Hello folks, i gave my friend my old buddy, now on note 3, but oldie doesnt boot, tried change firwares cm.. stock based ones, and even flash through odin stock firmware. it shuts down on samsung logo, sometimes it boots fully but shuts down after couple of seconds? is it hardware problem? or what?
Fulfen said:
Hello folks, i gave my friend my old buddy, now on note 3, but oldie doesnt boot, tried change firwares cm.. stock based ones, and even flash through odin stock firmware. it shuts down on samsung logo, sometimes it boots fully but shuts down after couple of seconds? is it hardware problem? or what?
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Try a different battery
noppy22 said:
Try a different battery
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but download mode doesnt crash. dont restart or shutdown, but when install stock rom through odin the same
Fulfen said:
but download mode doesnt crash. dont restart or shutdown, but when install stock rom through odin the same
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maybe someone give me a stock rom with bootloader and everything to flash via odin?
Also after some work download mode says, low battery cant download. and battery voltage 4.07 V, also it displays 100% when plug in charger
Fulfen said:
maybe someone give me a stock rom with bootloader and everything to flash via odin?
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Check the link below u might find one there
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s2/general/guide-t2345831
Sun90 said:
Check the link below u might find one there
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s2/general/guide-t2345831
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thx for the link, flashed all the right firmware files, also reflashed stock pit file 16 GB, still nothing just download mode... the main thing that apeared i cant go to download mode without cable it says low batter, with cable i can...
it's the battery...try changing it, might work
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So today I was running my Galaxy 2 like any other regular phone. I had pulled it out of my pocket and was listening to some music whilst playing some game that I recently downloaded from the Android Market. Before I started playing it I recall my battery was at 18%.
Then all of a sudden.
My screen turned off.
I thought hmm. Maybe it just turned off. Attempted to turn it back on. Nothing.
I started to worry.
So I tried to boot my device in download mode or recovery mode.
Nothing
Even more worringly I attempted to charge my phone to see if the charging thing would pop up.
Nothing at all.
So I'm wondering if my GalaxyS2 has died?
At the time I was running CM7.1 Nightly 81 with Siyahs 2.0 beta 6.
any chance of claiming it on warranty as they can't check the actual phone for flashes, or a possible solution?
Hey, sounds ugly.
Did you leave the phone plugged in for some time? because I think the phone needs some juice, when it was down to zero battery, before it will show anything on the screen.
For your warranty, You know I would first try everything to get it back by yourself and if nothing is going to work then I would guess the sammy guys can't do much either. So if you send it back then and you get a new one be happy, if not yeah you know hope that it will not cost too much. Good luck dude.
Try to pull out the battery and put it back in and plug in the charger and let it be for som time.
Well **** me sideways....
On the way back home from the vendor to get the charger my phone turned on.
Like... What the actual hell???
Its currently charging in my USB.
I just tried flashing an old backup I had and that didn't work for some strange reason.
I'm going to try and flash a stock rom from the USB and see what happens. Not willing to turn it off though.
giga502 said:
Well **** me sideways....
On the way back home from the vendor to get the charger my phone turned on.
Like... What the actual hell???
Its currently charging in my USB.
I just tried flashing an old backup I had and that didn't work for some strange reason.
I'm going to try and flash a stock rom from the USB and see what happens. Not willing to turn it off though.
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Ah great news....is it still on ?
But I would recommend using stock for a while to see if this problem comes up again.
But as you are using a CM nightly that might be the reason for the problem.
brunobanane said:
Ah great news....is it still on ?
But I would recommend using stock for a while to see if this problem comes up again.
But as you are using a CM nightly that might be the reason for the problem.
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Well. I'm trying to flash a stock rom.
But whenever I go to the recovery menu some error pops up
can't access to system csc kor system
and it gives me a very limited recovery menu...
hmmm
giga502 said:
Well. I'm trying to flash a stock rom.
