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How are the beta testers doing today? Are you feeling like you paid $500+ to beta test the prime for Asus/Nvidia/Google? Well me too!!
At this point, I have been through several firmwares that have both broken and fixed specific issues that I have run into. I just want things to get resolved with every new update, that is not the case currently.
I am terribly frustrated after giving my beautiful prime to my dad to see how amazing this tablet is, only to have him give it back a few minutes later after several things he tried either crashed, or did not respond to input at all!
This is not the first time I have given it to someone who wanted to be wowed-- and wasn't!!!
After trying really hard to remain an Asus fan through all of this, I am starting to feel like just an unpaid beta tester.
I know that Asus is trying really hard to make it's prime the device it was promised to be but I am getting less convinced by the day that we will ever get this.
I am not claiming that Asus is entirely at fault, but ultimately, it is their product and their decisions to use the hardware and software that they did- as well as to make those components work together properly.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I GET FOR BEING A BETA TESTER!!!
We should all be asking this question of Asus at this point. Even those of us who have had decent experiences with the prime have still run into issues....
(yes, even demandarin has had issues despite professing his undying admiration)
Get a refund...
Sounds like you have a defective tablet. Your post is unlikely to be well accepted for two reasons. The first is that you're not disclosing what you've done to resolve this issue for yourself. The second is that you've only come here to complain rather than obtain help for yourself.
Aye, really didn't need another thread about a four month running old joke.
Yes, a lot about the Prime's life up to now has sucked ridiculously hard and there are some very obvious issues with ASUS in general. But they haven't abandoned anyone (maybe Italy and Greek with the GPS dongle) and, as mentioned, you'd likely succeed in getting a refund if you're really not happy with the device; then you really almost did get to beta test for ASUS because you've used the hell out of the device and come out no poorer for having the opportunity after returning it to them.
Good luck with your Prime adventures, sorry it's not working out as well for you as it is me. Yes I experience some issues (especially when I'm dumb enough to blindly update), but nothing so far has stopped this thing from wow'ing everyone around me.
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Sounds like you have a defective tablet. Your post is unlikely to be well accepted for two reasons. The first is that you're not disclosing what you've done to resolve this issue for yourself. The second is that you've only come here to complain rather than obtain help for yourself.
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I want to know how it is possible that the tablet is defective when everyone(even those who say they have no other issues) have issues still. And I have been here since the launch trying to get help for my poor prime(mostly reading the helpful posts since I don't have a lot of time to post myself).
As for issues, I will cite the games that will no longer work properly after the .21 update, also the touchscreen issues(without root and calibration), and the overall lack of real system stability, force closes, browser freezes, stutters when opening apps, browser scrolling is crappy at best. Wifi--- should I even mention the fact that no prime I have ever worked with maintained a reliable wifi connection. Frequent forget/re-learn or disconnect/reconnect required to get it back!!
Maybe coming off a fresh reset, it is snappy, but it lags after using it for a small period of time. I have used 6 primes at this point from b-c up to #3 and none of them were without these issues.
In addition to all of that, I was looking forward to unlocking (not partial unlocking) and anticipation of some rom play. I refuse to unlock, obviously unlocking without allowing the proper recovery methods is not wise at this point.
I don't want to find out that my favorite hardware maker is not up to the task, and had some renewed faith with the GPS dongle, but I am really having a hard time. I love the prime in idea, but the device itself has not lived up to the promises and I just want them to do something more than an ugly add on to an otherwise beautiful device to resolve the months of frustration that so many have had. It does address the GPS issue, and I appreciate that they did address it, BUT that does not make up for the other issues that even the good primes have.
Show me a "good" prime and I will show you why it has issues, and you will be sad too. I have done this with 2 different owners who said theirs were "perfect". They were just not using the device to do the same things and assumed everything was working properly.
If you don't want to "Beta test" a product that costs so damn much, shut the **** up and buy products that have already been on the market for enough _years_ (and I mean like > 5) to be fully beta tested instead of something shiny and new.
Guess what? This isn't an Original Droid or a G1, it's a new device. Live with it or return it for a refund 'cuz this isn't a place for whining.
Now back to your regularlly scheduled beta tests....
Spidey-- apparently you don't have a very good grasp on what a beta tester is, and the cost was never the issue-- it was that there was a cost at all to beta test a product!!!
Beta Tester: someone who tests a product before it is released. Product testers help companies identify weak points in their products which could cause consumer frustration, and they also identify specific issues which need to be corrected before a product can be released. Typically, beta testers test several incarnations of a product, until it is deemed ready for release. Most commonly, beta testers work with electronics and software.
