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Are there any Thunderbolt ROMs with Sense stripped out? I'm considering a move to Verizon but I'm spoiled by CM7 in my Inspire. CM7 weighs in at 80mb where the stock Sense ROM is 275mb which insane bloat. If there's a ROM without Sense I'd love to go that route.
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yes d00d......
This should have been in general
But to answer your question Tesla Coil is as close as you are going to get to a non Sense ROM at this point.
They r all sense based now. There are roms without rosie and a bunch of sense apps, but they still need sense kernels etc..
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I know you can't completely remove Sense because these a-holes have buried it pretty deeply. But there are some Sense-based ROMs for the Inspire with most of Sense stripped out. I'd be happy with something like that. Sense is a public nuisance.
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If you want a truly aosp experience you will have to wait for cm7. This is an htc branded phone so obviously they will ship it with sense. That's how they differentiate themselves. Surprised that would cause you to label them a-holes. Also please bear in mind that aosp kernels need to appear as well.
Finally, I'm surprised at how some people hate sense. Personally, I love the widgets, look and feel of sense a lot more. I find aosp roms too bare bones and homely and bereft of nice widgets etc. Sense 2.0 with phone finder, remote phone lock are really worth trying.
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khanam said:
This is an htc branded phone so obviously they will ship it with sense. That's how they differentiate themselves. Surprised that would cause you to label them a-holes. Also please bear in mind that aosp kernels need to appear as well.
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Yea, totally agree. If you dont like sense...DONT get an HTC!
The reason we cant get aosp is because the ril is screwed up. When that gets fixed we'll be able to get aosp roms
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CM will come to the thunderbolt in due time. Trust me I can't wait. And to who said "if you don't like sense don't get a HTC!" Shut up lol, some people like HTC devices and not sense....which includes my self and numerous others.
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khanam said:
If you want a truly aosp experience you will have to wait for cm7. This is an htc branded phone so obviously they will ship it with sense. That's how they differentiate themselves. Surprised that would cause you to label them a-holes. Also please bear in mind that aosp kernels need to appear as well.
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I call them a-holes because they force us to use an ugly skin that we don't like. All of these manufacturers should have a bare-bones ROM available to people who DON'T WANT their custom skin. Ship the phone with your skin but make it an option. The fact that they have added 200mb of crap is ludicrous. I get this figure from an AOSP ROM weighing in at 80MB while the stock ROM is ~275.
luniz7 said:
CM will come to the thunderbolt in due time. Trust me I can't wait. And to who said "if you don't like sense don't get a HTC!" Shut up lol, some people like HTC devices and not sense....which includes my self and numerous others.
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MANY others.
suzook said:
Yea, totally agree. If you dont like sense...DONT get an HTC!
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I disagree. We should not be forced to use a vendor's skin in order to enjoy Android. With only the Nexus phones being free from all this crap we're limited. These vendors really need to listen to the customers.
The g1 and g2 are without sense as well
Most people enjoy sense. Atleast those who know nothing of android
I prefer sense to aosp but that's my opinion, to each his own
And to say don't buy a HTC phone because u don't like sense is stupid, I buy HTC phones for the build quality and great over all.phones
My last 5 phones were HTC phones and I plan to keep this trend going
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I hear some one have an Amaze 4G running ICS 4.0.4, but when update from OTA, I got 4.0.3 (TMobile).
Any one know what OTA (or leaked) can I use for 4.0.4?
Another question: Can I flash an OTA from Telus or Wind on my TMobile?
Thank.
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I hear some one have an Amaze 4G running ICS 4.0.4, but when update from OTA, I got 4.0.3 (TMobile).
Any one know what OTA (or leaked) can I use for 4.0.4?
Another question: Can I flash an OTA from Telus or Wind on my TMobile?
Thank.
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If you want to flash RUU from another carrier, you'll need to have s-off and super cid.
A quick search will lead you to those answers
kered424 said:
If you want to flash RUU from another carrier, you'll need to have s-off and super cid.
A quick search will lead you to those answers
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Ya! Thank you.
And what RUU with stock 4.0.4? Does it exist?
