I know that for tethering, the speed and/or data limit is controlled via an on device profile via the FOTA service.
Is there a way to nullify the speed and/or data tethering cap? 600 kilobits per second is a joke. It should be 10 megabits per second.
I know that of course I would have to be rooted and unlocked.
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I know that for tethering, the speed and/or data limit is controlled via an on device profile via the FOTA service.
Is there a way to nullify the speed and/or data tethering cap? 600 kilobits per secoind is a joke. It should be 10 megabits per second.
I know that of course I would have rooted and unlocked.
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You're asking specifically about Verizon? Because only your user name gives a clue.
Or all V30? All carriers?
I have no speed caps on tethering but then I'm rooted and use another carrier.
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You're asking specifically about Verizon? Because only your user name gives a clue.
Or all V30? All carriers?
I have no speed caps on tethering but then I'm rooted and use another carrier.
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Yes, on Verizon. The reason for the fake speed cap is because I'm on Go Unlimited.
All of this is on via an on-device (client) profile, unlike deprioritization, which is done network side (via SDN).
Same applies to the BS "after x GB, you will be deprioritized" on higher tiers.
Verizon should let us use our data as we ee fit, rather than artificially handicapping the tethering feature via an on device profile, requiring hacks and workarounds.
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Yes, on Verizon. The reason for the fake speed cap is because I'm on Go Unlimited.
All of this is on via an on-device (client) profile, unlike deprioritization, which is done network side (SDN).
Same applies to the BS "after x GN, you will be deprioritizaed."
Verizon should let us use our data as we ee fit, rather than artificially handicapping the tethering feature via an on device profile, requiring hacks and workarounds.
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I totally agree. If you are paying for your data, and you get certain speeds on your device, there should be no difference when sharing that data with another device.
However, until you are rooted, you do not actually "own" your device -- the carrier/OEM still does. They can force updates which will brick the phone on purpose (Samsung did that with the 2017 Note 7 phone) or put restrictions on it like you describe. Only with root do you have full control over the device for which ostensibly bought. Without root, you are merely "leasing" the device from the real owner who at any point in time can totally disable it or put severe restrictions.
Samsung Software Update Will Deliberately 'Brick' Galaxy Note 7 Phones
https://mashable.com/2017/03/27/galaxy-note-7-brick-update/
The Samsung Note 7 released end of 2016 had fantastic features and camera. However as anyone remembers, the one problem was SOME of the Note 7 batteries were too tight for the case and would expand upon charging causing viral videos when a house burned down. Not all the batteries, but SOME. But enough mishaps that Samsung first recalled the phones to replace with other Note 7 manufactured later. Still, some phone explosions.
What the real problem was Samsung had a battery manufacturing problem -- not only were they making the Note 7 battery, but also a vendor. Story is complicated, but either one or both manufacturing facilities weren't culling the batteries not up to spec.
Still, a MAJORITY of the phones did NOT have a battery problem and never would. Samsung wanted to squash the bad news story, because they soon had Galaxy 8/8 Plus coming out.
So, then Samsung issued a recall to REPLACE ALL NOTE 7 with INFERIOR Galaxy 7/7 Plus phones. Galaxy 7 had been on the market for MONTHS. If Note 7 users wanted a Galaxy 7 they would have bought a Galaxy 7!
To force people to turn in their PERFECTLY FINE Note 7 phones, Samsung issued an update to brick the phones. This showed Samsung was still the real owner of the device people spent HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS to use.
Guess who got to keep their Note 7 phones and which still worked just fine? Those users who were rooted their Note 7 phones. Now they were the real owners and the carrier/OEM couldn't push the brick update!
Then is it possible to disable those stupid FOTA profile restrictions (only 600kbps) once rooted?
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Then is it possible to disable those stupid FOTA profile restrictions (only 600kbps) once rooted?
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Usually, yes. But I will have to defer to other Verizon V30 users in this forum.
If you could edit your thread title to be "Verizon Tethering" you would attract more Verzion users to help answer.
