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Hi.
This is my first post on xda, and I am hoping to learn a lot whilst I am here.
I am not expecting any help here, but there has been small hype about getting android onto this phone. And I understand that you may be critical about noobs like me expecting an easy fix from you.
I appreciate that the idea makes no sense from many perspectives, this is mine.
I purchased the windows 7 phone 3 months ago, I was a complete idiot and fell for the sales pitch, the salesman promised me the earth, he said I would be able to WiFi Tether on the next update, he told me it would be better then the android evo 4 that I wanted.
As you are probably aware, I am a complete fool. I have however spent many hours on the phone with a certain mobile phone outlett, and my provider, neither will help. And I am stuck with the phone till 2013.
The phone's buyback price has gone down to 1/3rd what it was on the day I bought the phone.
I have now made it my mission to get this phone to run android. I feel so strongly I may even remove the windows logo from the bottom of my touch-screen.
I have already researched some, and expect days more research before I'll be able to do, whatever it is I need to do.
I am and will be keeping a log, of all my research, and hopefully can use what I learn to help people out later on.
So....
Any comments, or questions or support?
CleverNoob
I have picked up a few things. And therefore want to clarify,
I don't want to dual boot the 2 OS's, I want to REMOVE windows 7 and replace it with Android.
From what I gather this means I need to develop an android ROM to work with the mozart, and then Flash it to the phone...?
So my logical mind tells me to look for the android ROM that works on the most similar spec phone.
I am however aware that the firmware or something is different in the mozart, from the HD7 and does not allow for certain android commands to work, therefore the ROM (gingerbread?) used on the HD7 will not be remotely compatible with the HD7?
It seems that there may be a few options for the actual flashing of the ROM already available... So I am going to concentrate on learning more about ROM development now.
If anyone wants to correct me, point me in the right direction, or hurl abuse at me... feel free to do so
I do not know all that much about ROM development.
What about drivers though? Sure it is fine for the chipset as there are Android devices with the same chipset (CPU and GPU)... Although the WiFi, bluetooth, radio etc. I guess it's built into the SoC?
Drivers for the screen, capacitive buttons, camera etc?
I think if you look around, you should be able to find a phone similar to htc mozart and the name which comes to my mind is Nexus one and htc desire...
Although it depends on you that you extract drivers from the OS of both of those android based phones then extract drivers from your mozart and compare if they have same chipset....
I really wonder if it's possible to do all this virtually instead of physically installing OSes on phones for development purposes.
You didnt give up did ya mate!
All of the Australia Telstra Community who got Conned into buying the Mozart over an iPhone due to This Service Provider not having a Contract with Apple are 'root'ing for your Success
just checking if i got it right...
you want android in the mozart just to enable wifi tethering.
well, FYI, its been done and done bro, just unlock your device and install any of the excellent custom ROMs here. my notebook is tethered to my mozart right now.
but if you want to further explore the capabilities of the hardware, no worries- many good samaritans are already doing that. explore the development forums here and thy shall learn!
take care!
Tethering is working now, even with Telstra and no unlocking (7720).
This is my first post too! I was about to post something like yours. I have an HTC Mozart too and I want to install an Android ROM on it though my reasons are different.
As a software developer I have no experience about ROM development but I'm very interested.
So what did you do until now? Any success?
Hey guys,
I'm new on to the forums here, I've been a member for a while but not really done anything with it.
Thats changed, I'm looking to learn as much as I can about android, about the OS in general, how it works, what it does, rooting, and how to get the most out of it as well as google play etc.
I want to learn some java so I can play with making my own apps etc. as well, but thats something I'm already looking at. I figured that I'd need to know about android to do it successfully.
I've had an android phone for a while, but I'm totally new to the inner workings of the OS, before it was just a phone to me, and now I want to get more from it. I figured this would be a decent place to get started and was hoping I could get a push in the right direction.