SURE SOUNDS LIKE ASUS NEEDED SOME OF THOSE GUYS... and never found them until they released the device to US, the unwitting consumers.
To be clear, I would not have minded being one of those beta testers, but we should not have had to pay so damn much for that honor.
btw spidey, stfu? really? Is it really that under your skin?
jordanmw said:
How are the beta testers doing today? Are you feeling like you paid $500+ to beta test the prime for Asus/Nvidia/Google? Well me too!!
At this point, I have been through several firmwares that have both broken and fixed specific issues that I have run into. I just want things to get resolved with every new update, that is not the case currently.
I am terribly frustrated after giving my beautiful prime to my dad to see how amazing this tablet is, only to have him give it back a few minutes later after several things he tried either crashed, or did not respond to input at all!
This is not the first time I have given it to someone who wanted to be wowed-- and wasn't!!!
After trying really hard to remain an Asus fan through all of this, I am starting to feel like just an unpaid beta tester.
I know that Asus is trying really hard to make it's prime the device it was promised to be but I am getting less convinced by the day that we will ever get this.
I am not claiming that Asus is entirely at fault, but ultimately, it is their product and their decisions to use the hardware and software that they did- as well as to make those components work together properly.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I GET FOR BEING A BETA TESTER!!!
We should all be asking this question of Asus at this point. Even those of us who have had decent experiences with the prime have still run into issues....
(yes, even demandarin has had issues despite professing his undying admiration)
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Jordanmw, I know how you feel. I was feeling the same way when I had my prime. Just return it pal you'll feel much better with no regrets. I'm done after trying two but major props to you for sticking with them and went through six (6) and still not satisfied.
ps. these fanboy's I'm telling you, LMFAO.
Crazy, my tablet and the three friends who also bought one all work perfectly!
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Jordanmw, I know how you feel. I was feeling the same way when I had my prime. Just return it pal you'll feel much better with no regrets. I'm done after trying two but major props to you for sticking with them and went through six (6) and still not satisfied.
ps. these fanboy's I'm telling you, LMFAO.
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I am actually a fanboy myself, that is why this is so frustrating for me. I did not RMA 6 times or anything but had 6 different ones, each for a week at a time- used as my personal tablet. It was for work-- I still have my personal one that I bought back in the beginning of Feb. C0 serial. That is the one that I bought for myself and all the others are being used by company users. Two of those have been RMA'd for different reasons and came back with the exact same issues that they were sent for.
Cool story Bro!
Okay, we really don't need another one of these...
OP, please search the forum first. There are plenty of other threads where you could have expressed your feelings.
Closed before this produces any serious issues among the users.
Just a quick note of thanks to OaT for his superior builds and the sadness he's now discontinued them .
I was first in line of the hungry hoards who insatiably devoured every mouthwatering release - from LnT_Beats to Linaro experimental builds, and to my shame never got a word of thanks or feedback out to the master chef! Unfortunately this pattern of general behaviour I believe contributed to the demise of this coveted build.
I tried a number of times to feedback on OaT's threads but was blocked by forum rules (hadn't hit the 10 x post threshold) and frustrated by this it was easy not to make the effort and feedback on this fine ROM. Apologies for this!
Nevertheless, OaT releases won't be forgotten, and my sincere thanks for his superb efforts on a thoroughly enjoyable and expert release.
Cheers,
P
I'm going to get eaten alive for saying this, but I think the whole quitting due to not receiving thanks was a bit childish... He knew people liked his ROM, mostly by the number of people he knew downloaded his ROM... If he wanted to quit for personal reasons then whatever, that's all good, it's his life. Just, I don't really get the importance of a thank you button on a message board.
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Certain people just get a rush out of being able to show other devs how many "thanks" they have. It's the same as like-whores on facebook.
He wanted feedback on the ROM as well, not just thanks.
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He wanted feedback on the ROM as well, not just thanks.
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What bananagranola just said is the biggest reason the man pulled the ROM.... Just as most users here are too lazy to search before asking questions... they're too lazy to fulfill the development request for feedback so he can make the ROM that THEY like using better... and those same people whining about the links being pulled are the same ones that conveniently forget to remember that's why he pulled links... not for the THANKS but for THEIR lack of ability to provide a simple request
For anyone with several devices can see... this is happening all over xda... the devs are tiring of the leeches that download and then simply whine and complain when things aren't all roses with their devices
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cdzo72 said:
What bananagranola just said is the biggest reason the man pulled the ROM.... Just as most users here are too lazy to search before asking questions... they're too lazy to fulfill the development request for feedback so he can make the ROM that THEY like using better... and those same people whining about the links being pulled are the same ones that conveniently forget to remember that's why he pulled links... not for the THANKS but for THEIR lack of ability to provide a simple request
For anyone with several devices can see... this is happening all over xda... the devs are tiring of the leeches that download and then simply whine and complain when things aren't all roses with their devices
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I said my thanks, and never complained. I didn't provide much feedback, because to me, it just felt like complaining and I knew I didn't have that right. Oh well, water under the bridge now... RIP touchpad for now. These days remind me of when bumblebee stopped supporting lg v500. Development died for months and I ended up selling the thing due to it.
