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Sorry for the noob question. Ive read many forums and not found astraight answer. I know the answer is out there, just want to get this thing rooted though. My evo 3d is running software version 2.08.651.2. Everything is entirely sock right now. I want root for wireless tether and overclock.
This software meqns i am running hboot 1.5 doesnt it? If so which methods work for root? Ive found several methods and watched several videos. If i try and choose the wrong method what are the consequences? If i couod post links id link the stuff ive found. Thanks guys is it true that the htc method does not achieve s-off?
The software version and hboot version isn't entirely connected 100%.
To check which hboot version you have, you'll have to remove the battery, put it back in, and then hold "Volume Down" button and then power on the phone (Most phones don't require having to remove the battery, but the EVO apparently does, as i found out the hard way after 20 times trying to get into recovery..)
It'll say something along the lines of:
*** LOCKED ***
SHOOTER_U PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-x.xx.xxxx
Reply with the HBOOT version and i can tell you more. (or someone else can)
If you try and root and S-OFF with the wrong methods, wrong tools, wrong phone etc, you could potentially brick the phone (which, as it sounds, means it'll be just as useful as a brick, since you can't do anything on it.. at all), but that is an absolute worst case scenario, and it will not happen if you do it correctly (which might sound hard, with all the technical mumbo jumbo, but it is actully quite easy).
The officla HTC Method does indeed not achieve S-OFF, so it's not an optimal solution.
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The software version and hboot version isn't entirely connected 100%.
To check which hboot version you have, you'll have to remove the battery, put it back in, and then hold "Volume Down" button and then power on the phone (Most phones don't require having to remove the battery, but the EVO apparently does, as i found out the hard way after 20 times trying to get into recovery..)
It'll say something along the lines of:
*** LOCKED ***
SHOOTER_U PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-x.xx.xxxx
Reply with the HBOOT version and i can tell you more. (or someone else can)
If you try and root and S-OFF with the wrong methods, wrong tools, wrong phone etc, you could potentially brick the phone (which, as it sounds, means it'll be just as useful as a brick, since you can't do anything on it.. at all), but that is an absolute worst case scenario, and it will not happen if you do it correctly (which might sound hard, with all the technical mumbo jumbo, but it is actully quite easy).
The officla HTC Method does indeed not achieve S-OFF, so it's not an optimal solution.
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So, do i need s-off? Im kind of a noob, so really advanced functiojs arent really useful yet. Ive read a few threads trying to figure what s-off is exactly, and it sounds like all it does is open a few extra commands over root. Kind of what i understand busybox does in others. I may misunderstand though. If i go ahead with the htc method of root and revolutionary figures out the s-off next week will i still be able to acheive s-off?
This is somewhat unrelated, but if, when i need to repoace an existing file with a new onein say astro, can i simply rename the old one with like a .bbb on the end and not move it? At several poihts in theroot process you are required to replace an existing file with a new one of the same name. Then replace the old one, or delete the added one. Can I just rename the old one, then put the name back and delete the new one to revert?
Indeed my phone is Hboot version 1.5. It reads
Locked
shooter xc ship s-on rL
Hboot-1.50.0000
Emmc-boot
Aug 7 2011, 10:21:40
So with 1.5 my only option is HTC method? With my tab I am able to completely uninstall and unroot as I please. Is the same true here? can someone link me a video of someone dependable doing it the HTC way? if I post my plan for rooting here will someone let me know if I'm off base so I don't brick my phone?
Can someone tell me the deal with cwm? Does it work or not? If its both ways, then what are the conditions under which it fails? Do I need to install cwm and twrp? What should I plan to do if cwm fails to install?
Another noob question. What is pushing a file exactly, and how and why is it done? I really don't want to get half way through this and discover I dont know what in gods name I'm doing.
I think I read on xda somewhere that if you turn of fastboot in the settings you dont have to remove the battery.
That's a lot of questions, a lot of this info can be found in the wikis and guides in the development section, but I can probably answer a few.
S-on is the encrypted bootloader, you need a special signature to he able to flash any ROMs or anything else to the system. Only HTC has the keys. So s-off allows you to install a custom recovery or anything else that can rewrite to the system.
From what I read so far HTC so called unlocked is not s-off like we are used to. People are having trouble flashing recoveries and kernels to their phones. I haven't payed much attention to the HTC method cause I used the unrevoked method.
You don't need s-off to flash ROMs but I guess if you want complete control over your phone (like the ability to flash bootloaders and various recoveries) you need to be s-off.
If you want to replace a file in the system name the old file extention .bak and then drop the new file in. Reboot to complete the changes. To revert, delete the modified file and just rename and take off the .bak extension.
As of now yes your only method of unlocking is using the HTC method with the 1.50 bootloader. CWM works fine and I think its the only compatible recovery with the 1.50 BL, TWRP is more polished and has a few added functions. I don't know when unrevoked will crack 1.5. Eventually they will.
If you don't know what in gods name your doing, don't mess with it until you do or understand the directions. Go though the general and q&a because I know there are already threads discussing setbacks and situations that your asking about.