But whenever I go to the recovery menu some error pops up
What has the recovery menu got to do with flashing a stock rom ???
can't access to system csc kor system
Why
and it gives me a very limited recovery menu...
Its a non CWM recovery then probably 3e Samsung Recovery .
CWM or recovery is not used to flash stock rom .
jje
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JJEgan said:
giga502 said:
Well. I'm trying to flash a stock rom.
But whenever I go to the recovery menu some error pops up
What has the recovery menu got to do with flashing a stock rom ???
can't access to system csc kor system
Why
and it gives me a very limited recovery menu...
Its a non CWM recovery then probably 3e Samsung Recovery .
CWM or recovery is not used to flash stock rom .
jje
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ahh yes that is the one. Thankyou!
I'm now using Odin to flash litnin rom 6.1
if I can get into download mode....
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after i root my phone i cant access my phone its frozen on with this triangle icon and samsung logo. please help i tried everything from rebooting to removing my battery
virusgandu said:
after i root my phone i cant access my phone its frozen on with this triangle icon and samsung logo. please help i tried everything from rebooting to removing my battery
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Any more details?
Such as exact phone model (GT-I9100/T/M/...), firmware version (ROM/PDA/kernel), what rooting method have you used, etc.
If you can boot into download mode (Volume Down + Home + Power), then you can flash another kernel (such as CF-Root) with Odin to your phone.
Good luck !
GT-I9100 thats the only thing i know. i cant even open the phone only (Volume Down + Home + Power) is working i tried that but is not working. i used kernel method i tried almost ever thing but nothing works. im from asia
virusgandu said:
GT-I9100 thats the only thing i know. i cant even open the phone only (Volume Down + Home + Power) is working i tried that but is not working. i used kernel method i tried almost ever thing but nothing works. im from asia
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That happened to me. Make sure you do the volume down+ home+ power right to enter the download mode, then flash the CF or Siyah kernel with Odin v1.7 (not v1.85).
See if it boots from there. You may need to flash some firmware (PDA) with Odin once you see it boots.
Good luck
Thanks man its working now
help me please, frozen sgs2 after rooting
antonio1475 said:
That happened to me. Make sure you do the volume down+ home+ power right to enter the download mode, then flash the CF or Siyah kernel with Odin v1.7 (not v1.85).
See if it boots from there. You may need to flash some firmware (PDA) with Odin once you see it boots.
Good luck
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Hi!
Please help me...i got the same problem...i rooted my sgs2 and now is frozen...i tried with odin 1.7 but nothing happened...im from venezuela
i download cf-root, odin 3 v.1,85(the first time), my kernel is 3.0.15 UH...(i guess)
maybe the kernel was the problem...i dont know
i had ICS too...
are there any chance i can "unroot" my phone? i tried to wipe,but nothing...indeed, i opened recovery mode, i wipe all and i read Error mounting sd card...
i hope you can help me...sorry for my English
Please help me
lnzmrtn said:
Hi!
Please help me...i got the same problem...i rooted my sgs2 and now is frozen...i tried with odin 1.7 but nothing happened...im from venezuela
i download cf-root, odin 3 v.1,85(the first time), my kernel is 3.0.15 UH...(i guess)
maybe the kernel was the problem...i dont know
i had ICS too...
are there any chance i can "unroot" my phone? i tried to wipe,but nothing...indeed, i opened recovery mode, i wipe all and i read Error mounting sd card...
i hope you can help me...sorry for my English
Please help me
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"Nothing happened" is not useful. Let me know the exact error and how is your phone working right now (booting, not booting...)
what Kernel did you flash?
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Hey... i have the same problem as the first guy.
Next i tried the odin 1.7 but nothing it's allways the same.
plz help me as soon as you can.
monkeytribute said:
Hey... i have the same problem as the first guy.
Next i tried the odin 1.7 but nothing it's allways the same.
plz help me as soon as you can.
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Let's go slow.
You managed to flash something via ODIN? Or it failed?
