[Q] Battery - Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi,
I'll buy the S3 next month and I have a question regarding the battery calibration. I have read from other forums that It is preferable to leave your battery drop to 0% once every month. Do you recommend I do the same?
Thanks!

No, you'll damage the battery and can corrupt the partition if the phone shuts down unexpectedly. Unplug the charger as soon as it's charged then try to recharge before it reaches 15%
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No, you'll damage the battery and can corrupt the partition if the phone shuts down unexpectedly. Unplug the charger as soon as it's charged then try to recharge before it reaches 15%
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So the iphone 5s and the s3 have different batteries? Since Apple recommends to let it drop to 0% once per month as the OP stated.

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Unplug the charger as soon as it's charged
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Why should I do that?
As I know lithium-ion (li-ion) batteries are not able to overcharge because they have protection.
Are you sure about everything that you stated above?

Search and read for the hundreds of people left in a boot loop with corrupt partitions after their battery discharged, the S3 is not an Apple product.
Li-ion batteries suffer permanent capacity loss from being left holding a full charge or being fully discharged, avoiding either limit will preserve the battery capacity for longer.

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My S3 can charge to 99% only :(

I don't know why my phone can only charge to 99% of battery, this is my second charge already and the first charge also can charge to 99% only
Anyone have same problem ?
Just leave it on the charger. Once it reaches 99% charging reduces to a trickle only. This is by design and not a fault. If you charge overnight you should find it at 100% in the morning .
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This is renowned in the official samsung roms of the galaxy series. Do not concern yourself, there is nothing wrong with your phone.
so the best thing to do is to leave it like 1 hour on the charger? I find it annoying to .. If it says fully charged and remove the charger it should be 100% and not 99..
Thank you so much. But when my phone charge reach 100% and i leave it continue charge 2 hours more already and it still show 99% right after i unplug charger.
Don't worry about it at all. There is nothing you can do for it to say 100%. No matter how long you leave it on the charger, once the phone says it's at 100% and you disconnect it will drop to 99%. It isn't a fault, it's what samsung does.
If you want to be really nit picky, you could say that within a second of disconnecting the charger, the phone technically has used some of the battery to stay on, no matter how minimal, so 'technically' with some tiny tiny amount of battery used it is no longer at 100%
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Don't worry about it at all. There is nothing you can do for it to say 100%. No matter how long you leave it on the charger, once the phone says it's at 100% and you disconnect it will drop to 99%. It isn't a fault, it's what samsung does.
If you want to be really nit picky, you could say that within a second of disconnecting the charger, the phone technically has used some of the battery to stay on, no matter how minimal, so 'technically' with some tiny tiny amount of battery used it is no longer at 100%
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Thank you, acttually i came from ONE X, my ONE X take 1 hour to drop from 100% to 99%.
So there are no need to worry about it now. And my S3 battery was great. It can last from morning to night with heavy usage.
Wipe battery status in CWM
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Don't worry about it at all. There is nothing you can do for it to say 100%. No matter how long you leave it on the charger, once the phone says it's at 100% and you disconnect it will drop to 99%. It isn't a fault, it's what samsung does.
If you want to be really nit picky, you could say that within a second of disconnecting the charger, the phone technically has used some of the battery to stay on, no matter how minimal, so 'technically' with some tiny tiny amount of battery used it is no longer at 100%
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Leave your phone on charge, go to CWM wipe the battery then reboot. It should go back to 100% shortly. That's what I did and it worked!
Reason why it really doesn't charge 100% is to protect battery as li-ion batteries should never let completely empty or full as the battery can die.
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Mine charged to 100% and never have this problem with my S2
This is frustrating isnt it!
Also has anyone else found that it takes longer to charge than other phones? I.e. my S2?
Im presuming this is due to the bigger capacity battery
battery can only ever be 99.999999999999999999999999999% after you unplug the charger!!!!
not another one....
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Mine charges to 100%, dry wiping battery stats. Though to be honest. It drops to 99% the instant I unplug it.
To avoid my OCD, I just disabled the percentage/1% mods. LOL, it makes me too obsessive.
Mine charges to 100% but drops to 99% within 10 minutes. Need to disable percentage display as well asap lol
I have read much about it. It is probably intentional. to save battery or something like that. Do not be so angry about it 99% it the new 100% haha
@Firstworldproblems
Read up on lithium ion batteries..
Marquesbrownlee on YouTube explains it. 'Top 3 Battery Myths'
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Battery only charges to about 95% when it is reading 100% anyway. This is for the health of the battery, can't remember the technical details though.
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Battery only charges to about 95% when it is reading 100% anyway. This is for the health of the battery, can't remember the technical details though.
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This.
Its a feature to preserve the longevity of the battery.
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[Q] Charging the battery all the way to 100% is bad?

