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With all of this going down recently about Rooted users being cracked upon, I want to make sure my next phone does not require root in order to improve it significantly. (Unlike my Fascinate which is a great phone, only after the developers have worked on issues).
How is the unrooted TB experience?
I didn't root my TB for about 3 days and I came from a rooted DX. It feels faster and smoother than a DX with the OE rom over clocked and is just as snappy as the blur-less rom i was running also. I was pleasantly surprised by the out of the box experienced of the TB and I am an ASOP experienced fan.
I was in no rush to root my phone. I only did it out of habit and was curious. I loved my phone when I first got it. Obviously rooting made me love it more but still a great experience. Nothing was broken or slow. Smoothest screen transition I've seen on a phone. I don't even mind HTC Sense (still prefer ASOP, but miles better than TouchWiz and Blur).
Mine is rooted and I don't think it's currently needed. The ROMs that are currently out aren't the coolest (meaning bug free and full featured) IMO. I did it for the freedom when a really good ROM/kernel is out.
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I don't even mind HTC Sense (still prefer ASOP, but miles better than TouchWiz and Blur).
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I agree, even the gingerbread Blur isn't as good as this. I my self noticed that the Bloated up OEM rom was just as fast for me as the De-bloats also
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Is there a "crack down"??? Seems to be business as usual.
To me....ThunderBolt is a beast with or without root. I ran it for a week before I rooted it and I though everything I had it and could NOT make it stall.
Tip of the hat to HTC and Verizon (for LTE) for this device in my hands. Best Android experience I have EVER had... I have had them ALL!!
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Yeah the new snapdragon is smooth as silk. Gameing isnt bad eather. Htc phones always seem the most stable!
I agree with everyone above. I came from a DX overclocked @ 1.36ghz and this thing immediately felt faster than my X. I rooted it because I wanted to be ready for the Rubix releases since that's what I was running on the X. Can't say I'm disappointed at all in that decision. Rooted or unrooted the thing is still a beast. The extra 256 megs of ram over the X and the next Gen snapdragon really make the difference. And a decent gpu doesn't hurt the mix either.
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The thunderbolt is a great phone un rooted. Faster than a stock Droid x and a tad faster than an oc'd and rom'd dx.
I rooted my thunderbolt because its mine and I hate clutter.
If Verizon would not pack the phones full of junk I probably wouldn't root.
The HTC skins allow the user to get their themes. The launchers give you the feel. The bolt is a good stock phone.
I like plain and simple, functional fast and stable is the best reason to root.
I tan rubix on my dx and running drod and b16 boLTEd now.
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I'm loving my un-rooted stock 3G Thunderbolt... it's miles ahead of my last device. I think my head will explode with root and 4G.
My phone is stock I'm gonna wait and see how 2.3 ota goes before I root. I upgraded from eris and this phone is 1000 times faster than that so I am perfect waiting.
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Chadashcroft22 said:
My phone is stock I'm gonna wait and see how 2.3 ota goes before I root. I upgraded from eris and this phone is 1000 times faster than that so I am perfect waiting.
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I've had the Original I-Phone since the day it came out so I just wanted to upgrade. So, I finally did it when "The next big Deal" happened. So, Now I have my Thunderbolt, unrooted and happy with my decision. It's been 4 years since I got a new phone. I think I was due...
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My phone is stock I'm gonna wait and see how 2.3 ota goes before I root. I upgraded from eris and this phone is 1000 times faster than that so I am perfect waiting.
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Or... You can root it and have that OTA when it leaks out 2 weeks before they push it.
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Thunderbolt being my first Android phone, I have nothing to compare it to. It kicked ass the day I got it, and it kicks even more ass rooted.
I really don't think there is a critical need to root. I really cant tell the difference between the two in speed except maybe in quadrant scores. Unrooted phone is very fast and smooth.
Eddog4DROID said:
With all of this going down recently about Rooted users being cracked upon, I want to make sure my next phone does not require root in order to improve it significantly. (Unlike my Fascinate which is a great phone, only after the developers have worked on issues).
How is the unrooted TB experience?
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Root is different than flashing a ROM... There are no rules against rooting, those companies are just trying to stop non-approved software on their networks (even though those rumors are just that, rumors).
Root and freezing apps can't be tracked anyway....
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So what's the overall verdict from those of you who are OBJECTIVE about your Thunderbolts? I.E., don't tell me about the personal preference things you like or dislike but overall thoughts on the device itself.
I'm currently using a Galaxy S (Vibrant) that I've had from it's original release date. Other than the crap GPS, I love the device. However, with AT&T's impending takeover of T-Mobile, staying simply isn't an option. Sprint has limited coverage (I travel quite a bit) so that makes Verizon my default option. I don't mind Verizon, and I've had a non-contract MiFi for over a year, it's just price that always pushed me away. Anyway, being a current customer with my MiFi I'm always getting those random spam mail offers via snail mail and the most recent is get a Thunderbolt $249 and unlimited mobile hotspot through May 15th.
I wasn't considering the Thunderbolt until seeing "Unlimited Mobile Hotspot". I currently use close to all 5GB's on my MiFi monthly along with another 3-4 on my Vibrant so data is a HUGE deal to me. I basically have a mobile office so I can eat up some data. Personally, I was holding out for a Dual Core with 768+ MB's of RAM but this definitely entices me. I don't live in an area with LTE, but it's coming, and with the future of mobile data pricing being unknown, I find myself wondering if I should "lock in" prices/features before the market becomes flooded with LTE devices.
Thoughts? Opinions?
My biggest beefs with my Vibrant are:
GPS
Battery Life (SAMOLED makes up for it and I can get 2 days out of a charge if I need to). I view most battery life issues as non-issues. People find themselves with a combo of bloatware and using crap apps that suck the life out of their phones
Lag, even on custom ROM's from time to time
No Camera Flash
How's the speaker phone?
