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Just a bit curious, as a non-enterprise user do I need Knox protection enabled? What are the benefits(if any) and what could be the downside in terns of battery and performance after enabling it in Smart Manager?
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I am not able to tell you if you need it or not... but it does offer some protection as I was unable to root my phone (with Pingpong or what it's called) with Knox enabled. And do _NOT_ enable Knox after rooting!!! Instant bootloop and no other options than to do a factory reset from the recovery.
Martin5000 said:
I am not able to tell you if you need it or not... but it does offer some protection as I was unable to root my phone (with Pingpong or what it's called) with Knox enabled. And do _NOT_ enable Knox after rooting!!! Instant bootloop and no other options than to do a factory reset from the recovery.
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Yea it happened to me already, got that bootloop and used Smart Switch to initialize the system, that's why i'm curious now whether i really need it or not
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I have Verizon Samsung Galaxy S4 with 4.4.2. It has been rooted since I bought it at the end of May 2013. I re rooted many times to keep up with software updates. I used Kies 3 to flash back to default 4.4.2. I mean a complete nuke. I then flashed with towelroot and rebooted to see if the custom broken padlock was present at boot. The padlock was not present and no padlock icon present yay!!!. I installed SuperSu by chainfire and disabled knox as per SuperSu suggestion. I rebooted to check if custom flag had been tripped. The broken padlock was there god dammit.
SuperSu seems to have triggered knox or tripped the counter.
How do I maintain root and have the boot screen display everything is normal.
AND how do I get settings to display official instead of custom.
Please help as XDA and Google searches are not providing ansers.
You won't find a lot of info because most people would tell you if you don't want the custom padlock don't use custom software. You can use "Triangle Away" or the option in the Security Hacks section of the Wanam Xposed module.
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joshm.1219 said:
You won't find a lot of info because most people would tell you if you don't want the custom padlock don't use custom software. You can use "Triangle Away" or the option in the Security Hacks section of the Wanam Xposed module.
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Well. I looked at triangle away. It messes with the hardware startup code and I don't want to do that. So ill be fine for now. My phone is out of warranty so it's not a big deal and I have insurance on my pbone. I was only bothered because I like pretty visuals.
purplenate26 said:
I have Verizon Samsung Galaxy S4 with 4.4.2. It has been rooted since I bought it at the end of May 2013. I re rooted many times to keep up with software updates. I used Kies 3 to flash back to default 4.4.2. I mean a complete nuke. I then flashed with towelroot and rebooted to see if the custom broken padlock was present at boot. The padlock was not present and no padlock icon present yay!!!. I installed SuperSu by chainfire and disabled knox as per SuperSu suggestion. I rebooted to check if custom flag had been tripped. The broken padlock was there god dammit.
SuperSu seems to have triggered knox or tripped the counter.
How do I maintain root and have the boot screen display everything is normal.
AND how do I get settings to display official instead of custom.
Please help as XDA and Google searches are not providing ansers.
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Well, perhaps you could start with the sticky threads here?
One: Assuming that "triped" is just a typo for "tripped": No, that's wrong. First, the phrase "tripped Knox" is usually how people refer to something that sets the "Knox Warranty Void" flag. Installing SuperSU will not set the Warranty Void flag.
You're apparently seeing the "Custom" flag show up at boot, and claiming that's evidence that something "tripped Knox". That's wrong. That's been discussed in the sticky threads here and in the General forum. The "Custom" status means that your phone is no longer running stock.
If you care about the "Custom" flag, flash stock. It'll get cleared after a while. Or, run one of the several techniques to clear it (Triangle Away, Xposed framework, etc.)
The easy way to clear that flag is to flash a stock ROM. If you want to run non-stock, you'll need to live with it, or use one of the work-arounds. I use TA to clear Custom.
something i kinda want to add to this, SuperSU will actively disable knox upon installing it. There is absolutely no way you can trip Knox just with SuperSU. From what i can tell, Knox only gets tripped when you modify the kernel or boot stuff (recovery, etc.) and by that point you'd end up bricking a phone if you didnt have the MDK bootloader
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Hi,
I have been with AT&T for a long time. AT&T locks boot loader so there were limited options in rooting.
My understanding is that T-Mobile does not lock the boot loader. So the easiest way to root is to install TWRP using Odin and then use TWRP to flash SuperSU.apk. Is this correct? Does it trip KNOX?
Once installed, is there a way to uninstall it and revert back to full stock?
Thanks
redhonker said:
Hi,
I have been with AT&T for a long time. AT&T locks boot loader so there were limited options in rooting.
My understanding is that T-Mobile does not lock the boot loader. So the easiest way to root is to install TWRP using Odin and then use TWRP to flash SuperSU.apk. Is this correct? Does it trip KNOX?
Once installed, is there a way to uninstall it and revert back to full stock?
