My current rom, sitting at 85k views, is unpolished as heck. I am concerned considering how much viewership it has gained in the past two years. I would love to fix it, but I am not sure what is left to improve on as the phone is ancient. Does anyone even sift through here anymore? Just a question before I try modding my Nexus 6p
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My current rom, sitting at 85k views, is unpolished as heck. I am concerned considering how much viewership it has gained in the past two years. I would love to fix it, but I am not sure what is left to improve on as the phone is ancient. Does anyone even sift through here anymore? Just a question before I try modding my Nexus 6p
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I am pretty sure that you can safely say that this phone is, not technically dead, but no one looks at xda for android for it anymore, more than likely.
There are newer better phones which are actually cheaper than the L9.
The only reason I came up here, is because I still own one, and my G3 broke down (long story) and I needed a phone to be reached on, and well as it so happens it was bricked so I needed new firmware on it.
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I am pretty sure that you can safely say that this phone is, not technically dead, but no one looks at xda for android for it anymore, more than likely.
There are newer better phones which are actually cheaper than the L9.
The only reason I came up here, is because I still own one, and my G3 broke down (long story) and I needed a phone to be reached on, and well as it so happens it was bricked so I needed new firmware on it.
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Welp. I hope you like whats out there currently because I sort of realized I hit a wall within the hardware of the L9 . My CPU quit on the day I got my Nexus 6 so I never really touched it, assuming it was gone forever. However, I received a donation phone and my old one booted up recently. Either way, I still developed for the phone but there is only so much you can do with what is available, ending my updates probably permanently. Feelsbadman
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A real problem seems to be that 1GB of RAM is apparently no longer sufficient. Except if you have Lollipop's or MM's ZRAM and paging. There still seem to be lots of cheaper phones with only 1GB. But as long as they are provided with a current OS, it's still okay.
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A real problem seems to be that 1GB of RAM is apparently no longer sufficient. Except if you have Lollipop's or MM's ZRAM and paging. There still seem to be lots of cheaper phones with only 1GB. But as long as they are provided with a current OS, it's still okay.
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I agree. It's difficult for people who couldn't get unlocked boot(like me because my phone's manufacture date wasn't in 2013.) because there wasnt a way to get to Lollipop and higher because of the security error blocking the way to Paradise. Also the cpu was -and still is- very weak. It took a lot just to get the phone to move snappily after the user added apps. I constantly self-tested the rom and even I had a hard time to get the ram and cpu to move efficiently. I hope more companies ship with 2gb ram or even 3 as the standard for low end phones as well. Opens the door for more user customization
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Yesterday i made a lil' test with Firefox.
The most demanding webpage i know is XDA's "All forums" page. Even when logged in as a user and with much of the ads removed, it crashes the 32bit FF on my desktop pc. Probably because of the 2GB ram limit for 32bit programs under 64bit Windows. (i7-2600k and 16GB should otherwise be sufficient for web browsing)
An Iphone 4s CAN display the page with FF using Apples web engine, despite only 0.5GB of ram. It should take about half an hour to scroll to the bottom of the page, though.
My Huawei Mediapad with 1GB and CM11 will crash, not only ending FF, but also many background services like Google Play Services, in the vain try to free mo' ram.
The P760 performs best of all, with CM13! No crash or FC, Browser is not very responsive, but you can scroll relatively quick, but after a couple of pages there's a pause for rendering the next section. My two Galaxies with 2 and 3GB if ram i didn't test. My Note with Lollipop may fail, but surely not the S5 with Marshmallow like the L9.
(About two years ago i was visiting the forum via WWW with the pc, with no difficulties. Today I use Tapatalk. And even Tapatalk crashes big time every time i access the forum, on the tablet with CM11. Though i only let TT display the subscribed forums, or threads i participated. Smaller forums still mostly work.)
That was my 5 cents about ram limitations, not a bug report about the forum itself, though a more hierarchic structure of the subforums is necessary.
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Yesterday i made a lil' test with Firefox.
The most demanding webpage i know is XDA's "All forums" page. Even when logged in as a user and with much of the ads removed, it crashes the 32bit FF on my desktop pc. Probably because of the 2GB ram limit for 32bit programs under 64bit Windows. (i7-2600k and 16GB should otherwise be sufficient for web browsing)
An Iphone 4s CAN display the page with FF using Apples web engine, despite only 0.5GB of ram. It should take about half an hour to scroll to the bottom of the page, though.
My Huawei Mediapad with 1GB and CM11 will crash, not only ending FF, but also many background services like Google Play Services, in the vain try to free mo' ram.
The P760 performs best of all, with CM13! No crash or FC, Browser is not very responsive, but you can scroll relatively quick, but after a couple of pages there's a pause for rendering the next section. My two Galaxies with 2 and 3GB if ram i didn't test. My Note with Lollipop may fail, but surely not the S5 with Marshmallow like the L9.
(About two years ago i was visiting the forum via WWW with the pc, with no difficulties. Today I use Tapatalk. And even Tapatalk crashes big time every time i access the forum, on the tablet with CM11. Though i only let TT display the subscribed forums, or threads i participated. Smaller forums still mostly work.)
That was my 5 cents about ram limitations, not a bug report about the forum itself, though a more hierarchic structure of the subforums is necessary.
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See the thing is I couldn't unlock my bootloader, making what you said sound impossible imo. Crazy it can do that with cm13. Never could try it out but now I have to test this on my nexus6p! Thanks for the opinion on ram. It opened my eyes a bit.
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On most L9 models the bootloader was unlockable after a firmware downgrade. From the v10 roms only v10a had an unlockable b/l, but several of the v20 ones, I unlocked with v20c, when this rom was the latest. Only the US T-Mobile version was special. But somewhere I read that the final batch of all models have an encrypted b/l, whatever this implies...
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My current rom, sitting at 85k views, is unpolished as heck. I am concerned considering how much viewership it has gained in the past two years. I would love to fix it, but I am not sure what is left to improve on as the phone is ancient. Does anyone even sift through here anymore? Just a question before I try modding my Nexus 6p
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:silly: what?
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On most L9 models the bootloader was unlockable after a firmware downgrade. From the v10 roms only v10a had an unlockable b/l, but several of the v20 ones, I unlocked with v20c, when this rom was the latest. Only the US T-Mobile version was special. But somewhere I read that the final batch of all models have an encrypted b/l, whatever this implies...
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I am pretty sure that this implies that encrypted b/l(on basically any batch made after 2013) means rooting is a no go. I found a way to downgrade and go to the euro version, however this never worked for me. thus, making me decide to make a locked bl rom for all to enjoy. However, this was 2 years ago, and I would have pressured people in to fixing problems with my base rom a lot more than before to make both roms a more finished product. Anyone not on p769 may or may not end up with a screen that doesnt shut off. the new Kumakan version(the one my rom is based on) has this problem and consequently, so does mine. The thing had good updates, but that glitch came out of it. No idea how to fix this myself and would need help from someone to get it fixed. now that this forum is half-dead, I half-feel like not doing it. Not sure where to go from here.
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not sure what you mean. If you are asking about what I mean, I am asking if the p76X forum page is basically a ghost town or not.
It may soon become one.
As the last remaining dev seems to have submerged, the situation reminds me of when the last active dev for my Huawei tablet got banned on XDA for selling his roms as donationware. (With the only difference that Huawei has produced about a dozen or so different Mediapads over the years, and they are all stuffed into a single subforum.)
well, I still have one and use it - so some interest is there.