My current phone is a Sony Xperia S LT26i, I'm running Jelly bean and I think its safe to say I'm a definate Sony fan, I love the phone I have and am hoping to upgrade in a few months to the Z1 or something a bit newer (if they bring anything else out)
~Matt
Android LolliCrap 5.02 has totally screwed over my N7 2012 8GB, LolliCrap OS and accompanying support apps like Google Play are such Bloatware that none of my apps can update (insufficient space BS) when I had 1GB free before with OS 4.4.4!! Beside I HATE the new interface, it's SLOOOOOOOW and is some kind of nightmare! My M7 8GB is essentially BRICKED and useless now!! I hate you Google!
I also have a 2012 N7 32GB still running HAPPILY 4.4.4 and I want to keep it that way and NOT Screw it over too with any version of 5.x
HOW can I block the download of LolliCrap 5.x so it's not sitting there taking up Memory space because I will never install it and how can I block all future Android OS updates??? I'd rather NOT Root if at all possible, I'm not sure I'm technically qualified to Root my N7's.
I used to be a huge fan of Google and Android, this POS LolliCrap really has me pissed off .... I just may go and buy the "enemy" iFad Mini now!!
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Android LolliCrap 5.02 has totally screwed over my N7 2012 8GB, LolliCrap OS and accompanying support apps like Google Play are such Bloatware that none of my apps can update (insufficient space BS) when I had 1GB free before with OS 4.4.4!! Beside I HATE the new interface, it's SLOOOOOOOW and is some kind of nightmare! My M7 8GB is essentially BRICKED and useless now!! I hate you Google!
I also have a 2012 N7 32GB still running HAPPILY 4.4.4 and I want to keep it that way and NOT Screw it over too with any version of 5.x
HOW can I block the download of LolliCrap 5.x so it's not sitting there taking up Memory space because I will never install it and how can I block all future Android OS updates??? I'd rather NOT Root if at all possible, I'm not sure I'm technically qualified to Root my N7's.
I used to be a huge fan of Google and Android, this POS LolliCrap really has me pissed off .... I just may go and buy the "enemy" iFad Mini now!!
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Without root, you can't block the updates. I'm using a custom 5.0 rom on my 2012 N7 and it's actually pretty snappy. I also changed the file system to F2FS and cranked up the GPU speeds though so that might have something to do with it. The Nexus stuff is one of the easiest things to root out there. I believe there are ways to do so without even unlocking the bootloader, which will require wiping the device completely. There are tool kits in the forum for your device that should help you do this with minimal effort.
Rooting is something I have not even attempted, can anyone recommend a tutorial, video and how to accomplish the rooting process on a N7 2012 for a newbie to rooting?? I've been in IT, but the hardware end, so I'm not tech challenged, just no experience on the SW Hacking side. I've got to get my N7 2012 32GB model blocked before it's devastated by 5.02 too!!
I'd also like to "Revert" my already "attacked" N7 8GB 2012 back to KitKat 4.4.4, is that possible? I've looked at Android OS DL's but which model name is the 2012 N7? "nakasi" or which??
Any help and suggestions from the experts on the forum appreciated.
VintageGuitarz said:
Rooting is something I have not even attempted, can anyone recommend a tutorial, video and how to accomplish the rooting process on a N7 2012 for a newbie to rooting?? I've been in IT, but the hardware end, so I'm not tech challenged, just no experience on the SW Hacking side. I've got to get my N7 2012 32GB model blocked before it's devastated by 5.02 too!!
I'd also like to "Revert" my already "attacked" N7 8GB 2012 back to KitKat 4.4.4, is that possible? I've looked at Android OS DL's but which model name is the 2012 N7? "nakasi" or which??
Any help and suggestions from the experts on the forum appreciated.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766475
This tool / thread will have everything you need. You can root and downgrade with it. The "manual" way is not difficult either. You were correct, it is the "nakasi" model. Just need the drivers installed, extract the folder from the download (use 7zip if you don't have an app on your PC already for those kinds of files), reboot to the bootloader screen (power off then power on by holding Vol Down and Power), plug into the PC and make sure the drivers load, then double click the flash-all.bat file in the folder and let it do it's thing.
Thanks.
