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I travel a lot, and I'm a minimalist. In other words, I'll travel for a week and take a paper lunch bag as my carry-on with hopes that I can get by with wearing the same outfit the entire week. I don't like carrying a full Navigation system and use my phone. This isn't an 'iPhone lovefest' because honestly, I hate everything about Apple, but I never had problems like this on my iPhone.
My problem though is the GPS. I'm on my third phone because of the GPS. The first phone would never get a lock on GPS. I could be sitting outside with a GPS satellite dedicated to me directly above me, and it would still say "Searching for Satellite". That phone went back and I took on another one.
Second phone had a problem where every now and then it would work, then stop working and never start working again until I rebooted the phone and even then it was questionable if it would start working again.
I just got my third phone a couple days ago. I did a stock root w/ no bootloaders, used Entropy's 11/13 Kernel, then threw on UnNamed ROM. This morning, I started up my car to drive somewhere and decided to test the GPS/Navigation. It took it a couple minutes to find the Satellite, then all seemed to be working ok. Then 20 minutes later it dropped the Satellite and it spent the next 40 minutes of my drive into the office saying "Searching for Satellite" no matter what I did.
This is really important to me as is the ability to tether when I want to (hence the reason I want a phone I can Root). So what can I do. At the moment, I've (In my head, so I could be wrong) narrowed it down to a couple things that could be wrong.
1. It's the ROM that's the problem. Though unlikely, it is a factor and it's me messing with the way the phone was designed and distributed.
2. It's the GPS in general. Seems like 95% of the people on here aren't having problems at all. There does seem to be 5% that seem to be having the same problems I am.
3. My region has crappy Satellite Coverage. Doubtful since my iPhone worked fine, and unless Apple did something amazing like put in an entire dedicated Satellite network to work with Jailbroke iPhones then this kinds of negates this though.
4. My cars are interferring. While this is entirely a possibility (I never do think to test this out in the open not in a car, so i can't say for sure) if it is the problem, then the device goes back as it's much cheaper to get a new device than to replace 2 cars. Again, though, my iPhone never had a problem doing this in these cars.
I love the phone, the speed, the Android OS etc... I don't want to go back to an iPhone because I"ll shoot myself. I just want to be able to have GPS work on this as it's the only hold up on the device. Any help anyone can do?
Take it back then. Honestly you say you have tried 3 different phones and all 3 are broken. I call bull****.
Never had a problem with it.
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You didn't mention if you've tried in ANY of the three (3) phones if the GPS worked before rooting?? I'm not saying it's the rooting that's causing the problem, but I'm still running stock on my SGSII and have had no issues with GPS? Not saying it's not possible but three phones is kinda stretching it a bit to all have the same issue.
Yes, I know you took it back to STOCK rom with #3 but who knows if the STOCK ROM is really *STOCK*, you should try a new phone #4 stock without ROOT for at least a day or two to determine if it is a DESIGN/HARDWARE issue rule that out first and then try from there... If this still happens with STOCK phone, you may have to switch to another phone (iphone or otherwise)...
Good Luck!
I just took it back to stock and was going to go outside to see if it had problems finding service. Though as mentioned in many other threads on here, it's not so much it finding you when you're standing still. It's when you're driving the streets of Atlanta that things get crazy.
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I just took it back to stock and was going to go outside to see if it had problems finding service. Though as mentioned in many other threads on here, it's not so much it finding you when you're standing still. It's when you're driving the streets of Atlanta that things get crazy.
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Hi Stalk,
Keep in STOCK mode and drive around with it and see if this is still an issue then... Also if you have an aluminum case, this has been a known issue where the TARGUS (SP?) korean made BEAUTIFUL/GORGEOUS case affected the GPS antennae. Try it stock no case on the dash away from DIRECT sunslight and begin troubleshooting there...
UNFORTUNATELY it may boil down to Stock and working GPS or ROOT with Tethering... You ***MIGHT*** not be able to do both...
Good Luck...
If you JUST root, it shouldn't affect GPS - but test without rooting first.
And I agree - if you've got a metal case, DITCH IT.
So far, my experience is that the GPS chipset is almost as good as any standalone GPS chipset I've used - Sirf StarIII, MTKv2, STM Cartesio (the latter being the chipset in my Garmin Oregon, the former being chipsets in various Bluetooth dataloggers I've used for hiking). Actually, the GPS in this phone beats the StarIII and is around on par with the Cartesio. So far nothing I've ever used can touch an MTKv2 though.
I'm used to phones having crappy awful GPS chipsets - this is the first device I would ever consider using for geocaching on its own.
Thanks for the replies. I did test just now on the way to and from lunch with stock everything. I do have a case that's part aluminum (Case-Mate). I didn't try it without the case. didn't even think it could affect this.
Running a stock setup, I attempted to get navigation to my lunch location The drive was about 6 miles each way. When I left the office, I started Navigation. It never found a satellite enroute to the restaurant. I never stopped it during lunch from looking, though I was in a building, so i didn't expect it to find anything. On the way home, same status. Searching for satellites. I'm torn. I want this phone bad, love the Dev support, and there's nothing coming from AT&T that makes me want to use an old Blackberry to wait for. I also don't know what I can do to test this further.