How's Bluetooth strength? Can you stick the TBolt in your pocket and have a conversation without your headset crackling?
More importantly, how accurate is the GPS?
ilogik said:
I really don't think there is a critical need to root. I really cant tell the difference between the two in speed except maybe in quadrant scores. Unrooted phone is very fast and smooth.
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App options mainly. There are plenty of really cool applications that require root access.
The "Crack down" does not exist. It is a bullsh*t lie that some troll posted on here and caused everyone to panic. Root the SOB and enjoy.
Okay, so I signed up for a T-Mobile contract here in the UK the other day, and the free phone on the contract was going to be a Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo. I didn't want this, so I bought a used HTC HD2, and planned to sell the Neo in brand new condition.
But I got a call from T-Mobile today telling me that the Neo has been discontinued, and that they could offer me a Motorola Atrix instead for the same price.
So basically, the HD2 arrives tomorrow, and the Atrix arrives on Monday, but I'm not sure which to keep. I was looking forward to trying out WP7 on the HD2, along with various different Android versions, and being able to compare them all. But at the same time, the Atrix gives me a faster CPU and GPU, more RAM, more internal storage, a higher resolution (but smaller) display, and other cool things. 4G doesn't make a difference since I don't think there are any 4G networks in the UK right now.
Anyway, how easy is it to root and flash custom ROMs with the Atrix (UK version, just called the Atrix instead of the Atrix 4G, if that makes a difference)? I'd quite like to just run a version of Gingerbread as close to stock as possible, because Moto Blur doesn't look great. Also, are there Sense ROMs for the Atrix?
What would you pick - the more flexible HD2 with the slightly larger screen (I love typing on my dad's Galaxy SII, one of the reasons I went for the HD2) or the faster and newer Atrix?
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As much as I respect and favor the HD2 (and HTC in general), I would have to go with the Atrix. Rooting the Atrix is pretty simple. See here: http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-root-motorola-atrix-4g-on-android-2-3-4-hktw/ . It's still your decision on which device you want. If you still want to experiment, then go with the HD2. If you want a faster device (like for gaming purposes [although the HD2 does play games pretty well]), then go for the Atrix.
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As much as I respect and favor the HD2 (and HTC in general), I would have to go with the Atrix. Rooting the Atrix is pretty simple. See here: http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-root-motorola-atrix-4g-on-android-2-3-4-hktw/ . It's still your decision on which device you want. If you still want to experiment, then go with the HD2. If you want a faster device (like for gaming purposes [although the HD2 does play games pretty well]), then go for the Atrix.
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Hm, it's proving a really difficult decision to make. Of course, I could just sell both the phones and buy something else.
Are there decent ROMs available for the Atrix which provide a more stock Android experience? Also, does it matter that it's not the US AT&T Atrix 4G and rather the UK/European Atrix model? Not sure if that makes a difference with this phone.
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It does matter if it's the USA/UK version for roms. It's said that all roms made for the UK Orange Atrix can work for the UK T-mobile one. You could try this rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242721 .
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It does matter if it's the USA/UK version for roms. It's said that all roms made for the UK Orange Atrix can work for the UK T-mobile one. You could try this rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242721 .
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Oh man, sometimes Android development seems so complicated. It took my a lot of reading to understand everything I needed to know about my G1. Seeing as I've got to make a fairly prompt decision, is there any chance you could summarise it a bit? I know the information will be available elsewhere on the forums but I don't have much time to read it.
What I'm really looking for is a fairly unmodified version of Gingerbread, with pretty much everything working (doubt I'll use the fingerprint scanner though LOL). But I want WiFi, 3G, GPS, the camera, etc. working. The dock functions aren't a biggie either.
Anyway, is there a simple, fairly basic ROM out there that would work for my UK version? Because I found this for the HD2 and I thought it looked awesome.
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I don't know of any like that for the Atrix. The HD2 has far more roms than the Atrix, with many more customizations, etc. Looks like this could make your choice easier .
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I don't know of any like that for the Atrix. The HD2 has far more roms than the Atrix, with many more customizations, etc. Looks like this could make your choice easier .
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Hm. I should be getting the HD2 tomorrow, and since it's already used I won't have an issue with opening it up and playing around with it over the weekend. So I guess I can form an opinion over the weekend about that, and if I decide that I'd have no use for the extra features of the Atrix, I can sell it once it arrives.
What about this though? Not sure if it would be AT&T only.
EDIT: Wait, that's not actually Gingerbread. Damn.
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Hm. I should be getting the HD2 tomorrow, and since it's already used I won't have an issue with opening it up and playing around with it over the weekend. So I guess I can form an opinion over the weekend about that, and if I decide that I'd have no use for the extra features of the Atrix, I can sell it once it arrives.
What about this though? Not sure if it would be AT&T only.
EDIT: Wait, that's not actually Gingerbread. Damn.
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I got an HD2 used last week for an amazing price. I wanted to try out WP7's Mango release but not lose my data plan by putting my SIM into an AT&T branded device (which happened once and I got fixed).
WP7 works VERY well on the HD2, with the exceptions of extremely poor battery life and that WP7 hijacks the SD card and renders it unusable for other future uses. There is an app that can be sideloaded that will release the SD card though.
Anyway, I played with WP7 for bit and fell in love with it. I couldn't handle the short battery life (tried all of the tricks), so I freed up my SD card and installed CM7's latest Gingerbread 2.3.6. It works fantastically, and with decent battery life.
Where I'm going with this? The HD2 is not an AT&T device. If you have a TMO HD2 and want to unlock it for use on AT&T, you will not be able to use 3G. The two carriers operate on different UMTS bandwidths. That's a bummer.
So, keep that in mind about the HD2. If you don't get a model (non TMOU-US) that has the right 3G bands, you'll miss out on high speed data.