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If this thread turns into a big arguing pit, I'll close this too. Please keep your posts civil and don't start arguments.
Noellenchris
Is the TP on its last Android leg?
It doesn't bear discussion as to the "why" OaT took down the ROM. It was a personal decision made by an individual for whatever rationale he/she determined was in their best interest to have a happy life. I have to respect that if I want others to respect my discussion and decisions as well. Many thanks for the time and effort that OaT put forward, but I'm not sure where to go from here.
The TouchPad isn't going to move forward. It's a static technology that HP as a manufacturer isn't going to come back to. At least not in its current incarnation. HP is coming back to the tablet world - just not at this moment, and not with WebOS. If you read the news, HP will be back in this space with Win 8 and tablets in the future.
Tech doesn't stand still, and as people's interests change on a non-standard / open sourced product - it's lifecycle is only determined by the people able to move it forward, and the demand people are placing on a limited supply item.
Reading the writing on the walls, the HP TouchPad is reaching the end of its (Android) life - for better or worse. Now it's up to those of us who own the TouchPad to determine just how long to hang onto it before moving on. Do you settle on a latest release of CM9, or hope that someone pushes CM10 forward and gets audio, HD video and all the other bells and whistles to the point of CM9? (Let's just all assume the camera is the great white whale for devs.)
It's only after the death of an artist that the world mourns their contributions. With OaT dropping out - I don't know where to put my focus. I don't know which devs are still around working diligently on CM10 versus the crew working on CM9.
--McBean
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cdzo72 said:
What bananagranola just said is the biggest reason the man pulled the ROM.... Just as most users here are too lazy to search before asking questions... they're too lazy to fulfill the development request for feedback so he can make the ROM that THEY like using better... and those same people whining about the links being pulled are the same ones that conveniently forget to remember that's why he pulled links... not for the THANKS but for THEIR lack of ability to provide a simple request
For anyone with several devices can see... this is happening all over xda... the devs are tiring of the leeches that download and then simply whine and complain when things aren't all roses with their devices
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I'll try to make it official and clear here. The primary reason for me discontinuing development and pulling the links was the lack of feedback on the new Beats Audio in the new LnTBA. I don't have the hifi sound equipment to test that, and with 60 year old ears that are only able to hear middle range sounds, I'm not sure even if I did I would be able to tell if the new BA was an improvement or not.
The lack of feedback when specifically asked for, even initially when I asked for testers when I began to consider publishing the ROM, has been a real disappointment. In fact I initially expanded my testers list from ~20 to ~40 because of people asking me to 'please' let them test and 'promising' feedback. In the end I got at most a handful of thoughtful responses.
So in this last round where I requested feedback on LnTBA, I set the bar pretty low the day I posted it; I told myself if I only got 1 response when the download count reached 100 or more that would be enough, understanding that not everyone flashes as soon as they download. Ultimately there were ~250 downloads of LnTBA within ~24 hours of it being posted. Still, there was not one response, "none, zero, nada"!
In regards to the lack of folks hitting the "thanks" button, it should be obvious that if that were the real reason to discontinue development I would have stopped publishing the ROMs long ago.
Let me end on a somewhat positive note saying I do not know if or when I will restart publishing, after all the thread says "discontinued" and not for example "abandoned" in the CM sense. But rest assured development on my end for TPad is certainly still continuing. In fact I had the first bit of progress on sound for JB last night/today.
O.a.T. said:
Let me end on a somewhat positive note saying I do not know if or when I will restart publishing, after all the thread says "discontinued" and not for example "abandoned" in the CM sense. But rest assured development on my end for TPad is certainly still continuing. In fact I had the first bit of progress on sound for JB last night/today.
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OaT, that's awesome!
I do respect your decision to pull your ROMs due to lack of feedback. It goes back to something I say almost every day... If I don't know there's a problem, I can't fix it. I'm trying to get my 10 posts in so, hopefully, when/if you do make another release, I am able to provide input in the dev forum.