On the way home, I'm going to do something very simple. I'm going to wipe the phone. I'm going to skip all steps of the initial setup, just have service and that's it. I'll start navigation and have it direct me home. If it doesn't work, I'll look at my options. If it works, then I know it's an app that's causing the problem.
Unless someone else can think of something for me to try. I wish this just worked like I know it can.
Ok. So an update. Wiped phone, not even associated with Google, Removed my 32 gig SD card for the heck of it, removed the case. Started nav and INSANTLY inside a building it had me pinpointed and was directing me to the next turn point to get home.
Here's the case I have: http://www.case-mate.com/Samsung-Ga...rsion-Barely-There-Brushed-Aluminum-Cases.asp
In one of the reviews, this is said:
As much as I wanted to love this case, I couldn't. I've used many Case Mate products before and I am just disappointed in them for the lack of quality of this case. There is a noticeable issue with the case fitting the bezel on the top right corner of the phone. The lip of the case fails to properly wrap around the front bezel. There is also the connectivity problems that come with this case. GPS has especially weakened with this case on. Other than that, I like the quality material that this case is built out of and feels very sturdy. Unfortunately though as of this writing, this is really the only choice for a decent case for this phone on the market. Time will tell if better choices come about.
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I'm going to keep this setup through tomorrow, then root the phone if there's no difference in performance and all is well. If that works fine for 2 days, I'll throw the Kernel on and throw UnNamed on. If that works, I'll throw the case on and see what happens. I now feel like this could be the problem. Thanks for the thoughts guys. I'll continue my abuse of the "THANKS" button and thank you all.
ride home was flawless. If ride to work tomorrow is flawless, I'll root and flash.
Entropy512 said:
If you JUST root, it shouldn't affect GPS - but test without rooting first.
And I agree - if you've got a metal case, DITCH IT.
So far, my experience is that the GPS chipset is almost as good as any standalone GPS chipset I've used - Sirf StarIII, MTKv2, STM Cartesio (the latter being the chipset in my Garmin Oregon, the former being chipsets in various Bluetooth dataloggers I've used for hiking). Actually, the GPS in this phone beats the StarIII and is around on par with the Cartesio. So far nothing I've ever used can touch an MTKv2 though.
I'm used to phones having crappy awful GPS chipsets - this is the first device I would ever consider using for geocaching on its own.
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I haven't gotten enough free time to log the NMEA output, but I don't think our "SirfSTAR IV" chipset is actually even using DGPS/WAAS. Which makes the accuracy it get's even more impressive. The chip definitely supports WAAS, but who knows exactly how the implementation is done between Android & Samsung...
I've also owned a SirfStar III based Bluetooth GPS, a MTK-based GPS (also the best I've found), and several phones with dedicated and integrated GPS chipsets. Have to agree our GS2 is one of the best. I can't exactly wander around the house and have it track my every movement like my Bluetooth pucks can (also having a large ceramic patch antenna helps a bit no doubt), but my GS2 locks fast, and stays locked. What else can you want from a GPS?
Might be worth it to look into WAAS either way though. On any standalone GPS unit, WAAS is the difference between 15-30 meter accuracy, and 3-5 meter (or better) accuracy. That is unless you have a military GPS unit, and the appropriate keys to receive the high accuracy P(Y)/M signals...
If you want to get a good idea of how the GPS is doing, this app will show you the strength of your GPS lock:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.eclipsim.gpsstatus2
Also, upon further research, the NMEA output is reporting that WAAS/DGPS is not in use.
Example: "$GPGGA,222520.000,4218.460926,N,07111.901869,W,1,06,1.2,77.1,M,-33.8,M,,*53"
Where the bold "1" should be 2, and the null field right before the checksum "*53" should be the age of the DGPS/WAAS info if it were in use.
The chipset in our phones (http://www.csr.com/products/35/sirfstariv-gsd4e) clearly states that it supports WAAS. And since the choice of DGPS or not is solely in the hands of the chip and software (wiring/antenna connection/configuration is irrelevant) perhaps there is a way to enable the DGPS mode? If so, I'm sure we would all see MUCH better position and accuracy information.
WAAS probably requires modifications to the host processing binary (SIRFHost)
BTW, our chip is a GSD4t, not 4e.
I was having problems with my gps losing its lock for the longest time, i got a replacement phone and it started doing it again AFTER root. Im thinking some app might be causing the issue. I read somewhere that ROM Manager can cause issues. I deleted it and so far my gps has been working. I am really baffled on to what can be causing it.
stalked_r/t said:
ride home was flawless. If ride to work tomorrow is flawless, I'll root and flash.
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Its the case man. Great looking case, but kills the cell signal and terrible GPS. Mine went back after 3 days.
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Yep. Ride into work today lost signal once. After letting it sit for a couple minutes, I rebooted. After reboot it worked flawlessly. Definitely the case at this point. Putting Root/Kernel/ROM on it today and seeing how the drive home is. If it's good, then the case can be tossed and I'll find a different one.
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WAAS probably requires modifications to the host processing binary (SIRFHost)
BTW, our chip is a GSD4t, not 4e.