Hope this helps.
One other thing to note is you need a different than stock kernal to overclock
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One other thing to note is you need a different than stock kernal to overclock
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The problem is HTC's unlock method DOES NOT allow you to flash a kernel! I repeat, it DOES NOT allow you to flash a kernel. I would highly suggest waiting for AlphaRevX and Unrevoked to implement the latest HBOOT to be supported in their tool. It is being worked on and when it is done it will give 100% s-off and unlock nand write protection(or eMMC in our case). It will allow you to flash kernels, radios and whatever else your heart desires. I suggest holding off until Revolutionary is updated. They will then tell you if you need to do HTC's method before theirs or not. If you use HTC's method and then Revolutionary is updated and you want full unlock, there is no way to know if you are screwed or not. We really need a sticky thread describing the difference between the 2 unlock methods and the benefits of each one. There are tons of posts in Q&A and General about 'I have HBOOT 1.50, can I overclock my phone?'...The answer is NO, because you have to be able to flash custom kernels to overclock and HTC is not going to allow that to happen. If they did they would have tons of returned devices from people screwing up their phones from overclocking and flashing radios and what not. It really makes sense to me why HTC didn't fully unlock the phone, but if you wait for the Revolutionary tool to be updated, it will. By then we may even have the latest source code for HTC's 2.3.4 kernel and will have custom kernels to play with. Right now there is no overclockable kernels for the latest update from HTC because they haven't released the kernel source yet.
thats confirmed, no kernel. and dont try. screws things up a little. reflashed. no change. you think if i flash the stock kernel it would let me? i think probably not. rom was doing fine till i attempted kernel though. synergy. its nice. lot nicer with s-off im sure.
Some great news.. the evo view 4g is now officially unlockable from HTC via htcdev.com. hope to see some magic happen now
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Thx for info ThoughtHalo, the skilled dev above me (globatron) actually brought us to the dev game in HC before HTC.. That's the greatness of XDA, were always ahead of the game.
So what does this mean for us with stock GB looking to go to HC but want root?
It means now you should be able to flash a recovery and install a superuser zip
this still sucks compared to s-off. really wish HTC would stop shafting it's loyal customers so hard. It's like they want us to buy galaxy tabs :-(.
at least all of the updaters have a way to root now.
contradude said:
this still sucks compared to s-off. really wish HTC would stop shafting it's loyal customers so hard. It's like they want us to buy galaxy tabs :-(.
at least all of the updaters have a way to root now.
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It means more than that, they've given us a way to roll back to GB, which in turn means that OTA updaters can get S-OFF after all.
It means now we can also just fastboot flash everything regardless of what firmware we are on which is even better.
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It means now we can also just fastboot flash everything regardless of what firmware we are on which is even better.
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If you rollback to GB and S-OFF then yes, otherwise you are way off the mark, it doesn't even come close to allowing you to do that.
With an unlocked bootloader, you should be able to flash new recoveries and other things...unlocked from HTC is the same as S-off. It allows the flashing of unsigned firmware. Unless this device is unlike every other device I've had from HTC, I'm pretty sure I'm correct.
Although since I never had to use it on any of my devices (Never had something like Evo 3D) then I might be incorrect. However, based off my thoughts as an unlocked bootloader means you can flash new recovery, boot, and OTA updates that are unsigned / have broken signatures.
If you're happy with it fine, but you're misinformed. It's really not the same as S-OFF at all as many including myself have already explained. I can't be bothered with repeating the explanations again.
I apologize for being mistaken but provide information so I can be correct in the future
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I apologize for being mistaken but provide information so I can be correct in the future
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Well one difference I know about between soff and htc unlock is that you have to fastboot flash kernels and recoveries you cant flash them through cwm when the device is only htc unlocked, however you can get fastboot to flash them, at least thats how it is on the evo 3d.
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Well one difference I know about between soff and htc unlock is that you have to fastboot flash kernels and recoveries you cant flash them through cwm when the device is only htc unlocked, however you can get fastboot to flash them, at least thats how it is on the evo 3d.
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10 points for mark
flashing radios;custom(or stock) RUUs when unlocked; downgradability (not blocked on stock view hboot this time);but the s-off hboot protects itself from getting replaced so no nasty OTA surprises;bypassing CID restrictions, there are a few more but they are probably of no interest to most people.
EDIT: Yeah, also forgot HTC unlock erases your DRM keys.
That's good news... I'd assume I need to be back to the stock RUU S-ON to unlock it? As I already have the Rev. S-Off on my View now.
If it's not going to break it then I'll just go have it unlock it now.
globatron said:
10 points for mark
flashing radios;custom(or stock) RUUs when unlocked; downgradability (not blocked on stock view hboot this time);but the s-off hboot protects itself from getting replaced so no nasty OTA surprises;bypassing CID restrictions, there are a few more but they are probably of no interest to most people.
EDIT: Yeah, also forgot HTC unlock erases your DRM keys.