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Perform shallow discharges.
Instead of discharging to 0% all the time, lithium-ion batteries do best when you discharge them for a little bit, then charge them for a little bit. The table below, from Battery University, shows that discharges to 50% are better for your battery's long-term life than, say, small discharges to 90% or large discharges to 0% (since the 50% discharges provide the best number of cycles-to-usage ratio).
Don't leave it fully charged.
Similarly, lithium-ion batteries don't need to be charged all the way to 100%. In fact, they'd prefer not to be—so the 40%-80% rule you heard is a good guideline. If you do charge it to 100%, don't leave it plugged in. This is something most of us do, but it's another thing that will degrade your battery's health.
Fully discharge it once a month.
This may seem contradictory, but hear us out. While lithium-ion batteries shouldn't be discharged regularly, most modern batteries are what's known as "smart batteries". This feature can get miscalibrated after a lot of shallow discharges. So, manufacturers recommend fully discharging your battery once a month to make sure this stays accurate.
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Is this true?
you can be as neurotic as you like over this, but it really d doesn't make a lot of difference, just enjoy your phone.
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The only big no no is to constantly discharge to below 5% and recharge . That according to the experts leads to a much shorter battery life .
Yes leaving on charge is a waste .
Wiping Battery stats does not improve battery life .
But all this is an old story posted time and again and bring nothing new .
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JJEgan said:
Yes leaving on charge is a waste
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It may be a waste but is it detrimental to the battery? I always plug my phone in when I go to bed and take it off the charger when I get up in the morning.
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It may be a waste but is it detrimental to the battery? I always plug my phone in when I go to bed and take it off the charger when I get up in the morning.
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there is a built in feature that stops charging once battery level reaches 100%. so there will be no harm to your battery. I have doing the same since gs1
My old Nokia 3510 needed a battery replacement after 4-5 years since it only held 3 days worth of charge instead of the usual 7-8.
I constantly let it discharge from 100% (overnight charging) to empty, the replacement battery cost me 5 bucks.
My Galaxy S1's battery has, after 2 years, no observable loss in capacity with overnight charging to 100% and dropping to 10-15% over 1-2 days.
A replacement battery would cost roughly 15 bucks.
I could go on the same about my Laptop, Netbook, Tablet and other devices with rechargeable Li-Ion batteries.
The point is; don't try to forcefully extend your battery life, enjoy your phone. Most people replace the phone every 1-2 years and the batteries are designed to live that long with high usage and deep-discharging. If yours should not or you plan to keep the phone longer, a replacement battery is cheap.
there is a built in feature that stops charging once battery level reaches 100%.
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All Lithium batteries have it (and need it) since there is a risk of damage, fire or even explosion when it is overcharged. That's why not the phone but the battery itself has the corresponding controller. Since the controller cannot measure the exact capacity of the battery (only an estimate), it is recomended to deep-discharge and fully charge (charge-cycle) the battery once in a while to reset the controller's counter.
Battery replacement is cheap and easy as abc. That's the benefit of having removable battery. Just enjoy your phone.
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So why do Sammy stop charging at 99%
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So why do Sammy stop charging at 99%
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Why don't you just read the thread and you will see the explanation?!
i have always been charging my samsung galaxy note and sIII overnight ever since i got them , i stil have great battery life !
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i have always been charging my samsung galaxy note and sIII overnight ever since i got them , i stil have great battery life !
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Same here. No broblem.
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Still no one answered my question... :silly:
Is the small 40%-80% charges better for the long-term battery life?