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Good catch. Interesting. Haven't checked out the sources, but I'm assuming all the GPS binaries are blobs? And source is not available?
Always wondered why mobile phones never have WAAS support... course then again, if the hardware was developed in Korea, that would make a little bit of sense. Seeing as there isn't WAAS coverage there, although I do believe there is an alternate DGPS solution for Asia.
So while I am waiting (and waiting, and waiting, LOL) for my Keyboard Dock, i remembered that I bought the USB adapter for the TF101 (fits into the proprietary charging/dock connector port, provides 1 USB port)
A soon as i attached it, I put a USB Mouse receiver/transmitter and it worked really well. The mouse tracked MUCH better than it even did on the TF101.
Until I went to the browser, and went to type a URL. The onscreen keyboard wouldn't come up (none of them, I have the two stock, plus Swiftkey X Tablet)
Stranger still I see the keyboard icon in the taskbar, and suddenly it hit me! The goofy thing thinks that the dock is attached! Sure enough as soon as I pulled the adpater out, the freaking keyboard popped right up.
None of this is going to cause any major issues, as I have a dock arriving tomorrow (I hope), but it's just another one of those overlooked items, and one that is SURE to get just about NO attention, LOL!
While I appreciate Asus wanting to get the flagship Tablet out there, and get ICS on it (has to be the #1 directive in tablet development at Asus at the moment, Asus needs to do a LOT more testing.
Also, and I have said this before, Asus needs to a) Try and get workable GPS functionality since it was they who put it in the tablet and b) Asus needs to repair the hardware on whatever percentage of tablets that get NO GPS signal at all. There is obviously a software component, since quite a few folks had, then lost SOME GPS function, but I have never had any, and I want it. Even if it is sub par, and works marginally, they advertised the spec, I wanted it, I bought it, I don't have it. End of story, as far as I am concerned.
Nobody has GPS working. Some may say they do but they do not know what they are talking about.
Also since the latest update, wifi location gets turned on automatically when a GPS app is trying to get a location.
Pretty much sweeping it under the carpet, it may work on those that don't know any better but for those that do know the difference it a pretty pathetic attempt.
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Nobody has GPS working. Some may say they do but they do not know what they are talking about.
Also since the latest update, wifi location gets turned on automatically when a GPS app is trying to get a location.
Pretty much sweeping it under the carpet, it may work on those that don't know any better but for those that do know the difference it a pretty pathetic attempt.
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Dude, Jen, seriously you are such a tool. Most everybody's GPS works. It is just not working well enough to navigate (which I agree is unacceptable). He is saying his won't see a single satellite in any condition. That is not working by definition. You insist on stating things as if they are fact when they may only apply to you. I can cold boot in airplane mode with nothing switching on my wifi and lock satellites in a windowless room in my house. I cannot however navigate. Those things are facts. If I were to continuously post that 'everyone can lock satellites with their prime and those who say they can't are just too stupid to know it' I'm guessing you would get annoyed at some point right? So please, if you have nothing constructive to say or you are too dense to know that just because something is happening to you doesn't necessarily mean it's happening exactly the same way to the whole community, then stfu. Please and thank you.
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Friends, a few have asked for a longer more challenging demonstration of the GPS capabilities from my first post on this subject. In this video I have on several occasions purposely turned the opposite direction as the GPS wanted me to. It was my intention to share with the community what “my” results were after ICS upgrade on “my” TF201. It was never my intention to start a war over this information I have posted.
In my case after the ICS update I was able to lock on to satellites (something I was not able to do before the upgrade of ICS) it is by no means a claim that this is the best GPS in the world, by no means it’s not. There are hiccups with the navigation but it does work and I believe it would be able to get you from one place to another. Who know it may even get better down the road with the next update, or it may get worse.
Let’s be clear that this is a Android tablet and not a exclusive GPS unit it is what it is. But, for my purpose it opened a ray of hope that this indeed was/is capable of getting me to one place to another if I do chose to use it as a Navigation device. Also, it made me feel that I was getting what ASUS claimed in the spec sheets as having which is GPS. Before the upgrade GPS for me was dead.
I hope I have helped some people with my findings. Use the information provided as you see fit for you.
Code:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shfOIx5mlik&feature=youtu.be
Can't tell if it was a GPS issue or an app issue when your screen froze. Other than that, looked like it worked out fairly well.
Did you have WiFi on and were you tethered?
It may of been the app. I had the same thing on my phone happen once or twice before.
Did you have WiFi on and were you tethered?
No, no wifi and no tether just the tablet itself.
good video. seemed like the prime did a good job of navigating. at about 1:50 into your video, it sounded like your car was being bombarded by rocks..lol.
what case is that that you have for the Prime? is that Copilot app free?
good video. seemed like the prime did a good job of navigating. at about 1:50 into your video, it sounded like your car was being bombarded by rocks..lol.
what case is that that you have for the Prime? is that Copilot app free?
Thanks, I went down a street that had potholes being filled with blacktop, that was kicking up in the wheel wells.
The case is a case from Targus, it's for the Transformer not for the TF201. It woks fairly well but is a little large for the TF201. It will do till the case for the TF201 comes out.