O.a.T. said:
I'll try to make it official and clear here. The primary reason for me discontinuing development and pulling the links was the lack of feedback on the new Beats Audio in the new LnTBA. I don't have the hifi sound equipment to test that, and with 60 year old ears that are only able to hear middle range sounds, I'm not sure even if I did I would be able to tell if the new BA was an improvement or not.
The lack of feedback when specifically asked for, even initially when I asked for testers when I began to consider publishing the ROM, has been a real disappointment. In fact I initially expanded my testers list from ~20 to ~40 because of people asking me to 'please' let them test and 'promising' feedback. In the end I got at most a handful of thoughtful responses.
So in this last round where I requested feedback on LnTBA, I set the bar pretty low the day I posted it; I told myself if I only got 1 response when the download count reached 100 or more that would be enough, understanding that not everyone flashes as soon as they download. Ultimately there were ~250 downloads of LnTBA within ~24 hours of it being posted. Still, there was not one response, "none, zero, nada"!
In regards to the lack of folks hitting the "thanks" button, it should be obvious that if that were the real reason to discontinue development I would have stopped publishing the ROMs long ago.
Let me end on a somewhat positive note saying I do not know if or when I will restart publishing, after all the thread says "discontinued" and not for example "abandoned" in the CM sense. But rest assured development on my end for TPad is certainly still continuing. In fact I had the first bit of progress on sound for JB last night/today.
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This is unbelievably great news. Many people like your Roms and have great experiances with them. As you said I don't flash right away. i dont have alot of time to play with my touchpad so when I get around to it, all the issues that I have seen are usually already posted. Plus I'm not a heavy user of so I dont see many of the issues.
As far as Beats Audio, I've only flashed it on my LG revolution and it made it worse. Otherwise if a Rom has it in it for the touchpad I haven't noticed. I also don't use audio that much. I'm basically explaining that I do like your ROMs but i think my feedback might not make an impact.
OaT the TP God
O.a.T. said:
I'll try to make it official and clear here. The primary reason for me discontinuing development and pulling the links was the lack of feedback on the new Beats Audio in the new LnTBA. I don't have the hifi sound equipment to test that, and with 60 year old ears that are only able to hear middle range sounds, I'm not sure even if I did I would be able to tell if the new BA was an improvement or not.
The lack of feedback when specifically asked for, even initially when I asked for testers when I began to consider publishing the ROM, has been a real disappointment. In fact I initially expanded my testers list from ~20 to ~40 because of people asking me to 'please' let them test and 'promising' feedback. In the end I got at most a handful of thoughtful responses.
So in this last round where I requested feedback on LnTBA, I set the bar pretty low the day I posted it; I told myself if I only got 1 response when the download count reached 100 or more that would be enough, understanding that not everyone flashes as soon as they download. Ultimately there were ~250 downloads of LnTBA within ~24 hours of it being posted. Still, there was not one response, "none, zero, nada"!
In regards to the lack of folks hitting the "thanks" button, it should be obvious that if that were the real reason to discontinue development I would have stopped publishing the ROMs long ago.
Let me end on a somewhat positive note saying I do not know if or when I will restart publishing, after all the thread says "discontinued" and not for example "abandoned" in the CM sense. But rest assured development on my end for TPad is certainly still continuing. In fact I had the first bit of progress on sound for JB last night/today.
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OaT,
I was out of town during that release (in Alaska, no internet), and I don't use BA at all, ever. I think it's a gimmick. I will say that your 829 build is amazing, and probably the best OS I have used on any tablet ever.
I don't agree with your decision to pull all your roms. It IS your decision, but I know hundreds of TP users out there (most probably lurkers that don't even post on XDA) have benefited from your superior roms, and it seems like helping people in the future (or even just currently) would be the "right" thing to do.
Thank you for:
A) Your roms
B) The explanation of your sudden disappearance
C) Giving us some hope for the future
D) Continuing your development
I can understand your frustrations about testers. Doing a bunch of work and not getting feedback can be a real drag. I'll try to be more vocal in the future. Hell, I'll start right now.
The 829 build is GREAT. The battery lasts forever. I have been getting occasional FCs here and there, in particular the holo launcher is DOA on this build. Apex works great (as usual), I don't really like GO launcher. I think it's kind of a mess. This is my daily driver now because the battery is so much better than the 819 JB build. Google Now voice input doesn't work at all for me (using OaT gapps 429). The rest of Google Now works great.