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But all root apps work right? And you can still flash radios and custom RUUs through the bootloader, correct? And taking OTA's isn't smart when rooted either way. So what are the consequences of losing the DRM keys?
GadgetMonger said:
But all root apps work right? And you can still flash radios and custom RUUs through the bootloader, correct? And taking OTA's isn't smart when rooted either way. So what are the consequences of losing the DRM keys?
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Correct, you can root and all apps will work, Wrong; go read, can't do radios or RUUS, Normally it's perfectly fine with a stock recovery and a protected hboot.
DRM keys are not really a problem unless you bought from watch or some other built-in thing like that.
Honestly, I couldn't care less which people do, but unlock is a pain for developers to deal with and frustrating when flashing roms. But I dislike incorrect statements like saying S-OFF and unlock are the same thing.
While its a "half assed s-off through fast boot, its still technically an s-off. Just not proper. So they aren't the same, just similar. They aren't however what people WANT on their devices.
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While its a "half assed s-off through fast boot, its still technically an s-off. Just not proper. So they aren't the same, just similar. They aren't however what people WANT on their devices.
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Do this. Unlock with the HTC method then boot to bootloader. You will notice that your device is telling you that it is unlocked but still s-on. As far as I know s-on means exactly that and not "half assed" s-off. I dont think you're understanding the difference.
No I understand the difference. S-off means the entire device is no longer secured at all. You can flash anything from the device. With unlock, you can only flash using fast boot and you can't flash certain things like radios etc. Only kernels, recovery, and downgrading RUU's
Therefore, its a "halfassed" s-off
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I am going to risk being told that I am an idiot here but I have to ask. I have had my 3D for almost a year now and I just can't take not rooting it yet! It is HBoot 1.5 and this the first smart phone I have ever had (the last 8) that I have not been flashing ROMs on. I just gave up that it will be possible but I have seen a bunch of forums on being able to do this.
My questions lie on the fact that I have a Mac and PC but no Linux system. I see the bootable CD options but not sure what is best. Either way it seems like a lot of work for a ROM but I just need to get a ROM on this damn phone! Is there any good videos? Where the hell do I even truly start. Way to many different options. I feel like a NOOB again even though I have flashed hundreds of ROMS and even cooked some back in my WinMob days!
Thanks guys for the help.
This is the General section. Refer to the Questions and Answers section. Just because you weren't rooting doesn't mean you can't post in the correct section.
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Evo3d HBoot/S-off Differences/Rooting Background Info 8-5-12
Edit: I will no longer be maintaining this post. Instead I have started a full thread to help track the changes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29844067#post29844067
I've had the Evo3D for a few months now and must say I really have come to like it.
If you want root, it's a bit quirky, You basically have 3 options:
(See the Hboot 1.50 HTC Unlock Guide in my signature for info & links)
1) HTCdev.com's "Bootloader Unlock":
Basically this leaves the bootloader's (Hboot 1.50) security flag on (S-On) but "unlocks the bootloader" (kinda like the phones Bios) so that you can manually flash everything except for Radios (Baseband) and Boot Logo's (Splash Screen). Kernels & roms can be flashed once a custom recovery is installed, but there are "extra" steps involved because the /boot partition (kernel/zImage) can only be set to write access from the Android OS or by initiating custom recovery from a pc's "Fastboot Command Prompt". There are workarounds, some work better than others. To flash Radio updates, you have to relock the bootloader and flash an OEM Full Stock Ruu (Rom Update Utility), kinda like Samsung's Sw Updater for the Transform. You also have to register your device with HTC and it "may void your warranty".
2) Downgrade Bootloader from Hboot 1.50 to 1.40 (to get S-Off):
This is a recent development by Unknownforce in the last few weeks. Basically involves corrupting the flashing process of the RUU by removing power in the middle of the flash and "bricking it" (more like mostly bricked). It forces the phone into a special eMMC Download mode that can only be fixed by pushing the older bootloader to the phone from a Linux pc. Good thing is that Closeone has a Linux LiveCD.iso that you copy to a USB Drive or CD and temporarily boot to a custom Linux Interface specifically set up for flashing the bootloader.
Once that's done, you rerun an earlier RUU (compatible with Hboot 1.40) to get the phone working fully, then root via "Revolutionary's site" (another fastboot/adb rooting tool) to get S-Off (Full root), load a recovery, update the radio, then you can flash roms & kernels like normal.
My current setup (keep coming back to MeanRom):
Hboot 1.40.1100 (Downgraded)
Firmware: 2.17.651.5 (Base)
Radio: 1.06.00.1216 (from 2.17 base)
Recovery: 4ext Recovery (Fully Compatible with CWM, which was a bit buggy except for v4.0.1.4)
Rom: MeanRom ICS
kernel: atx 1.9.1
Mods: LeeDroid Tweaks CDMA, ADW_Ex Launcher, Several Apps removed with SDX Stock App Remover (posted in SDX Evo3D General section).