I'm in the process of putting HD2 up for sale and am going to try to get my hands on an ATRIX that I can root and tether with at 4G speeds.
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CM7's latest Gingerbread 2.3.6.
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Gingerbread 2.3.6 is not the latest.
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Gingerbread 2.3.6 is not the latest.
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I didn't say that it was, I said that it was CM7's latest. I did just find a 2.3.7 though, but can't seem to find any CM7 that's higher than that. Am I looking the wrong areas?
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I didn't say that it was, I said that it was CM7's latest. I did just find a 2.3.7 though, but can't seem to find any CM7 that's higher than that. Am I looking the wrong areas?
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See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933951 .
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I got an HD2 used last week for an amazing price. I wanted to try out WP7's Mango release but not lose my data plan by putting my SIM into an AT&T branded device (which happened once and I got fixed).
WP7 works VERY well on the HD2, with the exceptions of extremely poor battery life and that WP7 hijacks the SD card and renders it unusable for other future uses. There is an app that can be sideloaded that will release the SD card though.
Anyway, I played with WP7 for bit and fell in love with it. I couldn't handle the short battery life (tried all of the tricks), so I freed up my SD card and installed CM7's latest Gingerbread 2.3.6. It works fantastically, and with decent battery life.
Where I'm going with this? The HD2 is not an AT&T device. If you have a TMO HD2 and want to unlock it for use on AT&T, you will not be able to use 3G. The two carriers operate on different UMTS bandwidths. That's a bummer.
So, keep that in mind about the HD2. If you don't get a model (non TMOU-US) that has the right 3G bands, you'll miss out on high speed data.
I'm in the process of putting HD2 up for sale and am going to try to get my hands on an ATRIX that I can root and tether with at 4G speeds.
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I think it's a bit different over here in terms of which 3G bandwidths are used etc. but I'm not sure entirely. If the HD2 doesn't work on 3G then I'll have to find another phone.
I've received it now, anyway. So far it seems awesome - the hardware is excellent, the OS is not, but that will be changed soon enough.
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I think it's a bit different over here in terms of which 3G bandwidths are used etc. but I'm not sure entirely. If the HD2 doesn't work on 3G then I'll have to find another phone.
I've received it now, anyway. So far it seems awesome - the hardware is excellent, the OS is not, but that will be changed soon enough.
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Well, whenever you are ready to change it, you could check out this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11215136&postcount=8 or this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11215136#post11215136 .
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Well, whenever you are ready to change it, you could check out this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11215136&postcount=8 or this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11215136#post11215136 .
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Oh, I was ready to change it from the very beginning.
Currently running this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
Right now I'm just in the process of changing the boot animation and splash screen to suit my liking. Trying to go for a plain white screen with the green HTC text in the middle all the way through.
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Oh, I was ready to change it from the very beginning.
Currently running this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
Right now I'm just in the process of changing the boot animation and splash screen to suit my liking. Trying to go for a plain white screen with the green HTC text in the middle all the way through.
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Great . So did you make your decision on which to keep so that this thread can be solved?
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Great . So did you make your decision on which to keep so that this thread can be solved?
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Yeah - I'm going to keep the HD2 and sell the Atrix to get more money. Do I need to click somewhere to mark the thread as resolved or is that somebody else's job?
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Yeah - I'm going to keep the HD2 and sell the Atrix to get more money. Do I need to click somewhere to mark the thread as resolved or is that somebody else's job?
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Mods can do it, but you could also do it (the normal member way). Just edit your title by placing the word "SOLVED" (in caps) in front of the title.
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Mods can do it, but you could also do it (the normal member way). Just edit your title by placing the word "SOLVED" (in caps) in front of the title.
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Done. Thanks for your help.
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Done. Thanks for your help.
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No problem .
I have just ordered my first smartphone, a new unlocked AT&T Motorola Atrix 4G MB860 from Ebay to be used on Cincinnati Bells network. It has Android 2.2 installed on it now. I have found all kinds of information about updating to Gingerbread directly from the phone when I first use it, but thats where i get lost.
My Questions:
1. Given the fact there is no data saved to get lost should I update it to ICS or JB now?
2. Is there a need to upgrade past Gingerbread?
3. To do the upgrade I have read about com10 and all kinds of ROMs, EXACTLY what do I need to upload (given no mods are on the phone).
4. Is there a post that is pretty much "upgrading for dummys"?
I figured if i need to upgrade now is the time so I dont get used to one OS and then have to relearn another because this one stops being supported (like the Iphone 3G).
Given that this is your first smartphone, it would probably be best that you just use it as is for a while and NOT TOUCH ANYTHING until you get VERY familiar with all the options and terminology. Who knows, you might just get to like it the way it is. Not sure why you want to tamper with it already but it sounds like you are sure to be on your way to disaster with your current level of experience.
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Given that this is your first smartphone, it would probably be best that you just use it as is for a while and NOT TOUCH ANYTHING until you get VERY familiar with all the options and terminology. Who knows, you might just get to like it the way it is. Not sure why you want to tamper with it already but it sounds like you are sure to be on your way to disaster with your current level of experience.
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Its not that I want to tamper with it (infact i would rather not). Thats why I was asking the questions in advance so I dont find myself with an overpriced Frisbee. I have had the "old guy" flip phones for years but its time to get into the21st century.
I was just given an Iphone 3g locked to AT&T. I unlocked and jailbroke it but soon found that all the apps I wanted were out for ios5 not for mine. I bought an unlocked Samsing Focus S windows 7.5 phone on Ebay and LOVED, LOVED, LOVED it. With Cincinnati Bell though, half of the features wouldnt work. After talking to everyone but Bill Gates himself, I contacted the seller and they have offered me this Atrix 4G in exchange. I just Want to make sure Im not getting myself back into the 3G scenario again where nothing will download to it due to having an outdated OS.