Surely there are cheaper/more powerful devices on the market, BUT:
this is 4" - not much out there in that size
it consumes not much power - I use it as navigator on bike tours, providing energy about 5V 300 mA by a hub dynamo - many newer mobiles refuse to load
I would like to see some of the bugs in CM13 removed, other roms seem no option, including stock, because of the ram issues.
Nav is down on my P760 with Cm13, one of the more pressing bugs. No satfix, no compass, just coarse network based location.
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I would like to see some of the bugs in CM13 removed, other roms seem no option, including stock, because of the ram issues.
Nav is down on my P760 with Cm13, one of the more pressing bugs. No satfix, no compass, just coarse network based location.
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Test my rom! I dunno if something still works(also check if the screen stays on...if it does just dip out, if it doesn't, tell me if it needs cleaning up or just ditch it all)
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I had HTC Desire for nearly 3 years, and it is a great phone, but I think it is time to upgrade, because:
- it is annoyingly slow with my regular set of programs installed, even on fastest available roms
- it doesn't have kernel 3.0, and because of that JB roms have shortcomings
- a little bit too small screen for GPS navigation
- really crappy camera
- somewhat short battery life
Some time ago I had a chance to look at Galaxy S2 in person and it looked like a perfect phone (at least for 2 minutes I had it in my hands).
Somewhat bigger screen, more internal storage, kernel 3.0.
I use custom roms, so big development community is important for me. I have been spoiled by Desire as it (still) has a large one.
Galaxy S2 would cost me around 170-200 euro to get it.
Then there is S3, which looks like a better phone alltogether, even if more expensive (~350 euro).
But the doubts about that one after reading user opinions are:
- quite dark screen, worse than One X
- bad build quality
- flimsy home button
- external speaker on pair with Desire
I would welcome SGS3 owners views on the above.
My general requirements (compared to HTC Desire):
- larger screen (not necessarily much larger)
- solid build quality
- large development community
- noticeably faster CPU than Desire (Dual+ core would come in handy)
- microUSB
- good/very good camera
- good battery life
- have a good and loud external speakers for listening to podcasts
- would be nice if it had FM transmitter (not receiver) but it is not necessary
- it must by BLACK or therebout
the s3 fits each one of those requirements.....
Hi there. I was an owner of HTC Desire for 2 years. I loved that device and still have it in my drawer. I recently bought a Galaxy S3 to upadgrade my old DS. The transfer from Desire to Desire S was something logical to me back then. Almost the same device but newer software. I was searching for a new phone and I thought that one X was the only road for me. I had a chance to compare one X with SGS3 side by side. The screen on one X has more natural colors for me and I think the sound quality is better. Honesty I picked the SGS 3 cause of the community that has here in xda the removal battery the sd card slot and I think the camera quality is better. Im still new here and haven't managed to explore the hole forum but I found a lot of things and I'm amazed by the community
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There are better options market than s3 at this point of time
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There are better options market than s3 at this point of time
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Thanks for this informative post. Could you share those better options?
I am not going to pay more than 350 euro for it, so unless those better options are the same price or cheaper than SGS3, mentioning them is pointless.
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Thanks for this informative post. Could you share those better options?
I am not going to pay more than 350 euro for it, so unless those better options are the same price or cheaper than SGS3, mentioning them is pointless.
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Get the S4 i9505. Better dev support due to no exynos. Get 2nd hand
Got to be honest, if i was in your shoes, i wouldn't. Not for 350€. Would be a different thing if you had an awesome deal at hand, but if you're just getting them from a regular store, for the full price, no.
I've seen you don't require neither external sd nor an removable battery so i'd easily go with a nexus 4 if i could. Around same price point, best bang for the buck specs wise. Also, you get updates directly from google instead of waiting forever for samsung
If you're not into the nexus 4 (which isn't easy to come by for every country) you may want to take a look at the oppo find 5. Seems a fantastic phone, has even better specs than the nexus and therefore a bit more expensive. Easy to get in europe and they even throw in a few extras like NFC tags and a (flip?) cover for your phone. Also the developer openly encourages custom roms so there shouldn't be a problem having updates.
Moar ram (this is REALLY important on the S3 since 1Gb is not nearly enough for a samsung rom), no-bul**** touchwiz with a lightfast pure aosp rom (with the nexus) or anything close with the oppo and no exynos with closed sources, making custom roms not being able to be all they can. You won't get some somewhat useless bells and whistles (smart stay, camera effects, multiwindow, etc) but that can almost all be reinstated with 3rd party apps if needed. Samsung has a bad history of kind of neglecting their phones who're not flagships anymore - by this i mean they say they will update but only when convenient to them and that means waiting forever with no ETA at all. Not to mention you may get a unit with the screwed up chip which is apparently not in danger of suddently dying anymore but it's fix has been reported causing severe lag. It's not a bad phone at all, it's just there are better alternatives out there.
The S2 though is still a fantastic phone and it's probably the cheaper you'll get. It's just it's old and most likely not supported (or about to be, not sure) by samsung by now.
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i'd easily go with a nexus 4 if i could. Around same price point, best bang for the buck specs wise.
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This is a really good point.
I think the price points are still a little high
You should expect after September 5 or so, and then check prices for:
- i9300 unlocked new and second-hand; IMHO the best thing about it is the form factor + huge availability of ROMs; major downside = only 1 GB RAM
- i9305 unlocked new and second-hand; it fixes the problem with just 1 GB and also has LTE, but much less development and fewer ROMs to choose
- N7100 (note 2) unlocked new and second-hand; IMHO a good choice that fixes most problems with i9300 and i9305, BUT creates a new one - size; that one is a deal killer for me
- also look at the prices for note 3 (will be launchd around September 4-5) and i9505 (might drop a little, eventually the i9506 might become available).
Thanks guys.
- I never used stock rom on any android phone I had. I root and install custom rom instantly, so I am no bothered by Sense or Touchwiz or whatever bloat there is in stock.
- Nexus 4 has one major flaw - only 16gb, and not expandable. In my Deisre, I have a 16gb card and btween GPS maps, podcasts and backups, I am almost constantly out of space. Plus, it has lesser camera, and screen.
- SGS3 would be in silicon cover anyway, so I don't care much about the build quality EXCEPT for the front panel/home button.
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Thanks guys.
- I never used stock rom on any android phone I had. I root and install custom rom instantly, so I am no bothered by Sense or Touchwiz or whatever bloat there is in stock.
- Nexus 4 has one major flaw - only 16gb, and not expandable. In my Deisre, I have a 16gb card and btween GPS maps, podcasts and backups, I am almost constantly out of space. Plus, it has lesser camera, and screen.
- SGS3 would be in silicon cover anyway, so I don't care much about the build quality EXCEPT for the front panel/home button.
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SGS3's problem is that AOSP devs cannot make ROMs as quickly (or make the "fully functional" as quickly) due to having an Exynos CPU. I personally would look for an S4 i9505 2nd hand if I wanted a good phone with AOSP support. It has no Exynos.
S4 is way to expensive for me.
How about HTC One X?
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Thanks for this informative post. Could you share those better options?
I am not going to pay more than 350 euro for it, so unless those better options are the same price or cheaper than SGS3, mentioning them is pointless.
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What would be pointless is buying a exynos device paying 350 euro.. N4 / oppo find 5 great devices / or second hand i9505 / one x
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S4 is way to expensive for me.
