busy. That and just enjoying the phone with what we have.
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Nova and the host of goodies and apps has made the TW experience more enjoyable until 4.3 drops. I realize the TW devs are limited until the next update. Heck I flashed back to Beans just to mess with X Posed since I really never have in TW roms.
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SSLauncher is pretty cool as well. Looking forward to trying all kinds of possibilities.
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ExFAT and AOSP
kennyglass123 said:
As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
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Kenny,
Since your are reading ( and cleaning- thanks!) a lot of posts I wonder if you have seen any ExFat support for AOSP roms.Actually I want to be able to format a 64GB sandisk and be able see all ( most) of 64G and be able to put files larger than 4G.
Any AOSP roms/kernels with such support?
Many thanks
Abe
abe_cedar said:
Kenny,
Since your are reading ( and cleaning- thanks!) a lot of posts I wonder if you have seen any ExFat support for AOSP roms.Actually I want to be able to format a 64GB sandisk and be able see all ( most) of 64G and be able to put files larger than 4G.
Any AOSP roms/kernels with such support?
Many thanks
Abe
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Looks like it is mostly CM 10.1 support but found these : http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=Exfat on cM
Updates are great, but since TW has its own limitations and we've had 4.1.2 for how long now? Tweaks can only be so tweaky! 4.3 will breathe alot of new life into our phone. I am not upgrading to the N3 lest something makes it more desirable. But seeing that we get the same update it will have, I am willing to wait a month to see what happens.
First and foremost, I absolutely don't want anyone to think I'm complaining about developers or anything like that. I certainly appreciate everyone's hard work when they are putting together roms for any phone.
That being said, I am just curious why there are so few roms for the T-mobile Galaxy S5. I had the S1-S4 for Sprint and all of them had tons and tons of roms. All those roms had lots of theme work and unique items. I am not seeing any of that on the T-mobile side. Is this variant preventing that or is there just not enough love for it?
Just as an example.. check out these rom for the sprint S5....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s5/development/rom-team-nocturnalunofficalcm-11-0-t2883072
There is not too much of a difference between two touchwiz Roms. Its pointless to have same thing packadged with different names. I love the couple of options that are available in T-Mobile.
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In order for the rom to work with wifi calling it has to retain the touchwiz base, and like ceo.mtcl said theres only so much you can change. There is a CM rom available for the device, i gave it a test run on my G900T. It ran great but without wifi calling its almost useless to me
ok so am i missing something in these roms? none of them look any different than a stock rom. All of the icons are the same, the fonts are the same the notification panel is the same, there isn't any theming (sp? lol). Everyone defaults to use some wanam (which didnt work at all for me), but that's pretty limited. I'm sad in my pants right now lol....
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ok so am i missing something in these roms? none of them look any different than a stock rom. All of the icons are the same, the fonts are the same the notification panel is the same, there isn't any theming (sp? lol). Everyone defaults to use some wanam (which didnt work at all for me), but that's pretty limited. I'm sad in my pants right now lol....
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Have you checked the Unified Development section? And yes, since the arrival of Xposed, members can now do a lot to their phones rather than the developer spend 100's of hours themeing all the elements of a ROM and have a post every other day saying "it is too blue". It is comments like that that have pushed developers into saying "why bother". You cannot make everyone happy with how you theme something and members forget that these ROMs are made for the developers, and they decided to share...it is not their jobs and they are not getting paid for those ROMs. But NOW the power is in your hands thanks to Wanam and everyone working on toolboxes to allow you to do more. Not enough? There a several icon changing apps on Play. There is also Themer. Add that to all the awesome flagship phones released almost every 9 months by many manufacturers. A lot of developers have wanted a challenge so tried something new and changed manufacturers. So yeah...you won't see 30 TW ROMs anymore.
Also add Verizon and AT&T with locked bootloaders discouraging developers.