No carrier got 4.0.4, they all got 4.0.3, you're sol until the guys get their 4.0.4 custom rom fully working.
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No carrier got 4.0.4, they all got 4.0.3, you're sol until the guys get their 4.0.4 custom rom fully working.
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Ya! Thank you. Cause I hear some person on another forum talking that they got ICS 4.0.4 Stock installed on brandnew Amaze 4G when they buys it. But when I ask them, I got no response, then I post my question here. May be they are liars :silly:
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Ya! Thank you.
And what RUU with stock 4.0.4? Does it exist?
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"404 error - the RUU you requested was not found"
Hehe. I love puns
And no I don't believe it exists yet.
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Lol =]]
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But its ok if we don't have 4.0.4 because in September/October we get 4.1
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Lol =))
JB from TMOUS or from our dev?
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Lol =))
JB from TMOUS or from our dev?
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Apparently HTC is updating the amaze to 4.1, would be great if they do, you guys would love the smoothness of JB, hopefully they give you sense 4.0 as well.
I was thinking the might if anything knowing them they would give us a bs sense 3.7-3.9 but just not sense 4
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I was thinking the might if anything knowing them they would give us a bs sense 3.7-3.9 but just not sense 4
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I'd hate that, knowing this phone could do with the lighter version of sense, but then again, JB is pretty smooth and completely lag free, so even if you guys are stuck on sense 3.6, once you get the update at all, you'll be in heaven, trust me.
Yea I think so I'm just curious to see how they approach the update
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Yea I think so I'm just curious to see how they approach the update
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It shouldn't be that difficult noting JB wasn't a major overhaul the way ICS was, so working with it should be simple, once they don't push too much bloat into it and slow down the system, which with the work google put in, shouldn't be affected at all.
It cant be sense 4 because sense 4 is ICS, in theory since sense 4 is ics they cant make sense 3.x jellybean because the order would be broken of versions....they might give a sense 4.1 and give one s users sense 4.5 of something along those lines
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seems about rite lol either way cant wait
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It cant be sense 4 because sense 4 is ICS, in theory since sense 4 is ics they cant make sense 3.x jellybean because the order would be broken of versions....they might give a sense 4.1 and give one s users sense 4.5 of something along those lines
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lol wut?
Anyways, several things.
1. Why the need for 4.0.4? I've looked at the change log, doesn't seem like all that much that I'd really care about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_4.0.x_Ice_Cream_Sandwich
Don't we have custom camera software anyways?
Damn, gotta have that smoother screen rotation....
2. Why the need for Sense 4? I've used a phone with Sense 4, and to be honest, Sense 3.6 and 4 are very similar, just 4 has a few quirks (recent apps screen, widgets in the app drawer, couple extra cloud services, what else?).
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45134/htc-sense-3-6-vs-sense-4
Version number envy?
3. I doubt HTC would bump the sense version if we get JB.
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lol wut?
Anyways, several things.
1. Why the need for 4.0.4? I've looked at the change log, doesn't seem like all that much that I'd really care about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_4.0.x_Ice_Cream_Sandwich
Don't we have custom camera software anyways?
Damn, gotta have that smoother screen rotation....
2. Why the need for Sense 4? I've used a phone with Sense 4, and to be honest, Sense 3.6 and 4 are very similar, just 4 has a few quirks (recent apps screen, widgets in the app drawer, couple extra cloud services, what else?).
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45134/htc-sense-3-6-vs-sense-4
Version number envy?
3. I doubt HTC would bump the sense version if we get JB.
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Yes but apparently sense versions below 4 are huge hogs, even HTC admited it was, so they made sense 4 much more lighter. And, if HTC gave us older devices ics with an slightly updated sense 3.6 instead of 4, then they might give us sense 4 while probably a new gen HTC's with a newer version of sense releases, makes SENSE to me ahhahahaha pun intended
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Yes but apparently sense versions below 4 are huge hogs, even HTC admited it was, so they made sense 4 much more lighter. And, if HTC gave us older devices ics with an slightly updated sense 3.6 instead of 4, then they might give us sense 4 while probably a new gen HTC's with a newer version of sense releases, makes SENSE to me ahhahahaha pun intended
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Not gonna happen. Multiple times they've stated legacy devices that shipped pre-ICS will not get Sense 4. They want to maintain the same look & feel as when the phone shipped, so as not to upset most people. Granted, basically anyone on xda would probably rather have AOSP from the manufacturer, but the general public won't. Eg. my girlfriend has the Evo 3D and says she won't update to ICS when Sprint releases it next month because they got rid of the arc tray at the bottom on the home screen. She had a friend who has the Evo V 4G, saw what ICS would look like on her phone, and has completely ruled it out.