@gimpy1, @schwinn8, @4stringenator?
You can also ask in the TWRP-flashable zip thread...
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Usually, yes. But I will have to defer to other Verizon V30 users in this forum.
If you could edit your thread title to be "Verizon Tethering" you would attract more Verzion users to help answer.
@gimpy1, @schwinn8, @4stringenator?
You can also ask in the TWRP-flashable zip thread...
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Done. found lgup.
Thanks for the mention... but I can't help as I'm not familiar with tethering - I don't use it at all. I'm also on TW (Total Wireless) which is a VZ MVNO, but not direct. They also don't want me to do tethering, so out of respect for the rules I don't. Besides, I have my work phone which does allow it, so if I really need it I can do it there,
Yes, this is frustrating. I am on Verizon, run the US998, and am on the GoUnlimited plan. My own attempts to circumvent the speed cap for tethering have failed. Redirecting hotspot traffic across interfaces failed. Setting up masquerading rules in iptables failed. Increasing ttl on the clients from 64 to 65 failed. What isn't clear is how Verizon detects the hotspot traffic or knows that hotspot is turned on. Speeds for traffic originating on or sent to the phone itself isn't affected. The open carrier rom doesn't do a tether subscription check or send the service provider a notice that tethering is active (as far as I am aware). Anyone else with useful thoughts?
I am a Verizon user with a Verizon issued phone. I have not used the Verizon rom (vs996) in quite some time. I am on us99830b rom. Though I don't use the tethering function often or for long periods of time, I do occasionally use it. For the most part I have not noticed the speed cap you speak of, although I guess it happens (?). I do have an unlimited plan (through a government/business contract, even though I am retired). I have four phones on my plan (all unlimited data). My phone is the only bl unlocked and rooted of the four. And the only LG v30 phone.
My wife's phone is an iPhone 11 (purchased about 3 or 4 weeks ago). Our Hotspot runs through it, although I occasionally use my tethering hot spot on occasion and not for long periods of time.
For my purposes, everything works fine (some times we will notice slower speeds, but that is not the norm).
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I am a Verizon user with a Verizon issued phone. I have not used the Verizon rom (vs996) in quite some time. I am on us99830b rom. Though I don't use the tethering function often or for long periods of time, I do occasionally use it. For the most part I have not noticed the speed cap you speak of, although I guess it happens (?). I do have an unlimited plan (through a government/business contract, even though I am retired). I have four phones on my plan (all unlimited data). My phone is the only bl unlocked and rooted of the four. And the only LG v30 phone.
My wife's phone is an iPhone 11 (purchased about 3 or 4 weeks ago). Our Hotspot runs through it, although I occasionally use my tethering hot spot on occasion and not for long periods of time.
For my purposes, everything works fine (some times we will notice slower speeds, but that is not the norm).
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Sounds like you're on a government version of a Go Unlimited plan, without the ****ty artifical device-side profile that limits tethering to 600Kbps, which is such a joke. Even their higher plans throttle you to said speed if you exceed x GB (dependent on plan).
That's why one unlocks their bootloader and roots, to remove that stupid limitation, among others.
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Well - it was only a matter of time before AT&T stepped in. BGR reports that AT&T is cracking down on people tethering without the appropriate data plan.
This leads me to two questions:
(1) How do you suppose they know who is doing this? (Excessive use? Looking at data flows? etc.)
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(2) For those who are using tethering without plan, what method do you use and does it make a difference?
(A) Adding APN (via aRoot script or other method).
(B) Modifying existing APNs (via richhed's method).
(C) Using App like Barnacle or Wifi-Tether.
Lets discuss!
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Use C, they can't prove you're doing it. Modifying your APN is an idiotic method to use.
i dont go over 2-3gb much
but i want to know i have it when i needed it
this is totally crap
That report is coming off of the iPhone. It's likely something they've done in iOS 4.3 that checks for something specific. Using the APN method is risky since it's easy for at&t to spot.