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Have you checked the Unified Development section? And yes, since the arrival of Xposed, members can now do a lot to their phones rather than the developer spend 100's of hours themeing all the elements of a ROM and have a post every other day saying "it is too blue". It is comments like that that have pushed developers into saying "why bother". You cannot make everyone happy with how you theme something and members forget that these ROMs are made for the developers, and they decided to share...it is not their jobs and they are not getting paid for those ROMs. But NOW the power is in your hands thanks to Wanam and everyone working on toolboxes to allow you to do more. Not enough? There a several icon changing apps on Play. There is also Themer. Add that to all the awesome flagship phones released almost every 9 months by many manufacturers. A lot of developers have wanted a challenge so tried something new and changed manufacturers. So yeah...you won't see 30 TW ROMs anymore.
Also add Verizon and AT&T with locked bootloaders discouraging developers.
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my thoughts exactly, well said Kenny!
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While I agree with Kenny on his viewpoint, I see go blues point as well. I, personally, prefer a more pure aosp rom myself. There is a lack of aosp development/releases for our device. I'm still running srock/unrooted, until a solid aosp rom drops, which I believe hasn't happened yet due to kernel development? Icons are themed and running ADW launcher to change icons and themes to keep things clean, but themes are still limited. Don't get me wrong, love the s5, mad respect and thanks to all the devs doing their work, but I see his point. Cheers!
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While I agree with Kenny on his viewpoint, I see go blues point as well. I, personally, prefer a more pure aosp rom myself. There is a lack of aosp development/releases for our device. I'm still running srock/unrooted, until a solid aosp rom drops, which I believe hasn't happened yet due to kernel development? Icons are themed and running ADW launcher to change icons and themes to keep things clean, but themes are still limited. Don't get me wrong, love the s5, mad respect and thanks to all the devs doing their work, but I see his point. Cheers!
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Looks like a lot of the "flavors" of AOSP are covered: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/unified-development
My guess is there would be a lot more if the bigger 2 carriers AT&T and Verizon hadn't made AOSP impossible with their locked bootloaders. That would seem to be the main reason for lower development after the S3s.
Reason also is the S5 is not as popular as thought, many were sold, but to users that could care less about doing custom roms, and the age group is probably the younger crowd. The OS is simply awful.
Correct me if I'm wrong, we can probably flash the ones from unified development no?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, we can probably flash the ones from unified development no?
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yes you can as long as you dont care about tripping knox.
But be warned, Make sure you only flash something that is designed for the s5 and something that has been tested and works on the s5.. You can still brick the phone if you make some stupid mistakes or decisions.
Remember that Flashing the phone is your responsibilty. So if you screw up and brick, dont blame anyone for your mistakes. Reading and searching is your best friend, before you flash anything to your phone.
Yeah to flash anything from there you would have needed a custom recovery this tripping the Knox counter.
Even if there were aosp roms for our specific device, I doubt that would be different. Since aosp roms all have custom kernels that would trip Knox anyway
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Correct me if I'm wrong, we can probably flash the ones from unified development no?
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Look 2 posts above yours. I already linked to that section...the answer is yes.
I live in a area where I need wifi calling, so.. I've never had the option to be free with ROMs, really sucks .. what I want, is a Nexus... or a One Plus phone, but I'm stuck.. what can ya do lol
I know how OP feels, i personally will be getting the Nexus 6 when it releases or the Z3 and retiring the galaxy s5
I appreciate the hard work the few devs we have working on our phone have been doing but this is like the galaxy note 2 community imho, i got the phone with the hopes that the community will be like the galaxy s4
in addition to the unified ROM's i have been able to get a ton of these TW roms to work on my tmobile s5 simply by flashing a t mobile kernal right after the rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/development
eh, custom roms
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in addition to the unified ROM's i have been able to get a ton of these TW roms to work on my tmobile s5 simply by flashing a t mobile kernal right after the rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/development
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I use the Omega rom with TMO modem and it's great. Although iB4STiD's roms are great as well.
Flash Internation ROMs then?
Only thing you'll lose is Wifi Calling.