3) Edit: Juopunutbear's S-OFF Wire Trick:
There is a similar third option now to brick (short out pins with a wire) & replace the bootloader on 1.50 with s-off but I haven't tried it. (Must HTC Unlock first & have a rooted "Stockish" rom installed)
dmdelgado said:
I wanted to share with everyone else suffering from HBoot 1.5 that if you have been using Chads ICS Firmware fix because of constant bootloops you dont need to downgrade your HBoot to 1.4. I know every time i would flash the firmware fix it would break many bugs that had already been fixed, I had to flash it to avoid getting constant boot-loops. But Juopunutbear's Wire trick to get S-Off was a miracle fix, and after it turns S-Off it asks if you would like to install a custom Juopunutbear Hboot. After this is done you are officially on HBoot 1.5 S-Off! And can flash any ICSense ROMS successfully without having bootloops! I really hope this helps someone enjoy their ROMs that much MORE because i know it feels good TO FINALLY BE FREED FROM THE CURSE OF S-ON!
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HBoot S-Off Background Info:
mpgrimm2 said:
To be honest I have not considered anything about the bootloader since downgrading and getting s-Off. I will point out that us "downgraders" don't have hboot 1.40 but "Revolutionary Hboot 1.40.1100".
My understanding is that it has more functions than stock hboot 1.40/1.50 but less functions than the Engineering Hboot. Kinda like your Jbear Hboot 1.50.5050, but I could be wrong. I'm sure one of the devs like Mike, Chad, Joeykrim, xhausx, freeza, Unknownforce, Closeone, etc would know.
Hboots:____________________Differences:
1.04.xxxx ? (Eng Hboot) = Extended functions .... Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.30 (Stock Hboot with 1.07.651.1 Gb) .......... Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.40 (Stock Hboot with 1.13.651.7 Gb) ......... Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.40.1100 (incl. w/Revolutionary S-Off) ................. Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.50 (Stock Hboot with 2.17.651.5 Gb) ........ 2.89 based kernels status unknown
1.50.5050 (incl. w/Jbear for GB S-Off) .................. May be compatible with newer 2.89 based kernels & prior fw/kernels (some reports)
1.57.5757 (incl. w/Jbear for ICS S-Off) ................. May be compatible with newer 2.89 based kernels & prior fw/kernels (some reports)
1.58 (Stock Hboot with 2.89.651.2 ICS) ............. Compatible with newer 2.89 based kernels (& Vm ICS Leak), not GB based (some reports)
...............................................................................edit: Some boot issues with AOSP/AOKP roms & kernels reported (ie CM9)
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Unknownforce said:
First, keep in mind, that there are technically two S-OFF's, the hboot and the radio. This is somewhat misleading. When you're phone displays S-OFF on the hboot screen, this is actually the Radio S-OFF, not hboot S-OFF. Gaining hboot S-OFF is actually just as simple as flashing a new modified hboot. (which is why there are revo hboot and now jbear hboot, they have been modified to now have hboot S-OFF)
hboot S-OFF is almost the same as unlocking your bootloader via HTC's method. Just that HTC's method doesn't get you S-OFF and is more limited than revo/jbear S-OFF.
So a few of the the differences here are:
1.) ENG Hboot is S-OFF and offers more fastboot commands and a few more unlocked features. This is an advanced hboot that you can do serious damage to the partitions in your phone if you don't know what you're doing. It's kind of like an all access pass.
2.) The stock hboots are S-ON, they don't allow very many of the fastboot commands. These are limited to very basic fastboot commands.
3.) revo/jbear are S-OFF, they allow for many of the "standard" fastboot commands, like flashing to partitions and whatnot, but not nearly as "feature packed" as the eng hboot, these are typically enough for normal users.
As to it providing any benefit to using a newer version of hboot, the only one that provides more features is the eng hboot for more fastboot access. What this means is that there's no major feature/performance difference between 1.30 and 1.57 aside from some appearance and some security adjustments (to allow HTC Unlock and also attempt to counter the S-OFF/exploits)
As I understand it, the differences between radio S-OFF and hboot S-OFF are basically as follows:
Radio S-OFF has signature verification off, what this means is that you can flash any PG86IMG.zip and it doesn't have to be signed by HTC. This will allow it to flash just about anything from there. This is why you can revert to a lower hboot without having to do anything special when you accidentally (or purposefully) flash a new hboot over your revo or any other hboot. Radio S-OFF also doesn't check the signature of most of the current partitions (so you don't get "security warning")
hboot S-OFF allows many more of the fastboot commands to be accepted and opens up the ability to flash some of the restricted partitions from it as well.
Hope this helps clear up some confusion.
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fergdogg23 said:
I am going to risk being told that I am an idiot here but I have to ask. I have had my 3D for almost a year now and I just can't take not rooting it yet! It is HBoot 1.5 and this the first smart phone I have ever had (the last 8) that I have not been flashing ROMs on. I just gave up that it will be possible but I have seen a bunch of forums on being able to do this.