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Apparently HTC is updating the amaze to 4.1, would be great if they do, you guys would love the smoothness of JB, hopefully they give you sense 4.0 as well.
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Do you think HTC will release JB for Amaze soon? Cause they have new flagship device like OneX, and I think they will port JB for these flagship with higher priority. Our Amaze is "old" for them. lol.
Are we going to get sense 5? The incredible has a krait, after all, and all other S4 phones seem to be getting it.
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Are we going to get sense 5? The incredible has a krait, after all, and all other S4 phones seem to be getting it.
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We havent got a sense 4+ yet when HTC is supposed to deliver us that... Sense 5 I think could be a possibility, but I don't think so.... Unless a dev builds it from scratch
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We havent got a sense 4+ yet when HTC is supposed to deliver us that... Sense 5 I think could be a possibility, but I don't think so.... Unless a dev builds it from scratch
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a similar phone to the inc4g would really need to get sense5 to port it (and of course we need jellybean of our own first)
and since sense5 no longer uses m10 files (which is what is typically resized on roms now to fit different resolutions) not sure on the sizing issues
and theres no "building from scratch" its taking an existing rom and hacking it up to work on this device
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a similar phone to the inc4g would really need to get sense5 to port it (and of course we need jellybean of our own first)
and since sense5 no longer uses m10 files (which is what is typically resized on roms now to fit different resolutions) not sure on the sizing issues
and theres no "building from scratch" its taking an existing rom and hacking it up to work on this device
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If one s gets it we could
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jose51197 said:
If one s gets it we could
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that would fall under similar phone
whether or not i bother with it will probably depend how large the inc4g community is at that point (guessing i wont be the one attempting it though)
nitsuj17 said:
that would fall under similar phone
whether or not i bother with it will probably depend how large the inc4g community is at that point (guessing i wont be the one attempting it though)
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Well ill try when we get jelly bean and its kernel sources, if you viper team want to use it as base you can do if that release happens of course
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24ky said:
We havent got a sense 4+ yet when HTC is supposed to deliver us that... Sense 5 I think could be a possibility, but I don't think so.... Unless a dev builds it from scratch
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Why do you keep saying this? Go to Settings > About and look at the version under Sense.
EDIT: OK, HTC has incredibly stupid version names.
mdmower said:
Why do you keep saying this? Go to Settings > About and look at the version under Sense.
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No, he's right. Sense 4+ is the actual version name above 4.1. We've only gotten 4.1 so far. NBD anyway, Cyanogenmod is much better than any Sense ROM.
I believe the misunderstanding is that Sense 4+ is a different version other than what we have but Sense 4.x is actually what we have. If I'm wrong please correct me.
It's not a glitch this isn't Wreck it Ralph
mdmower said:
Why do you keep saying this? Go to Settings > About and look at the version under Sense.
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mdmower sense goes from 2.1 to 5.0, respestive order is
2.1 2.5(2.1 on gingerbread) 3.0 3.5(GB) 4.0 4.1(ICS) 4+(jelly bean) 5.0(only HTC one for now) and I still think 4+ will eventually be rolled out but sense 5 will be a hard port since resizing is gonna be harder
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Sense 5 will go to the one s!!!!!!! Meaning a easy port
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jose51197 said:
Sense 5 will go to the one s!!!!!!! Meaning a easy port
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Well easyish assuming we have jellybean by then
And would have to be hacked up for LTE (not a huge deal but still a hurdle)
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Are we going to get sense 5? The incredible has a krait, after all, and all other S4 phones seem to be getting it.