Hang tight cause its about to pour on the S5 forum...The Sicness is coming...
@The Sickness
Hey guys, legitimate question here. It seems that there is no development being done for this and other of the 2015 flagships. Am I missing something?
Imo phone is solid out of the box. I have a 6p to mess around with.
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What "development" do you expect? With Xposed and a plethora of modules, there really is no need for specialized custom ROMs. All you need is a rock-solid base and off you go. You can even theme everything in the phone with the LG Apps Theme Engine.
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What "development" do you expect? With Xposed and a plethora of modules, there really is no need for specialized custom ROMs. All you need is a rock-solid base and off you go. You can even theme everything in the phone with the LG Apps Theme Engine.
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Cyanogenmod to start. Tbh I hate that response. That isn't helpful. It isn't just the V10. I have a GS6E+ as well. There is nothing on that front. I
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Cyanogenmod to start. Tbh I hate that response. That isn't helpful. It isn't just the V10. I have a GS6E+ as well. There is nothing on that front. I
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Then go ask the Cyanogen devs to support the V10. Complaining here accomplishes exactly nothing.
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Then go ask the Cyanogen devs to support the V10. Complaining here accomplishes exactly nothing.
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"Hey guys, legitimate question here. It seems that there is no development being done for this and other of the 2015 flagships. Am I missing something?"
Where in that is exactly ... "complaining"? I asked a legitimate question. Seems that you are complaining about the question I asked.
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"Hey guys, legitimate question here. It seems that there is no development being done for this and other of the 2015 flagships. Am I missing something?"
Where in that is exactly ... "complaining"? I asked a legitimate question. Seems that you are complaining about the question I asked.
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I used hyperbole. The fact remains that reaching out to devs directly will have far more effect than posting threads here.
It's not like they'll magically swoop in here and say "Oh guys, so sorry we haven't made anything for your phone yet, we'll get right on it!"
If you want to see action, post on Cyanogen's forum, open a github issue, or PM/mention devs who developed for LG phones in the past to see what their opinion is.
I can understand wanting to flash ROMs and such, it can definitely be fun, and it's good to have alternatives. But maybe i'm getting old, but i'm a bit tired of it nowadays: the bootloops, certain things not working, having to start over, the time wasted, missing phone calls from your girlfriend because you bootlooped and are constantly booted in recovery lmao. I think OEMs have come a long way since the early days of Android, so i'm usually good with rooted stock now, or a deodexed version. This phone already runs pretty great out of the box, so maybe try and enjoy it as it was made to be. And for sure with the Tmo model rootable, there's xposed, tweakbox, etc. But i definitely understand, OP, even flagship phones don't necessarily have as many custom ROMs as they used to.
The V10 is an awesome phone... But specialty development (cyanogen mod, AOSP) is going off a bit... First off development doesn't just happen... This is a brand new phone model, and although it uses a lot of the G4's hardware, there are a lot of differences, second screen being the biggest, also, t-mobiles version is currently the only one world wide with root access. Further hurting our chances. As for other flagship models, carriers and manufacturers, have been making it harder to root and modify phones... Which has been scaring development away... (why buy a phone you may never be able to modify?) if you want phones with a ton of options for development, I suggest you stick to either nexus devices, and /or something similar to the S series phones... That gets a ton of development... Plain and simple, T-Mobile is the only carrier on earth that doesn't care what you do to your phone. And from a development standpoint, this phone has only been out a little over 2 months, and currently has one model world wide with root access so unless someone Crack the bootloader on other models, or systemless root access becomes a reality with marshmallow, it's probably going to be a slow go... If you really want CM on your V10, (not sure why when you can strip this down to bare bones) you could build us all a rom... Seeing as you believe it's so easy...
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Thank you @ZDeuce2 and @YrrchSebor for telling it like it is. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Thank you @ZDeuce2 and @YrrchSebor for telling it like it is. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Plus I'd say nowadays in many cases, you lose more than you gain by erasing the software that skilled professionals have developed for your phone. Like you said, those guys good lol. Maybe carriers and/or other corporate/financial concerns might dumb things down or limit features, but root can be plenty enough to open things up for savvy users.
