At my company we have a SonicWall in the TZ series and all VPN tunneling is done over a L2TP/IPSEC PSK connection using 3DES encryption. There are several PCs (no Macs) that use the VPN. There is one iPad. My boss is very intrigued by the latest Verizon iPhone announcement. I agree that the iPhone may work as well as the iPad already does. We are switching away from AT&T and currently have no investment in iPhones. Most of the phones are Blackberries. A carrier or OS choice hasn't yet been made.
In our tests using the Vibrant, connecting to the VPN using Android was not difficult per se but seemed to require use of DES instead of 3DES. Is this really the case? It would require we downgrade (and reconfigure) the VPN and all the clients that connect if Android was to be used for even one employee. If so, it will probably mean Android will be overlooked as an enterprise solution. What is desired is something that works with our existing infrastructure. I wanted to confirm whether others found Android to be lacking here as well or if it's just my inexperience. I'd like to recommend Android for the enterprise but can't ATM.
Confirmed that it uses DES instead of 3DES, but from what i know, I9000 (International Galaxy S) uses a different encryption than the Vibrant counterpart. I'm not so sure whether it is a 3DES encryption or some other.
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well i buy vpn connection for android from pure vpn in i had problem but now i am using ok service....
@purevpn - That's great, however I have no problem actually connecting to the VPN. I just was hoping that I was wrong about how lame the security feature set in the Vibrant / perhaps even Android in general. It would appear that I was not unless anyone else has anything further.
I'm working in an environment with wifi coverage but no phone service, and would like to equip some people with (rooted) Android phones to serve as portable wifi phones/data terminals. What is a decent-quality phone, hopefully reasonably cheap, preferably one common in the US, that has good non-factory ROM support?
On a related question: Anyone know if there's a decent walkie-talkie-style push-to-talk app that will run on a (non-internet-connected) wifi network out there? Preferably one that can be left running without running the battery down?
Why ASUS didn't include 3G into this tablet, nowdays thats like a must thing to do... with that would be perfect tablet!
Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
nook-color said:
Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
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Couldn't they just do an unlocked 3G version without having any connection to wireless companies?
For personal use i don't think i will need 3g much. If/When i do, i have my rooted phone to tether to. So i don't see 3G as that needed a feature. And after following a lot of tech blogs and such it seems a lot of the people commenting are wanting wifi tablets only a lot too. So That could be part of it. Also until they have a shared data plan, cause who wants to pay for 2 data plans, i don't see my self paying for 3g even if it had the radio to do it.
However, for business use i would like one with 3g in it. Since i wouldn't trust people to know how to tether much less have a phone that can tether. So in this case simpler is much better. So for business use i will need to look at a different product which makes me sad. and if the treasurer for our non-profit has her way it will be a ipad ... which makes me very very sad. So a 3G model would have been awesome as well.
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Couldn't they just do an unlocked 3G version without having any connection to wireless companies?
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Correct me if i am wrong, but 3G isn't like cellular networks right? It has to be someone certain radio signal to work correctly meaning you have to work with that company ( be it at&t t-mobile version or sprint or who ever).
Like why the at&t iphone will work on t-moblie but it doesn't have t-moblies radios so you can't get 3G.
And say they just put AT&T radios in with out asking for whatever ( i don't know if you can do that or if it even matters, but just say they did) if at&T didn't want to support the device they could just block the device and not sell plans to it.
So i don't think it is just as easy as "unlocked 3G"
The dock has a USB port, so just connect a mobile data dongle to it?
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The dock has a USB port, so just connect a mobile data dongle to it?
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Can android interpret the data dongle natively?(like Linux (at least it did on Linux Mint last time i tired)) or will a custom app need to be made for it to work if it works at all? (like windows). it is a interesting idea though. If it doesn't work out of the box (i doubt it but never know) someone should really make an app that will make it work. Since i already have a data dongle thing somewhere. lol
Sprint might be getting it if you look at their CES invite the folds look just like that origami screen cover!
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Correct me if i am wrong, but 3G isn't like cellular networks right? It has to be someone certain radio signal to work correctly meaning you have to work with that company ( be it at&t t-mobile version or sprint or who ever).
Like why the at&t iphone will work on t-moblie but it doesn't have t-moblies radios so you can't get 3G.
And say they just put AT&T radios in with out asking for whatever ( i don't know if you can do that or if it even matters, but just say they did) if at&T didn't want to support the device they could just block the device and not sell plans to it.