It all depends on exactly what apps you want/need. Most apps should work on older phones too (no matter what OS or brand), I'm kinda starting to suspect you are mostly after very new stuff. It is true that Froyo is now considered outdated (heck, even Gingerbread is just barely hanging in there), and I suppose you can try updating through "official channels" (either OTA or a downloadable official firmware), I would just suggest you don't go the modding route until you're familiar with the territory. I'm not saying it's difficult or complicated, I'm just saying you have to know it.
Also, I'm not sure why you call this "your first smartphone" when it's quite clear that you've had plenty others...
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Its not that I want to tamper with it (infact i would rather not). Thats why I was asking the questions in advance so I dont find myself with an overpriced Frisbee. I have had the "old guy" flip phones for years but its time to get into the21st century.
I was just given an Iphone 3g locked to AT&T. I unlocked and jailbroke it but soon found that all the apps I wanted were out for ios5 not for mine. I bought an unlocked Samsing Focus S windows 7.5 phone on Ebay and LOVED, LOVED, LOVED it. With Cincinnati Bell though, half of the features wouldnt work. After talking to everyone but Bill Gates himself, I contacted the seller and they have offered me this Atrix 4G in exchange. I just Want to make sure Im not getting myself back into the 3G scenario again where nothing will download to it due to having an outdated OS.
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That's less of an Android problem because of the fragmentation (probably the only good thing about fragmentation). I think around 40% of all Android phones are still on gingerbread, so developers aren't about to abandon all those users for their apps. The majority of apps work with gingerbread and you won't have a problem. The only app I have that is only for 4.0+ is Nova Launcher which can easily be replaced by one of the many other launchers that are compatible with GB.
Definitely just stay on GB for a while and use it however you want. If you start running into app compatibility for some reason, then you can look into roms. But I highly doubt that will be the reason you want a 4.0+ rom. After a full year on gingerbread I finally tried a custom rom. There is no rush at all to start changing things because it can brick your device really easily. Stay with stock everything and only think about messing with more advanced things once you actually require it.
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Definitely just stay on GB for a while and use it however you want.
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He said he's on 2.2 (Froyo) now, not GB.
OP, if I were you I'd probably go ahead and upgrade it to GB by the official OTA update process and try it out for a while till you get more familiar with it as ravilov mentioned. But that's just my opinion.
Thank you folks. Now I have a better understanding of the support of android. I think Ill do the GB
The apps. in question..... Weather, facebook, calendar ...... As far as the first smart phone.... I have had smart phone service since tuesday of last week and have not been able to use either of the devices. I couldnt even send or receive pics on the windows phone. So I was told this would work with my network. this will be the first smart phone useable out of 3 in the last week.
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It all depends on exactly what apps you want/need. Most apps should work on older phones too (no matter what OS or brand), I'm kinda starting to suspect you are mostly after very new stuff. It is true that Froyo is now considered outdated (heck, even Gingerbread is just barely hanging in there), and I suppose you can try updating through "official channels" (either OTA or a downloadable official firmware), I would just suggest you don't go the modding route until you're familiar with the territory. I'm not saying it's difficult or complicated, I'm just saying you have to know it.
Also, I'm not sure why you call this "your first smartphone" when it's quite clear that you've had plenty others...
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Doesn't the newest official AT&T firmware overwrite your bootloader making it impossible to tamper with it later on? Correct me if I'm wrong, since I might be mistaken. (I unlocked it the second I got my phone and haven't looked twice at any official firmware since then)
@ OP: I don't know you, so I don't know how computer literate you might be, but if you feel like up to the task, I would recommend unlocking the bootloader AND then staying on the official firmware (through the use of fruitcakes or Blur based ROMs), so you can get used to everything with as few bugs/quirks as possible. If you later decide to upgrade to more up to date firmware, then you'll have that option as well.
IF you're not very good with computers and other gadgets, then I would suggest you just leave it be and stay on the official firmware. But to make this choice, you need to be honest with yourself as to whether you're capable or not of doing it. How to use custom software on your phone isn't some well guarded secret or anything particularly complicated, it just requires for the user to do A LOT of reading so they understand exactly what they're doing, otherwise it's a recipe for disaster.
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Doesn't the newest official AT&T firmware overwrite your bootloader making it impossible to tamper with it later on? Correct me if I'm wrong, since I might be mistaken. (I unlocked it the second I got my phone and haven't looked twice at any official firmware since then)
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It is uncertain really. There are some indications that the bootloader in .145 is not really changed compared to the .141, but I guess the safest thing for the OP to do is to update to .141 if possible. I've also never had anything to do with official updates so I don't really know how it goes. This phone got rooted pretty much as soon as I got it and unlocked and flashed only days later.
@OP,
You certainly have a very strange and uncommon definition of "my first smartphone". Like, this Atrix that I'm holding right now is totally my first smartphone in the last hour... :angel:
BTW, a smartphone is not defined by "a phone with the smartphone service", in fact in most countries (mine included) such a concept doesn't even exist.
Also, all of the apps you mentioned should work perfectly on Froyo or at least on Gingerbread.
I have an AT&T HTC One arriving shortly as a new customer on AT&T. I understand I have 14 days to try it out, so I want to make sure I put it to a full test. This will be my first HTC device since the Windows Mobile days, so I have a few questions to ask before starting to use my phone. I am not entirely for sure, but I will probably end up rooting and using custom roms, but probably not until the 14 days are over. With that in mind, here are my questions:
1) Should I unlock the bootloader right away? I understand that doing so erases everything on my phone, but it should not cause any problems if I decide to return the phone, right?
2) If I decide to root after the 14 days are up, I do not have to wipe the phone again, do I?