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Unfortunately, being on Verizon, we are S.O.L. I doubt we'll see 4+ or Sense 5. I doubt we will even see JellyBean before most of us are eligible for upgrades. So for those like me who aren't in to flashing customer ROMS, we probably will not see it.
well, sure it might take some time before a possible JB update from verizon arrives for us. but personally I'd be fine if that's just 4.1.2 (latest 4.1.x JB that brings us "project butter" ) ...and comes with Sense4+. Sense4.1 already slimmed down the visual effects quite a bit and from my piont of view, Sense5 is slimmed down too much, over-simplified and removes that neat lock-ring that HTC Sense is so much well known for *haha* ... i'd really hate to loose it!
I'm currently on CM10.1 and love it, but what are the absolute best ROMs for this phone?
Pachonk said:
I'm currently on CM10.1 and love it, but what are the absolute best ROMs for this phone?
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You would need to define your criteria for "best" first.
For me, "best" ROMs are ROMs that give me better speed, more features, and similar stability to stock. I also keep my devices for a pretty long time. So as they age I look to the community for support in keeping up to date. Hell, I still have a Tegra 2 tablet (Gtab) and my old Hero C laying around.
In this respect, I have had very good luck with ViperROM on the LTE. YMMV
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You would need to define your criteria for "best" first.
For me, "best" ROMs are ROMs that give me better speed, more features, and similar stability to stock. I also keep my devices for a pretty long time. So as they age I look to the community for support in keeping up to date. Hell, I still have a Tegra 2 tablet (Gtab) and my old Hero C laying around.
In this respect, I have had very good luck with ViperROM on the LTE. YMMV
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I know this is off topic but I have the Gtab too but sadly this happend... The touch screen doesn't work anymore but I still have it for the memory
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If u like stock look but souped up! Go with Meanbean.. If u want to custimize then go with viper4g..
What is considered the best Rom?
Ask the fanboys...
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I like Viper4G but JB Tranquility and Operations Jelly Bean are good, as well.
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I'm currently on CM10.1 and love it, but what are the absolute best ROMs for this phone?
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I used to love aosp but I use viper now lol
Granted it's desensed and I use nova launcher
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jesuscash said:
I used to love aosp but I use viper now lol
Granted it's desensed and I use nova launcher
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Can I use a cm10.1 like contact app? One that isn't htc sense contact?
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Can I use a cm10.1 like contact app? One that isn't htc sense contact?
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I believe the apk has to be modded to work with sense. I tried restoring some aosp system apps on a sense rom and just got FCs. Clean ROM used to have a bunch of modded apks but I think it's been abandoned...haven't seen any out there for 4.1.2 yet.
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I believe the apk has to be modded to work with sense. I tried restoring some aosp system apps on a sense rom and just got FCs. Clean ROM used to have a bunch of modded apks but I think it's been abandoned...haven't seen any out there for 4.1.2 yet.
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What makes them force close on different frameworks?
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Its more like what Rom is best for u.
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This is always going to be a question that never has the perfect answer. It depends on what you want/need. Go sense if you want the classic evo look and just want the basic experience its for people who don't care as much about making the device faster and better, they just want it to work and the only real reason they rooted it was to get rid of the bloatware. Keep it simple stupid. Honestly sense is fast, but aosp is is much more reliable and stable. Sense kernels have that small chance of corrupting your file system if and when your device crashes. It's a small chance but a chance none the less.
AOSP is by far the best for the ones who do want to unlock the devices full potential. AOSP (Android open source project) roms are more difficult to create and perfect but they give these devices more potential but its also up to the user to do his or her research. Don't flash or tweak even the slightest thing until you do your research and search xda and google. When you find a guide that of course isn't too old and you know you can trust it, read it over and over and bookmark it. Always search xda but never listen to the opinions of others until you test it yourself.
These rom creators work hard and they expect us to know what we are doing.
tl;dr - I will just say this, if your willing to spend more time to give you the best experience go AOSP. And if you go AOSP go CyanogenMod and nothing else. And for the kernel if you do wish to use a custom kernel I hightly recommend Komodo if you want an even better user experience.