So i don't think it is just as easy as "unlocked 3G"
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I'm not the best source about this information, so please excuse me if I'm wrong. But I thought that most 3G were on similar frequencies, and therefore it would be easy to make a 3G antenna which could communicate on all of them. The reason why I ask, is that I had a T-Mobile Android phone and brought it to the UK a few months ago, and can use it on any network here (since it's unlocked), and only have to change the network operators (or something like that, I can't exactly recall) info so it connects to the right towers. And it works perfectly fine. If I can do that with a crappy old Android phone, why couldn't it be done with Transformer?
But on the whole, I agree with you. It's so much cheaper to buy a tethering plan for most phones than it would be to give it its own 3G service, that for most people just doing a wireless hotspot with their phone would make more sense. But it's still a legitimate question for some people
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Can android interpret the data dongle natively?(like Linux (at least it did on Linux Mint last time i tired)) or will a custom app need to be made for it to work if it works at all? (like windows). it is a interesting idea though. If it doesn't work out of the box (i doubt it but never know) someone should really make an app that will make it work. Since i already have a data dongle thing somewhere. lol
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I know that Archos uses a dongle that slides into the tablet that is powered by USB, so it's not impossible. But I don't know if it's naively implanted.
And if not, maybe some dev's can port the software from the archos devices to the prime to get a USB dongle to work.
I will personally use a wifi modem, that way it doesn't even use the battery of the tab, and I could share the connexion with whoever I want.
I just put my phone in hotspot mode when I need a connection and Wifi is not available. But in that last 2 years I have only had to do that 3 or 4 times. I don't see any need for 3/4g, and the associated extra costs, in a tablet.
Personally I would never pay extra for a 3g version and then have to pay a monthly fee on top of that. In Canada at least the monthly fee is not that cheap.
I wonder if there are stats on how many of each of the ipad models were sold? The original and ipad2 were both released with a 3g model at launch right? It would be interesting to see how big the 3g market is
Probably just to keep costs down. And I honestly don't view 3G as a must do thing. It'll be a while before people start to see data plans attached to devices as a given. Right now, if I need internet while I'm out and about with my tablet I just set up my phone as a hotspot. It's still a bit rare when I feel the need for internet when I'm not at home (most of the time I'll be reading or watching things already stored) but it came in handy while waiting in line for Black Friday.
as the prime is already available for some, could you please test if a 3G dongle works? my interest is not so much in internet connectivity but using mobile TV which only works via 3G here and not over a wifi connection due to legal requirements..
I heard somewhere that they don't because it's not a very popular market. They are aware most people have data plans on their phones and don't want to spend extra on a separate plan for a tablet. Plus most people will just tether from there phones if they need to connect out of wifi range.
3G would be nice in theory, but I wouldn't be willing to pay for another data subscription when I already have one for my phone.
3G does indeed run on different frequencies. especially in the US, it's a giant clusterfuck of various bands that carriers use as well as completely different technologies for it.
verizon and sprint both use CDMA and different freq
tmobile and at&t both use GSM (like most of europe) at run at different freq. (it's the reason an unlocked iphone will work on tmobile, but you won't get 3g on it.)
for asus to come out with a 3g (or 4g) enabled tablet in the states, it would mean working with some provider to support and sell it, which asus being such a small player would be tough to get any of the big providers to get on board.
one solution would be to install a quad or penta band gsm radio in it (like the galaxy nexus) and let people use it however they want, but then cost comes into play.
personally, i've never seen the draw to 3g enabled tablets, as most people who have one also have a smartphone that they can probably tether to the device.
if i really wanted to get 3g and not tether in some way, i'd probably rather get a hotspot for the same price (service wise) and not use up my tablets battery powering the radio and also be able to connect multiple devices to it.
maybe i shouldn't have replied to this thread but created a new one
what i asked is whether a 3G dongle would work (similar to what archos does), but i guess not
asus could support that and not care about a 3G tablet version, only put the drivers and apps into the firmware.
3G connectivity is cheap in austria, unlimited data plan (without throttle) with 10mbit/s for 15 euros/month (or even much cheaper with throttle), but as i said, i'd only need it for mobile TV.
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Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
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The U.S. isn't like the rest of the world. With the exception of Asus, all the manufacturers offer both 3G and Wi-Fi versions of their tablets. Some of what's available in the U.S. are adaptations of those. And data plans in a lot of countries aren't as expensive and don't lock you in to two-year contracts making 3G much more popular outside the U.S.
Asus said in the spring they'd launch a 3G version of the TF1. In November, they sent them out to reviewers. It's still not released and may never be. Apparently, Asus isn't big on 3G.
http://www.tabletbite.com/3g-asus-transformer-spotted-wild-picture-4316/
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For personal use i don't think i will need 3g much. If/When i do, i have my rooted phone to tether to. So i don't see 3G as that needed a feature. And after following a lot of tech blogs and such it seems a lot of the people commenting are wanting wifi tablets only a lot too.