Since you rooted it (same as first guy), I guess it flashed so Odin detects the phone and is able to flash, right?
Explain the exact problem. What are you trying to flash?
Try downloading Siyah kernel for Odin, or Dream kernel for Odin to flash it and make it boot. If not, download an official firmware and try.
Anyway, reply the 2 bold questions.
antonio1475 said:
Let's go slow.
You managed to flash something via ODIN? Or it failed?
Since you rooted it (same as first guy), I guess it flashed so Odin detects the phone and is able to flash, right?
Explain the exact problem. What are you trying to flash?
Try downloading Siyah kernel for Odin, or Dream kernel for Odin to flash it and make it boot. If not, download an official firmware and try.
Anyway, reply the 2 bold questions.
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odin detects the phone and flash it but when i start the phone i just get the triangle and galaxy s II.
because i want ics.
monkeytribute said:
odin detects the phone and flash it but when i start the phone i just get the triangle and galaxy s II.
because i want ics.
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Ok, if it flashes, it's good.
If you have a i9100 (not a i9100G or whatever), flash this http://buildenv.dream-irc.com/android/?nav=display&file=63 via Odin and boot.
i have gt-9100
monkeytribute said:
i have gt-9100
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Then follow my previous post
antonio1475 said:
Then follow my previous post
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i made it but i get the icon of dreamer and that's it nothing else
monkeytribute said:
i made it but i get the icon of dreamer and that's it nothing else
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May I ask what did you do to root before it froze?
It's weird, but at least it flashes, so you still can flash an stock firmware to get back your phone.
Maybe this one (4.0.3 so you stay away from emmc harrd-brick bug and don't blame me in case it bricked) http://www.hotfile.com/dl/161662205/363dea0/I9100UHLPS_I9100AROLP4_ARO.zip.html
Good luck
what else can i do?
By the way, now that you have Dream kernel, try booting in recovery (turn it off, then volume up + home + power hold until it gets on, then release power until you get to recovery)
HELP! After rooting, I can't access my phone
I rooted my samsung s2 i1900g and followed the steps accordingly, I tried to install the jellybean rom, I thought I had succeeded cause it said so. But when it automatically rebooted after the installation, I can't access my menu anymore, it just freezes on the Samsung Galaxy S2 and the yellow triangle with the exclamation point inside it :crying: Please help me.. Your help will be much appreciated. Thank you. God bless.
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I rooted my samsung s2 i1900g and followed the steps accordingly, I tried to install the jellybean rom, I thought I had succeeded cause it said so. But when it automatically rebooted after the installation, I can't access my menu anymore, it just freezes on the Samsung Galaxy S2 and the yellow triangle with the exclamation point inside it :crying: Please help me.. Your help will be much appreciated. Thank you. God bless.
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You didn't mess up with a i9100 ROM instead of i9100G ROM or kernel for rooting, did you?
When did it freeze. After rooting (you made sure it booted afterwards?) or after Jelly Bean installation?
please i need help.. i tried to install an operating syestem thru odin..
but it failed and now cannot go into download or recovery mode..
even the usb jig can do nothing... what should i do? please.. thanks.. any suggestion will do a lot.. thanks..
xriel said:
please i need help.. i tried to install an operating syestem thru odin..
but it failed and now cannot go into download or recovery mode..
even the usb jig can do nothing... what should i do? please.. thanks.. any suggestion will do a lot.. thanks..
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1. Is there any sign of life in your phone?
2. What "Operating System" were you trying to flash via Odin?
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII
xriel said:
please i need help.. i tried to install an operating syestem thru odin..
but it failed and now cannot go into download or recovery mode..
even the usb jig can do nothing... what should i do? please.. thanks.. any suggestion will do a lot.. thanks..
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By "Operating System" i'll take it you simply mean "ROM"?
What model of SGS2 do you have and what "ROM" did you attempt to flash?
Did you get any errors in Odin?
Did you pull out your USB early?
Did your battery die?