Best rom is...
... the one that works best for you
FWIW. I love the ViperRom. Phone feels like it just "works" and, if I want, there are lots of customizations available.
That said, I just switched to HatkaLTE because I wanted to stay with a sense rom and it seems to me that the last update of ViperRom reintroduced the original rom's sensor problems on my phone. [I say seems because it's still not perfect, just better, on the HatkaLTE and maybe the hardware has developed a defect]. I can't say much about this rom yet because I haven't had it on my phone long enough and because I'm also playing around with different launchers at the same time.
Good luck!
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I like Viper4G but JB Tranquility and Operations Jelly Bean are good, as well.
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are these roms updated on 3.16?
Keyz450 said:
are these roms updated on 3.16?
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ViperROM is. Operation Jelly Bean and Tranquility ROM are not.
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What makes them force close on different frameworks?
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Square peg, meet round hole.
I say decks cm10.1 or the sense5 port.
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IDK, but I'm really excited to install the new VIPERROM
Very, very excited. Hopefully it (re)fixes the proximity sensor problem, but if not, I have the init file all ready to solve the problem myself!
I have to agree with many of the posts, it's more of a personal taste question. I've run almost every ROM at some point, and I love the speed of AOSP, but like the features of Sense. There are a few key features that you lose on AOSP. After a whole lot of flashing, I've settled on SuperJelly Bareback, it strips out all the bloat of Sense while retaining those key features, and is almost spot on with the speed of AOSP. It's my happy medium. Good luck and happy flashing.
If you dont need Bluetooth, Sense 5. Otherwise Viper or Super LTE.
So since we have s-off and we'll be able to use the ruu or just flash a zip (hopefully) who here will be dumping sense and going with aosp? I will probably jump back and forth. What about you guys?
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Nah, I like and prefer the look of sense and the older weather flip clock. It'd be nice to get the updates straight from Google tho. I'm hopeful in the near future the UI from sense and others will just be a skin that we can apply to an official Google device.
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Depends on how much the camera is crippled in AOSP, but I'm certainly going to try it out.
<3 AOSP but the camera software will bet the deal breaker if any.
They said that it will produce comparable images to the Sense version, but obviously stuff like Zoes won't make it over to the AOSP camera. Really interested in trying it out, particularly when it comes to the current AOSP based ROMs and how it will improve them.
I like that it'll have beats all the time.
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I just wish the firmware would leak. None of my friends who work at google have access to the android stuff.
The camera issues is what's keeping me from AOSP as it is, I'm ok with losing Zoe but if it can get close to Sense's camera quality, I'll bite.
I've never used zoe.
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The camera issues is what's keeping me from AOSP as it is, I'm ok with losing Zoe but if it can get close to Sense's camera quality, I'll bite.
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They already said that the GE One will fully utilize the ultra pixel sensors. So no worries there.
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They already said that the GE One will fully utilize the ultra pixel sensors. So no worries there.
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That's good to know then,
I really like the look of sense so idk
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Yeah it's one of the biggest reasons I bought a One :good:
I picked the One over the S4 mainly because I find sense a lot more tolerable compared to TouchWiz though (especially with nova launcher and google keyboard) - until the GE is out.
Already dumped Sense, running CM.
Is there already any announcements if Google will make the rom available to everyone who wants to install it? Can't wait to get sense out of my phone.
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I really like the look of sense so idk
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I certainly agree with that. I switched from an inspire and miss sense quite a bit. I plan to come back when it's possible.
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My concern is with the IR blaster. Will I be able to use it even with a third party app?
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My concern is with the IR blaster. Will I be able to use it even with a third party app?
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There are already 3rd party apps that can use the IR port. There's one in the International HTC One app forum:
[APP][IR] ONE To Remote Them All [3000+ Codes]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2271113
If HTC incorperates the drivers for it.
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There are already 3rd party apps that can use the IR port. There's one in the International HTC One app forum:
[APP][IR] ONE To Remote Them All [3000+ Codes]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2271113
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Unfortunately that doesn't do us much good if there's no support in the firmware
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