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I saw this on some of the CES report too.
I use Windows 7 and enjoy it greatly. But I don't see it as being a tablet operating system. (I actually did use it with a touch/stylus laptop a while.)
But I use my tablets differently. And I won't be using them to do MS Office Work either (except maybe to read/preview.)
I don't know why Microsoft can't figure out that we use different machines for different purposes.
Rev
P. S. -- I didn't write this well -- but I think most power users will get what I'm talking about. One device won't do all things for all people -- not even those made by the fruity folks!
Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.
In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
Wtf would you want Windows on your gTab? You're not going to be running the vast majority of software on it...
I'd bet it's for the arm based netbooks
There is absolutely no vesion of windows that would ever work on a tablet device in the way that Apple Os4 for ipad and upcoming honeycomb are designed to work
Tablets are going to replace 50% of the netbook market (for the people who want something even lighter and do not do office type intensive tasks on their net books) and probably result in 1/3rd of the smart phone users abandoning their smart phones in favor of using a tablet (lower data plan, larger screen, faster processors...portable enough to keep with you tucked away some where when a lap top was too heavy). With wi fi springing up nearly EVERYWHERE, there wont even be a need for a month plan/3g/4g set up for 75% of users.
This is going to be a huge market.
Here is how i see it going.
The Google/tablet market is going to dominate in the same way as the Windows/PC market did through the 90s and 00s for the computer.
Apple with its walled garden approach will lose most of its gains in the tablet market and wind up basically in the same market share position it did when going against MS/PC on the computer front.
MS is going to keep pushing its "frankenstein" tablet approach trying to cram a windows OS that is NOT optimized nor designed from the ground up for tablets until it becomes AT BEST the PS3 of tablets (very powerful..the most expensive, with less support, less market share, and really having largly unused features and applications compared to the android).
To continue that analogy, Droid will wind up beig the "xbox" of tablets, while apple will be come the "wii" of tablets and (MS will become the "ps3" of tablets).
Going back to the PC analogy. Droid will become the microsft of tablets, apple will remain....well apple, while microsoft ends up in the category largely reserved for corporate/industrial/server users.
I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.
Jim
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I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.
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"Next generation" in Microsoft speak means "larger, more bloated, slightly more functional than last generation" or at least that has been the case with EVERY SINGLE iteration of MS releases since 1993 when i had a win 3.1 pc ( with the possible exception of win 7 which is basically win vista on a diet with less bugs made more user friendly.
Heck the entire REASON for win64 was to increase the amount of Ram windows can use ( my desk top now runs w 8Gigs of ram).
Win CE win moble never came close to whar ipad os4 is or what i believe honeycomb to be. The upcoming win7 tablets look to repeat history.
I am not saying you are wrong about win8, but if you are right, it would represent a fundamental change in the MS paradigm. SOMETHING i dont believe has ever happened since they ripped off apple os after they ripped off xerox.
MS has stated that Windows 8 will be their biggest gamble yet, supposedly with a more apple like experience.
I see no reason why Windows 8 wouldn't work on the G-Tab.
Microsoft demoed it on a 3 year old laptop last month and aside from a few minor bugs, it worked very smooth.
It will also offer multiple interface options such as a Windows 7 phone like interface as well as a standard windows interface so that could also be very handy if they can pull it off properly.
They also promised ARM process or support and with the dual core processor in the G-Tab (mine currently running at 1.5 ghz) I think I would find it quite handy to be able to run some Windows apps while on the road somewhere.
I'm quite confident we will see a port of Windows 8 for the G-Tab, though I hope they're also able to support dual booting so I'm not stuck with just one OS option.
It seems pretty optimistic of Microsoft to think they can pull all of this off but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt just for trying.
Just my two cents.
-Maj
I'm with Maj, but thee thing is will they make a ARM version of thee OS
A link you might find interesting: http://forums.legitreviews.com/about36766.html
More recent news article:http://rcpmag.com/articles/2011/09/20/analysis-will-windows-8-support-x86-apps-or-wont-it.aspx
Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
I like Windows 7 on my desktop, I have XP and Ubuntu dual-booting on my laptop, and Gingerbread on my Atrix and Gtab.
MS does need to realize that our different devices are used for different purposes and need to be configured and run differently for that. I do not believe they can make it all happen with one OS. You would need such disparate branches that they would essentially be different OSs.
U might be right. I know someone was saying that windowsce 7 was or might be similar since windows 8 is geared from window mobile phone 7
With only 512Mb it will run like a dog, even ice cream sandwich needs more then 512m to run smooth from what I read. Now that the new Nvidia chip being 7 times faster according to Apple, most tablet will be under power to run the new crops of OS IMO.