I've been tethering my Captivate since August and nothing yet....although I am a light user.
As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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you tell 'em!
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That report is coming off of the iPhone. It's likely something they've done in iOS 4.3 that checks for something specific. Using the APN method is risky since it's easy for at&t to spot.
I've been tethering my Captivate since August and nothing yet....although I am a light user.
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" It is safe to assume that a large portion of the unofficial, tethering populous is jailbroken iPhone users and rooted Android users."
Glad i have unlimited data plan and no need for tethering
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Read on engadget today that AT&T is cracking down on people using tethering without a tethering plan. So far only people that have an Iphone are getting cracked down. I use the APN method. Will this be safe because I dont want to lose my unlimited data plan and get knocked down to 4gb + tether because thats what they are doing.
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i dont believe any android users have gotten the email/text YET. But you wont lose your unlimited data until after you receive the first warning email/text
There was an informative comment in the engadget comments:
For all you wondering how they can tell:
All IP packets have something called a TTL associated with them. It stands for Time To Live. Every "hop" along the network from one router to the next reduces the TTL by one. When it reaches 0, the packet is dropped. This was introduced to keep routing problems from overloading the network. If for example, by some error a packet was going around in a circular path, the TTL would eventually reach 0 and prevent a packet storm.
The thing is, ALL routing devices do this. OSes use standard TTLs. For example, let's say both your iPhone and laptop use 127 for the TTL. AT&T will receive packets from your iPhone with a TTL of 127, but since the packets from your laptop pass through your iPhone first, they arrive at AT&T with a TTL of 126. They can detect a tethered device this way.
Apple uses a TTL of 64 for the iPhone, by the way. So change the TTL on your computer to "65" and there should be no problem. Here's how to do it:
1. Click Start - Search and type “regedit”. This launches the WIndows Registry.
2. In the registry, navigate to the following registry key [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters] HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
\SYSTEM
\CurrentControlSet
\Services
\Tcpip
\Parameters
3. In the right pane, right-click and select New – DWORD (32-bit value) and set its name as “DefaultTTL” and set its value anything between “0? and “255?. The value sets the number of Hops or links the packet traverses before being discarded.
REPORT
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TTL is a good start. However, deeper packet inspection would reveal HTTP requests from sources other than "approved software packages" (i.e. the http request would show a browser name like chrome). Protocols other then HTTP would be equally revealing.
Deep packet inspection is expensive; so they probably look for people whom consume a generous amount of monthly bandwidth and sniff their traffic.
The only way to protect yourself would be to encrypt your packet payload, until it reached a non-AT&T intermediate node. And of course, eventually that type of behavior would be a red flag. However, they would not be able to PROVE you were tethering, they would only have a reasonable suspicion (which appears to be enough for AT&T).
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Im not sure what the default TTL is for the plethora of Android devices or if this is even how ATT is finding out. Maybe Android users have not gotten letters yet is because of what someone said earlier: apple included something in 4.3 to detect this. Also, IF they are using TTL to detect, there are way too many Android devices with presumably different TTL values for them to precisely detect who is tethering.
from most the reports ive seen ATT has been usually handing these notices out to users that have heavy bandwidth usage. By heavy i mean, 18gb+ a month, this has been the case at least for most iPhone tethering users according to modmyi. It is pretty random tho as I've seen someone use as much as 33 gb in a month and not get served. but if ur within the 5 gb - 10 gb range i dont think you have to worry
Meursau|t said:
As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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Yep tell it like it is.
I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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At least with verizon, you have to deal with the same ****ty service, but you get LTE instead.
(I'm on at&t....)
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I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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What service are you paying for? We already pay for data. Data is data. What if internet providers started saying you pay for data to be sent to the modem, but you have to pay an additional service to "tether" it to another device such as a router or computer?