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In the UK I found a 2nd hand i9505 for £330, 384 Euros on buy it now (ebay).
Wait a month or two, it will be lower. Worth considering. Or look for an auction instead. I'm confident it can be done.
Oh you didn't mention the need for more than 16gb. That actually weights in a lot. The oppo finder 5 should be a good candidate then, I believe it's the best price you can get for a phone with those specs that already brings 32gb (if bought new)
If you understand and don't mind the exynos, the 16gb+sdcard lte s3 is also an option (2gb ram), not sure about prices though.
Also, for what's worth, I've compared the camera of my s3 with the n4. Didn't think it was all that different apart from effects I don't really use. Phones are cool for the casual shot (and actually take very decent ones) but if it's serious quality I'm after, nothing beats a good, dedicated camera.
Edit: oops didn't realise you couldn't spend more than 350. I still wouldn't get the s3 and would wait out for the prices to get lower. Still, if you must change your phone now, for that price point, with your requirements is probably the best bet.
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In the UK I found a 2nd hand i9505 for £330, 384 Euros on buy it now (ebay).
Wait a month or two, it will be lower. Worth considering. Or look for an auction instead. I'm confident it can be done.
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Main issue I find with ebay uk sellers, they won't send to any other country, even if its their neighbor Portugal few miles below
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Main issue I find with ebay uk sellers, they won't send to any other country, even if its their neighbor Portugal few miles below
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I wasnt suggesting buying from Ebay UK. It's just an example.
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SGS3's problem is that AOSP devs cannot make ROMs as quickly (or make the "fully functional" as quickly) due to having an Exynos CPU. I personally would look for an S4 i9505 2nd hand if I wanted a good phone with AOSP support. It has no Exynos.
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I am not sure what is the problem with S3 cpu. S3 seems to have great support community, a lot of roms, etc. I do not really care if I have the newest subversion of Android available on my phone 5 days after the newest Android was released.
I just want it to work, and I couldn't care less if I have to wait a month, or 3 months for Android 4.3, if I have fully workin 4.2.2, with great battery life, photograps, excellent GPS, screen, and pretty great for a mobile audio quality (headphones, and speakerphone).
Considering that, would you still disadvice me an S3? I looked at prices of S4 and even 380 euro is a bit of a stretch, considering I wanted to spend 200 euro initially, and 300 for S3 is already a significant budget enlargement.
And what about HTC One X? Would that be better than S3?
Exynos documentation lacking. No sources. Poor camera. All devs complain including cyanogen. Read their threads, posts and blogs. Research. Or buy blindly. You choose
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Exynos documentation lacking. No sources. Poor camera. All devs complain including cyanogen. Read their threads, posts and blogs. Research. Or buy blindly. You choose
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Here are results of my research:
1. Stable CM10.2 available on S3
2. S3 camera is one of the best among mobile phones
3. Considerable amount of roms available for S3.
I just don't see the point you are making. I do not want to get S3 blindly, but neither do I want to blindly reject it.
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Here are results of my research:
1. Stable CM10.2 available on S3
2. S3 camera is one of the best among mobile phones
3. Considerable amount of roms available for S3.
I just don't see the point you are making. I do not want to get S3 blindly, but neither do I want to blindly reject it.
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1. Cyanogen refused to release 10.1 as "stable" release. Remains nightly build forever due to lack of exynos sources and documentation. Same with 10.2
2. Touchwiz rom camera great. Since samsung didn't release camera HAL, aosp camera not very good.
3. Loads of aosp roms. None meet their own potential due to the issues mentioned above.
4. Battery life poor on aosp roms.
S3 is great of you're happy with touchwiz. Bloated and slow but good pics and great battery life. But if you know you'll be using aosp roms, its a poor choice - and im sure any aosp dev would agree with that. Yes there's lots of choice. I even use aosp all the time but it cannot exploit the devices potential.
Also a lot of devs are starting to move on now. Kernel development for aosp is down to about 3 or 4 good ones.
Im trying to be Frank and save you buying a dying devices thinking it will be as good as you think it is. I wish I had known about the exynos issue before buying. Would I have held out and bought something else? Probably not. It was the only device that met my requirement 14 months ago. That said, would I recommend it now? No.
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Hi everyone. As you know, Android 4.4.4 has just came out, and it's already available on the developers.google.com, and with I/O taking place in just 5 days - the excitement for the future of Android is beyond imagination.
But, this tablet came out 1.5 years ago, and seeing how many updates were already released for N10 starting from 4.2 up 'till 4.4.4 - I'm concerned about one thing: is this the last official update this device will receive? But even if we'll get 4.5/5.0, the support of this tablet will end sooner or later, as the developer community will fade away one day.
So, when the dark hour comes - what will YOU do with your Nexus 10?
I'm having the not-so-great times with mine as the perfomance is slightly disappointing, especially the lack of RAM (only 1GB) and the lack of 3G/LTE capabilities (and having to tether it to my phone isn't always reliable, due to coverage and the battery drain coming from the Hotspot being turned on most of the time, as well as having two devices slowly eating away my data cap (with both devices having autosync on and the N10 being my main connectivity device when I'm not at home, mainly at university),
So, personally, I'm looking for alternatives... and there's quite honestly not so many of them out there :/
But enough about me, what's your call on this matter?
I will keep it and install a custom ROM - long life to AOSP
Or maybe will buy Xiaomi MiPad
I think we will receive two major updates, and that will be the same for Nexus 4.
Still a great Tablet in my opinion. I'm planning on keeping it for sometime to come and will always run latest available ROM.
Ill keep it until it dies. then if there is no new N10, I'll switch to something with HDMI out, probably the Surface 3 RT when it comes out.
Hi,
I'll be keeping it, sure it'll take longer to arrive unnoficial updates, but as long as I receive it I'll be glad. It's still a pretty good device, I guess I'd change it only in 2 more years, and it'll probably be either a new Nexus or a Sony tablet.
~Lord
My target from when I bought the N10 was to keep it for three years (clock started Mar 2013). I'm hoping my next purchase would have specs such as 64bit processor, 4GB memory, screen size and resolution no less than the N10. I definitely expect a screen color/Gama control app. As media consumption is my primary usage the best color reproduction is essential. The N10 can already handle the highest bit rate video in my collection I'd expect no less but that is not a stretch. I'd also prefer a Qualcomm processor but I'm flexible on that score.
The N10 has been a pleasant surprise in how much I use it. I couldn't have predicted the amount of my media consumption has moved from my PC to the N10. It's been a real eye opener.
Of the current crop of tablets the only one to catch my eye is Samsung's Tab S 10.5, except of course for Knox's ability to detect rooting and the resulting voiding the warranty. That's why both my phone and tablet are Nexus devices. Consumers need to be empowered as we are purchasing not renting despite what some companies think. Maybe the roomered Google's Silver program can provide that option. Knowing me I'll not be able resist rooting after the hardware checks out despite the risk.
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It will be custom ROM time. I used my Viewsonic gtablet with custom Roms till I purchased my Nexus.
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The Nexus 10 have 2gb ram and not 1?
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The Nexus 10 have 2gb ram and not 1?
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1GB available to the user, 1GB eaten away by the crappy Mali HPU, in the end I'm left with ~800MB free if I'm lucky, most of the time it varies from 700 to 500, which is unbearable
Looks like we may have been officially/unofficially retired. No mention of the Nexus 10 in the Android L preview announcement. Looks like it's 4.4.4, which is still fine by me
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Looks like we may have been officially/unofficially retired. No mention of the Nexus 10 in the Android L preview announcement. Looks like it's 4.4.4, which is still fine by me
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Well that's only preview. Maybe the actual release will come
I'm still happy with mine. An Xperia Tablet Z2 with Nexus branding would get me to upgrade. Nothing else I have seen looks more interesting than my Nexus 10.