The Co- Pilot app is not frre.
All,
I am open to suggestions on what to do with my prime. Some background:
I bought it because I wanted an Android table that I didn't have to hack to make work and that I didn't have to keep plugged in all the time. I had a Viewsonic Gtablet and that was such a turd I was totally disgusted with having to support it anytime I wanted to use it. I just wanted it to work, but as I am an Engineer by trade I liked the flexiblity that came with an Android tablet vs an iPad.
I was one of the early ones to get the prime, and as such I thoroughly tested everything, screen bleed, dead pixels, battery, bluetooth, wireless, GPS, the whole 9 yards. Then I got the patch that came out around New Years Day and never got GPS back. I called support and they wanted me to send it in for at least 7 days. I found that to be ridiculous and decided to live with it. I got hopeful that as other people got theirs working with newer patches mine would too.
I just got the new patch the other day, still no GPS and as I was trying to use my tablet tonight, it was slower than dirt. I run a speed test and I get 1.5Mbps down, and I pull out my phone and run a speed test over wireless (802.11, not 4G) and I get 15Mbps down. Ran the same tests a few times with consistent results.
I just want a tablet that works and everything works as it should. I don't want an Apple product as I take long flights and like to be able to watch mkvs as well as a couple of other things Apple doesn't do easily. I really thought my Prime would be the solution for me.
So your thoughts on my options:
Return it to ASUS for service, how likely am I to be satisified with those results?
I see that there is a potential fix for GPS, is there one for WIFI? I don't want to hack it to get my stuff to work, but it is an option.
Sell it and buy an Apple Product.
My wife has an iPad and anytime I have issues with my Prime, I pick hers up and it just rocks and rolls. I really like Android and the features it offers over an iOS device, not to mention I really HATE iTunes.
Thanks in advance,
Kevin
I understand about itunes, it drove my away from apple also. But it seems as if the Prime really isn't the tablet for you. I don't know if its just hardware or bad luck, either way I sorry to hear your having problems.
I don't think anyone can make the decision as to what you should do, however it seems as if you have made up your mind already. If you think ipad is a better solution then that might be the better pad for you. Good luck.
unlock it, throw a custom rom on it. worries will be over
IMO, try to return it for a device with C20 or above on the serial number.
Check and see if you can get an exchange, or refund. Refund is probably the better idea over exchange.
For GPS.. if the feature is important to you, Transformer Prime simply isn't the right tablet for you. Look for other alternatives .....
As for WIFI:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5688/apple-ipad-2012-review/18
It could just be Anandtech's Prime (however, mine is similar to Annandtech.. slightly better or worse on each given day)... but either way, you will be taking a chance if you wish to re-purchase Transformer Prime.
shinzz said:
Check and see if you can get an exchange, or refund. Refund is probably the better idea over exchange.
For GPS.. if the feature is important to you, Transformer Prime simply isn't the right tablet for you. Look for other alternatives .....
As for WIFI:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5688/apple-ipad-2012-review/18
It could just be Anandtech's Prime (however, mine is similar to Annandtech.. slightly better or worse on each given day)... but either way, you will be taking a chance if you wish to re-purchase Transformer Prime.
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Why is GPS so important? If you really have this device mounted in your car, you should be shot. A 10 inch screen has no place in your car. Look at the road, for christ. Buy a decent smartphone that has GPS. There's really no reason for a tablet to have GPS anymore, with the Wifi system.
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here is my suggestion~
Prime isn't perfect, nor the new ipad is and its hard for every user to expect its do all the things it supposed to do (I know its on the spec and we all want it working fine... but u know ipad wasn't perfect too, though it came with a extra egg-cooking function which is not on the spec list) I guess in other few patches, Prime will finally work the way u want it be, but u know, getting other tablet may disappoint u in other ways as well. chances are always there~
so if u really want GPS then refund it~
if u can bear the difference of 1.5 mbps and 15 mbps, then it worth the wait ~
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All,
I am open to suggestions on what to do with my prime. Some background:
I bought it because I wanted an Android table that I didn't have to hack to make work and that I didn't have to keep plugged in all the time. I had a Viewsonic Gtablet and that was such a turd I was totally disgusted with having to support it anytime I wanted to use it. I just wanted it to work, but as I am an Engineer by trade I liked the flexiblity that came with an Android tablet vs an iPad.
I was one of the early ones to get the prime, and as such I thoroughly tested everything, screen bleed, dead pixels, battery, bluetooth, wireless, GPS, the whole 9 yards. Then I got the patch that came out around New Years Day and never got GPS back. I called support and they wanted me to send it in for at least 7 days. I found that to be ridiculous and decided to live with it. I got hopeful that as other people got theirs working with newer patches mine would too.
I just got the new patch the other day, still no GPS and as I was trying to use my tablet tonight, it was slower than dirt. I run a speed test and I get 1.5Mbps down, and I pull out my phone and run a speed test over wireless (802.11, not 4G) and I get 15Mbps down. Ran the same tests a few times with consistent results.
I just want a tablet that works and everything works as it should. I don't want an Apple product as I take long flights and like to be able to watch mkvs as well as a couple of other things Apple doesn't do easily. I really thought my Prime would be the solution for me.