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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well first of all that would cost me my unlimited data plan... so that is stupid, 2 i have been a smartphone user for about 12 years and tethering was always included, than they removed it from devices but if you knew what you were doing you could do it on your own, as years have gone on it has changed to get to this ... this is one thing i will not budge on and never will, i do not condone pirating or anything else how ever , if i pay for a data plan to surf the internet from your network than what device i choose to use to do it is of no matter, i do not tether and have multiple devices hooked up or allow other people to use my connection, it is a matter of what device i am using to view the same thing, this does not justify and extra $45 a month charge because i wanted to view the same internet on my tablet instead of my phone while sitting on my couch, or if i want to tether while driving to use navigation. I am viewing the same thing on only one device
POOP - I misread
t0dbld said:
well first of all that would cost me my unlimited data plan... so that is stupid, 2 i have been a smartphone user for about 12 years and tethering was always included, than they removed it from devices but if you knew what you were doing you could do it on your own, as years have gone on it has changed to get to this ... this is one thing i will not budge on and never will, i do not condone pirating or anything else how ever , if i pay for a data plan to surf the internet from your network than what device i choose to use to do it is of no matter, i do not tether and have multiple devices hooked up or allow other people to use my connection, it is a matter of what device i am using to view the same thing, this does not justify and extra $45 a month charge because i wanted to view the same internet on my tablet instead of my phone while sitting on my couch, or if i want to tether while driving to use navigation. I am viewing the same thing on only one device
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But it's those that DO use it on 5+ devices, pulling in 20GB a month that ruin it for everyone else. Not to mention crowd our whole network with unnecessary traffic.
Since I rarely tether, have a built-in Navi for my car, and don't buy into the whole tablet frenzy, I may not feel your specific needs. But for those that are abusing the workaround, I have zero sympathy.
andy2na said:
I just got the tethering text... Im on the unlimited plan and have used about 2gb this month. I mainly use webtop with the hacked tethering method.
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um sh*t
so this is not iphone only .....
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um sh*t
so this is not iphone only .....
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right, Android users are NOT safe...
Ive been using android on ATT since last July and have not touched an iPhone since, so theres no ambiguity with this.
One of my friends (he has jailb. iphone and used tethering for ~3 weeks) just got letter from ATT: stop using tethering or we'll change your plan to 4gb teth. plan (+$45)
Another friend though (android device, 2 months tethering) spoke with ATT rep. about tethering and plan overlimit and he was told : we'll just charge you $10 for each addnl Gb.
I'm using tethering for 3 m. If I use browser I change User Agent to Opera mobile (but not all the time) and had no any warnings.
where is the true about tethering? is this device specific? I mean is there something in iPhones that lets ATT to know about "illigal" tethering
is this the f. way for ATT to make money to lock device/software capabilities and then unlock them for $$$. OK lets lock volume or brightnes to 0 and charge people for each % added. lets lock BT - kinda tethering as well
all this is so stupid. it's like if electric company will charge you extra for using toster but not teapot.
who cares how I spend data that no longe belong to them. this is my 2gb. and I can put it in my ... if I'd like so
there are some ?? in this post so I posted it here not General. may be I'm wrong but not so wrong as ATT
i've personally never read about android devices being caught tethering (if anyone can show me otherwise, i would appreciate it)
the way AT&T picks up on people doing illegitimate tethering is by iphone users using mywi, not sure how they do it but every single post i've read of people who got served was using an iphone.
uuh... Bluetooth is not even remotely close to tethering. The reason they charge extra for tethering, compared to simple data plans... and why they don't (technically) allow tethering on unlimited plans, is because if you're using a laptop or desktop and have it connected to the internet via your phone... you're capable of downloading a LOT more information a LOT quicker, thus congesting their network.
Also would need a bit more information about how your friends were tethering. The first mentioned friend with the iPhone was probably doing what Alcapone said... using MyWi to tether for free, while probably on an unlimited data plan. That's probably why he got a letter saying that if it continues, he will be switched to the 4GB Tethering plan. They probably noticed an unusually large amount of bandwidth being used, which raised a red flag.
The second friend i'm assuming probably actually pays for tethering... or at least that's probably what the AT&T rep was assuming. In that case they'll charge per extra GB downloaded.