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Wait... Op the tab has 2 GB of ram. What bottlenecks our tablets is the GPU.
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I'll keep mine until it dies or I'll give to my son if something really good comes out that I really want
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Looks like we may have been officially/unofficially retired. No mention of the Nexus 10 in the Android L preview announcement. Looks like it's 4.4.4, which is still fine by me
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When the nexus 10 is no longer listed in the Google Play store then I'll believe it will not be updated with a Nexus 2.
When a tablet is no going to be produced it gets removed from the store.
The fact that it is still there leads me to believe something is still up with it.
But I'll keep mine.
I'm not changing my N10 until Nvidia comes out with a quad core Denver CPU, a Maxwell GPU and at least 4gb of RAM, so most likely at some point in the next year.
Looks like we should be getting the next upgrade. It will extend the life for another year easy. And then count on many devs out there that will do their best to bring future releases. Remember the hp touchpad? It went from gb and now I think is running kk.
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I'll keep it for sure. A tablet is not something I'm willing to upgrade as often as my phone.
With a little tweaking this tablet performs really well (custom ROM and kernel, over clocking CPU and GPU). From where I stand, the only thing holding the N10 back somewhat is its 2GB of ram. If it had shipped with 3GB its performance and multitasking would improve tenfold. Although ram management was drastically improved with kit Kat and I can't wait to see what android L does performance wise.
Non the less, I still enjoy it very much!
I love my N10 and will keep it long after it's "retired". It does everything I want it to do. Once it's retired, it will still do everything I want it to do.
I browse, email, and read books on it - that's basically it. I don't care about the latest games or apps.
I know I'm not the typical user though.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lenovo_tab_s8-6681.php
http://www.mobilegeeks.com/lenovo-tab-s8-full-review-video/
http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/tablets/lenovo/s-series/s8/
Do you guys think this device will be supported by anyone on XDA?
There isn't a trace of anything currently, which appears to be the case for anything by Lenovo unfortunately, which is a shame as this appears to be a very capable device.
I'd love to replace my N7 (2013) with one but the lack of support and being forced to use Lenovo's (most likely crap) software is a deal-breaker.
It currently costs just over £100 in the UK because of a deal with Curry's and a cashback scheme from Lenovo themselves.
Nice little tablet
I bought one a couple of weeks ago to replace my Nexus 7 (2012) that had a cracked screen. I've been really happy with it so far. Lenovo's software isn't that bad, and you can fix most of the issues (no app drawer?) by installing something like Nova or Apex launcher. I would like root access so that I can use Titanium Backup and get rid of some bloatware, but I have not been disappointed in the tablets performance at all.
Let's hope someone smarter than me finds an exploit for this tablet soon.
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I bought one a couple of weeks ago to replace my Nexus 7 (2012) that had a cracked screen. I've been really happy with it so far. Lenovo's software isn't that bad, and you can fix most of the issues (no app drawer?) by installing something like Nova or Apex launcher. I would like root access so that I can use Titanium Backup and get rid of some bloatware, but I have not been disappointed in the tablets performance at all.
Let's hope someone smarter than me finds an exploit for this tablet soon.
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Yea it would be nice but that's my concern.
All the "smart" people are using Nexus 7s or Galaxy Tabs and have no interest in this.
I've decided against it for now! Glad you're enjoying yours though.
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I hope this gets support!
Spec wise it's better than the nexus 7. The Intel atom 3745 is bang in the middle performance wise compared to the snapdragon 600 and 800. Got mine for 107 from p.c world, what a bargain!!!
Hope the popularity picks up and we see it get root access. Custom roms would be a huge bonus, but I won't be holding my breath!
Forum needed
I too would love to see a sub-forum for this device. I've bought one and am seriously impressed with it for the price. Only one gripe is that the screen flashes once every so often. I hope it's software related rather than hardware.
Interesting, mine does the screen flashing too. It seems some apps cause it more than others.
I would love to see a forum for this device to start getting users together.
i would like to get root on this aswell, its an awesome tablet for the price but root would make it so much better
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I bought one a couple of weeks ago to replace my Nexus 7 (2012) that had a cracked screen. I've been really happy with it so far. Lenovo's software isn't that bad, and you can fix most of the issues (no app drawer?) by installing something like Nova or Apex launcher. I would like root access so that I can use Titanium Backup and get rid of some bloatware, but I have not been disappointed in the tablets performance at all.
Let's hope someone smarter than me finds an exploit for this tablet soon.
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Is that a little like walking backwards? Get the device first, then hope for root and/or developer support.
Generally, the advice is check for root and/or developer support first, then buy the device. Apart from ensuring you don't end up with a dead end device, it also ensures that your business goes to reward manufacurers that produce open and flexible devices that really do adapt to their customer's needs and usage rather than forcing customers into a strait jacket.
I would also like to gain root access for this device. If anyone knows of a way to root I'd be extremely thankful!
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Is that a little like walking backwards? Get the device first, then hope for root and/or developer support.
Generally, the advice is check for root and/or developer support first, then buy the device. Apart from ensuring you don't end up with a dead end device, it also ensures that your business goes to reward manufacurers that produce open and flexible devices that really do adapt to their customer's needs and usage rather than forcing customers into a strait jacket.
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I understand the point you are trying to make, but it doesn't apply to my decision to buy this tablet. It would be nice to have a root solution for the reasons I mentioned, but I knew one was unavailable when I purchased it. If we get root, great, I'll use Titanium Backup and get rid of some apps I don't plan on using. If we don't get root, it's still a great tablet with a fantastic screen, decent speakers, and solid performance for under $200. Since I'm unlikely to keep any device as my primary device for more than around 18 months (I get bored and want something shinier!), I'm not super concerned about whether or not it's considered a "dead end device" either.
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I understand the point you are trying to make, but it doesn't apply to my decision to buy this tablet. It would be nice to have a root solution for the reasons I mentioned, but I knew one was unavailable when I purchased it. If we get root, great, I'll use Titanium Backup and get rid of some apps I don't plan on using. If we don't get root, it's still a great tablet with a fantastic screen, decent speakers, and solid performance for under $200. Since I'm unlikely to keep any device as my primary device for more than around 18 months (I get bored and want something shinier!), I'm not super concerned about whether or not it's considered a "dead end device" either.
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It's cool that you were informed before you bought it. LG G Pad 8.3 offers similar benefits but is more open.
On these devices that can monitor ever more of what one does and report back to who-knows-where without one's knowledge or permission, one is motivated to demand more and more control that isn't possible if the devices are locked down. I hope Lenovo's lack of openness doesn't rub off on Motorola now they own it.
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For what it's worth, I found a working root method at the Russian Lenovo forums. I can't post a link because I haven't made enough other posts yet, but it's pretty easy to find.
You will need to register to download the files.
I can confirm it worked on my s8-50f. There also appears to be a TWRP recovery posted, but I haven't tried that yet.
ThisDude78 said:
For what it's worth, I found a working root method at the Russian Lenovo forums. I can't post a link because I haven't made enough other posts yet, but it's pretty easy to find.
You will need to register to download the files.