So your thoughts on my options:
Return it to ASUS for service, how likely am I to be satisified with those results?
I see that there is a potential fix for GPS, is there one for WIFI? I don't want to hack it to get my stuff to work, but it is an option.
Sell it and buy an Apple Product.
My wife has an iPad and anytime I have issues with my Prime, I pick hers up and it just rocks and rolls. I really like Android and the features it offers over an iOS device, not to mention I really HATE iTunes.
Thanks in advance,
Kevin
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Well if you can live a few months without a tablet, return it and wait for the infinity... It should resolve most of the issues.
rorytmeadows said:
Why is GPS so important? If you really have this device mounted in your car, you should be shot. A 10 inch screen has no place in your car. Look at the road, for christ. Buy a decent smartphone that has GPS. There's really no reason for a tablet to have GPS anymore, with the Wifi system.
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Amen!!, This should be stickied and placed in bold. Anybody who buys a wifi device (like the Prime) that would have to be tethered to another device with a cell radio (like a cell phone) to be used properly, but complains that the GPS won't work, needs to rethink the purpose for a wifi tablet.
GPS on a tablet is a gimmick feature at best and I don't blame Asus for removing it from spec. It certainly isn't worth the headache it has casued.
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Amen!!, This should be stickied and placed in bold. Anybody who buys a wifi device (like the Prime) that would have to be tethered to another device with a cell radio (like a cell phone) to be used properly, but complains that the GPS won't work, needs to rethink the purpose for a wifi tablet.
GPS on a tablet is a gimmick feature at best and I don't blame Asus for removing it from spec. It certainly isn't worth the headache it has casued.
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Part of the problem with the Prime forum is ill-informed posts like this one, and the post that prompted it. Note, I'm not singling out the individual posters here as this seems to be a very common sentiment on the Prime forum these days, but just using these posts as an example.
There are many reasons why someone might want GPS on their WiFi only tablet beyond navigation, and even if you did want to use it for navigation in a vehicle, there is absolutely *no* requirement for it to be tethered if you have offline maps.
There are plenty of apps out there that rely on GPS for things like marine navigation, hiking, geo-tagging photos etc that don't need data access, but require having working GPS. Something like the Prime with its IPS+ screen is ideal for those sorts of uses, *if* the GPS worked correctly. Saying that it is a "gimmick feature", or doesn't matter because the WiFi iPad doesn't have it, is patently absurd.
Ok, so Asus have stopped advertising the Prime as having GPS, but that doesn't help those who purchase the Prime beforehand, or those like the OP who had functioning GPS which was nerfed by an update.
It's incredibly short-sighted to just assume that because *you* don't have a use for GPS on a WiFi tablet, no one else does.
Can we please stop with attacking people who just want their tablets to work as they expected?
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Part of the problem with the Prime forum is ill-informed posts like this one, and the post that prompted it. Note, I'm not singling out the individual posters here as this seems to be a very common sentiment on the Prime forum these days, but just using these posts as an example.
There are many reasons why someone might want GPS on their WiFi only tablet beyond navigation, and even if you did want to use it for navigation in a vehicle, there is absolutely *no* requirement for it to be tethered if you have offline maps.
There are plenty of apps out there that rely on GPS for things like marine navigation, hiking, geo-tagging photos etc that don't need data access, but require having working GPS. Something like the Prime with its IPS+ screen is ideal for those sorts of uses, *if* the GPS worked correctly. Saying that it is a "gimmick feature", or doesn't matter because the WiFi iPad doesn't have it, is patently absurd.
Ok, so Asus have stopped advertising the Prime as having GPS, but that doesn't help those who purchase the Prime beforehand, or those like the OP who had functioning GPS which was nerfed by an update.
It's incredibly short-sighted to just assume that because *you* don't have a use for GPS on a WiFi tablet, no one else does.
Can we please stop with attacking people who just want their tablets to work as they expected?
Regards,
Dave
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Thank you Dave, couldn't have said it better myself.
I didn't buy the tablet so that I could mount it on my dashboard and drive around with it. My previous tablet didn't have GPS, the Apple products do as does the original Transformer. When I pre-ordered mine GPS was listed as a feature and I expected it to work right. It did right out of the box until the first patch came, Asus doesn't recognize it as a hardware problem. GPS is not just for directions, there are quite a bit of applications out there that use Location Based Services and when you aren't connected to Wi-Fi, it would be nice that the GPS actually worked as GPS is a better at Location Based Services than Wi-Fi is.
I also bought a product that supports Wi-FI, accepting that 1.5Mbps down is not really an option.
I just want a product that works everytime I pick it up. The Gtablet was not that product as the ROMS were always in development, and there was always one feature or another not working. That is why when I bout the Prime I wanted a product that just worked.
Kevin
ill1 said:
I understand about itunes, it drove my away from apple also. But it seems as if the Prime really isn't the tablet for you. I don't know if its just hardware or bad luck, either way I sorry to hear your having problems.
I don't think anyone can make the decision as to what you should do, however it seems as if you have made up your mind already. If you think ipad is a better solution then that might be the better pad for you. Good luck.