Only time i've ever heard the possibility of someone's plan being switched is if they're doing something that's not possible on their plan to begin with. Kinda like the people that were praying they could keep their dumbphone unlimited data plan to use with a smartphone.
zelipukin said:
One of my friends (he has jailb. iphone and used tethering for ~3 weeks) just got letter from ATT: stop using tethering or we'll change your plan to 4gb teth. plan (+$45)
Another friend though (android device, 2 months tethering) spoke with ATT rep. about tethering and plan overlimit and he was told : we'll just charge you $10 for each addnl Gb.
I'm using tethering for 3 m. If I use browser I change User Agent to Opera mobile (but not all the time) and had no any warnings.
where is the true about tethering? is this device specific? I mean is there something in iPhones that lets ATT to know about "illigal" tethering
is this the f. way for ATT to make money to lock device/software capabilities and then unlock them for $$$. OK lets lock volume or brightnes to 0 and charge people for each % added. lets lock BT - kinda tethering as well
all this is so stupid. it's like if electric company will charge you extra for using toster but not teapot.
who cares how I spend data that no longe belong to them. this is my 2gb. and I can put it in my ... if I'd like so
there are some ?? in this post so I posted it here not General. may be I'm wrong but not so wrong as ATT
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this rant and its questions have all been debated and answered time and time again on this forum. search.
all have 2gb no tethering plan. Large amount of data? Am I not free to use my 2gb in one day? I mean I can spend only 2gb I paid for. in one day or 1 month, what's the difference? why not to change calling plan to unlimited if att noticed you "spoke to much yestarday"
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all have 2gb no tethering plan. Large amount of data? Am I not free to use my 2gb in one day? I mean I can spend only 2gb I paid for. in one day or 1 month, what's the difference? why not to change calling plan to unlimited if att noticed you "spoke to much yestarday"
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This has been covered over here...
Going over your 2gb data plan is one thing and tethering is another. The iphone OS records the amount of time tethered and somehow notifies att about the devices usage. Also, from what I've learned when I had my iphones, not syncing to itunes after you've installed jailbroken apps will not register with apple. The only tethering apps I think most people getting caught with is an app called MyWi. Not sure about PDAnet. My wife uses MyWi but has never synced her phone to itunes after installing and we've never gotten a notice. Might also being looked at cuz the iphone doesn't have flash so other than netflix....how can you use a ton of data other than streaming or tethering.
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This has been covered over here...
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ty, ty, ty
I knew kind people will point me to the right topic I couldnt find myself.
elementaldragon said:
why they don't (technically) allow tethering on unlimited plans, is because if you're using a laptop or desktop and have it connected to the internet via your phone... you're capable of downloading a LOT more information a LOT quicker, thus congesting their network.
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Is this necessarily true though? With a phone that's capable of multitasking like the Atrix, I don't see the real issue. AT&T claims that by using a laptop, you will end up eating more data, but I always saw the service they provide as the real bottleneck. No matter how many devices you tether to the Atrix, whether it be 1 or 4, you're still unable to use more bandwidth than what you are capable of receiving. If your speed tests run at the miserable 1.5Mbps down and 1Mbps up that I get, how can they claim that you download information QUICKER from a computer? This may have been true before, when phone's couldn't handle as many operations as they do now, but I can definitely stream some music from pandora, browse the web, and hell, even download a torrent all at the same time if I wanted to.
I feel like all of the "modern" updates AT&T has made has just hurt the consumer in the process. Tethering on an unlimited plan shouldn't be allowed, I understand that. Your cell phone plan shouldn't be the basis for your home internet, and that's fair. But if you're on a tiered plan, your 2GB should be yours to do whatever you want with. And while I'm ranting about the tiered plans, I think for the price they charge for the 200MB plan, they need to start offering more. As their service supposedly gets faster, that 200MB cap becomes so much easier to reach. Come on AT&T, get with the times.