I can confirm it worked on my s8-50f. There also appears to be a TWRP recovery posted, but I haven't tried that yet.
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Did you mean this forum?
A little OT. I apologize but...
The newly released Nokia N1 seems a good, comparable device for similar outlay. Intel Atom too. Unlocked bootloader. Wifi-only though.
Sadly no word on kernel sources, 3rd party developer friendliness etc
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Did you mean *removed* this forum[/URL]?
A little OT. I apologize but...
The newly released Nokia N1 seems a good, comparable device for similar outlay. Intel Atom too. Unlocked bootloader. Wifi-only though.
Sadly no word on kernel sources, 3rd party developer friendliness etc
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Yeah, that's the right forum.
I looked at the N1, and had it been available when my Nexus 7 broke, it would have been on my short list. My only real issue is the aspect ratio. It's unclear at this time how well apps are going to play on th 4:3 screen. I've read that a lot of stuff doesn't really look great on the Nexus 9. That could turn out to be a totally groundless concern though, we'll see.
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Yeah, that's the right forum.
I looked at the N1, and had it been available when my Nexus 7 broke, it would have been on my short list. My only real issue is the aspect ratio. It's unclear at this time how well apps are going to play on th 4:3 screen. I've read that a lot of stuff doesn't really look great on the Nexus 9. That could turn out to be a totally groundless concern though, we'll see.
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I'd bet it would be on a lot of shortlists. Nokia dropped the ball by not releasing this in time for Xmas. Would have ended up in a few stockings that may now get an Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact or Nexus 7/9 or LG G Pad 8.3 or iPad Mini...
Just trying to determine if CM11 (or other AOSP roms) can be ported to it. That would make it an awesome [almost budget] choice.
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I bought one a couple of weeks ago to replace my Nexus 7 (2012) that had a cracked screen. I've been really happy with it so far. Lenovo's software isn't that bad, and you can fix most of the issues (no app drawer?) by installing something like Nova or Apex launcher. I would like root access so that I can use Titanium Backup and get rid of some bloatware, but I have not been disappointed in the tablets performance at all.
Let's hope someone smarter than me finds an exploit for this tablet soon.
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hello
Can you make calls through it? Supposedly there is an LTE version but not sure if that is just for data access or actually has cellular capability for calling. Thanks.
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hello
Can you make calls through it? Supposedly there is an LTE version but not sure if that is just for data access or actually has cellular capability for calling. Thanks.
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There is an LTE version (S8-50CL I think?), but mine is wifi only. I don't know if the LTE variant can make calls. To be honest, I'm not sure I've seen the LTE version available for purchase anywhere.
ThisDude78 said:
There is an LTE version (S8-50CL I think?), but mine is wifi only. I don't know if the LTE variant can make calls. To be honest, I'm not sure I've seen the LTE version available for purchase anywhere.
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thanks...i saw this one (have heard of this site before..not bad from what I have heard) (though description at bottom is for an older design, info at top is for the new design)
http://www.merimobiles.com/lenovo-tab-s8-50-4g-lte-8inches-2gb-ram-16gb-ram-tab_p/meri10444.htm
yes Lenovo site at
http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/tablets/lenovo/s-series/s8/#tab-features
says this
"Optional LTE ConnectivityThe TAB S8 supports high-speed LTE (4G) data connectivity - enabling you to browse websites, stream movies & music, and do so much more at blazingly fast speeds. In certain regions, additional voice support is available on select models."
wonder what those select models are...
Question..how is the display quality? viewing angles, color, brightness and not smudgy I hope...maybe reflective guessing. any info appreciated
thx
mac231us said:
thanks...i saw this one (have heard of this site before..not bad from what I have heard) (though description at bottom is for an older design, info at top is for the new design)
http://www.merimobiles.com/lenovo-tab-s8-50-4g-lte-8inches-2gb-ram-16gb-ram-tab_p/meri10444.htm
yes Lenovo site at
http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/tablets/lenovo/s-series/s8/#tab-features
says this
"Optional LTE ConnectivityThe TAB S8 supports high-speed LTE (4G) data connectivity - enabling you to browse websites, stream movies & music, and do so much more at blazingly fast speeds. In certain regions, additional voice support is available on select models."
wonder what those select models are...
Question..how is the display quality? viewing angles, color, brightness and not smudgy I hope...maybe reflective guessing. any info appreciated
thx
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The display is the best part of this tablet, honestly. It's bright, the colors look great (to me at least), and the viewing angles are fantastic. It doesn't collect any more smudges than the display on my G2.
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ThisDude78 said:
For what it's worth, I found a working root method at the Russian Lenovo forums. I can't post a link because I haven't made enough other posts yet, but it's pretty easy to find.
You will need to register to download the files.
I can confirm it worked on my s8-50f. There also appears to be a TWRP recovery posted, but I haven't tried that yet.
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Could you upload the files mate
I've read and read, and looking for feedback from users who may be familiar with both platforms-the Samsung Alpha and the IPhone (5s or 6), hopefully that's not too taboo around here. I've always found XDA to be very helpful and objective, more so than random blog type reporting sites.
A little backstory: I've had a couple of bad phone purchases. Most of the problems are with the HTC models. I had a One X+, and that model wasn't supported for long due to it's mid-model upgrade chipset. it was powerful, but was often very very hot, so much so that plugged in and using navigator it would shut down. Not plugged in it would kill battery very quickly. The One came out short time later and HTC announced One X+ would not longer be updated. I hate the trend for bigger and bigger phones, I really like to use with one hand. I invested in HTC One Mini, thinking it was very similar to full size (M7) model, especially from initial (seemingly biased) reviews now. Initially it seemed fine, but after installing a few apps it's very slow and jerky most of the time. Especially long lag between apps, attributed mostly to it's small RAM size of 1gig. It's a nicely made phone for the most part tho. It took weeks to realize this, and after a factory reset it improved but shortly got worse again.
Most of my friends have either the SGS5, or the majority use Iphones (5s or 6). These have become my options as well, except that SGS5 and iP6 are larger than I'd like.
Enter the SG Alpha. My concern is long term support for this phone, and smooth operation without killing the battery or jerky throttled down operation. Would you say this phone works smoothly, and if you can compare to IOS phones? I really don't want to buy a Iphone, but most everyone tells me they just work and I'm tired of fighting, hacking and modifying Android (which hopefully doesn't sit too poorly in this forum ) I also like Widgets, and IOS does not have those.
Thanks!
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I've read and read, and looking for feedback from users who may be familiar with both platforms-the Samsung Alpha and the IPhone (5s or 6), hopefully that's not too taboo around here. I've always found XDA to be very helpful and objective, more so than random blog type reporting sites.
A little backstory: I've had a couple of bad phone purchases. Most of the problems are with the HTC models. I had a One X+, and that model wasn't supported for long due to it's mid-model upgrade chipset. it was powerful, but was often very very hot, so much so that plugged in and using navigator it would shut down. Not plugged in it would kill battery very quickly. The One came out short time later and HTC announced One X+ would not longer be updated. I hate the trend for bigger and bigger phones, I really like to use with one hand. I invested in HTC One Mini, thinking it was very similar to full size (M7) model, especially from initial (seemingly biased) reviews now. Initially it seemed fine, but after installing a few apps it's very slow and jerky most of the time. Especially long lag between apps, attributed mostly to it's small RAM size of 1gig. It's a nicely made phone for the most part tho. It took weeks to realize this, and after a factory reset it improved but shortly got worse again.