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I have a HSPA+ 21 UK tablet that I use on AT&T. It's $20 a month with unlimited data and MMS because it's just another non-smartphone on my account. Tethering is a pain in the ass. Get out the phone, turn on Wi-Fi sharing, connect the tablet, disconnect the tablet, turn off Wi-Fi sharing. If you forget the last thing you're phone's battery is shot. It's shot anyway becasue Wi-Fi sharing's a huge drain. Connecting a tablet after it's been offline's also a pain while you wait for everything to sync before you can start using it. With all the carriers (except Sprint) starting to throttle for excessive usage splitting data over two devices keeps each devices data usage down. I'm usually at 4-6GB a month on both my phone and tablet individually. It's great when you're traveling to be able just whip the tablet out quickly and start using it. I'm not selling anyone on the idea of 3G but it has its advantages.
And there's zero chance the Prime has a GSM radio in it. It wasn't shown in the tear down and wasn't in the sample sent to the FCC for clearance.
yea i had a xoom and phone and it was too much to pay for data so now im just goona hotspot it and not pay $40 for something i dont need.
Hi everyone
This may sound like an odd question but we need to block our daughter from accessing the Internet and playing games when she should be doing her schoolwork. We’ve tried blocking UPNP to stop her gaming but it hasn’t worked, and as she does need occasional Internet access totally blocking her (which I can easily do from our BT Homehub 2) isn’t really an option and doesn’t always work.
The problem with completely blocking her is that there’s an open unsecured wifi network nearby which she’s apparently hooking up to if we disconnect her from ours.
So, without taking her laptop off her (which she does actually need) is there any way we can block her from accessing the other network? If I knew who’s it was I’d advise them that it’s unsecured and ask them to fix it, but I don’t.
A colleague in work suggested setting up a wifi hotspot on an Android phone and giving it the same name as the other network (or even as ours), and as the signal from the phone would be stronger, her laptop would probably logon to the Android hotspot instead. As mobile data’s generally slower than wifi it may also be too slow for her gaming. I can’t try this as I don’t have an Android phone, but if it was likely to work I’d buy one - Carphone Warehouse have an Alcatel Android phone for about £30 which can be used as a hotspot.
Does anyone know if there’s any way of setting up a hotspot without actually having a connection to the Internet, via Android or otherwise?
It’s becoming a game of minds now between us and our daughter, and we sort of need to let her know we’re the parents, but without coming down too hard or her just yet.
Thanks.
Sam
I have been an Apple user since BlackBerry died with their BlackBerry 10 OS. I have actually never touched an Android phone or even checked the OS and I don’t know someone with an Android to test stuff.
I was looking for a mobile hotspot (MiFi) device and these things are not just as expensive as good Android phones but also not good for many reasons as being limited to a few bands making them good for use in a region but not the other and I do travel often and the fact all it does is be a hotspot.
I was thinking Pixel 5 or Pixel 6/6a but I wanted to know how is Pixel when it comes to doing hotspot.
I ask because iOS suck at it because:
It times out when traffic stops and turns off and no way to stop that from happening
iOS devices which is what we mainly use, won’t sync with iCloud if connected to an iOS hotspot
iOS forces AP Isolation meaning devices connected to a hotspot can’t cross communicate over local network or see each other (which is bad for streaming devices like Google TV/Apple TV)
Carriers can easily enforce a limit on number of devices connected or even disable hotspot altogether but I heard this is not as easy for carriers to do on unlocked Android phones, and also can still be gotten around with third party apps without root (?)
I’d expect a Pixel can give advantage over a mobile hotspot device because I can use phone data plans and not be restricted to just mobile hotspot/tablets data plans. It also is a phone so serves as a backup phone.
So my question is:
How is the hotspot feature on Pixel 5/6
Is there any speed restrictions or they fast as data comes in
Is AP Isolation forced or can it be disabled
I believe I can disable the auto timeout, right?
What is the maximum number of devices can be connected at once over WiFi?
Is 5 GHz stable on it? I know it isn’t on iPhone 13 Pro Max
1. It serves me pretty well. A12/13 is pretty vague in the settings :/
2. I've been able to pull my full cell bandwidth through hotspot, though I tend to stick to PDAnet as this hides my limited hotspot usage. It is slower but worth.
3. TBH I've never heard of AP Isolation, I just assumed it created one WAP.
4. I've never tried but I imagine as many as one subnet can fit (so 255? But tell me you'll have over 10 and I'll be impressed)
5. Yep! Though I tend to keep to 2.4GHz as this lets me sling off of 5GHz wifi networks as well.
Works pretty good for me, if you're root and want to get a few extra functionality you might want to try out vpn hotspot