Thanks
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Same AT&T situation here. Yes you can root with twrp and supersu zip. It does trip Knox. If you factory reset and flash a stock Odin firmware that should revert to full stock
Hmm, tripping KNOX would need void warranty right? Is there an alternative to root? Thanks
redhonker said:
Hmm, tripping KNOX would need void warranty right? Is there an alternative to root? Thanks
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I've successfully brought in a device with a tripped Knox flag for warranty. I said Kies caused the problem (the word "lie" has such a negative connotation, but this was patently not true) and they were completely fine with that explanation, in fact they were tripping over themselves to make sure they could fix it for me. I guess that's my long-winded way of saying a tripped Knox flag doesn't prevent you from taking advantage of your warranty. Besides, I could swear I remember reading an article recently saying Samsung will now honor warranties even on devices where the Knox flag is tripped.
TLDR: A tripped Knox flag is no longer the black mark of death that it used to be
I started to think about rooting my g960f, it is a week year old device and the ads in apps annoys me so much. I will be using root to disable bixby through root uninstaller, if you have any other suggestions please tell. also I will be using mother of adblock, if you have any other suggestions please tell. I still have some questions.
- Is there any way to root the phone without custom recovery?
- will I be able to install system updates if I root the phone? if not how am I supposed to install them when the device is rooted?
- will it lose any of its features? if yes, which features?
- will I be able to go full stock again and gain all the lost features back?
I wont be installing custom rom as I already liked the stock rom but it needs some modification. I am sure that most of the people has the same questions in their minds so your answers would help many.
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- will I be able to install system updates if I root the phone? if not how am I supposed to install them when the device is rooted?
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As long as all you did was root the phone and did not change the OS to a custom one you should be able to get OTA updates. You should be able to install OTA updates normally, but you will loose the root install and have to do it again. Since OTA updates may patch any exploits a root install tool may use you might not be able to root the phone again (at least not until the root utility is updated to use a different method) after an update, so keep that in mind.
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- will it lose any of its features? if yes, which features?
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Once you root you might very well trip Knox. If Knox is tripped Samsung Pay, Secure folders is what I can find Google Searching and searching the forum here as what wouldn't work Samsung app wise. S-Health would also stop working, but I've read about potential ways to make S-health work again. I am not sure if those ways still work or not.
Other apps (financial, etc) may not work if the phone is rooted..
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- will I be able to go full stock again and gain all the lost features back?
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Sort of... Knox secure apps like S-health, Secure Folders, Samsung Pay will not work. Once you trip knox they will not work on the device ever again. This is because once knox is tripped it is tripped, it's a hardware e-fuse. You can not fix it nor reset it.
Other apps that just detected whether root is installed (or being used) should return to normal
thank you so much for the reply, lastly do you any suggestion for rooting? like the best way of doing it or use this guide and such.
Why root the device? You can use Adhell3 and block all the ads using knox itself
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thank you so much for the reply, lastly do you any suggestion for rooting? like the best way of doing it or use this guide and such.
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Personally I don't have a suggestion on a root method for your phone, but I do suggest you do some research on the subject. You can also look in the Galaxy S9 topic on XDA as that is the model you said you were using (G960F). In all honesty your gonna want to read up on what the process entails, what issues you might encounter and the risks involved... This is kind of a one way trip (metaphorically and essentially literally speaking) because if you trip knox (which you most likely will) you will void any warranty as well as permanently loose rather useful functionality on the phone (Samsung pay does come in handy IMHO). Not to mention root weakens the security of the phone and if your not careful you could (not saying you will, but could) run into a lot of problems.
Granted I am not saying you shouldn't root your phone but I am suggesting that in your case there is a more simpler method of doing what you want to do. Adhell3 was suggested and it's an app I use as well. Adhell3 will allow you to configure knox to do what you are seeking.. Knox can be configured to serve as a system wide ad blocking and it can be used as a way to disable apps on the phone (including bixby). There is more it can do, but I would suggest reading up on it (I can't give you all the answers, your gonna have to discover them also). Since your not trying to install an custom OS or changing cpu governors, cpu frequencies or anything Xposed related I would suggest looking into Adhell3 since that will do what you want without messing with Knox (or any potential issues with your phone from rooting). Also Adhell3 is not a permanent change to the phone, it can be fully removed, it doesn't weaken the security of the phone by allowing root access to the Android OS and file system on the phone and it will survive OTA updates.
Also if your looking to cut down on advertisements in applications I would suggest not installing as many.. Adblocking whether by hosts file or Adhell3 works by blocking the dns lookup of an advertisement. Both methods are not 100% perfect because if an advertisement comes from the same domain as where you are accessing (like facebook or Youtube sometimes do) then the advertisement will still be shown. Still to cut down on advertisements I would suggest going with Adhell3 over root.
- Is there any way to root the phone without custom recovery?
Nope, that means also that once you decice to flash custom recovery your knox will be triggered 0x1 in bootloader and it cant be reversed by flashing stock.