Gentlemen,
Thanks for all the information and I will review the links you supplied and I will take a shot at Rooting my 2 N7 2012's to keep any nasty 5.0x updates off until Google comes to their senses! Serously, 8 days after Android 5.02 invaded my N7 8GB, it still runs like crap, balks, stalls, crashes, even Services crashes and stalls routinely. .... Google has made a mess of this version of Android OS 5.x, damn them. All just to serve their stupid "wearable" as I have read on several Android sites. Google is turning into CrApple.
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Gentlemen,
Thanks for all the information and I will review the links you supplied and I will take a shot at Rooting my 2 N7 2012's to keep any nasty 5.0x updates off until Google comes to their senses! Serously, 8 days after Android 5.02 invaded my N7 8GB, it still runs like crap, balks, stalls, crashes, even Services crashes and stalls routinely. .... Google has made a mess of this version of Android OS 5.x, damn them. All just to serve their stupid "wearable" as I have read on several Android sites. Google is turning into CrApple.
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I often find issues like that are caused from not resetting your device after OTAs. This kind of thing happens often enough between jumping OS versions, and is not just for the Nexus, but I've seen and read about it for every manufacturer, and even for Apple devices. There are plenty of people using Lollipop on the N7 without issues. Just every device is a bit different, even before you start adding your own apps and data.
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I often find issues like that are caused from not resetting your device after OTAs. This kind of thing happens often enough between jumping OS versions, and is not just for the Nexus, but I've seen and read about it for every manufacturer, and even for Apple devices. There are plenty of people using Lollipop on the N7 without issues. Just every device is a bit different, even before you start adding your own apps and data.
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I beg to greatly differ with your opinion regarding the number of Nexus owners (at least older models) having problems with Lollipop OS, along with owners of other brands of phones and tablets. While looking for reason for all the problems I've experienced and how to fix or revert back to KitKat 4.4.4 (because it worked flawlessly) and how to block further Lollicrap 5.0x updates, I've "Googled" and visited at least 30 of 40 different forums, blogs, postings and news reports that EVERYONE chastises, complains and hates Lollicrap 5.0x. Even Bloomberg News has runs a few news stories about why everyone hates Android 5.0x Lollipop and won;t use it. Several Tech writers have pointed out that the main purpose of Lollicrap 5.0x is to promote Google's android based "Wearable" and obviously from all the complaints by us, we've been sacrificed for their greed.
Sorry, If I got to wipe out all my app installs and start all over again with a "reset", I won't waste my time with Buggy and Kluged LolliCrAp 5.0x anything and these will be the last Google product I'll ever buy ..... they've become CrApple! All for the money of it and screw the previous model owners. My next new Tablet will be a Surface Pro.
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I beg to greatly differ with your opinion regarding the number of Nexus owners (at least older models) having problems with Lollipop OS, along with owners of other brands of phones and tablets. While looking for reason for all the problems I've experienced and how to fix or revert back to KitKat 4.4.4 (because it worked flawlessly) and how to block further Lollicrap 5.0x updates, I've "Googled" and visited at least 30 of 40 different forums, blogs, postings and news reports that EVERYONE chastises, complains and hates Lollicrap 5.0x. Even Bloomberg News has runs a few news stories about why everyone hates Android 5.0x Lollipop and won;t use it. Several Tech writers have pointed out that the main purpose of Lollicrap 5.0x is to promote Google's android based "Wearable" and obviously from all the complaints by us, we've been sacrificed for their greed.
Sorry, If I got to wipe out all my app installs and start all over again with a "reset", I won't waste my time with Buggy and Kluged LolliCrAp 5.0x anything and these will be the last Google product I'll ever buy ..... they've become CrApple! All for the money of it and screw the previous model owners. My next new Tablet will be a Surface Pro.
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Human nature - people are more likely to post complaining about things than complimenting them. Name an update on any device that you can't find people having issues with. Nature of the beast. But as I mentioned, the problems you are experiencing are very typical of issues with OTA updates and not factory resetting the device.
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Human nature - people are more likely to post complaining about things than complimenting them. Name an update on any device that you can't find people having issues with. Nature of the beast. But as I mentioned, the problems you are experiencing are very typical of issues with OTA updates and not factory resetting the device.