3) If I decide to use a custom rom, do I understand correctly that I will indeed have to wipe the phone again (but not the /sd card contents???) Meaning, my pictures/videos and all that will remain, but I will have to wipe the system?
4) My area does not yet have LTE (coming later this summer), so is there a way for me to turn it off to save on battery, or do I even need to attempt this?
5) I've been using an iPhone 5 since launch and it is still scratch-free without using a case. I'd prefer not to use a case with the One as well, and I only have my phone in my pocket. Is it reasonable to expect that my One will hold up as well as the iPhone 5 in this area?
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions,
Travis
1.yes,but it will show tampered in the bootloader but att employees don't usually check so as long as you flash the ruu before you return you should be fine
2.yes, you do because unlocking the bootloader causes the phone to wipe
3.yes, it is recommended to wipe only system and data but not your sdcard
4.if you don't have it in your area then you don't even need to mess with it
5.yes, because I've been using my phone for a while now with no case and everything looks fine but sometimes I do put my case on when I'm clummsy.
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1.yes,but it will show tampered in the bootloader but att employees don't usually check so as long as you flash the ruu before you return you should be fine
2.yes, you do because unlocking the bootloader causes the phone to wipe
3.yes, it is recommended to wipe only system and data but not your sdcard
4.if you don't have it in your area then you don't even need to mess with it
5.yes, because I've been using my phone for a while now with no case and everything looks fine but sometimes I do put my case on when I'm clummsy.
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Regarding #2, are you saying that if I am already bootloader unlocked and then decide to root at a later time, I *will* have to completely wipe the phone again? Or is it just the initial bootloader unlock that requires the full wipe?
i seriously doubt you will be returning this phone before the 14 days. especially if your coming from the iphone 5. this is the only phone that rivals the build quality of iphones. i have had mine since the release for tmobile and not one scratch on it. my girl has the iphone 5 and imo it cant touch this phone.
if apple and android had a baby it would be the htc one.
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Regarding #2, are you saying that if I am already bootloader unlocked and then decide to root at a later time, I *will* have to completely wipe the phone again? Or is it just the initial bootloader unlock that requires the full wipe?
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No just the initial bootloader unlock unless you decide to change Roms
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Well that's exactly what I'm looking for.
I go back and forth between iOS and Android on a yearly basis, it seems. I've had the iPhone 5 since launch on Verizon, and I just returned the Samsung GS4 because it was very laggy and was locking up at least once per day. I'm going to try the HTC One on AT&T (even though the One has just been confirmed for Verizon later this summer) because I am tired of Verizon's policies. I'm tired of them taking longer than anyone else to get phones. I'm tired of their "customizations" like the persistent WIFI notification on the GS4 that no other carrier has. I'm tired of their locked bootloaders and locked down CDMA network. I'm sure AT&T will have its share of frustrations, but LTE is coming in my area this summer and I'm looking to try something different. I'm keeping my Verizon line for now since I have unlimited data on it, but I'm thinking the 5GB plan on AT&T will be more than enough (and I get a 25% discount through my employer).
Thanks for the help, guys.
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Well that's exactly what I'm looking for.
I go back and forth between iOS and Android on a yearly basis, it seems. I've had the iPhone 5 since launch on Verizon, and I just returned the Samsung GS4 because it was very laggy and was locking up at least once per day. I'm going to try the HTC One on AT&T (even though the One has just been confirmed for Verizon later this summer) because I am tired of Verizon's policies. I'm tired of them taking longer than anyone else to get phones. I'm tired of their "customizations" like the persistent WIFI notification on the GS4 that no other carrier has. I'm tired of their locked bootloaders and locked down CDMA network. I'm sure AT&T will have its share of frustrations, but LTE is coming in my area this summer and I'm looking to try something different. I'm keeping my Verizon line for now since I have unlimited data on it, but I'm thinking the 5GB plan on AT&T will be more than enough (and I get a 25% discount through my employer).
Thanks for the help, guys.
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this phone doesnt lag. probably the closes thing to the smoothness of ios. and yea dont get that cdma garbage from verizon at&t,tmo or developer version is the way to go as far as custom rom options at least for now. if you want more in depth info check out mike1986. review of the phone. he has only done the first part of the review but he is a developer over on the international thread for this phone.
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this phone doesnt lag. probably the closes thing to the smoothness of ios. and yea dont get that cdma garbage from verizon at&t,tmo or developer version is the way to go as far as custom rom options at least for now. if you want more in depth info check out mike1986. review of the phone. he has only done the first part of the review but he is a developer over on the international thread for this phone.
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Thanks for the reassurance. The lag on the GS4 was unbearable and even worse than I expected given my previous experience with the GS3 a year ago. Even after turning off every S-feature I could find, enabling the developer options and changing the animations, and disabling as much bloatware as I could, the phone still lagged when scrolling and just felt unresponsive at times.
If I really like it, I don't know how long I'll hold onto my Unlimited Data plan on Verizon. On AT&T, I understand that unlimited data users are throttled after 5GB anyway, right? I think 5GB will be plenty, as I normally hover in the 3-4GB range on Verizon each month (and that's with a good deal of music streaming and Youtube watching). I guess if I go over once in a while, I can afford the $10 for an extra gig now and then.
My only concerns right now are battery life and the buttons. I've seen mixed reports on battery life - some saying it is abysmal, others saying it's actually very good. I'm keeping my expectations tempered as I've just been using two of the better phones in this area (iPhone 5 and GS4). I'm not expecting battery life to be as good as those, but if it can last my through my 8 hours of work (no WIFI there), then I'll be okay.
The buttons, I'm sure I'll get used to. But I'm definitely looking forward to the 4.2.2 update that allows for the long press of Home for Menu, right? Will this also give you the option to get rid of the Menu bar that appears below non-standard apps that don't conform to Google's specs?