Way off base on Windows and it's role in our computing lives, and especially off base on what Microsoft can and cannot do. I have many complaints about Microsoft but they are FAR more advanced in mobile than they ever get credit for.
Apple took an iPod OS and made it into a phone and then a tablet. Windows mobile wasn't nearly as good a product but that was partially an attempt to make the mobile devices capable of running what they expected from Microsoft. Apple can get away with abandoning previous functionality (not so easy for them today with the share on tablets and phones) but Microsoft is expected to have that functionality.
If Microsoft would have come out with a capacitive touch tablet with the limitations of the first iPad they would have been justifiably booed. Not the same for Apple or Google who didn't have that legacy.
Windows on a tablet is a natural and will happen. Will it happen on out gTab? Maybe not but that would be more a function of Viewsonic and their ability to support us out into the future than it does with Microsoft.
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kieso said:
Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
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You'd be a fool.
If you want a laptop or desktop to be a productive tool you need the capability a full blown OS offers. Android and our tablets serve a different purpose.
When my tablet gets closer to the capability of my netbook then we can talk about the future of Android.
(I do love my gTab. It works great!)
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Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.
In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
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I also have a BE-300! They are a cool little device and it was cutting edge back in the day. The modding on that device was one of the reasons that I bought a gTab, I remember the fun I had flashing and hacking that device. I just ordered a new minolta np 200 battery yesterday and plan to resurect the old girl when it arrives (soldering iron required)!
As for windows 8 I think it looks like a fisher price OS!
Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:
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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher
To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch
To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768
To snap apps, you need a screen resolution of at least 1366 x 768
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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.
-maj
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Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:
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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher
To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch
To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768
To snap apps, you need a screen resolution of at least 1366 x 768
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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.
-maj
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As I recall windows 7 also said 1gb was its minimum ram, but I had it running perfectly fine on an old pentium 2 with 512mb. But as I also recall, Win8 requires a version of arm the gtablet doesn't have.
I'm not gonna lie, Once an ARM release for Windows 8 gets released, I will put it on the Prime ASAP. Why?
I have been following the Build of Windows 8 for some time. I must admit, I am whole-heartily impressed at the awesome features that are coming. The developer tools that Microsoft released will also make it easy for developers to port their apps to x86 and ARM. The marketplace will open up a store that half a billion people could potentially look at.
Windows is the behemoth of the computing age and they are charging directly into mobile computing. I choose Windows over Android because I want more than what Android has to offer.
I want good browsers, application support, enterprise support, and a desktop OS with Metro integration.
If you want to see why I am excited for Windows 8, don't listen to me!
Watch the first Keynote and you will be wowed at what's coming:
http://channel9.msdn.com/events/BUILD/BUILD2011/KEY-0001
Also, here is the Build Blog, where Microsoft is actually taking advice on creating Windows 8.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
I hope everyone is as excited as I am for what's coming. Remember this: Even if you hate Windows-everything, you should be excited for it. Windows 8 will force Android and iOS to really push harder in creating a full-fledged mobile OS.
The Prime is the perfect tablet for both Android, and Windows 8.
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I'm not gonna lie, Once an ARM release for Windows 8 gets released, I will put it on the Prime ASAP. Why?
I have been following the Build of Windows 8 for some time. I must admit, I am whole-heartily impressed at the awesome features that are coming. The developer tools that Microsoft released will also make it easy for developers to port their apps to x86 and ARM. The marketplace will open up a store that half a billion people could potentially look at.
Windows is the behemoth of the computing age and they are charging directly into mobile computing. I choose Windows over Android because I want more than what Android has to offer.
I want good browsers, application support, enterprise support, and a desktop OS with Metro integration.
If you want to see why I am excited for Windows 8, don't listen to me!
Watch the first Keynote and you will be wowed at what's coming:
http://channel9.msdn.com/events/BUILD/BUILD2011/KEY-0001
Also, here is the Build Blog, where Microsoft is actually taking advice on creating Windows 8.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
I hope everyone is as excited as I am for what's coming. Remember this: Even if you hate Windows-everything, you should be excited for it. Windows 8 will force Android and iOS to really push harder in creating a full-fledged mobile OS.
The Prime is the perfect tablet for both Android, and Windows 8.
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how much is it going to cost to buy windows 8 for the transformer? if its anything like the current windows, you will have to pay for upgrade and all that.
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how much is it going to cost to buy windows 8 for the transformer? if its anything like the current windows, you will have to pay for upgrade and all that.