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But you also have to take into account, that the vast majority of any device users, especially Smart Phones and Tablets, are not technologically "equipped" and DON'T B n C on-line and don't do postings looking for help, they just get pissed and move to another device or OS. So I postulate that all these hundreds of posts are an accurate reflection of the total percentage of people having issues with Android 5.0x and that since the tech media is taking note of it, it's the true nature of the problems. Sorry, my N7 2012 was pristine, ran perfectly under KitKat 4.4.4. If I'm having problems after and OTA update, so are the majority. It's just common sense and the odds.
VintageGuitarz said:
But you also have to take into account, that the vast majority of any device users, especially Smart Phones and Tablets, are not technologically "equipped" and DON'T B n C on-line and don't do postings looking for help, they just get pissed and move to another device or OS. So I postulate that all these hundreds of posts are an accurate reflection of the total percentage of pe If I'm having problems after and OTA update, so are the majority. It's just common sense and the odds.ople having issues with Android 5.0x and that since the tech media is taking note of it, it's the true nature of the problems. Sorry, my N7 2012 was pristine, ran perfectly under KitKat 4.4.4.
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So many leaps of logic, assumptions, and lack of understanding of how software updates work here, it's not even worth getting into. If you need help downgrading, I'd be more than happy to help though. You can hit me up on Hangouts @ my screen name if you'd like.
Apparently the 5.02 Lollicrap Update is down loaded to your N7 (maybe other devices as well) without your permission when connected online.
Where is it stored as a file, in what folder and can it be deleted, prior to Rooting the N7?
I'd like help with Rooting both of my N7's (2012's), returning one back to KitKat 4.4.4 and keeping the other 32GB 2012 N7 from ever being updated without my permission.
Thanks
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Apparently the 5.02 Lollicrap Update is down loaded to your N7 (maybe other devices as well) without your permission when connected online.
Where is it stored as a file, in what folder and can it be deleted, prior to Rooting the N7?
I'd like help with Rooting both of my N7's (2012's), returning one back to KitKat 4.4.4 and keeping the other 32GB 2012 N7 from ever being updated without my permission.
Thanks
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It should be in the /cache folder, which you won't have access to without root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766475
Everything you need will be in that thread. As long as the drivers are loaded correctly and you have a good USB cable, the toolkit should be able to do everything else as far as rooting and downgrading. Once you are rooted, then I think you should be able to stop notifications/downloads of the updates by following this 1st post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2429820
and / or might need to do this too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53169162&postcount=21
Or install a custom rom.
I'm not so cool with "Leaps" of logic in your instructions that seem to contain a lot of "I think", "should be ale to", or "and / or might need to do this too", or "Or install a custom rom". I've never Rooted anything, this seems more like guess work than a proven method and I'm not about to sacrifice my working 32GB N7 with KitKat 4.4.4 "experimenting".
By this loose method you're advising, my logic in saying the majority of Android users are pissed (referenced dozens and dozens of forum sites) but most silent about LolliCrap screwing up their devices, is like the proven theory of relativity.
I'll keep looking for a forum thread by someone that has, with no "might have to", or "should's" in the process.
Thanks anyway.
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I'm not so cool with "Leaps" of logic in your instructions that seem to contain a lot of "I think", "should be ale to", or "and / or might need to do this too", or "Or install a custom rom". I've never Rooted anything, this seems more like guess work than a proven method and I'm not about to sacrifice my working 32GB N7 with KitKat 4.4.4 "experimenting".
By this loose method you're advising, my logic in saying the majority of Android users are pissed (referenced dozens and dozens of forum sites) but most silent about LolliCrap screwing up their devices, is like the proven theory of relativity.
I'll keep looking for a forum thread by someone that has, with no "might have to", or "should's" in the process.
Thanks anyway.
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Sorry for not being more clear.
The update zip IS in the /cache folder, which you won't have access to without root.
The toolkit on from the link I provided has nothing to do with guess work as it is the easiest way to downgrade and root and has everything you need from the drivers to the root files to being able to download the 4.4.4 firmware and flash for you with very minimal interaction. As far as the notifications go, some people get away with one method, some have to do both. If you would feel more comfortable with someone helping via TeamViewer, I'd be willing to. I literally do this kind of stuff as a job and have experience with every kind of flashing, modding, upgrades, downgrades, etc for 100s of devices, as well as owning the same tablet you have.