I would like to be able to tether my HTC View to my iPhone 4 via bluetooth to share the internet connection. It works successfully via MiWi with the wireless hotspot. I would like to use the bluetooth instead though since the wifi hotspot kills my battery and makes my phone physically hot to the touch after a few hours of it. Is this possible?
The 2 devices do pair through mywi using bluetooth. But when i click to connect and use for internet access the View just sits there and says connecting.
iPhone is running 5.0.1 and is jailbroken
HTC View is running 3.2.1 and is rooted and s-off
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I would like to be able to tether my HTC View to my iPhone 4 via bluetooth to share the internet connection. It works successfully via MiWi with the wireless hotspot. I would like to use the bluetooth instead though since the wifi hotspot kills my battery and makes my phone physically hot to the touch after a few hours of it. Is this possible?
The 2 devices do pair through mywi using bluetooth. But when i click to connect and use for internet access the View just sits there and says connecting.
iPhone is running 5.0.1 and is jailbroken
HTC View is running 3.2.1 and is rooted and s-off
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Sorry, I don't have a solution for you. I was just more curious if your wireless carrier has found out about you tethering and tried to force you into a tethering plan? I really want to jailbreak my iPhone for tethering but it sounds like there isn't a fullproof way of not letting carriers find out you are doing this.
I would like to do the same. I've read on other forums that some have success with honeycomb connecting to 4.0 miwi
I've been using tethering for about 6 months now. In the beginning it was only when wifi wasn't available for my laptop, or my wife's iPhone on trips (she has 200mb data)
They have not complained yet but it was very low data usage before. I'm sure my data will increase now so I will have to see. I work in IT, everywhere I go has wifi. I've used 702mb of data this month (1/2 through cycle). I'm normally around around 300 - 400mb of data a month. I'm also grandfathered into unlimited plan, so they get $30 a month from me for data. I doubt they are complaining much since i'm such a light user. This bill will be my first full month with the view, so we will see if I ever get any complaints.
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I've been using tethering for about 6 months now. In the beginning it was only when wifi wasn't available for my laptop, or my wife's iPhone on trips (she has 200mb data)
They have not complained yet but it was very low data usage before. I'm sure my data will increase now so I will have to see. I work in IT, everywhere I go has wifi. I've used 702mb of data this month (1/2 through cycle). I'm normally around around 300 - 400mb of data a month. I'm also grandfathered into unlimited plan, so they get $30 a month from me for data. I doubt they are complaining much since i'm such a light user. This bill will be my first full month with the view, so we will see if I ever get any complaints.
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Ah ok, well keep us updated. I too am grandfathered in on unlimited data on my iPhone 4. And I also am a fairly light user (< 1GB/month), but everyone makes it sound like the carriers are jumping on illegal tethering pretty hard. Regardless of how much data is actually used, they know from the ports that tethering is happening. I almost wouldn't mind paying for a tethering account, but the worst part about doing it is that you lose unlimited regular data.
Reading your posts, I can't understand why tethering is "illegal" or forbidden. I you pay for a data plan, why can't one use it on any device?
Because they want to charge for it. Not sure
No one has successfully tethered with bluetooth?
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I found this article with some searching.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1374213&highlight=bluetooth+tether
I wonder if this would work with the View. Same WPA file work?
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Reading your posts, I can't understand why tethering is "illegal" or forbidden. I you pay for a data plan, why can't one use it on any device?
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Its not "illegal", in that I don't think you can get thrown in jail or sued for it.
But you agree to the carrier's Terms & Conditions when you sign up to use their network, whether you like it or not (or bothered to read them). Violation of the Terms means that the carrier can terminate your service, add charges to your account, or other repercussions, depending on what the Terms state.
Not sure what carrier's policies are in Israel. But in the US, most of the big carriers have specific statements in their Terms of Use, that prohibit tethering other devices to your phone without a tethering specific plan. If you are caught violating this policy, they reserve the right to add that plan to your account, or even drop your account if they want.