My questions lie on the fact that I have a Mac and PC but no Linux system. I see the bootable CD options but not sure what is best. Either way it seems like a lot of work for a ROM but I just need to get a ROM on this damn phone! Is there any good videos? Where the hell do I even truly start. Way to many different options. I feel like a NOOB again even though I have flashed hundreds of ROMS and even cooked some back in my WinMob days!
Thanks guys for the help.
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Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585846
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Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585846
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I wouldnt try this.
I would first try to downgrade hboot or just unlock your hboot 1.50 and use 4ext to flash roms and flash GUI to flash kernels..
I ended up bricking my evo by using the Juopunutbear S-OFF wire trick.
fergdogg23 said:
I am going to risk being told that I am an idiot here but I have to ask. I have had my 3D for almost a year now and I just can't take not rooting it yet! It is HBoot 1.5 and this the first smart phone I have ever had (the last 8) that I have not been flashing ROMs on. I just gave up that it will be possible but I have seen a bunch of forums on being able to do this.
My questions lie on the fact that I have a Mac and PC but no Linux system. I see the bootable CD options but not sure what is best. Either way it seems like a lot of work for a ROM but I just need to get a ROM on this damn phone! Is there any good videos? Where the hell do I even truly start. Way to many different options. I feel like a NOOB again even though I have flashed hundreds of ROMS and even cooked some back in my WinMob days!
Thanks guys for the help.
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I know exactly how you feel. I used to flash my HTC Wing all the time with Windows Mobile. Even tried my hand at cooking some roms. Coming over to Android many years later -- yeah makes you feel like a noob again.
Its not that hard really. You are already familiar with what is involved with flashing. All you have to do is take it one step at a time. Just like you did years ago with Windows Mobile. Lots of tutorials walk you right through it. After you do it, you'll look back and see how easy it really was.
You'll need to unlock your bootloader and root the phone. Once you've done that you can flash almost any rom on here. I would not go S-Off just yet. I have read that downgrading your H-Boot slows the phone way down. There really is no good way to do it with 1.5 yet. There may not ever be as Sprint stopped selling the Evo 3D and lots of people are moving on to other phones.
The night I did mine, I started at 7:00 pm and finally figured it all out and got it done it was 4:30 am.
Just have to do alot of reading. No way around that.
How does soff slow the phone?
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How does soff slow the phone?
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Just read on here, its not S-Off that slows down the phone, its the downgrade of H-Boot.
Here is the link to what I read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661709
Here is what the guy says:
frexe said:
I recently downgraded to 1.4 hboot with revolutionary s off. I then updated with Freezas AIO. And running meanrom ics 1.0 now.
The problem is that my 3g speed is at slug speeds. Ping is up at 900ish download and upload is below 100.
Before I was on hboot 1.5 2.17.651.5_Radio_1.06.00.1216 and had decent speeds.
Just wondering if someone can shed some light to this problem. Or maybe I have to go back to 1.5hboot and live without a true root.
My Phone is flashed to boost.
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iTzLOLtrain said:
I wouldnt try this.
I would first try to downgrade hboot or just unlock your hboot 1.50 and use 4ext to flash roms and flash GUI to flash kernels..
I ended up bricking my evo by using the Juopunutbear S-OFF wire trick.
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This^
Unlock and try 4ext first it will allow you to flash roms and kernels without the need to downgrade. I downgraded to hboot 1.4 because I was getting boot loops but I read that a lot of unlocked hboot 1.5 S-On people are fine so try first before going through what can be a tricky and somewhat risky process to get S-Off.
I have experienced no slowdown from downgrading and I can't see how that would have an effect but I'll let someone more knowledgeable chime in if that is a factor or not.
I haven't seen any speed slow downs with Hboot 1.50 downgraded to 1.40 either. I have seen slow downs when sprint was working on tower upgrades that went away after a week or two (drove me nuts). I would point out that the person that reported downgrade "related" slow downs had flashed the phone to Boost mobile, so there's another factor to consider. Edit: Reading thru the rest of that thread proves it wasn't related to Hboot/S-off.
I'm a bit leary on the Juno method, but I've seen references to people shorting out the pin before in lieu of a Jtag setup, so it's pretty much as sound/risky as Unknownforce's Downgrade method. Although, the hboot downgrade has a huge number of successful attempts and the handful of permabricks where because someone got in a hurry and skipped a step/didn't pay attention to what they were doing.
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I'm a bit leary on the Juno method, but I've seen references to people shorting out the pin before in lieu of a Jtag setup, so it's pretty much as sound/risky as Unknownforce's Downgrade method. Although, the hboot downgrade has a huge number of successful attempts and the handful of permabricks where because someone got in a hurry and skipped a step/didn't pay attention to what they were doing.
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Agreed.