Thanks for the clarifications, I'll download the Toolkit and run it to familiarize myself with it. If it looks confusing to me, I'll take you up on the offer to help using TeamViewer. I've used TV a few times with my IT clients.
Do you know which cashe folder Android stores the updates in? And once rooted and updates blocked, can I just delete that 5.02 file (I'm think my other 2012 N7 32GB which has not been updated)??
It's just in the /cache folder in the root of the OS. Yes, you can delete it without issue, though it's not going to give you any more usable apace as it's a different partition of the device that the normal data you save doesn't have access to. Still, might as well delete it.
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It's just in the /cache folder in the root of the OS. Yes, you can delete it without issue, though it's not going to give you any more usable apace as it's a different partition of the device that the normal data you save doesn't have access to. Still, might as well delete it.
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It's been a while and I still haven't Rooted my Nexus 7, been researching the mechanics of how to do it and what methods are available that a complete "rooting newbee" can use without getting over my head in quicksand and a bricked N7 (2012) instead of one taken back to Kitkat 4.4.4 from a screwed up buggy 5.02 OTA update.
I was looking at a tutorial for using " Wugfresh" tool and a comment was made that "Unlocking will wipe the device.". Is this true? Is this always the case when rooting and unlocking?
I don't want to "wipe" my N7, just root it and return it to 4.4.4.
I also read that the boot loader in the factory 4.4.4 is faulty and a lot of girations are needed to reinstall 4.4.4. Has anyone experienced this?
Appreciate the thoughts and ideas.
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It's been a while and I still haven't Rooted my Nexus 7, been researching the mechanics of how to do it and what methods are available that a complete "rooting newbee" can use without getting over my head in quicksand and a bricked N7 (2012) instead of one taken back to Kitkat 4.4.4 from a screwed up buggy 5.02 OTA update.
I was looking at a tutorial for using " Wugfresh" tool and a comment was made that "Unlocking will wipe the device.". Is this true? Is this always the case when rooting and unlocking?
I don't want to "wipe" my N7, just root it and return it to 4.4.4.
I also read that the boot loader in the factory 4.4.4 is faulty and a lot of girations are needed to reinstall 4.4.4. Has anyone experienced this?
Appreciate the thoughts and ideas.
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Literally just finished helping someone with downgrading back from LP because it wasn't working well for them either. You absolutely have to unlock the bootloader, which will wipe the device, no matter what you want to do - root / recovery / downgrade / etc. This is not an option as it is a security feature. There are so many ways to back up most of your stuff that it's really not THAT big of a deal. There are apps, Google, cloud storage, etc.
Yeah in doing my "research" on rooting to turn back the calendar to Kitkat 4.4.4 I've read more and more pretty pissed off N7 owners, seems to have hit the 2012 and 2013 model owners the most grievously.
Question then if I backup - since I'm on LP 5.02 on my 8GB N7 (2012) already, when I do a back up won't it also take with some of the LP oriented settings?
Is there a highly preferred BU method that will take everything from data, settings and apps so after I root and reinstall (flash?) 4.4.4 on a wiped N7 it puts everything back? Is there a BU method I can use to BU's to my PC, rather than a cloud? (I don't have a 8GB "cloud account with anyone)
Thanks very much.
Hi everyone,
Been lurking here now and again for a couple years but registered to seek some help with my Nexus 7 2012.
Since the Lollipop update my 1st gen N7 has become just this side of unusable. So I got it in my head to try something else, preferably Ubuntu touch since all the fixes for it in it's current state have proven ineffective and I am a long time Ubuntu/Linux user. I have searched and searched but finally decided to just ask since I cannot find an answer.
I am aware that Canonical is no longer supporting my 1st gen N7 with touch but I am hoping there is maybe an Ubuntu Touch ROM out there for my device that is still being maintained by someone else, and if so, could someone possibly point me to it please?
Or if there is some other alternative that I am not aware of that could make my device usable again, I am open to suggestions.
Thanks!