For those who are still engaged with the conversation, I have a few more specific questions about customizing if you don't mind... Since this is my first HTC Android device, there are some terms and methods I am not familiar with. I've used the Galaxy Nexus and the GS3 in the past and was able to understand enough to unlock the bootloaders and install custom roms on those devices. However, when reading about the HTC One, there are some things I do not yet understand:
1) I understand that the AT&T, T-Mobile, and International versions are basically identical hardware-wise, right?
2) What is CID, Hboot, and RUU? I don't remember having to deal with any of those terms with the Nexus and GS3. All I understand about the HTC One so far is that I need to unlock the bootloader at HTC's website. I'm sure I can also follow the instructions to root the device. Installing recoveries and custom roms is where things start to get a little foggy for me with this device.
3) I'm probably going to want to stick with a stock rom of some type because I am actually looking forward to some of the HTC features (especially with the camera). If the "Android Experience" rom still has some of the custom software for the camera, etc, then I might be interested in that. Otherwise, I just want to be rooted at 4.2.2 with a debloated device running as smoothly and as stable as possible.
Thanks!
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For those who are still engaged with the conversation, I have a few more specific questions about customizing if you don't mind... Since this is my first HTC Android device, there are some terms and methods I am not familiar with. I've used the Galaxy Nexus and the GS3 in the past and was able to understand enough to unlock the bootloaders and install custom roms on those devices. However, when reading about the HTC One, there are some things I do not yet understand:
1) I understand that the AT&T, T-Mobile, and International versions are basically identical hardware-wise, right?
2) What is CID, Hboot, and RUU? I don't remember having to deal with any of those terms with the Nexus and GS3. All I understand about the HTC One so far is that I need to unlock the bootloader at HTC's website. I'm sure I can also follow the instructions to root the device. Installing recoveries and custom roms is where things start to get a little foggy for me with this device.
3) I'm probably going to want to stick with a stock rom of some type because I am actually looking forward to some of the HTC features (especially with the camera). If the "Android Experience" rom still has some of the custom software for the camera, etc, then I might be interested in that. Otherwise, I just want to be rooted at 4.2.2 with a debloated device running as smoothly and as stable as possible.
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1- yes pretty much the same
2- cid is your phone id which tells you what ruu you need. ruu is the stock rom your phone came with. hboot you really dont need to worry about until we get s-off
3- all the custom sense roms include all the htc features so no worries there
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and btw with the battery life when i first got my htc one battery life was average at best but after a few battery cycles it improved.
first week probably averaged about 10-12 hrs with 6hrs on data with the rest wifi
second week 15-20 hrs with 6 hrs data
after that it pretty much leveled out and i average around 30 hrs 6 hrs on data and anywhere from 4-7 hrs screen time and all data is lte i dont turn data to 4g or 3g to save battery. so the first 7-10 days you might be cutting it close to get through the day on a single charge. a lot depends on signal strength though. i think most of those bad battery threads were from people who just got the phone and battery wasnt good at first. might also be because of stock rom. i flashed a custom sense rom the first day i got the phone
Ok, I got my HTC One today and so far I am loving it! However, I am disappointed to see that there is a persistent notification for "Power Saver". Argh, on the GS4 there was a persistent notification for WIFI (on Verizon), and now this one. What is it with these guys and their non-removable persistent notifications? I guess they think people are that stupid (and maybe most are on), but there should at least be an option to turn it off.
So from what I'm reading, the only thing I can do is to force close it each time, or to root my device and install a mod? Really?
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Ok, I got my HTC One today and so far I am loving it! However, I am disappointed to see that there is a persistent notification for "Power Saver". Argh, on the GS4 there was a persistent notification for WIFI (on Verizon), and now this one. What is it with these guys and their non-removable persistent notifications? I guess they think people are that stupid (and maybe most are on), but there should at least be an option to turn it off.
So from what I'm reading, the only thing I can do is to force close it each time, or to root my device and install a mod? Really?
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yea pretty much but not really an issue for me because i never intended to stay stock
oh and btw s-off has just been released in the international forum so you might want to keep an eye over there. with that you will be able to go back to complete stock without any trace of unlocking and rooting
hows the smoothness for you? i know your an iphone guy and i would like to hear your feedback
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yea pretty much but not really an issue for me because i never intended to stay stock
oh and btw s-off has just been released in the international forum so you might want to keep an eye over there. with that you will be able to go back to complete stock without any trace of unlocking and rooting
hows the smoothness for you? i know your an iphone guy and i would like to hear your feedback
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Yeah, I'm not too worried about the notification either because I will eventually root and rom... not for a while though.
I am in love with the design of the phone, to be an honest. I feel it tops my iPhone in almost every way in terms of hardware. The iPhone is still more smooth, but I think it's more a matter of Apple prioritizing the touch response and animations over everything else. The One is definitely more smooth than the GS4, though, and I noticed that right away. The Facebook app still stutters, but I think that's just Facebook's fault... it stutters if you scroll before everything has loaded.
I've set up Nova launcher with a shortcut to Blinkfeed (which I actually like). Disappointed that I can't use the HTC widgets in Nova, but I'm finding replacements. Charging the battery now (which I read takes longer than average), and tonight at work will be my first "real" test with the phone.
Thanks for replying.
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Yeah, I'm not too worried about the notification either because I will eventually root and rom... not for a while though.
I am in love with the design of the phone, to be an honest. I feel it tops my iPhone in almost every way in terms of hardware. The iPhone is still more smooth, but I think it's more a matter of Apple prioritizing the touch response and animations over everything else. The One is definitely more smooth than the GS4, though, and I noticed that right away. The Facebook app still stutters, but I think that's just Facebook's fault... it stutters if you scroll before everything has loaded.