Have you tried plugging charger in and leaving it for a few hours or overnight?
Are you SURE you cant get into download or recovery?
If you really cant get into download/recovery you have screwed your device by not following instructions correctly, flashing incorrect rom, flashing while battery is low or some other stupid thing. Your only option is to send away for JTAG fix or mobo replacement or if its in warranty send it to Samsung and play dumb, just say you "Left it charging overnight and wouldn't turn on next day".
Jokesy said:
1. Is there any sign of life in your phone?
2. What "Operating System" were you trying to flash via Odin?
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII
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yes there is an icon and a computer link like when i power on my phone or even use the jig..
sorry i think i didnt check the usb debugging mode when i use the odin.. oh.. big problem.. its an ics rom..
now im trying to download os that can be installed thru odin.. but i think my main problem here is the debugging mode..
thanks for the quick response..
TheATHEiST said:
By "Operating System" i'll take it you simply mean "ROM"?
What model of SGS2 do you have and what "ROM" did you attempt to flash?
Did you get any errors in Odin?
Did you pull out your USB early?
Did your battery die?
Have you tried plugging charger in and leaving it for a few hours or overnight?
Are you SURE you cant get into download or recovery?
If you really cant get into download/recovery you have screwed your device by not following instructions correctly, flashing incorrect rom, flashing while battery is low or some other stupid thing. Your only option is to send away for JTAG fix or mobo replacement or if its in warranty send it to Samsung and play dumb, just say you "Left it charging overnight and wouldn't turn on next day".
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yes your right.. i play things i didnt understand.. i already flash that rom before and got no errors.. but now then it says failed.. so i pull out the cable and boom, from there i cannot go into download or recovery mode.. just an icon of phone link to a computer..
xriel said:
yes there is an icon and a computer link like when i power on my phone or even use the jig..
sorry i think i didnt check the usb debugging mode when i use the odin.. oh.. big problem.. its an ics rom..
now im trying to download os that can be installed thru odin.. but i think my main problem here is the debugging mode..
thanks for the quick response..
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No. Your main problem is:
1. You are in a hurry to spoil your phone.
2. You don't like asking questions before taking risks
Try this:
-remove your battery for about 10 minutes
-then try to charge the phone
-If your phone shows the battery icon while charging, then there is hope.
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII
Jokesy said:
No. Your main problem is:
1. You are in a hurry to spoil your phone.
2. You don't like asking questions before taking risks
Try this:
-remove your battery for about 10 minutes
-then try to charge the phone
-If your phone shows the battery icon while charging, then there is hope.
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII
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ok thanks a lot.. ill do that right away..
no luck.. when i plug in my phone it s still showing phone icon on the left, exclamation mark with yellow triangle in the middle and computer icon on the right..
xriel said:
no luck.. when i plug in my phone it s still showing phone icon on the left, exclamation mark with yellow triangle in the middle and computer icon on the right..
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use wall charger to charge your phone. While charging, does your phone light up? Do you see Samsung logo?
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII
Jokesy said:
use wall charger to charge your phone. While charging, does your phone light up? Do you see Samsung logo?
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII
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sir i flashed an insecure kernel and it responded.. now im in bootloop but still a good thing than before.. its a kk2 by chaninfire..
i tried the jig and it work.. now i think i have to flashed a rom via odin to make it work.. any idea sir what rom is flashable via odin?
i tried the speedwiz but the guide is very confusing.. hope to have a one flashed rom via odin on pda only.. is that possible? thanks a lot..
xriel said:
sir i flashed an insecure kernel and it responded.. now im in bootloop but still a good thing than before.. its a kk2 by chaninfire..
i tried the jig and it work.. now i think i have to flashed a rom via odin to make it work.. any idea sir what rom is flashable via odin?
i tried the speedwiz but the guide is very confusing.. hope to have a one flashed rom via odin on pda only.. is that possible? thanks a lot..
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Lucky you.
What's your firmware version? ICS or gingerbread?