Feel free to let me know if you need more testing with something specific, but don't expect it too quickly. I'm married, new baby, play in a band, and have a full time IT job. I will get to it late at night on Thursdays or Sunday afternoon though, if I can.
Rhy
I for one am guilty as charged in the "no feedback" issue, my bad. I've used and enjoyed your roms and most definitely should have participated in helping squash the bugs. Sorry buddy. On another note though, the stupid rom is just so damn solid I really had nothing to say I would kinda feel like a whiner if I mentioned the occasional fc. I am still amazed that this old webos tablet can even run android, let alone run it well.
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ItsDon said:
I for one am guilty as charged in the "no feedback" issue, my bad. I've used and enjoyed your roms and most definitely should have participated in helping squash the bugs. Sorry buddy. On another note though, the stupid rom is just so damn solid I really had nothing to say I would kinda feel like a whiner if I mentioned the occasional fc. I am still amazed that this old webos tablet can even run android, let alone run it well.
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Have to echo ItsDon. I don't feedback much either because the thing works so damn well. Thanks again OaT.
OaT, your ROM is the best.
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As for me, I am a newb for xda, not a lurker, and couldn't post feedback on the dev section til I got the requirements done. Something like that.
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hanjosep said:
As for me, I am a newb for xda, not a lurker, and couldn't post feedback on the dev section til I got the requirements done. Something like that.
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I. for one, could not leave feedback because I didn't have enough posts. They should remove this requirement from the forum because I think many people can't leave feedback because of this requirement. Some people (including myself) don't like posting random comments to increase their posts and want to get to the point.
Regardless, thanks for everything you've done so far OaT.
Sad to see that on a weekend when I don't check up on OAT thread I miss out on an update. As far as beats feedback goes off the top of my head I ran with the beats build of 7/06 and 7/29. Before that I ran the standard version of 6/03. On a whim I switched over to the non beats version of 7/29 and never looked back. I believe I stuck to the standard version of 7/29 because overall audio clarity seemed to be better on the standard. Easiest way for me to say that is at equal volume the standard seemed louder? Again this was from memory, the testing was conducting in the best setting, and I wasn't trying that hard. In all honesty I think what I was trying to see if there would be a significant difference between the two and if there was I would keep my preferred version. Since I'm running the 7/29 non beats still I assume I found no significant difference. I would like to add that I found no difference even in webos with beats on or off.
This is too little too late, but this has been my personal experience. I used Audio Technica CKS77 iems. Thank you for all you have done OAT, your light n tasty philosophy was something I really appreciated when I was looking at roms and was what made pick your rom first. I never bothered to try the rest
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I. for one, could not leave feedback because I didn't have enough posts. They should remove this requirement from the forum because I think many people can't leave feedback because of this requirement. Some people (including myself) don't like posting random comments to increase their posts and want to get to the point.
Regardless, thanks for everything you've done so far OaT.
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I second that. And the "thanks" button does not show until you make your first post. I went crazy trying to find it.
It's just sad that I never cared for oat's roms until now that he disappeared. I also don't think it's fair that a small portion of people were able to download the latest build and others were not. In case someone has the latest build and it didn't break any rules and disrespect the developer then please share.
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For all to see and understand why I've stepped away from the Umeox x201.
Here's the problem. The broken and unsecure firmware affects every x201 Umeox makes. So it doesn't matter if it's a TS or a Callisto 100 or a Pearl AW-414/420/421. The firmware is broken on all of them. So it's not a TS issue, it a Umeox issue.
The unsecure status of the firmware is not a simple set ro.secure to 1 as it's already ro.secure=1. This is something completely different as even with that it still runs in an unsecured mode. Here's the thing, this has been an issue for over four months. If who ever is compiling the firmware can't fix this in four months, fire them.
Here's another example. The "EU 2100 working sensors" firmware I released was after ditching the Omate TS kernel and using one I was able to get my hands on from the Callisto 100. It is still not fixed in the official firmware and forces the end user to flash firmware to their device to get working sensors. Some of these folks have problems with even basic computer usage leaving it to independent devs to fix and provide technical support for a Umeox created problem with no direct access to the resources needed. At this time, iconBIT is the only one that even posts their firmware with at least partial change logs and makes it publicly accessible.
Now before the "different B2B partners require different setups" is said. All those changes are in the system partition. If anybody with a copy of SP Tool and two different firmware releases can can swap out the system partition images and make it flashable then there is no reason that Umeox can't do the same. You build one, maybe two, fully working base firmwares and have a system partition image with the needed changes for each of you B2B partners. This eliminates having to build a full firmware for every individual model for every B2B partner.