[Q] S3 Charging

What's the best way to charge the phone? Like do I charge the S3 to Fully Charged and then disconnect and then use it till it dies or charge it when it drops to a certain percentage?
The S3 uses lithium ion batteries. Try not to ever fully discharge the battery, it degrades the battery considerably. I would fully charge it whenever I get a chance (or up to 90%) then recharge it within the 20-10% range.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery.htm
master5hake said:
The S3 uses lithium ion batteries. Try not to ever fully discharge the battery, it degrades the battery considerably. I would fully charge it whenever I get a chance (or up to 90%) then recharge it within the 20-10% range.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery.htm
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So don't ever let the battery drop under 10-20% or let it die, always charge it when I get the time to?
Can someone help me please
Doesn't really matter, you won't prolong the life of it notably in any case. And the small gains are definitely not worth the trouble.
Just use it like you want and replace it in 2 years time. It will have degraded by that time, however you use it (even if you don't use it actually)
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WarCow said:
Doesn't really matter, you won't prolong the life of it notably in any case. And the small gains are definitely not worth the trouble.
Just use it like you want and replace it in 2 years time. It will have degraded by that time, however you use it (even if you don't use it actually)
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I have heard that don't let Lithium battery drop at 10-20%, and charge it frequently if I get a chance to keep the battery healthy
Lither said:
I have heard that don't let Lithium battery drop at 10-20%, and charge it frequently if I get a chance to keep the battery healthy
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Can someone help me
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Can someone help me
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You can use it to 4% actually before it's a huge concern. I charge mine around 10% or lower and haven't noticed any decrease in battery performance. Just don't kill it.
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You can use it to 4% actually before it's a huge concern. I charge mine around 10% or lower and haven't noticed any decrease in battery performance. Just don't kill it.
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Will it damage the battery if the percentage for example is at 70-80% and I charge it for about 45 mins, it won't hurt it if I disconnect the charger but the S3 not fully charged?
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Will it damage the battery if the percentage for example is at 70-80% and I charge it for about 45 mins, it won't hurt it if I disconnect the charger but the S3 not fully charged?
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No. It won't damage anything. Just know the more cycles, the more wear. Continual bump charging may shorten lifespan. Not what I consider damage.
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Just don't let your battery fully discharge or get too low. Always recharge it as often as you can, especially in the range of 10-20. Also, don't leave it plugged in for to long when it is fully charged. Follow these three steps and you should be good.

Need advice on charging my S3

Hi,
I've read various guides on the net on the best way to charge an S3 (or any modern smartphone).
Some say charge when the battery is at 40% and take it off when it reaches 80%.
Some say to fully discharge it, then charge to 100%.
Can anyone give me advice on the best way to charge my phone (so the battery lasts longer).
Thanks.
skatlyup said:
Hi,
I've read various guides on the net on the best way to charge an S3 (or any modern smartphone).
Some say charge when the battery is at 40% and take it off when it reaches 80%.
Some say to fully discharge it, then charge to 100%.
Can anyone give me advice on the best way to charge my phone (so the battery lasts longer).
Thanks.
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Charge your phone when the phone says connect to charger and remove it when it says Fully charged.. this is the best way to charge your phone...
The battery is only supposed to last 50 charge cycles, before capacity is noticeably reduced. As above, don't leave it fully charged and don't let it go below 15%.
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It wont matter if you leave your phone on the charger when it says fully charged since they have a cut off point so when it reaches 100% it will not continue to put power into the battery. That's why I charge mine overnight because when I wake up the charger is cold so I know it hasn't been charging all night
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Point to note on the above reply .
We on XDA first found that users left phone on charge overnight where reporting a dead unit . After a number of these posts it was recognized as what became SDS or sudden death syndrome .
Leaving on charge overnight is not the actual cause of SDS but something i don't risk any more fixes or not .
SDS seems to manifest in 2 distinct ways.
1) Complete eMMC failure. This usually happens over night whilst on charge* - The LED may be lit but the phone will not wake. Subsequent removal of the battery will turn off the LED. You will never get the LED back on. The phone will never turn on again. It needs to go to a service centre and have the motherboard replaced
* Being on Charge is NOT the cause. This is a writing to memory issue and it is more likely to happen when teh device is awake rather than in deep sleep. When the S3 is on charge, it holds a wake lock (so remains awake) throughout the entire charging period, meaning SDS is more likely to occur when on charge This does not mean you should avoid charging your phone. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2091045
boomboomer said:
The battery is only supposed to last 50 charge cycles, before capacity is noticeably reduced. As above, don't leave it fully charged and don't let it go below 15%.
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ya its a good thing to note, never to leave it charging even if the phone says charged, remove it as soon as phone says charged!!
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I'm going to start charging mine while I'm at work. I normally charge it overnight but it seems from what I've read here that it's counterproductive.