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII
Here's the link to faryaab's stock ics ROM flash able via Odin.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1544487
Simply download and follow instructions on the op n u will surely get going..
Hit the thanks button if my post was of any help to u..
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
iiiadoableiii said:
Here's the link to faryaab's stock ics ROM flash able via Odin.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1544487
Simply download and follow instructions on the op n u will surely get going..
Hit the thanks button if my post was of any help to u..
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
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thanks a lot.. really appreciate the help... downloading...
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Lucky you.
What's your firmware version? ICS or gingerbread?
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII
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im on gingerbread as i need to root it first.. didnt know the insecure kernel before..
hope it will be successful.. simultaneously downloading resurrection remix..
thanks again for the info and for the time..
xriel said:
sir i flashed an insecure kernel and it responded.. now im in bootloop but still a good thing than before.. its a kk2 by chaninfire..
i tried the jig and it work.. now i think i have to flashed a rom via odin to make it work.. any idea sir what rom is flashable via odin?
i tried the speedwiz but the guide is very confusing.. hope to have a one flashed rom via odin on pda only.. is that possible? thanks a lot..
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lol, So you could get into download mode.
All you need to do is flash Siyah kernel, wipe data etc and then flash your desired rom via recovery.
So basically i tried to flash cm10.1 but i didnt wipe so it didnt turn on. I tried to get into recovery but that doesnt work so i tried to flash stock drom via odin but it gets stuck on NAND WRITE START. I tried differrnt phones everything i searched the forums but cant find a solution that works for me. If i boot the phone i only get the first screen for half a sec then black then half sec again... Its a 16gb s3 international from Netherlands.
hhamzah49 said:
So basically i tried to flash cm10.1 but i didnt wipe so it didnt turn on. I tried to get into recovery but that doesnt work so i tried to flash stock drom via odin but it gets stuck on NAND WRITE START. I tried differrnt phones everything i searched the forums but cant find a solution that works for me. If i boot the phone i only get the first screen for half a sec then black then half sec again... Its a 16gb s3 international from Netherlands.
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can you get into download mode?
how did you flash CM10.1? what did you select in Odin?
chrismast said:
can you get into download mode?
how did you flash CM10.1? what did you select in Odin?
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I can get in dowbload mode i flashes via cwm i rooted the device and verything but then when i try to flas via odin i select f reset and auto reboot but it doesnt work already tried re partitoon with a pit.
hhamzah49 said:
I can get in dowbload mode i flashes via cwm i rooted the device and verything but then when i try to flas via odin i select f reset and auto reboot but it doesnt work already tried re partitoon with a pit.
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Maybe the re-partition is the issue but I got no experience in that area.
Yep probably another one broke the PIT ..
requires a service centre or flashing firmware like .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1796062
JJEgan said:
Yep probably another one broke the PIT ..
requires a service centre or flashing firmware like .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1796062
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Can you please explain? i download my pit from my phone, how can I view this? And what should i do now, im downloading the 3-part firmware from that thread!
Hi made a video about what i do, maybe i do something wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQpzTGz_gkY
Couldn't this be SDS?
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
Hey guys i searched alot and got the fix, i saw a pit file names 100% in it (not sure the name deleted it) and it helped could flash and now i got cm10.1 and im happy ?
Hi,
My S2 was working perfectly and I put it on charge. About 15mins later I walked past and noticed it was displaying just the very first screen ie the one you see as soon as it starts and says Galaxy S2. Tried all the usual things like removing battery etc. I thought I might have a corrupted ROM so I have re-flashed it with Odin and whilst that was successful it is still at the same screen. I flashed it with the Australian XSA ROM. I can get it into flash mode but nothing else.
Anyone have any further thoughts?