I'll admit that the JuopunutBear (wire trick) method may look a little more risky than the HBoot 1.4 downgrade process, but I've done two Evo 3D's using a paperclip wrapped in scotch tape (not the preferred equipment) and haven't had a problem with either phone. Several of the "bricked" users have reported a USB status in Windows of "QHSUSB_DLOAD" in the HTC Unbricking Project thread and I added this post from the HTC Amaze forum to the thread which claims that status is not a real brick (if it was there wouldn't be any indication the phone was even connected in Windows) and it can be recovered using the ControlBear utility. I got no feedback from the people that were reporting that status, and the OP also indicated that the phones were probably not hard bricked.
I haven't seen any feedback from anyone with a "bricked" phone about contacting the developers via the IRC channel they advertise on their website (#juopunutbear on freenode) or PM'ing them as I suggested in the jb thread. I have only been able to identify a few users that claim to have bricked their phones via the jb method, but they seem to be posting about their negative experience with that process in many different threads.
I don't really care which method people choose to get to S-Off as they all have risks involved and it's up to each person to determine what level of risk they are willing to take. The JuopunutBear method was a lot simpler for me and I'm not convinced the risk is that high if you use the right type of wire (insulated copper wire is recommended) and follow the instructions as documented (which a lot of people don't), but that method is fairly new and I wouldn't blame people that are HBoot 1.5 S-On for waiting a little while longer to see how many more users claim to have bricked their phones with that method.
Most people can get by with HBoot 1.5 S-On using tools like 4EXT SmartFlash and Flash Image GUI, but for those that have problems with the stock ICS kernel or want to get to S-Off for other reasons, at least there are alternatives now.
ramjet73
just stay with 1.5 s-on
ive been on 1.5 for awhile with s on and it hasnt been that big of a deal. My old evo was soff and there were some nice rom switching with cwm but I uaes to use cwm to flash roms on my evo and it worked like a charm but it does not let you flash the kernal, I was having to flash kernal seperatly with flash gui which is a free download but 4xt works fine and dont have to flash kernal seperatly but eitherway is fine as I usually use specific kernals anyway. I found a routin that I am happy with and wont switch until I brick my phone or get a new one lol.
Good luck
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THIS IS NOT SAFE FOR REGAINING S-OFF
DO NOT PERFORM THIS METHOD IF YOU WISH TO KEEP S-OFF
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So i didnt want to wait for the devs to update thier roms, and i wanted the radio updates as well. for all those ppl say not to do the OTA you will losew root until a new method is found are not correct. Yes you will lose root, but you can get it back. and its easy. Here are the steps
1. Relock boot loader
2. apply RUU for the same rom version you are running http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1645890
3. rerun RegawMOD EVO 4G LTE Rooter
3a. It will sucessfully unlock and flash the recovery on your phone, but it will fail to root it.
3b. Download the rooting files http://downloadandroidrom.com/file/HTCEvo4GLTE/rooting/Evo4GLTERoot2.zip
4. Extract the contents of the zip file
5. Copy the file CWM-SuperSU-v0.87.zip to your SD card
6. Reboot to recovery
7. Flash CWM-SuperSU-v0.87.zip
8. Reboot to system and Viola you have have a rooted install
But can you still unlock with Lazy Panda?
EDIT: I realize you can unlock with the RegawMod unlock, but I have no doubt HTC's unlock tool will work.
Try to lazy panda your new hboot
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Try to lazy panda your new hboot
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This is really the main(only?) concern.
Sent from my LTEvo
You are not correct. People are not saying "Don't do the OTA because you'll lose root", they're saying "Don't do the OTA because you'll lose the ability to S-OFF".
This happened with the Evo 3D. We had S-OFF for HBOOT 1.4, and then an OTA comes that upgrades to HBOOT 1.5. The S-OFF exploit was patched with 1.5, making it damn near impossible to S-OFF.
Seriously. If you're even remotely considering S-OFF, don't bother with applying the OTA. Wait for ROM devs to incorporate the OTA into their custom ROMs, because they will do it in a way that doesn't change your HBOOT or any other sensitive partition.
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You are not correct. People are not saying "Don't do the OTA because you'll lose root", they're saying "Don't do the OTA because you'll lose the ability to S-OFF".
This happened with the Evo 3D. We had S-OFF for HBOOT 1.4, and then an OTA comes that upgrades to HBOOT 1.5. The S-OFF exploit was patched with 1.5, making it damn near impossible to S-OFF.
Seriously. If you're even remotely considering S-OFF, don't bother with applying the OTA. Wait for ROM devs to incorporate the OTA into their custom ROMs, because they will do it in a way that doesn't change your HBOOT or any other sensitive partition.
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Sure you may lose the ability to "S-OFF" but in all honesty, with these phones I can do every thing with S-ON, that you can do with S-OFF, except i have a couple of extra steps. Honestly the only reason i would S-OFF is to flash the radios easier. but how many times do you acutually flash a different radio to your phone? I do about every time there is a new update.
This is really for the people the HTC and RegawMod Unlock. Lazy Panda ppl continue to heed the disclaimer. I have no desire to completly S-OFF, unless someone can come with with a compelling reason to do so.