What is the best way to keep battery conditioned

Thanks for everybody's input. I think I've got our down now Lol. But I'd like to keep the discussion open for anyone that would like to be better informed.
New topic: Tips & Tricks for getting the most out of your battery.
Thanks guys!
Don't run it dead regularly (that was for ni batteries), don't charge it all the time (ie topping off everytime you're near a charger). If going to store powered down for long periods do so at like %60 capacity.
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twiggums said:
Don't run it dead regularly (that was for ni batteries), don't charge it all the time (ie topping off everytime you're near a charger). If going to store powered down for long periods do so at like %60 capacity.
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Just to clarify, you saying to not charge when battery it has more than 60% charge remaining? If yes. Then how low do you recommend as to minimum charge left on battery when you plug it in?
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Pure+ said:
It's been a while since I have actually cared about a phone enough to really want to take care of every part of it, including the battery, and I was wondering what the best way to keep it fresh is?
Use until it dies and fully charge every time.
Use until low power warning and recharge.
idk what other methods there are....
Anyway, appreciate any and all tips guys:good:
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Best way is to not worry about it. Only thing you want to avoid is letting it die in standby over and over.
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Just to clarify, you saying to not charge when battery it has more than 60% charge remaining? If yes. Then how low do you recommend as to minimum charge left on battery when you plug it in?
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Sorry I was so brief was at work on lunch.
In the ideal world you'd probably charge around %20-%30. Lithium batteries do not like being over drained or overcharged. Overcharging isn't really an issue since our phone handles charging. Over draining repeatedly will drain max capacity, same with overcharging. The %60 i refer to is a rough number if you were going to be storing the phone powered off for weeks or months, lithium batteries should not be stored at max voltage or drained.
You don't want to be constantly "topping" your battery off either. The life of a lithium battery is generally going to be measured in charge cycles. So charging it every time you're sitting at a charger will really just wear it out faster.
I generally just charge my phone every night when i go to bed. With as long as these phones last on a charge; I've yet to burn through my entire battery in less than a day more than a time or two. Don't put too much thought into it or worry too terribly much. Running it down once or twice isn't going to do much that you'd immediately notice, but doing it every time is certainly not a good idea!
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Sorry I was so brief was at work on lunch.
In the ideal world you'd probably charge around %20-%30. Lithium batteries do not like being over drained or overcharged. Overcharging isn't really an issue since our phone handles charging. Over draining repeatedly will drain max capacity, same with overcharging. The %60 i refer to is a rough number if you were going to be storing the phone powered off for weeks or months, lithium batteries should not be stored at max voltage or drained.
You don't want to be constantly "topping" your battery off either. The life of a lithium battery is generally going to be measured in charge cycles. So charging it every time you're sitting at a charger will really just wear it out faster.
I generally just charge my phone every night when i go to bed. With as long as these phones last on a charge; I've yet to burn through my entire battery in less than a day more than a time or two. Don't put too much thought into it or worry too terribly much. Running it down once or twice isn't going to do much that you'd immediately notice, but doing it every time is certainly not a good idea!
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Okay. Thanks for all the info. It really helps to know that stuff. I'm not to worried about burning through charge cycles. I'm getting 2-3 days of a charge. 4 if I drain it. Battery on this is the best I have even seen. Truly incredible. I don't know how they managed it. But I am absolutely loving it.
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The only thing you need to worry about is not letting your battery reach below 14%. Unless your out or not near a charger it's understandable.
Charge your phone once it hits 14%. Let it fully charge don't interrupt it (unless you have too)
Sometimes don't charge your device to 100% I sometimes charge mines to 90%.
Let the battery die once or twice a month.
Just don't worry about the battery. By time you hit anywhere near 500 charge cycles you'll be on the m9 or a new device.
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The only thing you need to worry about is not letting your battery reach below 14%. Unless your out or not near a charger it's understandable.