I'm burnt out from supporting ALL your B2B partners customers as well as KS backers, trying to fix broken firmware with little resources on top of trying to have a life with my family.
So it comes down to this. Umeox either needs to fix the problems they created or ditch there own firmware and replace it with properly supported, secure and working firmware or I will not be coming back. This doesn't apply to just the TS but all x201s being sold.
I will continue to update the [INFO] Everything for folks but as far as any active development on any x201 running broken Umeox firmware. I'm done.
Just for the record, I can understand your frustration (and I've just been following along the story, I still haven't even gotten my KS reward watch yet), and think you've gone above and beyond the call of duty on this one. That you've had to do it in your spare time, and acted as an intercessionary figure between the "manufacturers" (particularly Omate) and the public is an incredible act of generousity towards the end users, and I don't know about everyone else, but I appreciate it; it was one of the few bright lights shining in an increasingly murky and regret-tinged Kickstarter backing.
So thank you, Lokifish, for your hard work, and if I should ever meet you in person, first round's on me.
@Lokifish Marz
Mate - you are totally right and I support you.
You were here, buying devicesand fixing their faults...why?
You worked so they could relax?
All developers should stop everything related to Umex - I'm sure someone will finally react...
You/we could offer support and help but that's not our company and our obligation, especially if they totally ignore they obligation and don't offer any support...
Two years...yeah...my a*s
I still haven't got my device - early October devs edition (O.K that's Omate, but still) and when it finally arrive in may I should work "for them" - NO, ABSOLUTELY NO
Such thing like that what LLP said - to use custom ROM, and to said that to all who wants working device is ridiculous and wrong...
O.K for us backers, that's KS but some guys actually ordered and paid that watch in "store"...
O.K now I'm talking about Omate but I understand what you are saying and support you, actually I'm not supporting you, I beg you - stop with support - they must get what is their job and obligation.
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For all to see and understand why I've stepped away from the Umeox x201.
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Disappointed by your decision Lokifish but fully understand your reasons, haven't received my TS yet and so haven't really benefited from your work. But without the work you have done that device won't succeed, not sure it will succeed at all now unless Umeox take note and act on this.
Thanks again for the work you've put into this, and just to emphasize and echo your priorities; THERE'S NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN FAMILY.
Totally support you.
It's always a difficult decision whether withdrawing will force vendors to get their act together or redoubling efforts to engage will get results from vendors. You really can't know.
But you can make yourself happy, and that's what counts the most.
Thank You!
Lokifish Marz said:
For all to see and understand why I've stepped away from the Umeox x201.
Here's the problem. The broken and unsecure firmware affects every x201 Umeox makes. So it doesn't matter if it's a TS or a Callisto 100 or a Pearl AW-414/420/421. The firmware is broken on all of them. So it's not a TS issue, it a Umeox issue.
The unsecure status of the firmware is not a simple set ro.secure to 1 as it's already ro.secure=1. This is something completely different as even with that it still runs in an unsecured mode. Here's the thing, this has been an issue for over four months. If who ever is compiling the firmware can't fix this in four months, fire them.
Here's another example. The "EU 2100 working sensors" firmware I released was after ditching the Omate TS kernel and using one I was able to get my hands on from the Callisto 100. It is still not fixed in the official firmware and forces the end user to flash firmware to their device to get working sensors. Some of these folks have problems with even basic computer usage leaving it to independent devs to fix and provide technical support for a Umeox created problem with no direct access to the resources needed. At this time, iconBIT is the only one that even posts their firmware with at least partial change logs and makes it publicly accessible.
Now before the "different B2B partners require different setups" is said. All those changes are in the system partition. If anybody with a copy of SP Tool and two different firmware releases can can swap out the system partition images and make it flashable then there is no reason that Umeox can't do the same. You build one, maybe two, fully working base firmwares and have a system partition image with the needed changes for each of you B2B partners. This eliminates having to build a full firmware for every individual model for every B2B partner.
I'm burnt out from supporting ALL your B2B partners customers as well as KS backers, trying to fix broken firmware with little resources on top of trying to have a life with my family.
So it comes down to this. Umeox either needs to fix the problems they created or ditch there own firmware and replace it with properly supported, secure and working firmware or I will not be coming back. This doesn't apply to just the TS but all x201s being sold.
I will continue to update the [INFO] Everything for folks but as far as any active development on any x201 running broken Umeox firmware. I'm done.
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:good: Thank you sir for all you have done, even with all the BS from backers, OEM's & general support help requests. I hope someday they will just release all info on anything using Umeox.
I have just received my shipment from TS today & now read you are out, I wish you return someday.