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Sure you may lose the ability to "S-OFF" but in all honesty, with these phones I can do every thing with S-ON, that you can do with S-OFF, except i have a couple of extra steps. Honestly the only reason i would S-OFF is to flash the radios easier. but how many times do you acutually flash a different radio to your phone? I do about every time there is a new update.
This is really for the people the HTC and RegawMod Unlock. Lazy Panda ppl continue to heed the disclaimer. I have no desire to completly S-OFF, unless someone can come with with a compelling reason to do so.
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Dude, just listen to LiquidSolstice on this one. DO NOT OTA an already S-OFF PHONE! Literally in a few hours we will probably have a stock / rooted ROM posted. Just have patience.
HseloMein said:
Sure you may lose the ability to "S-OFF" but in all honesty, with these phones I can do every thing with S-ON, that you can do with S-OFF, except i have a couple of extra steps. Honestly the only reason i would S-OFF is to flash the radios easier. but how many times do you acutually flash a different radio to your phone? I do about every time there is a new update.
This is really for the people the HTC and RegawMod Unlock. Lazy Panda ppl continue to heed the disclaimer. I have no desire to completly S-OFF, unless someone can come with with a compelling reason to do so.
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The compelling reason to S-OFF is the fact that HTC and Sprint are never made aware in the slightest that you have done anything to your phone. The Dev unlock runs and tells HTC and Sprint that you are messing with your device. If done correctly, S-OFF gives you complete unfettered access to your phone, and with the proper tools, you can ensure you don't have to deal with the warning text on the screen that almost criminalizes you for having the audacity to unlock your phone.
People who are S-ON and HTC Dev unlocked ultimately run into strange issues down the road. You just wait until full AOSP comes around. On the Evo 3D, it was a nightmare. Even on the One-X, they're having issues because their boot partition is still locked and they can't use custom kernels (though I don't think that's as much of an issue with our phones).
S-OFF is so easy to perform, and the ONLY type of soft-brick that sometimes happens when performing it can be easily fixed with a dedicated tool. There is literally no downside to being S-OFF.
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with these phones I can do every thing with S-ON, that you can do with S-OFF
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I'd love to see you have the H-boot say S-ON and ***locked*** while still rooted
While your at it, go ahead try to remove the red HTC text as well.
HseloMein said:
Sure you may lose the ability to "S-OFF" but in all honesty, with these phones I can do every thing with S-ON, that you can do with S-OFF, except i have a couple of extra steps. Honestly the only reason i would S-OFF is to flash the radios easier. but how many times do you acutually flash a different radio to your phone? I do about every time there is a new update.
This is really for the people the HTC and RegawMod Unlock. Lazy Panda ppl continue to heed the disclaimer. I have no desire to completly S-OFF, unless someone can come with with a compelling reason to do so.
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Lol so much fail. Good luck with that bro. I'm keeping my s-off
No one should follow this guy. You better hope it doesn't come back to bite you in the ass.
And you sir are in denial.
Sent from my EVO using xda premium
Rxpert said:
I'd love to see you have the H-boot say S-ON and ***locked*** while still rooted
While your at it, go ahead try to remove the red HTC text as well.
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And although this may seem like just a visual thing, I have a friend who sent his phone in Dev unlocked and they denied his Google Wallet claim to replace the phone.
He then got his phone S-OFF'd through LazyPanda, changed the bootloader text, and sent it in again, and granted, I didn't think it would go through, but they accepted it that time.
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And although this may seem like just a visual thing, I have a friend who sent his phone in Dev unlocked and they denied his Google Wallet claim to replace the phone.
He then got his phone S-OFF'd through LazyPanda, changed the bootloader text, and sent it in again, and granted, I didn't think it would go through, but they accepted it that time.
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Well that is a compelling reason for me, but i still think the 1st post is good for ppl that do not want to S-OFF after doing an HTC unlock. Im sure there are other users out there like me. The disclaimers and watermarks dont bother me in the slightest.
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Well that is a compelling reason for me, but i still think the 1st post is good for ppl that do not want to S-OFF after doing an HTC unlock. Im sure there are other users out there like me. The disclaimers and watermarks dont bother me in the slightest.
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While I respect your choice, I must also respectfully disagree with it. Regardless of what I think, you did take the time to explain how to re-root, and for that, I can't fault you. Thanks for your contribution.
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Well that is a compelling reason for me, but i still think the 1st post is good for ppl that do not want to S-OFF after doing an HTC unlock. Im sure there are other users out there like me. The disclaimers and watermarks dont bother me in the slightest.
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A recognized developer warning us should be enough reason.
OMG pbedard thanking my post? The world has just ended, lol.
Nice to see you again pbedard
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if you do accept the new update and lose S-OFF can you not just run the original RUU to get back to the release image which allows you to S-OFF again?
Once you apply the ota it installs a new hboot that blocks the current s-off method so keep that in mind. I don't know if running a ruu reverts the hboot.
Sent from my EVO 4G LTE
RoidPusher said:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if you do accept the new update and lose S-OFF can you not just run the original RUU to get back to the release image which allows you to S-OFF again?