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Plus I'd say nowadays in many cases, you lose more than you gain by erasing the software that skilled professionals have developed for your phone. Like you said, those guys good lol. Maybe carriers and/or other corporate/financial concerns might dumb things down or limit features, but root can be plenty enough to open things up for savvy users.
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I agree. Outside of Nexus devices I found that Cyanogen has never had proper quality control and the maintainers do whatever they want. Random things are constantly broken and are never acknowledged or fixed. You never know whether a new nightly would fix things or just break things more, even if you followed the commit logs. It's certainly more of an enthusiast's endeavor rather than a rock-solid daily driver OS.
Then there is the garbage camera image quality on non-Nexus phones - the proprietary image processing libraries and other stuff from stock ROMs are just unrivaled and Cyanogen has never been able to match stock camera quality.
I found that especially in the last year or so, stock ROMs have really become robust and polished and I simply do not need to flash Cyanogen anymore to "unsuck" my phone. Root and Xposed are enough to clean up and customize the stock ROM the way I like it and make my phone perfect.
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I agree. Outside of Nexus devices I found that Cyanogen has never had proper quality control and the maintainers do whatever they want. Random things are constantly broken and are never acknowledged or fixed. You never know whether a new nightly would fix things or just break things more, even if you followed the commit logs. It's certainly more of an enthusiast's endeavor rather than a rock-solid daily driver OS.
Then there is the garbage camera image quality on non-Nexus phones - the proprietary image processing libraries and other stuff from stock ROMs are just unrivaled and Cyanogen has never been able to match stock camera quality.
I found that especially in the last year or so, stock ROMs have really become robust and polished and I simply do not need to flash Cyanogen anymore to "unsuck" my phone. Root and Xposed are enough to clean up and customize the stock ROM the way I like it and make my phone perfect.
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Yeah, agreed on all counts there..
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Yeah, agreed on all counts there..
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Only thing I would love to see is layers support added, then we would truly have a beast on our hands...
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Only thing I would love to see is layers support added, then we would truly have a beast on our hands...
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It doesn't work yet? There's a thread on it, so I tried it and it did theme some stuff, but maybe it isn't fully working? Plus I could swear that my system update center broke after using the Inverted UI module
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It doesn't work yet? There's a thread on it, so I tried it and it did theme some stuff, but maybe it isn't fully working? Plus I could swear that my system update center broke after using the Inverted UI module
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It needs in rom support, which we don't have yet, to fully work completely. Probably why it seems like it broke stuff...
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If I knew how to build, and had a computer that wasn't a Commodore 64, I'd give it a shot, but as slow as my comps are we'll have well have Android Orange Cremesicle before it finishes building...
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If I knew how to build, and had a computer that wasn't a Commodore 64, I'd give it a shot, but as slow as my comps are we'll have well have Android Orange Cremesicle before it finishes building...
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LOL! Well, if I knew how to code, I could do it, but I don't... so yeah. Unless adding the support is simpler than recoding a bunch of APKs?
While more development is always great, I'm very happy with debloated and deodexed stock-based ROMs for the V10. @siraltus has done good work, and that's really all I need, the ability to root, run Xposed and be free from bloatware. I'm sort of over Cyanogenmod in terms of actually flashing it myself. The importance of CM in the history of Android can't be overstated, but for a device with such specialized hardware as the V10 (secondary display, DAC/Amp, etc.), I don't think CM would ever be as good as a stock-based ROM.
I even prefer a stock theme nowadays.... At least it's consistent throughout the system, and I know I'll be able to read any and all text on my phone lol.
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I even prefer a stock theme nowadays.... At least it's consistent throughout the system, and I know I'll be able to read any and all text on my phone lol.
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Nothing like a random white text on white background screen and you have no idea what it says... LOL.