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Thank you ill,
I haven't made up my mind yet, I really really do not want an Apple product. I really want a functioning Android product. I was more posting to see what suggestions people had to get mine to be fully functioning as the product that was advertised and I bought.
Kevin
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IMO, try to return it for a device with C20 or above on the serial number.
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returning it is not an option as this was a pre-order and I only had 30 days to return it. I got it the last week of December 2011.
Why not try the Samsung tab 10.1?
If GPS is a requirement, I'd go for a cheap bluetooth GPS, if you can find one that's compatible, and rely on a mobile hotspot if you need data on the road. That being said, I dunno if the bluetooth + wifi problem affects GPS in such a configuration. The Samsung tablet is also a good alternative...that, and a good Windows tablet can be overlaid with RoadRunner or other control and give you a car-oriented interface for Nav and control of music, etc. that rivals a lot of factory control systems. From what I've seen of what's available in android thus far, the options for a control interface in android don't come close to what's available for windows...
My combination of problems differs; I never had a usable GPS, but since the .15 update, I've had no GPS at all (no satellites). That, and the no serial issue, and the bluetooth (A2DP) drops out when streaming audio or video over wifi.
I'm thinking about an RMA, but I'm not encouraged by the reports of effectiveness for forum members that have gone through the process...I'm kinda waiting on the "big announcement" from Gary before I pass judgment on the RMA. I'm kinda hoping on being able to unlock the device at some point, and at least be able to load a custom ROM if I'm stuck with no OTA updates. In the mean time, the tablet makes a great media consumption device and game platform, and I'd like to explore the keyboard option in the near future.
To those with a problem with a car mount: You'd rather someone use a 4.5" Garmin or a dash-mount 7" factory nav? You do know that it's easier to glance at a larger screen when it comes to navigating, right? I don't suggest use of the tablet while driving: Pre-program your routes (and playlists for music) before you go, and pull over for geo-tagging or finding restaurants, etc....but there's no reason a tablet can't be used for in-car purposes, so long as you use a little common sense and foresight. I run a laptop with an in-dash touch screen (7") carputer system, it works fine this way.
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If GPS is a requirement, I'd go for a cheap bluetooth GPS, if you can find one that's compatible, and rely on a mobile hotspot if you need data on the road. That being said, I dunno if the bluetooth + wifi problem affects GPS in such a configuration. The Samsung tablet is also a good alternative...that, and a good Windows tablet can be overlaid with RoadRunner or other control and give you a car-oriented interface for Nav and control of music, etc. that rivals a lot of factory control systems. From what I've seen of what's available in android thus far, the options for a control interface in android don't come close to what's available for windows...
My combination of problems differs; I never had a usable GPS, but since the .15 update, I've had no GPS at all (no satellites). That, and the no serial issue, and the bluetooth (A2DP) drops out when streaming audio or video over wifi.
I'm thinking about an RMA, but I'm not encouraged by the reports of effectiveness for forum members that have gone through the process...I'm kinda waiting on the "big announcement" from Gary before I pass judgment on the RMA. I'm kinda hoping on being able to unlock the device at some point, and at least be able to load a custom ROM if I'm stuck with no OTA updates. In the mean time, the tablet makes a great media consumption device and game platform, and I'd like to explore the keyboard option in the near future.
To those with a problem with a car mount: You'd rather someone use a 4.5" Garmin or a dash-mount 7" factory nav? You do know that it's easier to glance at a larger screen when it comes to navigating, right? I don't suggest use of the tablet while driving: Pre-program your routes (and playlists for music) before you go, and pull over for geo-tagging or finding restaurants, etc....but there's no reason a tablet can't be used for in-car purposes, so long as you use a little common sense and foresight. I run a laptop with an in-dash touch screen (7") carputer system, it works fine this way.
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I actually purchased cheap Bluetooth GPS to tether to my Prime. I personally find it annoying that I have to carry multiple device & charger... =/
This will ultimately depend on the user...
As for big announcement, don't expect a miracle or hardware "solution" provided by Asus (especially on GPS).
Btw, if the OP can wait.. there are other options.
Such as this one...
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-A510-10s...TWKA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333374516&sr=8-1
reNeglect said:
Well if you can live a few months without a tablet, return it and wait for the infinity... It should resolve most of the issues.
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Returned mine to Amazon today and now eagerly awaiting the arrival of the Infinity so that I can buy it!
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returning it is not an option as this was a pre-order and I only had 30 days to return it. I got it the last week of December 2011.
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You should be able to RMA it with Asus. If the unit they send as a replacement doesn't meet your needs, sell it on eBay. Even used you should have no problem getting $400-450 for it.
I haven't had any of the issues you have described aside from the poor GPS. WiFi works great, the tablet's performance is smooth and apps run fast with no issue. Also the latest update got rid of the annoying "Browser Not Responding" glitch after I did a factory reset.
FYI, GPS never really worked. It it seemed to either you hadn't really tested it, or the Prime was lying to you
If GPS is a necessary feature you will never be happy with the Prime. And yes, I also have an early model (BBOK) with GPS listed as a feature on the box.