Most of my friends have either the SGS5, or the majority use Iphones (5s or 6). These have become my options as well, except that SGS5 and iP6 are larger than I'd like.
Enter the SG Alpha. My concern is long term support for this phone, and smooth operation without killing the battery or jerky throttled down operation. Would you say this phone works smoothly, and if you can compare to IOS phones? I really don't want to buy a Iphone, but most everyone tells me they just work and I'm tired of fighting, hacking and modifying Android (which hopefully doesn't sit too poorly in this forum ) I also like Widgets, and IOS does not have those.
Thanks!
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Alpha is best compact phone ,
Exynos 5430 is very fast and never lagged .
Phone is very fluid with Stock rom , and overall Best phone .
Camera is very superb overall , but average on low light . Video recording quality is mind blowing and Beyond imagination .
i was confused between Alpha and ip5s , but i choose Alpha ,
Main reason was Alpha has 32 gb . While 5s priced nearly same but only 16 gb .
and 32 gb was out of my budget .
if u have unlimited budget than u can go for iphone 6 64 gb too.
If not than go for Alpha
aldridgec said:
I've read and read, and looking for feedback from users who may be familiar with both platforms-the Samsung Alpha and the IPhone (5s or 6), hopefully that's not too taboo around here. I've always found XDA to be very helpful and objective, more so than random blog type reporting sites.
A little backstory: I've had a couple of bad phone purchases. Most of the problems are with the HTC models. I had a One X+, and that model wasn't supported for long due to it's mid-model upgrade chipset. it was powerful, but was often very very hot, so much so that plugged in and using navigator it would shut down. Not plugged in it would kill battery very quickly. The One came out short time later and HTC announced One X+ would not longer be updated. I hate the trend for bigger and bigger phones, I really like to use with one hand. I invested in HTC One Mini, thinking it was very similar to full size (M7) model, especially from initial (seemingly biased) reviews now. Initially it seemed fine, but after installing a few apps it's very slow and jerky most of the time. Especially long lag between apps, attributed mostly to it's small RAM size of 1gig. It's a nicely made phone for the most part tho. It took weeks to realize this, and after a factory reset it improved but shortly got worse again.
Most of my friends have either the SGS5, or the majority use Iphones (5s or 6). These have become my options as well, except that SGS5 and iP6 are larger than I'd like.
Enter the SG Alpha. My concern is long term support for this phone, and smooth operation without killing the battery or jerky throttled down operation. Would you say this phone works smoothly, and if you can compare to IOS phones? I really don't want to buy a Iphone, but most everyone tells me they just work and I'm tired of fighting, hacking and modifying Android (which hopefully doesn't sit too poorly in this forum ) I also like Widgets, and IOS does not have those.
Thanks!
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With this phone you cant go wrong on performance, i have it for a month now and i am amased how smooth and fast it works. Tried most of the functions that it offers and they work pretty fine, also like you, for me this size is the last acceptable one and it lays comfortably on the hand. Now i havent used an iphone, neither i will, but i can say for sure that it feels better than any apple products around i have had in my hands to test. Battery is good even for the 1860 maph that it has i can take out a day and a half or maybe two with 4 hours SOT, plus it is removable and its expected a new more powerfull one from Samsung. As for the android since you already have used a phone with it i really wouldnt go much deeper into it. So finally my opinion is that you should defenetly choose the alpha.
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tileeq said:
With this phone you cant go wrong on performance, i have it for a month now and i am amased how smooth and fast it works. Tried most of the functions that it offers and they work pretty fine, also like you, for me this size is the last acceptable one and it lays comfortably on the hand. Now i havent used an iphone, neither i will, but i can say for sure that it feels better than any apple products around i have had in my hands to test. Battery is good even for the 1860 maph that it has i can take out a day and a half or maybe two with 4 hours SOT, plus it is removable and its expected a new more powerfull one from Samsung. As for the android since you already have used a phone with it i really wouldnt go much deeper into it. So finally my opinion is that you should defenetly choose the alpha.
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I almost posted this to the discussion thread, but I truly think this deserves an exclusive topic!
Yes, guys, Samsung did it again. Just like Note 5, we now have a crappie RAM management that simply reloads every app and websites again after alternating recent apps/games. Just take a look at this first speed test side by side comparison to the iPhone 6S, made by this YouTube channel. Extremely disappointing! This is absolutely unacceptable for a so expensive device like this! Even worse, but being able to correct manage 4 GB of RAM is ridiculous!
I already ordered a Spigen Wallet S cover and I'm just waiting for Brazilian pre-order to start, but now I need to confess that I'm a bit desperate due to this performance, mainly because this simply doesn't occur when using my Galaxy Note 3!
Anyway, here it goes:
Edit: Another video added! Now against OP3.
viniciusrsouza said:
I almost posted this to the discussion thread, but I truly think this deserves an exclusive topic!
Yes, guys, Samsung did it again. Just like Note 5, we now have a crappie RAM management that simply reloads every app and websites again after alternating recent apps/games. Just take a look at this first speed test side by side comparison to the iPhone 6S, made by this YouTube channel. Extremely disappointing! This is absolutely unacceptable for a so expensive device like this! Even worse, but being able to correct manage 4 GB of RAM is ridiculous!
I already ordered a Spigen Wallet S cover and I'm just waiting for Brazilian pre-order to start, but now I need to confess that I'm a bit desperate due to this performance, mainly because this simply doesn't occur when using my Galaxy Note 3!
Anyway, here it goes:
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Yeah, as soon as I saw this video, I considered canceling my order. I'm holding out hope that the Snapdragon model doesn't have this issue, but if it does, I'll simply return it. I don't care how much of a fanboy you are, there is simply NO EXCUSE for this on a $900 flagship device with 4gb of RAM.
I understand some frustration, but so people really treat their phones this way in real life? How much app switching do you do? 1 second versus 0.8 seconds really isn't a big deal for most people. Canceling an order over this seems a bit... Hasty.
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That is pretty crappy. I hope they fix it.
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I understand some frustration, but so people really treat their phones this way in real life? How much app switching do you do? 1 second versus 0.8 seconds really isn't a big deal for most people. Canceling an order over this seems a bit... Hasty.
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Shows Samsung have not engineered the device properly. Even OnePlus got this right.
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PsiPhiDan said:
I understand some frustration, but so people really treat their phones this way in real life? How much app switching do you do? 1 second versus 0.8 seconds really isn't a big deal for most people. Canceling an order over this seems a bit... Hasty.
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I truly don't bother about milliseconds delay when opening apps or even seconds more to open games (nowadays it's even pretty rare to me playing games, to be honest), as we saw in the video. The real deal is this frustrating, disappointing and, mainly, irritating "reload everything issue" that was so much discussed when Note 5 was released and recently was so criticized also about the latest 1+ device.
We expect low end devices to throw a cold water bucket on our heads while reloading everything we pick under recent apps, but this is unacceptable for the most expensive phone in the world! This is so basic.
And this is not something about not being real life. This is something about the same issue that Note 5 (don't know if S7 also) faced. You don't need to open multiple games. Just alternate between some light apps and this will be sufficient to TouchWiz kill them at background.
Also, this is ridiculous for a phone that claims itself to be a multitasking monster and it's even able to open multiple apps at once at the same time, splitting screen and/or through those bubbles S Pen feature.
For example, I'm writing all of this using my Note 3 and already alterned between weather app, Google app, Inbox and even Google Translator to help me writing this. Just imagine now if I was using Note 7 and this f* Samsung TouchWiz killing background apps thing just reloaded all my 4 Chrome tabs when I returned to it! I would have lost EVERYTHING I typed!