And yes, its of course so they can charge you extra. I completely agree that data should be data. And if you pay for a certain amount of data, or on an unlimited plan, then ideologically it should not make a difference if you are tethered or not. But there are many times in life where the most logical or fair concept is not what happens in reality. Especially in the for-profit business world.
No one has any ideas? Surely i'm not the first person who has tried to do this.
I just posted a possible solution related to this except I did it on the View:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1469997
Guys Ive got a lg e980 on att running kitkat and rooted. Use sqlite to enable tethering.
But the tethering is actually to a Nexus 7 used as a GPS in my car.
Will they be able to see it being used for position location...and worst case a pandora on longer drives?
If they can see it, is their any way to hide this usage. Id rather not pay 30 bucks a month for a tablet plan just so I dont have to bluetooth my phones audio in for gps.
SuzukiGoat said:
Guys Ive got a lg e980 on att running kitkat and rooted. Use sqlite to enable tethering.
But the tethering is actually to a Nexus 7 used as a GPS in my car.
Will they be able to see it being used for position location...and worst case a pandora on longer drives?
If they can see it, is their any way to hide this usage. Id rather not pay 30 bucks a month for a tablet plan just so I dont have to bluetooth my phones audio in for gps.
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To be honest, it should be fine. Any thing you do, even if they are watching you like a hawk, for all they know could just be coming from your phone. I used to tether my old Verizon phone to my Nexus 7 and use it for that sort of stuff all the time, without actually paying for VZ's tethering provisioning and they never noticed. I would be cautious, but it should be just fine.
ColtonDRG said:
To be honest, it should be fine. Any thing you do, even if they are watching you like a hawk, for all they know could just be coming from your phone. I used to tether my old Verizon phone to my Nexus 7 and use it for that sort of stuff all the time, without actually paying for VZ's tethering provisioning and they never noticed. I would be cautious, but it should be just fine.
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If Im not mistaken verizon isnt quite as on top of the tethering as ATT.
Just worried about the packets bouncing from tablet to phone...both are android running kitkat...but I am still curious if there is a way to better hide the minimal tethering.
SuzukiGoat said:
If Im not mistaken verizon isnt quite as on top of the tethering as ATT.
Just worried about the packets bouncing from tablet to phone...both are android running kitkat...but I am still curious if there is a way to better hide the minimal tethering.
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Are you using WiFi tethering or Bluetooth tethering? I know that Bluetooth is much more difficult for carriers to track so you might consider that if you haven't already. If you are really worried, maybe give FoxFi a shot.
I personally switched to T-Mobile because they never charge any overages, are much cheaper than anyone else, and features like tethering, visual voicemail, and all the other frilly little addons are included in the plan for free.
SuzukiGoat said:
Guys Ive got a lg e980 on att running kitkat and rooted. Use sqlite to enable tethering.
But the tethering is actually to a Nexus 7 used as a GPS in my car.
Will they be able to see it being used for position location...and worst case a pandora on longer drives?
If they can see it, is their any way to hide this usage. Id rather not pay 30 bucks a month for a tablet plan just so I dont have to bluetooth my phones audio in for gps.
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I can't speak for AT&T, but on T-Mobile, using PdaNet+, I can tether my phone to my LG G Pad 8.3 with Bluetooth and it doesn't drain my hotspot data (it does use my regular data, but I have unlimited high-speed). I'm pretty sure doing the same with wi-fi hotspot does the same with my tablet too, as just last night I used my phone's wi-fi hotspot to update Asphalt 8 (1.3+GB) on my tablet, and my usage barely changed (from 290MB to 307MB), while a co-worker was using my hotspot as well.
FWIW, I hacked my Motorola Droid Razr Maxx on Verizon to bypass their tether provisioning for over a year, and they never said or did anything about it. The thing is, legally speaking, data you lease from them is your data. They can't tell you how you can or can't use it (unless it violates other laws, like kiddy porn or filesharing). Tethering is not part of this law; it's a service they offer, and naturally, they want to charge you every penny they can for it, and will do everything they can to do so. But it's still your data, as leased to you in your agreement, and yours to do with how you wish.