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FYI, GPS never really worked. It it seemed to either you hadn't really tested it, or the Prime was lying to you
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I tested my unit very thoroughly as soon as I got it out of the box. I was consistently getting a very fast lock on to at least 13 satellites inside my house. Not sure how the prime would have lied about that. Since the first update around January 1, I cannot get it to lock on to any sattelites outside my house in a field no matter how I hold the unit.
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Part of the problem with the Prime forum is ill-informed posts like this one, and the post that prompted it. Note, I'm not singling out the individual posters here as this seems to be a very common sentiment on the Prime forum these days, but just using these posts as an example.
There are many reasons why someone might want GPS on their WiFi only tablet beyond navigation, and even if you did want to use it for navigation in a vehicle, there is absolutely *no* requirement for it to be tethered if you have offline maps.
There are plenty of apps out there that rely on GPS for things like marine navigation, hiking, geo-tagging photos etc that don't need data access, but require having working GPS. Something like the Prime with its IPS+ screen is ideal for those sorts of uses, *if* the GPS worked correctly. Saying that it is a "gimmick feature", or doesn't matter because the WiFi iPad doesn't have it, is patently absurd.
Ok, so Asus have stopped advertising the Prime as having GPS, but that doesn't help those who purchase the Prime beforehand, or those like the OP who had functioning GPS which was nerfed by an update.
It's incredibly short-sighted to just assume that because *you* don't have a use for GPS on a WiFi tablet, no one else does.
Can we please stop with attacking people who just want their tablets to work as they expected?
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Dave
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I'm not singling out any individual posters either but since you used mine and noted the one that prompted my response then I'll respond to you.
On this forum I come across a lot of threads that get hijacked because of the GPS issue, it's a known problem Asus acknowledged it and took it off spec. You could always ask for a refund or sell it and get one that is better suited for your needs. It would be a completely different thing if Asus hadn't acknowledged it or worse just simply ignored it but they haven't.
No GPS is not an issue for me, but I understand it is for others however Asus has said it may not work properly and should not be considered in place of a professional GPS unit. There are other tablets that may be a better fit for users who need GPS . So I don't believe it's me who's being short sighted.
I never meant to attack anyone if you feel attacked I apologize but I stand by what I wrote.
I'm started this thread because it seems there are a lot of TF201 owners, like me, who feel that the GPS fix is good, but a WIFI fix would be better. Hopefully we can keep the feet to the fire and get some improvements here too.
My WIFI works very well in a 20 foot radius around the router. But step outside that bubble and it drops off significantly. I will need to buy a new access point to have good connectivity in the kitchen. That sucks.
Apparently the C3+ serial numbers are better, here's hoping. I've stayed positive about ASUS and the TF201 since December. Please ASUS, fix the WIFI, not the GPS.
Cheers.
I expressed my opinion in the "thread opened by Gary", it's not necessary to start another discussion here.
I wil folow the primary one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1537260
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I expressed my opinion in the "thread opened by Gary", it's not necessary to start another discussion here.
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Fair enough. But that thread is about general product updates, this is specifically addressing the issue that WIFI is more important than GPS.
Typical 21st century human behavior thx for an almost perfect product but we need MORE!
Not flaming just trashing around. Wifi is more important than GPS. Are wifi repeater that expensive? I'd just go ahead and buy one if that solve all your problems ^^
In my case wifi is good enough. Meaning its similar to my other devices like my phone. It could always be better but i think its as good as it gets with a mobile device that's so thin and made out of aluminum
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I'm started this thread because it seems there are a lot of TF201 owners, like me, who feel that the GPS fix is good, but a WIFI fix would be better. Hopefully we can keep the feet to the fire and get some improvements here too.
My WIFI works very well in a 20 foot radius around the router. But step outside that bubble and it drops off significantly. I will need to buy a new access point to have good connectivity in the kitchen. That sucks.
Apparently the C3+ serial numbers are better, here's hoping. I've stayed positive about ASUS and the TF201 since December. Please ASUS, fix the WIFI, not the GPS.
Cheers.
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I couldn't agree more.
Swap out older models with newer ones that apperrntly have better WiFi
Ever heard the saying you can't please everyone
GPS problems is affecting probably 99% of primes when wi-fi problems are affecting lets say 20%...as a company which would you adress first?
I have had a prime since day of release in UK & have stated on numerous occasions only problem I have is GPS. I do not do all these wi-fi speed tests, bench marks etc I think they just placebo, If you get low scores you are convinced tablet is slow & reverse for if you get high scores. I test my Prime by how it compares to my other products & yes my wi-fi is just as good as my neetbook,phone & old hannspad tablet
wow people are never happy. be glad that asus is actually doing something about the gps. its good to see that a company cares enough about its customers who have ALREADY bought their products to fix it up. i'm sure they will fix up wifi aswell. its good to have a responsive company.
Quit complaining and contact Gary directly. This thread is useless.
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Typical 21st century human behavior thx for an almost perfect product but we need MORE!