Sadly, you're right. The N7 2017 isn't among the officially supported devices anymore. And as far as I know, there's no unofficial version either.
You could, of course, start maintaining it again. I'm sure a lot of people would be very glad if you did.
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Sadly, you're right. The N7 2017 isn't among the officially supported devices anymore. And as far as I know, there's no unofficial version either.
You could, of course, start maintaining it again. I'm sure a lot of people would be very glad if you did.
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I wish I had those types of skills
Sadly, I am but a mere mortal with no programming chops at all. Maybe someone will have a suggestion or know a solution. I may post this in the main forum to get a few more eyeballs on it and see if anyone has a good idea of what I can do.
Just a bump, waited until the .1 update came out to see if that would help any, it didn't. Anyone have any suggestion for what I can do? My N7 is just a useless brick at this point. Ubuntu touch would probably be my preferred option if a decent one exists.
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Hi everyone,
I can't find a satisfactory answer on my favorite search engines, so I thought I'd come here and ask. Sorry if this question has already been put on the table, carved, sliced and gobbled, I couldn't find trace of it in the forum's search engine either.
My phone's a Leagoo T5c that will forever be stuck on Android 7.0, it seems, because the OEM has already lost interest, and because its SoC makes it difficult, if not downright impossible, to find a suitable custom ROM.
The latest ROM I could find and install on this phone goes back to August of 2018 (no-no, no typos), and its Security Update is even one month older (July 2018).
My question is in the title: Is it possible to install Security Updates without reinstalling/updating/upgrading the firmware itself, like you would in, say, Windows or any other OS, I presume?
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Hi everyone,
I can't find a satisfactory answer on my favorite search engines, so I thought I'd come here and ask. Sorry if this question has already been put on the table, carved, sliced and gobbled, I couldn't find trace of it in the forum's search engine either.
My phone's a Leagoo T5c that will forever be stuck on Android 7.0, it seems, because the OEM has already lost interest, and because its SoC makes it difficult, if not downright impossible, to find a suitable custom ROM.
The latest ROM I could find and install on this phone goes back to August of 2018 (no-no, no typos), and its Security Update is even one month older (July 2018).
My question is in the title: Is it possible to install Security Updates without reinstalling/updating/upgrading the firmware itself, like you would in, say, Windows or any other OS, I presume?
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With android 10 were introduced Google play security updates that lets you received security updates (not all of them unfortunately, some requires to upgrade) without updating the full OS. You can't do it because you're stuck with the wrong Android version
Hopefully you won't have any issues with hacking but consider buying a new phone when you'll get a chance
Security updates get rolled out as OTA by OEM/Carrier if they consider it's necessary. You can't force it. Theoretically, all Android smartphones should get around two years of security updates. However, the reality is often very different.
The Leagoo T5c is a small-budget phone what was sold for 99 USD - so more or less a disposable item. You cannot expect OEM/Carrier to have any interest in providing updates for such a phone.
Thank you both for your explanations. I understand that Android works differently when it comes to updating itself, mostly because Google isn't the only party to have a voice in the chapter; still, it's unnerving to see that the end-user is more or less captive anyway.
It kinda defeats the very purpose of an open-source OS, to have to wait for an OEM to release (or not) an update, when you could install the patches yourself.
As for buying another phone, well, as soon as I've got the dough, I will, believe me. Not because I'm dissatisfied with this one, but because I don't like the idea of totting around with a phone that hasn't seen a security update in over two years.
I'm also seriously considering moving to Ubuntu Touch, though there again, my phone's exotic platform could be problematic. Custom ROMs seems to be as complicated an avenue as others, too.
All in all, Android isn't what they sold me: It's not secure, it's not "free", it's just another way to make you shell out bucks for new hardware every couple years.
Android is just iOS without the eye-candy, you ask me...
UglyStuff said:
Thank you both for your explanations. I understand that Android works differently when it comes to updating itself, mostly because Google isn't the only party to have a voice in the chapter; still, it's unnerving to see that the end-user is more or less captive anyway.
It kinda defeats the very purpose of an open-source OS, to have to wait for an OEM to release (or not) an update, when you could install the patches yourself.