- will I be able to install system updates if I root the phone? if not how am I supposed to install them when the device is rooted?
Most devs here release latest build of their ROMs based on the latest security patches from official stock ROMs. You can just dirty flash the latest build over the previous one.
- will it lose any of its features? if yes, which features?
Samsung pay and secure folder. However you can try google pay as an alternative and you can use MagiskHide to make apps work even if the phone is rooted.
- will I be able to go full stock again and gain all the lost features back?
You can go back to stock, but you wont be able to use the features mentioned above. It's a one way irreversible process.
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- Is there any way to root the phone without custom recovery?
Nope, that means also that once you decice to flash custom recovery your knox will be triggered 0x1 in bootloader and it cant be reversed by flashing stock.
- will I be able to install system updates if I root the phone? if not how am I supposed to install them when the device is rooted?
Most devs here release latest build of their ROMs based on the latest security patches from official stock ROMs. You can just dirty flash the latest build over the previous one.
- will it lose any of its features? if yes, which features?
Samsung pay and secure folder. However you can try google pay as an alternative and you can use MagiskHide to make apps work even if the phone is rooted.
- will I be able to go full stock again and gain all the lost features back?
You can go back to stock, but you wont be able to use the features mentioned above. It's a one way irreversible process.
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Remember to include Xprivacylua to inhibit apps from seeing what apps you have installed. Have helped me out using bank apps as well
I have the latest version G930PVPSACSF1 on several Sprint S7. I bought these from a company that upgraded but they forgot to unenroll them from knox and it wont work for me to reach out and ask their IT dept to unenroll them.
My understanding is that if I trip knox, they wont enroll in Knox and be locked down to the enterprise restrictions. Is that correct?
I got a root file that enables adb on them and allows me to remove frp for this version G930PVPSACSF1. After I flash the file with Odin the screen gives that "Custom" flash on boot screen, and then when it reboots adb is enabled and I can use tools to remove frp just fine. However, after that the phone reboots alot. So after I that I reflash the new stock firmware to get it stable. But once they are stable and not rebooting, they enroll in knox. Apparently the root file I have (if it is indeed a root file- all I know is that it enables adb on frp locked devices) does not trip knox. If tripping knox prevents the device from enrolling in knox then I would love to know how. Thanks
I have a Smasung S9 Plus SM-g965F with Exynos on android 10, I would need to get root but I would like to avoid to install TWRP recovery, can I do it with the stock recovery?
Thanks.
light767 said:
I have a Smasung S9 Plus SM-g965F with Exynos on android 10, I would need to get root but I would like to avoid to install TWRP recovery, can I do it with the stock recovery?
Thanks.
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you can't use stock recovery you will need twrp
If you want to install magisk without twrp use the patch method
I have tried kingroot with no success it get stuck at 1%.
If I use magisk by patching the stock rom, then when an official samsung update comes out I can do it automatically as always?
By the way how can I check if the bootloader of my phone is unlocked ?
light767 said:
I have tried kingroot with no success it get stuck at 1%.
If I use magisk by patching the stock rom, then when an official samsung update comes out I can do it automatically as always?
By the way how can I check if the bootloader of my phone is unlocked ?
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In develop section check to see if unlock option is there.
Download mode will tell you OEM state as well as KG/RMM state
If you modify your phone you won't get updates. Have to do manually.
Be aware rooting you phone will trip your knox. Won't be able to use knox related functions like secure folder,samsung pass, shealth etc.
spawnlives said:
In develop section check to see if unlock option is there.
Download mode will tell you OEM state as well as KG/RMM state
If you modify your phone you won't get updates. Have to do manually.
Be aware rooting you phone will trip your knox. Won't be able to use knox related functions like secure folder,samsung pass, shealth etc.
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ACtually I need root to try to recover some files on the internal memory with some data recovery programs...after that I don't need root anymore so maybe I could go back to full stock?
light767 said:
ACtually I need root to try to recover some files on the internal memory with some data recovery programs...after that I don't need root anymore so maybe I could go back to full stock?
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Once your modified phone knox will be tripped even when flash firmware again. There is no fix for a tripped knox.
If trying to recover lost files then using the patched method with magisk is a better option then using twrp.
I don't have much experience with recovering lost files as i have not had the need for it but i would try some non root methods first before rooting.
If you decide to root your phone you can unroot by magisk or flashing stock firmware.
Always backup your phone before doing anything.
Sadly all these program (one of the most famous is Dr. Fone) that go scanning the memory for deleted files need the privileges of root so I think that without rooting the phone it's not possible to do it anyway if I would lost the knox securty by rooting I'm not that happy too
"You may try looking into Extreme Syndicate root. It's used on the Snapdragon variants to root with a locked bootloader, so it doesn't trip Knox. I don't know if it will work on Exynos, but worth a look."
Editing doesn't work right on my phone. This won't work.