This is not something we can deal of we can handle/accept. No way!
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Shows Samsung have not engineered the device properly. Even OnePlus got this right.
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Yeah, but it got an update to correct this issue. Originally it wasn't right. I remember watching some videos on YouTube about it. So I really have hope Samsung will fix this pretty soon also!
There should be an update for sure Even S7E have a better RAM management. I understand killing games but Youtube and browser or other light apps? Cmon Samsung that's plain stupid.
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I truly don't bother about milliseconds delay when opening apps or even seconds more to open games (nowadays it's even pretty rare to me playing games, to be honest), as we saw in the video. The real deal is this frustrating, disappointing and, mainly, irritating "reload everything issue" that was so much discussed when Note 5 was released and recently was so criticized also about the latest 1+ device.
We expect low end devices to throw a cold water bucket on our heads while reloading everything we pick under recent apps, but this is unacceptable for the most expensive phone in the world! This is so basic.
And this is not something about not being real life. This is something about the same issue that Note 5 (don't know if S7 also) faced. You don't need to open multiple games. Just alternate between some light apps and this will be sufficient to TouchWiz kill them at background.
Also, this is ridiculous for a phone that claims itself to be a multitasking monster and it's even able to open multiple apps at once at the same time, splitting screen and/or through those bubbles S Pen feature.
For example, I'm writing all of this using my Note 3 and already alterned between weather app, Google app, Inbox and even Google Translator to help me writing this. Just imagine now if I was using Note 7 and this f* Samsung TouchWiz killing background apps thing just reloaded all my 4 Chrome tabs when I returned to it! I would have lost EVERYTHING I typed!
This is not something we can deal of we can handle/accept. No way!
Yeah, but it got an update to correct this issue. Originally it wasn't right. I remember watching some videos on YouTube about it. So I really have hope Samsung will fix this pretty soon also!
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My point is that Oneplus is a tiny company compared to Samsung. Samsung should get it right when their product is double the price of the Oneplus 3.
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PsiPhiDan said:
I understand some frustration, but so people really treat their phones this way in real life? How much app switching do you do? 1 second versus 0.8 seconds really isn't a big deal for most people. Canceling an order over this seems a bit... Hasty.
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So, you're telling me you're okay with paying $900 for a device that has 4gb of RAM yet can't even keep two apps running in the background with said RAM? Because that's sad. I feel like people who downplay this have no idea how a smartphone is supposed to work. If you need an example, see the Galaxy S7 an S7 Edge, both made by Samsung, both of which handle RAM management very well. There is literally no excuse for Samsung to set the app cache settings so low on this phone.
People try to defend them by saying "battery life", but that just speaks to a severe ignorance in how RAM is utilized. Sure, if you have a badly coded app running in the background, it will take some extra battery, but for the most part, it takes MORE battery to reload the apps over and over because that's taxing the processor. It's also inexcusable on a device that is supposed to be a multitasking powerhouse for power users.
Hasty? Practical. I fell for Samsung's crap last year with the Note 5 and didn't return it in time. It took them months and an entire new version of Android to rectify the bad RAM management in that device and mine sat in a drawer because I couldn't stand to use it in its crippled state. I'm not going through that again. Not when there are devices for half the price that actually perform like they should.
I have the note 5 and my background apps rarely reload when I switch back and forth.
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I have the note 5 and my background apps rarely reload when I switch back and forth.
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I can't believe this video has been posted in three different threads in this and the T-Mobile Note7 forum. Comparing any Android phone to an iPhone is like comparing a diesel car to a gasoline powered one. The two OS's are totally different in their approach to performance. The iPhone 6 with 1GB of RAM out benchmarked Android and the 6s only has 2MB of RAM. There are threads here where people are up in arms the Note7 only has 4GB.
As for memory management there's a balance between keeping multiple apps alive in the background for convenience and keeping too many open which impacts battery life. This is what caused all the recent drama with the OnePlus 3 and its 6GB of RAM keeping fewer apps open than the S7-series. Here's a quote from the OnePlus founder.
After a comparison video earlier this week showed us that the OnePlus 3’s 6GB of RAM might not give it the insane multitasking capabilities we all hoped, OnePlus CEO Carl Pei has responded with a few clarifications surrounding RAM management on the OnePlus 3. On paper, 6GB of RAM would lead most users to believe that they could easily have several apps open at a time without anything reloading, however upon getting devices, many users have found that the phone can only hold 3 or 4 apps in memory before removing them. Why is that the case? Pei [the OnePlus founder] quite simply responded by saying that OnePlus has a “different strategy for RAM management that benefits battery”. While battery is definitely a valid concern with the OnePlus 3 considering the smaller 3,000 mAh capacity, it’s definitely a bit disappointing to see performance given up in exchange. That said however, there is a way to get around this. Carl Pei explained in another tweet that the RAM management can be adjusted in third-party ROMs. So with other ROMs that should be released pretty soon, developers could easily change the RAM management to a far less aggressive setting. A potential fix using the first party ROM is currently floating around on XDA, but Pei reminds us that RAM management is handled by more than just the build.prop, so don’t put too much faith in that “fix”.
http://9to5google.com/2016/06/17/on...-surrounding-ram-management-on-the-oneplus-3/
Samsung took huge flack on the S6 because it only kept 3-4 background apps alive. It improved on the Note5 to 5-7 which is what I've experienced over the past year. I'd expect similar performance in the Note7. With all the unique strengths and features the Note7 has if the number of background apps open is a top priority maybe folks should reconsider their purchase decision.
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What's wrong with doing that ? If you see that the gasoline powered one is much faster, that might then be a reason to buy that one. Even more so if it's cheaper (like the iphone is nowadays).
As for memory management there's a balance between keeping multiple apps alive in the background for convenience and keeping too many open which impacts battery life. This is what caused all the recent drama with the OnePlus 3 and its 6GB of RAM keeping fewer apps open than the S7-series. Here's a quote from the OnePlus founder.
After a comparison video earlier this week showed us that the OnePlus 3’s 6GB of RAM might not give it the insane multitasking capabilities we all hoped, OnePlus CEO Carl Pei has responded with a few clarifications surrounding RAM management on the OnePlus 3. On paper, 6GB of RAM would lead most users to believe that they could easily have several apps open at a time without anything reloading, however upon getting devices, many users have found that the phone can only hold 3 or 4 apps in memory before removing them. Why is that the case? Pei [the OnePlus founder] quite simply responded by saying that OnePlus has a “different strategy for RAM management that benefits battery”. While battery is definitely a valid concern with the OnePlus 3 considering the smaller 3,000 mAh capacity, it’s definitely a bit disappointing to see performance given up in exchange. That said however, there is a way to get around this. Carl Pei explained in another tweet that the RAM management can be adjusted in third-party ROMs. So with other ROMs that should be released pretty soon, developers could easily change the RAM management to a far less aggressive setting. A potential fix using the first party ROM is currently floating around on XDA, but Pei reminds us that RAM management is handled by more than just the build.prop, so don’t put too much faith in that “fix”.