Thanks for what you have done. Just got my TS the other day, so aside from the minor stuff I have figured out, not yet comfortable giving big time advice.
I do thank you for the patch & the root. Helps those out who do need it.
Good luck with your endeavors. Hopefully you will find what you are looking for. I am sure there will always be some of us here.
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:good: Thank you sir for all you have done, even with all the BS from backers, OEM's & general support help requests. I hope someday they will just release all info on anything using Umeox.
I have just received my shipment from TS today & now read you are out, I wish you return someday.
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They know what they need to do. It's a matter of will they do it and how long will they take. Til then I'm just a guy updating the info index thread and popping in from time to time.
I'm selling my watch to someone who has the patience. Loki you have been a great help to us all Thank you.
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This is an absolute travesty
But thank you for all you have done!
Sad to see you go before I even got my Omate. But as everyone else has said, I completely understand your reasons. Thanks so much for all your hard work
Thank you.
Thank you for all your work. Selfishly, I am very sad to see you leave the project, but support and understand your reasons. All the best with your baby girl.:good:
Thanks for all your work. Hope to see you back if they ever get sorted out.
Hi Locki, said to see you go but I am sure you will be back soon. Bin there, done that.
Some other company I will not mention did the same. Well, eventually they stopped production for 6 months due to well, uhmm, me making some phone calls and writing the detailed truth on forums. Got a personal call from EMEA production manager (which I didn't even knew) a few days later to solve this "problem". And we did. I am sure something like that will happen with you.
And if not, then OmateUmeox will soon be just another startup who failed big time and LLP will have a lot to think of.
But they are not stupid, money will soon be running out otherwise.
If we (Backers, supporters, owners of a Umeox/TS/Pearl whatever) want Locki back and want a good Firmware then it's up to US (as in WE) to make that happen. Locki's leaving is a big sign to LLP, Umeox and whoever is involved. And to us it's the same big sign.
Let's give back what Locki did for us and what Locki's intention still are. We all want a better product.
WE can make a difference. Let's get creative and find ways how we can convince Omate/LLP/Umeox that this is NOT how we want to continue.
WE made the TS by funding it. So WE have the power to do that too.
Thanks Lokifish, seriously. I don't have my TS yet, but I am relying on your patches and stuff to get it working properly when I do get it.
Thank you very much for your hard work, and though it's sad to see you go, I can totally see why it has happen. Take care and enjoy the time with your family =D
I am really greatful for all Locki's work, but now what? What can WE do? What's Laurent LePen plans? Where can I get any information about what's cooking?
I'm still providing low level support but deving has stopped. there is only so much that can be done with the current firmware. Until source code is obtained from MediaTek, do not expect to see any CM/AOSP/AOKP releases. At least for now folks on the patch or are properly rooted are safe. I know it's not perfect but please keep in mind the ROMs and MODs of any sort are a very rare thing on Mediatek powered devices.
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I'm still providing low level support but deving has stopped. there is only so much that can be done with the current firmware. Until source code is obtained from MediaTek, do not expect to see any CM/AOSP/AOKP releases. At least for now folks on the patch or are properly rooted are safe. I know it's not perfect but please keep in mind the ROMs and MODs of any sort are a very rare thing on Mediatek powered devices.
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thanks a lot,
I guess my lesson will unfortunatly be never buy a Mediatek device, never again. I got a nexus 4 with OmniROM on it, and I thought something similar could eventually be possible on my TS. Anyone knows where can I transmit my disappointement to Mediatek and let them know that for this prevoius reason, I will never their product again?
Please delete. The average xda user replying to this topic with their own opinion was not the goal of this thread. Since it seems replies are based off w/e their brains decided to pick out of my OP instead of processing the entire post. Besides I have achieved my goal, thanks.
I'm totally guessing right now, but I think Shelnutt2 is working on something behind the scenes. He's an Optimus G Sprint user, at least, and there are whispers and murmurs about a root method outside of the circle (jcase, autoprime, et al). GUESSING!
I also believe there IS a Sprint root in existence, but it's not public. I personally have resigned myself to just waiting. Hopefully by the end of the month, maybe a bit longer, I'd be surprised if nobody had anything within 30 days. That seems like a long time, but what can you do?
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Root will come. There are devs working to find a way to get it done. As with any new device, just takes time to find the loop hole. I know (Somehwere) on here, one is working on getting device and hoping (key word here) to release something by Mid august. In all honesty, Only a few reasons I personally want to root right now (Greenify/Titanium backup) other than that.. Stock is working quite well. Hang in there folks.. It'll happen in time.