As for buying another phone, well, as soon as I've got the dough, I will, believe me. Not because I'm dissatisfied with this one, but because I don't like the idea of totting around with a phone that hasn't seen a security update in over two years.
I'm also seriously considering moving to Ubuntu Touch, though there again, my phone's exotic platform could be problematic. Custom ROMs seems to be as complicated an avenue as others, too.
All in all, Android isn't what they sold me: It's not secure, it's not "free", it's just another way to make you shell out bucks for new hardware every couple years.
Android is just iOS without the eye-candy, you ask me...
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Android isn't iOS precisely because you can break free from your OEM by flashing a custom ROM. You can develop one for almost any device as long as the OEM releases the kernel source code. And most OEM do (expect for some very unknown phones).
Custom ROMs like GrapheneOS are made to free you from google Services and are truly privacy oriented. And all of that is possible because Android is open source.
Trust me, the Android community has always worked actively to counter aging of their devices (including me).
Just buy a phone with a solid community behind and you'll be able to keep it up to date a looong time
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Android isn't iOS precisely because you can break free from your OEM by flashing a custom ROM. You can develop one for almost any device as long as the OEM releases the kernel source code. And most OEM do (expect for some very unknown phones).
Custom ROMs like GrapheneOS are made to free you from google Services and are truly privacy oriented. And all of that is possible because Android is open source.
Trust me, the Android community has always worked actively to counter aging of their devices (including me).
Just buy a phone with a solid community behind and you'll be able to keep it up to date a looong time
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I agree with you in principle, but if I must take an example: I have this Early 2006 MacBook Pro with a Core Duo CPU that precludes me from even installing Mac OS X 10.7 "Lion" on it, because the CPU is 32-bit-only, and Lion requires a 64-bit CPU.
The machine itself works very well, albeit a bit slowly, but then it's got only 2 GB of RAM and a 120-GB SSD. When I got fed-up with OS X applications not updating/upgrading and Firefox addons not installing because my copy of Firefox was too old, I partitioned the SSD, installed rEFInd as boot manager, and installed Zorin 15.2 (now 15.3) Lite 32-bit.
I now spend more time on the Linux side of this Mac than on the OS X side, and updating/upgrading it is a breeze, either via the dedicated application or in Terminal. I know there'll be an end-of-the-line there too, someday, but at least I'll keep using this Mac until it truly dies on me, not when Apple tells me it's dead.
This, for me, is the very essence of open-source: Not just the fact that it's free, but that you can revive an old machine and keep it running long after Apple et al have decided that it had gone the way of the dinosaurs.
The same doesn't apply to Android, alas. Here, you must have a compatible SoC/chipset/what-have-you, a Treble-compatible device, you must have this, you must have that...
In the end, only a fraction of Android users really get to enjoy everything their device has to offer for as long as they choose; the others just pop into the nearest phone store, be it brick-and-mortar or cyber, and must produce their credit card.
My question was as much a challenge to myself as anything else. I would really like to learn how Android works, but the tutorials and articles I've found here and there are all a bit cryptic.
That's why I'm regularly prowling this forum, I guess.
"Hunting high and low", as the song goes... :laugh:
yep, good question but google & manufactures are in it for the moola not the users 2 yr old phone.
hiitsrudd said:
yep, good question but google & manufactures are in it for the moola not the users 2 yr old phone.
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Don't I know it! It's true that even budget phones have decent specs nowadays, still, why dump a perfectly functioning phone simply because you can't update/upgrade the software?
I understand Google's rationale, of course: They invest tons of money year after year after year to keep the whole boat afloat, and they need a steady income. OK. Still, to not be able to keep your phone ***safe*** is a no-go for me.
I'm seriously beginning to think about installing Ubuntu Touch on the device. I think I'm going to try that next weekend.
I'll probably come back here with my eyes red, asking for help in unbricking my phone, though.
Stay tuned! :good:
A followup, if you are mindful of your own security it's conceivable to get more usage of that android. I don't use a banking app, but if need be use a good browser( thats updated of course) And update all often used apps via playstore. I'm still running Oreo on my phone. FYI you iOS ppl need to do critical updates asap