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Nope. Keep your hboot. It can be difficult if not impossible to downgrade hboot.
Sent from an EVO 4G LTE using Tapatalk 2.
HseloMein, would you mind editing the title of this thread (maybe add [S-ON] at the beginning) to indicate that it may affect the ability to get S-OFF in the future.
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Once you apply the ota it installs a new hboot that blocks the current s-off method so keep that in mind. I don't know if running a ruu reverts the hboot.
Sent from my EVO 4G LTE
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Is this fact or assumption on the HBOOT Update? I'm S-off and no damn way am I taking the update BUT I thought I'd ask just for general knowledge. Back on the 3D, while we did get the HBOOT update, at least if you were S-off before the HBOOT update you held on to that and weren't stuck like chuck with HBOOT 1.50.000, what a nightmare. We were able to downgrade the HBOOT as long as you were S-off but why go through all that pain. I guess the saving grace here is that we really do have a pretty good "official" Dev unlock that doensn't totally screw you like the half baked unlock we got from HTC for the EVO 3D.
I need to get the word out to any and all LTE owners I know to not take it before I can S-off their phones.... might be a busy rest of the week! :laugh:
Thanks
Forgive me for starting a new thread; I've utilized the search here and some Google-fu, but still have questions for the community.
I recently upgraded to an HTC Rezound from a Thunderbolt, and have accepted the stock OTA ICS update last weekend.
This has not stopped me from Rooting the device, however. Using an All-In-One Toolkit downloaded here, I was able to Unlock the Bootloader, Install custom Recovery (ClockWorkMod Touch), and have SU flashed. All signs point to root, but I would like to know a few things.
- Is there currently any method of acquiring S-OFF, other than the juopunutBear "Wire Trick"? It sounds incredibly risky, and I feel a bit hesitant to try it connecting pins on the back of my phone with insulated wire... I would like to have S-OFF, in case I want to roll back using a PH98IMG.zip
After rooting, I noticed that the text ****TAMPERED**** appears above the UNLOCKED line when I power on into HBOOT. Is this normal? Or have I messed things up? The best answer I have gleaned so far is from another device's forum, and that this simply indicates that I have root.
Would love to hear some feedback. This is my 5th Smartphone starting with the G1, and I have rooted every single one within days. Only the Rezound seems to be the trickiest for me.
Let me know your thoughts, thanks.
The hboot says tampered after you install a custom recovery so that's normal. I was the same way about s-off it seemed to risky and complicated but in all honesty it is very simple. It's our only way to get s-off and the main thing is getting the timing right for the wire trick. I got it on my second try. I would say just read up on it and gain as much info until you feel comfortable to do it.
Sent From My HTC Rezound
big_mike_2k6 said:
The hboot says tampered after you install a custom recovery so that's normal. I was the same way about s-off it seemed to risky and complicated but in all honesty it is very simple. It's our only way to get s-off and the main thing is getting the timing right for the wire trick. I got it on my second try. I would say just read up on it and gain as much info until you feel comfortable to do it.
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Thanks, that confirms a number of suspicions. & As I understand it, I need to be S-OFF in order to flash a custom ROM, correct?
And this is due to the fact that I not only have to flash the ROM in recovery, but also flash a Kernel through HBOOT?
I want to start flashing custom ROMs, but in the meantime, I'm fairly happy with rooted ICS. Got Google Now working, removed 'App Associations' menu, and removed the VZW crapware, so root is working out rather well
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Thanks, that confirms a number of suspicions. & As I understand it, I need to be S-OFF in order to flash a custom ROM, correct?
And this is due to the fact that I not only have to flash the ROM in recovery, but also flash a Kernel through HBOOT?
I want to start flashing custom ROMs, but in the meantime, I'm fairly happy with rooted ICS. Got Google Now working, removed 'App Associations' menu, and removed the VZW crapware, so root is working out rather well
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You don't need to be s-off to flash a Rom but you do need to flash the kernel separate in hboot when you're s-on. When you're s-off you don't have to. I myself usually stay fairly close to stock with a few tweaks here and there and of course Verizons crap long gone.
Sent From My HTC Rezound
One more thing... Given my software version, etc, if I S-OFF now, would I bork my device?
Also, it looks like at the unlimited.io site, there is only a Windows version of juopunutbear for Gingerbread, and early ICS versions. My phone's software is on version is 3.14.605.12; does this mean I should abandon attempting to S-OFF ?
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One more thing... Given my software version, etc, if I S-OFF now, would I bork my device?
Also, it looks like at the unlimited.io site, there is only a Windows version of juopunutbear for Gingerbread, and early ICS versions. My phone's software is on version is 3.14.605.12; does this mean I should abandon attempting to S-OFF ?
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No you'll be fine doing it on your current version. You can use the file from the unlimited.io site for the 3.14.605.05 ics leak it works with the official ics update.
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i know clockwork will bork your device im not sure if the touch version does the same thing.
I recommend installing Amon Ra recovery or TWRP.
If i helped thanks me