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That's a good question. Just like every other Windows release out there, if you are too poor; Piracy is just too easy. But I don't think I will resort to that. Something I have noticed is the lack of mentioning toward different versions of Windows 8. If feels as if there will be the consumer, server edition, and ARM edition(?).
I don't know.
Why don't you just wait and get a Windows tablet, if you want a Windows tablet?
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Why don't you just wait and get a Windows tablet, if you want a Windows tablet?
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Because why wait? Windows 8 works great on the Tegra 3 chip! 1GB of RAM is plenty as Windows 8 uses less memory than Windows 7. Also, I love the Transformer. I'm sure Asus will release the Prime for Windows variant, but I love Android as well.
In my opinion Ms has missed the train and that they did it twice,the first one being when they left the WM unsupported and went to WP7 there by giving up the lead to the emreging OSs with a very big margin,and now another grave mistake will be if x86 apps will not run on the ARM version,which will need a couple of years to develop new ones,well I can imagine the IOS and android with there aliready big advantage where will they be by than!!.
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In my opinion Ms has missed the train and that they did it twice,the first one being when they left the WM unsupported and went to WP7 there by giving up the lead to the emreging OSs with a very big margin,and now another grave mistake will be if x86 apps will not run on the ARM version,which will need a couple of years to develop new ones,well I can imagine the IOS and android with there aliready big advantage where will they be by than!!.
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Microsoft is making a painful transition. They are working hard at porting their full Windows OS onto ARM. I believe they see that ARM architecture will be the future of low-power, high performance computing. They will certainly support Windows 8, but what they will struggle with is convincing all x86 developers supporting the Windows platform to port their applications over to ARM as well. It is not Microsoft's fault that ARM will not run x86 applications; it is a necessity and Microsoft cannot afford to wait much longer.
ive actually been thinking about this. i love android and wouldn't replace it on the prime for the world but would it be possible without breaking some laws? i remember when the hd2 got wp7 there was a few threads in the evo forum saying that since we have the same hardware can we get it to. and apparently it violated "warez" or something so we couldn't. so... if this does come to the prime then it would be sweet but idk if it ever will... (p.s. i could be wrong so if anyone has anything to correct me on then please feel free)
I'm definitely interested in dual booting later.. hopefully win installation will be viable in some way.
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ive actually been thinking about this. i love android and wouldn't replace it on the prime for the world but would it be possible without breaking some laws? i remember when the hd2 got wp7 there was a few threads in the evo forum saying that since we have the same hardware can we get it to. and apparently it violated "warez" or something so we couldn't. so... if this does come to the prime then it would be sweet but idk if it ever will... (p.s. i could be wrong so if anyone has anything to correct me on then please feel free)
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I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it's the same case. WP7 is proprietary to Microsoft, which doesn't distribute it freely like Google does with Android. I also don't think consumers can buy a license for WP7 to put on any device, so if the phone doesn't come with it natively, it would be illegal to put it on a non-WP7 phone.
Windows 8, on the other hand, is purchasable buy consumers, so one could legally buy it and put it on whatever device they chose to.
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I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it's the same case. WP7 is proprietary to Microsoft, which doesn't distribute it freely like Google does with Android. I also don't think consumers can buy a license for WP7 to put on any device, so if the phone doesn't come with it natively, it would be illegal to put it on a non-WP7 phone.
Windows 8, on the other hand, is purchasable buy consumers, so one could legally buy it and put it on whatever device they chose to.
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While i fail to see why you would WANT Windows 8, keep in mind that Microsoft may very well not release a purchasable version of Windows 8 ARM to consumers.
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While i fail to see why you would WANT Windows 8, keep in mind that Microsoft may very well not release a purchasable version of Windows 8 ARM to consumers.
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Yes, that's a very good point. But still, it was a legitimate answer to the question posed. But you're right that we shouldn't assume that Windows 8 will be purchasable.
Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Perhaps. Tegra 3 'Kal-El' is the flagship processor for Windows 8 ARM. I think installing Windows on the Prime will be quite easy as its hardware matches what Microsoft has been demonstrating. I think the hardest thing would be getting the Keyboard Dock functioning.
Tempie007 said:
Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Agree. Unbelievably "heavy developer effort"... add the fact that WinRT on ARM does NOT include the Win8 Desktop stack.
Consider the Microsoft developer effort to:
(1) Port Office and any(all) other applications to WinRT so it can be used on ARM - nothing Win7 nor WP7 will directly port to WinRT except maybe hello world and trivial apps. Without Office on the ARM tablet who cares.
(2) Port WinRT to the Windows Phone replacing WP7.