Thanks for replying without reading my post.
Let's see...looks to me like they read your post as I did.
Root will come when it comes. And they'll charge if they want to.
Bounties don't work very well without having the phone.
There's at least 2 AWESOME Devs that have our phone and are working on getting us Root and Unlock.
Patience is a virtue.
Edit: Sorry..I don't want the above to be taken wrong. So here's some threads about bounties, root, unlock
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2776198
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/discussion-root-g3s-t2816060
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/bounty-lg-g3-d855bootloader-unlocking-t2807900
If you read through those threads, you'll see there's quite the discussion/debate over it all.
Also, We have a Dev team with and without our phone and they are all working on root/unlock. Here's the ones I know of in no particular order.
thecubed
autoprime
jcase - Sprint
Shelnutt2 - Sprint
fiddy619 - Sprint I think
They've all done root/unlocks in the past along with some other important items, like LG's EFS. You lose your EFS, be prepared for tons of work if you're lucky. And usually a Brick by the real definition of paperweight.
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If root is a must, you never want to buy the phone right at release. You will hardly ever have it rooted right out of the box. Just be happy that this isn't iOS and you have to wait months to see something.
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If root is a must, you never want to buy the phone right at release. You will hardly ever have it rooted right out of the box. Just be happy that this isn't iOS and you have to wait months to see something.
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The reason for root on this (and any device) really is that Google in its infinite wisdom locked apps out of the battery info service - https://plus.google.com/+SvenKnispel/posts/ReLvz6KJwG5. So now just to see what's draining the battery, you have to root the phone. The first two days of the G3, my battery was draining like crazy and I couldn't figure out why. It seems to have stabilized now. But even so every now or then it acts up. For me, this is the real big reason for getting the G3 rooted. Then of course, Xposed to get rid of the volume configuration in the notification drop down, TiB for freezing apps and Nandroid backups. I could live without the rest. It's just the checking of battery stats that's bugging me.
But between waiting on this phone and charging it more frequently, I'll do the latter No way I was waiting any longer than I absolutely had to for this beauty.
Hello everyone!
I didn't know where to really put this and the forums are still one of the places I feel most comfortable on the web.
In 2019 we did a far better job of covering more new PC hardware components than the previous year. Some of our reviews took longer than expected, but I stand behind my findings. Late in the year some personal matters required that I put the brakes on releasing new reviews. We ended the year with more reviews than before, but we still start 2020 with several reviews in the pipeline that were not completed last year.
In the past year we've taken your feedback. We understand not everyone is happy when a review doesn't come out the same day as the product releases. For those outlets this is their primary coverage. We work with what we can, and I'm very thankful that XDA continues to support the coverage as something beyond its primary coverage of Android and Android devices.. I do believe that our tests and reviews are both useful and necessary, no matter when they go live. Our continued focus on Linux serves an audience that even now still has very few in-depth reviews globally. Investigating situations that may be missed not only provides answers for questions that may be unanswered, but as I found out recently those lessons can still give answers years later.
I'm also very thankful for the XDA leadership and Portal team in their support and flexibility to continue this coverage while I am still dealing with some very serious personal matters. I wish at some point that I could explain just what is going on and how debilitating that can be at times. I suspect those who have gone through similar situations would understand. The only thing I can say is to please always take care of those around you. This goes beyond friends and family - think of the people you work or go to school with. How about the person you run into every morning? Everyone has their own life and not everyone may be having an easy go at it. Sometimes the hardest thing for us is to reach out for help. For others, that hardest thing may be offering help to others.
Try to help others when you can. When you need help, ask. You may find support in places you never expected. If you think something is going on that they may not be able to talk about, at least reach out and see if they may need help. Offer to be an ear or to even listen. They may not be able to tell you what's going on. They may not be able to take that assistance. But sometimes just knowing that there is support may do more than you see at the time. Donate not just to the big causes, think about how you can help others in your community. We're all trying to make our way through that journey that we call life.
I expect to resume writing again soon. Reviews where the tests have already been completed will be first up. Then we'll start with the reviews of components already here and ready to go into the test bench. I'm also looking into the possibility of resuming videos - something I stopped when I relocated in 2018. Most of the "behind the scenes" changes required for me to resume that was addressed last year. My biggest concern is honestly creating enough of a finished space so I don't have to set up and tear down between videos.
We've got even more planned for 2020 than we did the year before, so hope you'll stick around and continue reading our foray into something more than Android on XDA!
I'll review any hardware you ship to me!!!
I'll write a meticulous professional article informed by 30 years of reading hardware websites / BBSes.