That said, it's still data, and will count against your plan's allotment.
As far as GPS goes, you can download maps through Google Maps and keep them for 30 days (before having to do it again). You're limited to a certain amount of area, but you can download multiple areas. Doing this means you don't need a data connection, since GPS is independent of mobile data. Perhaps not that useful for traveling across the great plains or the Rockies or across the desert to So Cal, but you can save the better part of a major metropolitan area like Chicago and its suburbs for miles around.
Honestly, they don't care enough to dig into your usage that much. I used to sell ATT. If they'd care about anything it'd be you being rooted. And all they could do if they could prove that would be void your warranty. Go nuts on it. Nothing they can do. Like someone else said it just looks like you're doing all of it from your phone, not the tablet.
Got the LTE version of the tablet on Monday. On powering up and connecting to my WiFi, it pulled down an update which I believe is for 5.01 (at least it now has 5.01). I took the device to the local AT&T store to obtain a nanosim.
The tablet works fine, but I cannot find the tethering and WiFi hotspot setting. It's not where it usually is. When I search "tether," the search takes me to to the "more" under WiFi and network settings which is where I expect to find this setting, but it's not there.
Does anyone with the LTE tablet see tethering anywhere on his device?
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I went to Verizon and T-Mobile stores. Each put a nanoSIM into the Nexus 9. In both cases, the Tethering and Mobile Hotspot menu appeared exactly where it ought to be. It's the AT&T nanoSIM that causes the menu item to vanish before my eyes. I spoke with AT&T and Google. Each asserted that the other caused the problem. This identical problem occurred with AT&T the last LTE-capable tablet marketed by Google (the Nexus 7 2013, see here). It's unclear whether subsequent updates or AT&T programming repaired the error in the prior matter. I'm a little baffled that the engineers would allow the same problem to re-occur.
I've had this problem since day 1. In any other setup tethering appears, but when I pop in my AT&T SIM, it's gone. I had the same problem with the '13 N7 too. Unfortunately, this year's issue looks like it will never be fixed.
It's something that AT&T asked Google to do and they complied. I asked Jean Baptiste Queru about this back when the Nexus 7 LTE launched 2 years ago and all he said was that he couldn't talk about it due to NDAs. Suffice it to say, he didn't deny that AT&T was behind it.
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Makes no sense for AT&T. Most of us have metered data plans. More tethering more data. AT&T claims that its allows tethering. If AT&T, after selling tethering as a feature, instructed a vendor to disable it, then potential of a class action would outweigh the gain. Regarding the Nexus 7, wasn't it eventually fixed?
DonDerham said:
Makes no sense for AT&T. Most of us have metered data plans. More tethering more data. AT&T claims that its allows tethering. If AT&T, after selling tethering as a feature, instructed a vendor to disable it, then potential of a class action would outweigh the gain. Regarding the Nexus 7, wasn't it eventually fixed?
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Nope. It was never changed on the Nexus 7 LTE. It's right in the AOSP code. There are lines that specifically disable tethering if you put in an AT&T SIM. It's in an XML file somewhere. If you're rooted, you can change that line and get tethering. But, that means that Google is specifically targeting AT&T SIMs and disabling tethering in the ROM. This is most definitely not a bug, nor an issue requiring a "fix." It's very deliberate. The only plausible reason for Google to do this would be at the request of AT&T. We have no idea what agreements Google has with carriers, so the specifics will never be known to us. Regardless, this is most-definitely done on purpose.
From a branded device standpoint, AT&T never allows native tethering on tablets within the OS. They always make OEMs disable it and then provide tethering via the AT&T AllAccess app. The app comes pre-installed on every single tablet AT&T sells. You can download it on the Nexus 7 and Nexus 9 here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smartcom. I'm not entirely sure that it'll actually allow you to tether, but that's what you have to use to tether on any AT&T-branded tablet.