(3) Perform a COMPLETE UX rewrite of any required applications to Metro touch to run under WinRT on ARM.
(4) Build, support, maintain developer tools for all the above.
(5) A million other things.
Unless Microsoft has infinite resources, I do NOT think they will be competitive with Android nor Apple for years (if ever) in the mobile space. This comment usually causes Microsoft zealots much discomfort and denial.
Without Office-Touch Version on WinRT the WinRT platform will FAIL worse than WP7 is failing now. Office on Windows 7 touch is an abortion, e.g. Samsung XE700t1a with Windows 7. It is a catch-22 for Microsoft to make WinRT Office run on ARM platform because that may not generate the *required* Windows 8 Ultimate Home Premium Standard Business Suite Server license revenues.
So, today, Microsoft has not seriously accomplished anything competitive in the mobile spaces. In the future, there is infinite work to accomplish any logical road map but no road map has been announced. The Windows 8 Desktop and WinRT bits from BUILD (and after) are pre-Alpha stage.
In the meantime, Android merged tablet & phone OS to version 4.0, and Apple is also busy with hundreds of million mobile phone and tablet customers.
Waiting for Microsoft to finish something is a great suggestion, but version 1.0 is a huge risk too. Maybe waiting until version 3 of the Microsoft phone and tablet? LOL
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Perhaps. Tegra 3 'Kal-El' is the flagship processor for Windows 8 ARM. I think installing Windows on the Prime will be quite easy as its hardware matches what Microsoft has been demonstrating. I think the hardest thing would be getting the Keyboard Dock functioning.
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Nope, everything regarding drivers must be written, kernel, sound, video, wifi, 3G if data version...one tegra 3 machine does not mean another loads. They must be done for each machine. Oh, I forgot touchscreen also. You just can't load it..it must be developed for it.
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Nope, everything regarding drivers must be written, kernel, sound, video, wifi, 3G if data version...one tegra 3 machine does not mean another loads. They must be done for each machine. Oh, I forgot touchscreen also. You just can't load it..it must be developed for it.
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Yes. Windows 8 would most likely be an OEM-only OS. HOWEVER, The Eee Pad Transformer series will most likely have Windows 8 variants making this hell of a lot easier.
Not gonna like, the metro UI and thus WP7 can go die in a fire, and I mean a REALLY DEADLY one! The blocky TILE interface, with no respect for the ability to get lost in menu's/programs... really sad... I stopped helping friends/family with their WP7 devices after the second week they got them... thankfully most are on Android / Blackberry now... my hate is for the Metro UI, not necessarily the underlying CORE for Win8 and WP7 (the only hate that surpasses that which I have for the MetroUI is the iPhone OS/Software, because the iPhone 4/4S hardware is pretty premo)
However, to give you a counter balance for my above rant, I am currently running the Windows 8 Developer Preview on my desktop, as my ABSOLUTE HATE for Metro UI, it is indeed disabled, and no, that's NOT all there is to see in the Win8DP!
Besides MetroPOS, I love the rest of what they have done with Win8, AND to that effect I WILL be looking forward to DUAL booting (if possible), BUT only if some of the main programs I use see an ARM port since there will be no x86 emulation or back porting! Else the only thing that would even mildly interest me in Dual Booting is the bragging rights to say I have a desktop/laptop OS on a tablet...
So, to sum it up!:
Love Win8
Love DualBooting
Love Android
Love Transformer Prime
Love thought of Win8/Programs running on tablet device
HATE METROPOS (er i mean UI...)
i was thinking more on the line of having both android and windows 8 on the transformer with a dual boot option and when u boot up u pick ur poison
Further to my previous comment, I have been thinking about this, and I think if the opportunity to Dual-Boot came along, I would go for it.
Purely for a full Microsoft Office suite on the Tablet. Then I could leave my laptop at home and take my tablet only!
As the title，I really wish it is impossible to install windows 8 on ASUS Transformers Prime。
it has 1GB memory，over 16GB storge，powerful GPU，and it has a keyboard dock，perfectly use as a laptop pc if could use windows 8。
No! When microsoft will release windows 8 for ARM not x86 or x64 then port of win 8 will be possible. Not now atm...
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No one knows, Windows 8 isn't even released.
I'm starting to think we need a sticky for this question...along with a few others. Or just replace the general forum with a giant search button.
I think alot of people misunderstand Windows 8^^ Windows 8 x86/x64 is just an update for Desktop PC's & Laptops. It has the optional Metro UI so you can have a more "apple-ish" feeling on you PC.