I've set up Nova launcher with a shortcut to Blinkfeed (which I actually like). Disappointed that I can't use the HTC widgets in Nova, but I'm finding replacements. Charging the battery now (which I read takes longer than average), and tonight at work will be my first "real" test with the phone.
Thanks for replying.
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you can make another screen your home screen with sense launcher so you dont have blinkfeed in your face everytime you unlock the phone. and just so you know i just tried the s-off and it works on my tmo htc one. i successfully got s-off tampered removed and supercid. its confirmed working for at&t also
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you can make another screen your home screen with sense launcher so you dont have blinkfeed in your face everytime you unlock the phone. and just so you know i just tried the s-off and it works on my tmo htc one. i successfully got s-off tampered removed and supercid. its confirmed working for at&t also
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Yes, I figured out the Blinkfeed thing. Right now I am using Nova Launcher with a shortcut to Blinkfeed when I want to use it. The only thing bad about using Nova is that a bunch of the HTC widgets are not there anymore to use. Power toggles, Clocks/Weather, FM Radio widget, etc are all missing when using Nova Launcher. I understand that HTC widgets are only visible when using the Sense launcher? That's a bummer...
So explain again what the advantage of s-off is? Just so you can go back to completely stock if something goes wrong?
I think I will wait for this upcoming 4.2.2 OTA before deciding whether to unlock my bootloader and/or root. I'll take the time right now just to learn the phone and start reading all of the forums.
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Yes, I figured out the Blinkfeed thing. Right now I am using Nova Launcher with a shortcut to Blinkfeed when I want to use it. The only thing bad about using Nova is that a bunch of the HTC widgets are not there anymore to use. Power toggles, Clocks/Weather, FM Radio widget, etc are all missing when using Nova Launcher. I understand that HTC widgets are only visible when using the Sense launcher? That's a bummer...
So explain again what the advantage of s-off is? Just so you can go back to completely stock if something goes wrong?
I think I will wait for this upcoming 4.2.2 OTA before deciding whether to unlock my bootloader and/or root. I'll take the time right now just to learn the phone and start reading all of the forums.
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with s-off and supercid you can install the ruu/ota from any htc one variant except sprint/verizon. but you could use the international ota which is 4.2.2
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with s-off and supercid you can install the ruu/ota from any htc one variant except sprint/verizon. but you could use the international ota which is 4.2.2
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Ah, I see. With the AT&T OTA update rumored to be coming out in the next week or two, I think I'll just wait right now before jumping in.
Ironically, LTE just lit up in my area (Quad Cities, Davenport IA area) last night, so I was able to try that out as well!
So my first night at work with the new phone was very successful. Here are some things I noticed when comparing the One to my normal usage on the iPhone 5 with Verizon:
- LTE speeds on AT&T were comparable to Verizon at my workplace. However, AT&T had better penetration because my iPhone (and past LTE Android phones) would drop down to 3G deep inside the building, whereas AT&T stayed on LTE the whole time. In fact, I think the One has only dropped down to 4G (HSPA+) one or two times since I got it, whereas the Verizon phones constantly change between 3G and LTE.
- Battery life on the One was surprisingly good! My normal 8-hour shift consists mostly of playing Doggcatcher podcasts at 1.5 speed through Bluetooth headphones. I also use the phone on my breaks, along with a bit of Hotspot tethering for my iPad. With my iPhone 5, I'm normally at 40-50% battery life when I leave work, and the One was right about there as well. I would say that the One is very efficient when the screen is off, but a bit of a sucker when using the screen. That's to be expected, especially with that nice bright screen. Overall, I am very pleased and quite relieved to discover that I'll make it through a day of work no problem.
- The speakers are amazing! This is the first phone I can actually listen to music on without cringing. Having the speakers in the front of the phone is huge advantage as well. The iPhone 5 is no slouch in the audio department, but the One is noticeably better.
- I like the screen better on the One compared to the Galaxy S4. The latter has better blacks and contrast, but lacks color accuracy and is practically unviewable outdoors. I am definitely getting spoiled by these high DPI displays! The extra screen real estate on the One compared to the iPhone is liberating. Apple needs to release a larger screen iPhone now - not next year - because nobody who uses the larger 1080p screen is ever going to go back to the puny 4" screen again.
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Ah, I see. With the AT&T OTA update rumored to be coming out in the next week or two, I think I'll just wait right now before jumping in.
Ironically, LTE just lit up in my area (Quad Cities, Davenport IA area) last night, so I was able to try that out as well!
So my first night at work with the new phone was very successful. Here are some things I noticed when comparing the One to my normal usage on the iPhone 5 with Verizon:
- LTE speeds on AT&T were comparable to Verizon at my workplace. However, AT&T had better penetration because my iPhone (and past LTE Android phones) would drop down to 3G deep inside the building, whereas AT&T stayed on LTE the whole time. In fact, I think the One has only dropped down to 4G (HSPA+) one or two times since I got it, whereas the Verizon phones constantly change between 3G and LTE.
- Battery life on the One was surprisingly good! My normal 8-hour shift consists mostly of playing Doggcatcher podcasts at 1.5 speed through Bluetooth headphones. I also use the phone on my breaks, along with a bit of Hotspot tethering for my iPad. With my iPhone 5, I'm normally at 40-50% battery life when I leave work, and the One was right about there as well. I would say that the One is very efficient when the screen is off, but a bit of a sucker when using the screen. That's to be expected, especially with that nice bright screen. Overall, I am very pleased and quite relieved to discover that I'll make it through a day of work no problem.
- The speakers are amazing! This is the first phone I can actually listen to music on without cringing. Having the speakers in the front of the phone is huge advantage as well. The iPhone 5 is no slouch in the audio department, but the One is noticeably better.