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Ram usage itself has absolutely nothing to do with battery usage. Unused ram cells don't consume less battery. What this guy is saying though is that background processes can use CPU cycles: when accumulated CPU cycles cause the CPU to boost its speed, then it will have an impact on battery life. But that's more due to badly written apps, why would a game that the user is not playing want to stress the CPU ? It's like facebook, that's a perfect example of a horrible written app. Regardless off how many apps you are running, that app will drain battery due to doing tons of stuff in the background and keeping your phone awake. So it's not a matter of how many apps you are running simultaneously, it's a matter of which apps you are running.
Entitlement runs amok. Nobody has a gun to your head and is forcing you to buy it. The other 99% of people who would buy this phone won't care.
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Entitlement runs amok. Nobody has a gun to your head and is forcing you to buy it. The other 99% of people who would buy this phone won't care.
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Man it's just frustration. We all want to buy this phone because it looks so sleak, has this nice catchy iris scanner etc. But then again, it means you'll have to deal with Touchwiz and all of its problems and Samsung's horrible update policy again. The alternative is buying the HTC Nexus next month but that device doesn't nearly look as cool, let alone have new features like an iris scanner. If Samsung would make the Nexus, now that would be a device to look forward to
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Man it's just frustration. We all want to buy this phone because it looks so sleak, has this nice catchy iris scanner etc. But then again, it means you'll have to deal with Touchwiz and all of its problems and Samsung's horrible update policy again. The alternative is buying the HTC Nexus next month but that device doesn't nearly look as cool, let alone have new features like an iris scanner. If Samsung would make the Nexus, now that would be a device to look forward to
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You can't have it both ways nor can you expect Samsung to listen to bunch of people on xda to devote time and resources to fix things. The limitations of Touchwiz can be 80% mitigated by spending $2 on Nova Prime if you truly hate it.
People need to seriously prioritize what they expect in the phone. Again, nobody is forcing you to buy the phone and if RAM managment or an unlocked bootloader is really that necessary, get a HTC, OnePlus, or the upcoming Nexus. I expect people who can afford a $850 phone to have other more important priorities in their purchasing decisions.
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Comparing any Android phone to an iPhone is like comparing
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It was also compared to the Note 5 which had the same issue until it was eventually fixed. This information was available in the OP had you read instead of skimmed.
And it doesn't matter what OS is running: Android, IOS, Mac, Windows, Linux, etc., no app should completely reload after it has already been started.
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I have the note 5 and my background apps rarely reload when I switch back and forth.
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If you had read the post above yours, you would have noticed that the issue had been subsequently fixed in a later patch on the Note 5.
Come on, people: read, don't skim.
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The limitations of Touchwiz can be 80% mitigated by spending $2 on Nova Prime if you truly hate it.
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That's nonsense. A launcher itself wont change anything regarding the deeper/core android processes like the ram management.
I expect people who can afford a $850 phone to have other more important priorities in their purchasing decisions.
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I dont know. What I do know is that a lot of Iphone users buy the phone, partly, because they love the smoothness of the interface. In fact I recently spoke to a friend of mine who is a really smart university grad in IT, I found out he was on Iphone which surprised me a bit. When I asked him why he said he couldnt stand Android's interface. I said "You mean Touchwiz". He said "what" ? Lol. What I'm saying is, most people dont even know what Touchwiz is, but they do see that a Samsung phone is just not running as smooth as an iphone and I'm 100% confident that that DOES cause people to buy an iphone over a Galaxy.
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I expect people who can afford a $850 phone to have other more important priorities in their purchasing decisions.
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If you're paying for the most expensive device available, you will want to do with it whatever you want (unlocked bootloader, ROM it, etc.). It should operate near-flawlessly. Or quickly be patched to. You should demand the absolute best.
Telling people to just accept whatever they get when spending that much money for a device is just unacceptable. Like the old adage goes:
"You get what you pay for."
There's a reason why there are cheaper vehicles, boats, homes, etc. The cheaper they are, the less you're going to get out of them.
Multi-tasking is non-existent when apps reload after they've already been loaded. This is a deal-breaker. I won't be purchasing this device now until it's been fixed. There's zero excuses for a the most expensive flagship device available to have such a glaring and easily-fixable flaw.
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That's nonsense. A launcher itself wont change anything regarding the deeper android processes like the ram management.
I dont know. What I do know is that a lot of Iphone users buy the phone, partly, because they love the smoothness of the interface. In fact I recently spoke to a friend of mine who is a really smart university grad in IT, I found out he was on Iphone which surprised me a bit. When I asked him why he said he couldnt stand Android's interface. I said "You mean Touchwiz". He said "what" ? Lol. What I'm saying is, most people dont even know what Touchwiz is, but they do see that a Samsung phone is just not running as smooth as an iphone and I'm 100% confident that that DOES cause people to buy an iphone over a Galaxy.
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I was responding directly to the Touchwiz comment and it's limitations. The RAM management issues go beyond Touchwiz and is probably kernel related.
So who cares about why people by an Iphone vs. a Samsung? It's not like Samsung is losing sleep over the perceived crappy RAM management of their phones affecting sales. I still state that people who can afford a flagship Samsung phone vs. other android phones have other priorities than worrying about this stuff when making their purchase. Things like design, a S-pen, smaller form factors for a given screen size, wireless charging, etc. would be better justifications. Again, if you need the other stuff for dev work or "full" control, get another phone. Samsung won't change anything for people here on XDA so it's pointless having angst over this stuff.
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If you're paying for the most expensive device available, you will want to do with it whatever you want (unlocked bootloader, ROM it, etc.). It should operate near-flawlessly. Or quickly be patched to. You should demand the absolute best.
Telling people to just accept whatever they get when spending that much money for a device is just unacceptable. Like the old adage goes:
"You get what you pay for."
There's a reason why there are cheaper vehicles, boats, homes, etc. The cheaper they are, the less you're going to get out of them.
Multi-tasking is non-existent when apps reload after they've already been loaded. This is a deal-breaker. I won't be purchasing this device now until it's been fixed. There's zero excuses for a the most expensive flagship device available to have such a glaring and easily-fixable flaw.
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Maybe for you but for the 99% of the people purchasing this phone who cares? People don't refuse to buy BMWs anymore because they took away the dipstick to check oil (which they have for close to the past 10 years). Don't think for a minute that you're important enough for Samsung to care that you won't buy the phone because of perceived flaws. I find it hilarious when people ***** about not having root or an unlocked bootloader on a phone and when they finally do get that they cry about not being able to use Samsung Pay. Duh...that's the reason why these phones are locked to begin with.
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I was responding directly to the Touchwiz comment and it's limitations. The RAM management issues go beyond Touchwiz and is probably kernel related.
So who cares about why people by an Iphone vs. a Samsung? It's not like Samsung is losing sleep over the perceived crappy RAM management of their phones affecting sales. I still state that people who can afford a flagship Samsung phone vs. other android phones have other priorities than worrying about this stuff when making their purchase. Things like design, a S-pen, smaller form factors for a given screen size, wireless charging, etc. would be better justifications. Again, if you need the other stuff for dev work or "full" control, get another phone. Samsung won't change anything for people here on XDA so it's pointless having angst over this stuff.
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I think Samsung could have pushed Iphone out of the market by now if they had delivered phones that would beat the iphone in every aspect. Samsung's hardware is usually better but their software department is horrible and extremely slow in pushing out updates. The whole reason Iphone still exists is that Samsung is just not delivering what a lot of users want. In fact, if I didnt hate Itunes that much I'd probably kiss Android goodbye and buy an iphone (it works the other way around too, apple could have killed Samsung too, at least in the flagship department, if they listened a bit better to what people want, or did you actually meet someone who likes Itunes ?)