JohnYW
JohnYW said:
Hi,
My S2 was working perfectly and I put it on charge. About 15mins later I walked past and noticed it was displaying just the very first screen ie the one you see as soon as it starts and says Galaxy S2. Tried all the usual things like removing battery etc. I thought I might have a corrupted ROM so I have re-flashed it with Odin and whilst that was successful it is still at the same screen. I flashed it with the Australian XSA ROM. I can get it into flash mode but nothing else.
Anyone have any further thoughts?
JohnYW
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Try going to stock recovery and doing a factory reset
noppy22 said:
Try going to stock recovery and doing a factory reset
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OK thanks for the quick reply. Tried to get there but what happens is the android appears with his whirling blue bit....then it goes to black and the samsung galaxy s 2 screen again appears and thats where it stays. The only mode it will go into is the flash rom mode. In other words vol up plus power and home buttons does the above whereas vol down plus home and power gets me successfully to the rom flash screen.
John
JohnYW said:
OK thanks for the quick reply. Tried to get there but what happens is the android appears with his whirling blue bit....then it goes to black and the samsung galaxy s 2 screen again appears and thats where it stays. The only mode it will go into is the flash rom mode. In other words vol up plus power and home buttons does the above whereas vol down plus home and power gets me successfully to the rom flash screen.
John
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The only other thing I can think of is to flash a .tar recovery from download mode(vol down+home+power).
Try the modified kernel from philz HERE You will need to match the kernel to the rom version, read carefully particularly the 2nd and 3rd posts
Just untick reboot on finish in odin and once you succesfully flash the kernel try to enter recovery from power off. Good luck
Another question
noppy22 said:
The only other thing I can think of is to flash a .tar recovery from download mode(vol down+home+power).
Try the modified kernel from philz HERE You will need to match the kernel to the rom version, read carefully particularly the 2nd and 3rd posts
Just untick reboot on finish in odin and once you succesfully flash the kernel try to enter recovery from power off. Good luck
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Just getting back to it ....Thanks for that and all makes sense ...but maybe its a dumb question but how do I determine what Kernel I need ...I can't boot the phone up to get any of that information....the only thing I see on the inside cover is the Model - GT-I9100 and an SSN (whatever that is) of -I9100GSMH. Any other clues?
John
JohnYW said:
Just getting back to it ....Thanks for that and all makes sense ...but maybe its a dumb question but how do I determine what Kernel I need ...I can't boot the phone up to get any of that information....the only thing I see on the inside cover is the Model - GT-I9100 and an SSN (whatever that is) of -I9100GSMH. Any other clues?
John
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Do you still have the stock rom file that you used with odin? If not you might be able to identify the rom from the website you got it from.
noppy22 said:
Do you still have the stock rom file that you used with odin? If not you might be able to identify the rom from the website you got it from.
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Yes ...I do but again, when I repalced the ROM I didnt know which of the files to try (SamMobile)...the phone originally had an Optus ROM on it before all this happened soI couldnt readily identify which of the 4 files I found were correct to use so in the end I thought I would load the XSA file ...which had the latest date.... hoping that would work....so thats what I went with.... it was I9100XWLSH ...ahh now the penny has dropped... I need the XWLSH Kernel dont I ...butwhat does fixed for bootloop mean? Sorry if these are dumb questions but thanks for your patience
John
JohnYW said:
Yes ...I do but again, when I repalced the ROM I didnt know which of the files to try (SamMobile)...the phone originally had an Optus ROM on it before all this happened soI couldnt readily identify which of the 4 files I found were correct to use so in the end I thought I would load the XSA file ...which had the latest date.... hoping that would work....so thats what I went with.... it was I9100XWLSH ...ahh now the penny has dropped... I need the XWLSH Kernel dont I ...butwhat does fixed for bootloop mean? Sorry if these are dumb questions but thanks for your patience
John
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Yes, thats the kernel you need. Just get the .tar version of the kernel and flash in download mode(vol down, home, power). I'm hoping you can get a working recovery to give you a few more options. It may not work, as I suspect you have filesystem corruptions or something, but try that anyway
OK ...will try that in a few days ...again, thanks for the help
John