- I like the screen better on the One compared to the Galaxy S4. The latter has better blacks and contrast, but lacks color accuracy and is practically unviewable outdoors. I am definitely getting spoiled by these high DPI displays! The extra screen real estate on the One compared to the iPhone is liberating. Apple needs to release a larger screen iPhone now - not next year - because nobody who uses the larger 1080p screen is ever going to go back to the puny 4" screen again.
More thoughts later...
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As you start reading up on the forums you may find the posts about how AT&T "fluffs" the signal. I am running the international trick droid ver 7.0.0 and it does have the same speed just the signal bar is not tweaked for simulated better signal. Also this rom has build options to remove the three dot menu as well as debloat and turn off power save notification. It runs like butter no laggs. I dont have or use FB so i cant speak for it. Keep us posted on how you like it.
OK so I'm due for my an upgrade on my second line (which is my wife's), and was just wondering what's a good phone to upgrade to?
I love my g3 but my lady wants one as well so I was just thinking of giving her mines. Anything better than the lg g3, it has to be at least 5.5in or lower (its the perfect size IMO). And please don't say nexus 6 because that's too big besides I have an N5. Look forward to you guys input.
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Im leaning towards the G3 as well, and mainly because I want a usable camera. I have a RazrHD and it has left alot to be desired in that department. Love that I was able to unlock the bootloader when I had the chance and the Rom I have is fast, stable and smoother than any other I have tried even on my Nexus 7.
Believe it or not the G3 is the top Android in most of these camera tests besting even the Samsung Galaxy 5 http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Camera-comparison-iPhone-6-and-iPhone-6-Plus-vs-iPhone-5s-Galaxy-S5-LG-G3-Lumia-1520-Xperia-Z2-HTC-One-M8_id3805/page/6
I'm pretty much between this phone and the Nexus 6 because nothing beats a custom Rom, and if it's locked it takes away my ability to maximize the performance of an already amazing device.
If anyone can comment on the battery life this would help as well.
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Im leaning towards the G3 as well, and mainly because I want a usable camera. I have a RazrHD and it has left alot to be desired in that department. Love that I was able to unlock the bootloader when I had the chance and the Rom I have is fast, stable and smoother than any other I have tried even on my Nexus 7.
Believe it or not the G3 is the top Android in most of these camera tests besting even the Samsung Galaxy 5 http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Camera-comparison-iPhone-6-and-iPhone-6-Plus-vs-iPhone-5s-Galaxy-S5-LG-G3-Lumia-1520-Xperia-Z2-HTC-One-M8_id3805/page/6
I'm pretty much between this phone and the Nexus 6 because nothing beats a custom Rom, and if it's locked it takes away my ability to maximize the performance of an already amazing device.
If anyone can comment on the battery life this would help as well.
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IMHO, battery life meets and exceeds all I need. However, I should follow that up by saying I came from a GS3 with absolutely horrendous battery life due to it being old and me upgrading soon and so just living with it lol I would say that I've read a lot of people who've said there are some better phones for battery out there (GS5, even the G2 from what I've heard - keep in mind I have no personal experience here though). Either way, a day of "normal use" - checking it occasionally during work, some texting, and a reasonable amount of Web browsing - I'm usually ballpark of 50-60% by 5 to 6 pm. A day of exceptionally heavy use I may be as low as 30% at that same time, but at that point it's all irrelevant because I can simply plug it in for 20-30 minutes to easily get me though till 10 or so. Just my 2c. I wouldn't classify it as "marathon" status, but definitely sufficient for me. Hope this helps!
Edit: However, if you're thinking of getting on, I'd do it quick lol! Hopefully you can find one with the 10b firmware (exploitable for root, bootloader unlock, etc.). However, some people are now reporting success with downgrading from the recent 11c update back to 10b using the .kdz file posted in the "system update incoming" thread. Just in case you haven't been reading over there
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IMHO, battery life meets and exceeds all I need. However, I should follow that up by saying I came from a GS3 with absolutely horrendous battery life due to it being old and me upgrading soon and so just living with it lol I would say that I've read a lot of people who've said there are some better phones for battery out there (GS5, even the G2 from what I've heard - keep in mind I have no personal experience here though). Either way, a day of "normal use" - checking it occasionally during work, some texting, and a reasonable amount of Web browsing - I'm usually ballpark of 50-60% by 5 to 6 pm. A day of exceptionally heavy use I may be as low as 30% at that same time, but at that point it's all irrelevant because I can simply plug it in for 20-30 minutes to easily get me though till 10 or so. Just my 2c. I wouldn't classify it as "marathon" status, but definitely sufficient for me. Hope this helps!
Edit: However, if you're thinking of getting on, I'd do it quick lol! Hopefully you can find one with the 10b firmware (exploitable for root, bootloader unlock, etc.). However, some people are now reporting success with downgrading from the recent 11c update back to 10b using the .kdz file posted in the "system update incoming" thread. Just in case you haven't been reading over there
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Thanks a lot for this information. Unfortunately I have to wait until June of next year to use my upgrade and I really want to root / boot loader unlock the G3 if I decide on it.
Maybe I'll just pull the trigger and see if hopefully I get one from the box with 10b firmware from the get go.
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In case we buy the G3 and there is no way to downgrade at that time is the phone still recommended if on stock?
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In case we buy the G3 and there is no way to downgrade at that time is the phone still recommended if on stock?
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I would say that depends on if you can live with the "stock" feel of a device, then yes. I'll be honest that personally though, root and unlock to me personally is a near make or break deal lol I get bored of things too quick to not be able to "mess" with stuff haha but that's just me
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I would say that depends on if you can live with the "stock" feel of a device, then yes. I'll be honest that personally though, root and unlock to me personally is a near make or break deal lol I get bored of things too quick to not be able to "mess" with stuff haha but that's just me
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I'm the same way, just hoping that by the time I get me G3 they don't bork it up and have the latest update on it. June can't come soon enough.
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