Charge your phone once it hits 14%. Let it fully charge don't interrupt it (unless you have too)
Sometimes don't charge your device to 100% I sometimes charge mines to 90%.
Let the battery die once or twice a month.
Just don't worry about the battery. By time you hit anywhere near 500 charge cycles you'll be on the m9 or a new device.
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Why would you only charge to %90? And why would you let it die once a month?
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Why would you only charge to %90? And why would you let it die once a month?
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Because you wanna train your battery and get the most out of it. A lot of people say those are old rules because these batteries don't have memory cells. But you'll find yourself not needing to replace the battery as fast as you would by just letting it die all the time
I have replaced a cell phone battery yet and I've been using that method since flip phones days
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Because you wanna train your battery and get the most out of it. A lot of people say those are old rules because these batteries don't have memory cells. But you'll find yourself not needing to replace the battery as fast as you would by just letting it die all the time
I have replaced a cell phone battery yet and I've been using that method since flip phones days
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Hhrrmmm. i think you're thinking of nickel based batteries (nicd, nimh, etc). Generally lithium cells really dont like low voltages or have memory.
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Hhrrmmm. i think you're thinking of nickel based batteries (nicd, nimh, etc). Generally lithium cells really dont like low voltages or have memory.
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I think he's correct on the letting it die once every month or so. I did a lot of research on this a while back and ideally you don't let your phone drop below 50% regularly and don't let it sit on the charger all night since its going to be at 100% for many hours before you wake up a li ion batteries prefer to not be at 100%. The discharging it fully will calibrate it and make sure all the cells are being used since if certain cells don't get discharged every so often they start to lose ability to hold a charge. Keep in mind I looked all this up 2 years ago and most of the issues only affect people who keep phones for 2+ years unless the do 100%-0% every day then their battery won't last long.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
These phones all have battery protection circuitry built into them.
As the battery approaches 100% charge the charge current reduces to almost nothing to prevent overcharging.
Having said this I would not leave the phone on charge for weeks on end but there is really no reason to worry about taking it off charge the moment it shows 100%.
Likewise for discharge. When the phone indicates that the battery is getting flat it will make sure that even if you run the phone till it dies, the battery will not have been allowed to overdischarge. When your phone switches off software is telling the phone to power down to protect the battery.
Also, to touch upon Lithium battery charge cycles, one charge cycle is the 100% charging of the battery, now keep in mind this can be from 0-100% OR it can also be the sum of multiple chargings up to 100% capacity of the battery
I.e.- charging from 75% to 100% once is not considered a charge cycle to the battery, but do it three more times from 75% (25%x4=100%"rated" capacity) and it considers THAT one charge cycle. So if you charge from 50% regularly, two times charging from 50 to 100% is ONE charging cycle.
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Just to clarify, you saying to not charge when battery it has more than 60% charge remaining? If yes. Then how low do you recommend as to minimum charge left on battery when you plug it in?
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Few months back I was speaking with HTC support, the rep said don't put your phone on charge for more then 1 hour with any lithium batteries.
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Few months back I was speaking with HTC support, the rep said don't put your phone on charge for more then 1 hour with any lithium batteries.
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Huh? You saying to only charge it in one hour increments?
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i think the battry in the HTC M8 is really good. it will last for a whole day with no issue. I have beeing testing it and actually I am happy with the resulet
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Allen` said:
Few months back I was speaking with HTC support, the rep said don't put your phone on charge for more then 1 hour with any lithium batteries.
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As usual, speaking with reps can be cause for alarm. In this case, it's obvious he/she was blowing smoke. Read the links posted in the thread.
Updated OP. This is now more of a help thread for those who need it. Thanks for all the info and tips.
Let's keep it going guys!
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