Not flaming just trashing around. Wifi is more important than GPS. Are wifi repeater that expensive? I'd just go ahead and buy one if that solve all your problems ^^
In my case wifi is good enough. Meaning its similar to my other devices like my phone. It could always be better but i think its as good as it gets with a mobile device that's so thin and made out of aluminum
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I don't think that it is practical to carry around a wifi repeater everywhere you go...
I agree and posted about this in another thread. While some people use GPS on a tablet, ALL people use wifi on a wifi only tablet.
Perhaps the wifi issue is not as easy and can only be fixed via a panel change. The C3 model apparently does have some bill of material changes for wifi internally, but this will not overcome the attenuation issue caused by the all aluminum back panel.
That said, Flub does have a point that GPS does not work well at all, but some are having better luck with wifi. I disagree on the 20%, but the point is still valid.
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I agree and posted about this in another thread. While some people use GPS on a tablet, ALL people use wifi on a wifi only tablet.
Perhaps the wifi issue is not as easy and can only be fixed via a panel change. The C3 model apparently does have some bill of material changes for wifi internally, but this will not overcome the attenuation issue caused by the all aluminum back panel.
That said, Flub does have a point that GPS does not work well at all, but some are having better luck with wifi. I disagree on the 20%, but the point is still valid.
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Hmm... I wonder how much ASUS is dishing out per 'dongle'.
$10?
xGary said:
I don't think that it is practical to carry around a wifi repeater everywhere you go...
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Actually for me it is... I have a WL330N3G for that purpose
The point of the OP is that by repairing the GPS, which was needed, they're still not out of the water yet.
And why should I have to buy an new AP if the device is supposed to work properly? I'll do it -- but it doesn't make the original problem right.
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The point of the OP is that by repairing the GPS, which was needed, they're still not out of the water yet.
And why should I have to buy an new AP if the device is supposed to work properly? I'll do it -- but it doesn't make the original problem right.
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You just signed you death sentence. HOW DARE YOU REQUEST A FULLY WORKING PRODUCT FROM ASUS!!??
FcUk gps, don't care much anyway, wifi location is good enough for most of the stuff, but poor wifi on a wifi ONLY device? It's like antenna on an old tv, usable once you fiddle around with it, but right pain in the ass, and god forbid to move it a millimetre.
I don't agree with people bashing you for starting this topic, its a good point.
I didn't exactly purchase this prime for its GPS, i like having the gps to update my location, etc., but I purchased it for its WIFI.
I own an HTC Sensation, which has a metal/plastic case. I receive a much stronger wifi signal with my phone than my prime.
I own an ASUS wifi-N dongle for one of my PCs. It would be awesome if I could use the dongle on my dock, I wouldn't mind that.
great news none the less as it apparently is not going to cost us anything.
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-offers-transformer-prime-owners-hardware-gps-fix-06221855/
Have anyone received an email notice from ASUS yet?
I can't remember, but I hoped I signed up to their website. I think I did when got my Prime 3 months ago.
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Ever heard the saying you can't please everyone
GPS problems is affecting probably 99% of primes when wi-fi problems are affecting lets say 20%...as a company which would you adress first?
I have had a prime since day of release in UK & have stated on numerous occasions only problem I have is GPS. I do not do all these wi-fi speed tests, bench marks etc I think they just placebo, If you get low scores you are convinced tablet is slow & reverse for if you get high scores. I test my Prime by how it compares to my other products & yes my wi-fi is just as good as my neetbook,phone & old hannspad tablet
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I seriously doubt wifi on your prime is "as good as" your other devices. My prime is slower than every one of my other 9 devices in my house. I don't care about benchmarks...they only reaffirm what I already see in everyday use. Try streaming a 1080p or even a 720p more than 20 feet away from your router and you'll likely see a problem. Depending on where you are in your house and how big your house is, the problem will be worse for some.
On campus I can barely use wifi even though it works great on my Galaxy Nexus. I'm having to buy a repeater just for the Asus Transformer Prime. At only 2 rooms away it is unusable for anything but casual web browsing.
And don't get me started on bluetooth + wifi.
At this point, despite loving everything else about my prime, I would love to just return it but I am outside of my return policy by a good bit.
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I seriously doubt wifi on your prime is "as good as" your other devices. My prime is slower than every one of my other 9 devices in my house. I don't care about benchmarks...they only reaffirm what I already see in everyday use. Try streaming a 1080p or even a 720p more than 20 feet away from your router and you'll likely see a problem. Depending on where you are in your house and how big your house is, the problem will be worse for some.
On campus I can barely use wifi even though it works great on my Galaxy Nexus. I'm having to buy a repeater just for the Asus Transformer Prime. At only 2 rooms away it is unusable for anything but casual web browsing.
And don't get me started on bluetooth + wifi.
At this point, despite loving everything else about my prime, I would love to just return it but I am outside of my return policy by a good bit.
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Nope, it's just you.
My Wifi is just as good on my Asus notebook, actually better then my HP notebook and my G2 phone.
bluewr said:
Nope, it's just you.
My Wifi is just as good on my Asus notebook, actually better then my HP notebook and my G2 phone.
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yup, all the other complaints on this forum and elsewhere are just me signed in under a different username.
I fail to see how your supposedly perfect TF201 means those that have hardware issues shouldn't complain.