Microsoft also announced they will make a ARM version of Windows 8. And this is the only version interesting for us. It maybe possible to port it to the Transformer, but i think we have to see how closed up it is. Microsoft maybe builds in barriers to prevent it. In recent news i heard that it will probably only have the Metro UI mode. No regular desktop.
Also and this is the main point: x86 apps are NOT compatible with ARM cpus. So you thought about running your normal windows legacy office applications on your transformer? Not going to happen. The code cant be run the Tegra3 cpu. Microsoft may offer a ARM version of Office in the future. But who knows how that will look like or if its any better than the apps we have for android atm.
Windows 8 ARM tablets will be in the same state as android for tablets was one year ago. And its not even out yet. Android has come along way. Windows8 ARM has this way still in front of it.
Of course their will be Tablets for the x86 version of windows 8. But i dont think that will work any better than it does now with windows 7 on tablets. x86 cpu's need alot more power and alot more ram to run smoothly which all results in bad batterylife. And i dont think i want to use Wordx86 in its current state on a touch screen device. Its built for a mouse.
thank you,guys,and specially thank to cloulds5.yeah, cpu differences decide it cound run windows app on pc now.
I am a little fool about that.
ASUS will likely only allow their other tablet, the EP121 Slate to run Windows 8, the tablet currently runs Windows 7 which poorly handles multi-touch, but the Slate device itself has a multi-touch LCD and until the arrival of Windows 8 in late 2012 it will be a unusable feature.
The Transformer is for the Android operating systems, and as it looks the only OS upgrade you'll likely be upgrading the Transformer Prime to will be from Android 3.2 Honeycomb to Android 4 Ice Cream Sandwich.
I don't think Microsoft is going to be successful with Windows 8 in the tablet market, in part because they waited too long and let Google Android build over a hot market.
The current Windows based tablet PCs uses outdated touch screen technology that require a stylus, they have poor battery life and they are huge, 12.1" being the minimum which will be pretty big to carry and use in one hand. Oh and they are expensive. ASUS retailed the Slate EP121 for $1399.
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No, the prime has an andrioid bootloader so without 3rd party attention you won't get Win8 on there. Also windows boot locking probably means you won't be able to load it on the slate without much difficulty anywho. For these reasons and the restricted HDD space Asus are releasing a windows 8 version of the Transformer Prime in Q2/Q3 2012 with windows 8 preinstalled on a larger capacity drive. Also note that the beta of the ARM windows 8 will not be available till late jan / early feb and as stated previous older desktop apps will not run on an ARM chip only those specifically programmed fully in .NET > V3.5. This should be OK for most modern apps though.
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ASUS will likely only allow their other tablet, the EP121 Slate to run Windows 8, the tablet currently runs Windows 7 which poorly handles multi-touch, but the Slate device itself has a multi-touch LCD and until the arrival of Windows 8 in late 2012 it will be a unusable feature.
The Transformer is for the Android operating systems, and as it looks the only OS upgrade you'll likely be upgrading the Transformer Prime to will be from Android 3.2 Honeycomb to Android 4 Ice Cream Sandwich.
I don't think Microsoft is going to be successful with Windows 8 in the tablet market, in part because they waited too long and let Google Android build over a hot market.
The current Windows based tablet PCs uses outdated touch screen technology that require a stylus, they have poor battery life and they are huge, 12.1" being the minimum which will be pretty big to carry and use in one hand. Oh and they are expensive. ASUS retailed the Slate EP121 for $1399.
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With processors such as the Tegra 3 chipset you'll be seeing windows tablets wipe out most competition by late 2015 and most phones will be running reduced windows OS capable of being docked and run as full desktop PCs by 2017.
Can somebody help me understand why Windows 8 is so anticipated? From what I understand, applications will have to be written specifically to be run on windows 8 tablets/mobile phone chipsets, just like Android/iOS apps. In other words, it's not like all the applications I have running on my desktop right now are going to seamlessly run in windows 8. They'll have to be re-written to run in windows 8 on a tablet/phone. In which case it's just another mobile operating system, but this time much better integrated with desktop computers.
I'm genuinely curious; don't know enough about it to know if I should be excited or not.
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Can somebody help me understand why Windows 8 is so anticipated? From what I understand, applications will have to be written specifically to be run on windows 8 tablets/mobile phone chipsets, just like Android/iOS apps. In other words, it's not like all the applications I have running on my desktop right now are going to seamlessly run in windows 8. They'll have to be re-written to run in windows 8 on a tablet/phone. In which case it's just another mobile operating system, but this time much better integrated with desktop computers.
I'm genuinely curious; don't know enough about it to know if I should be excited or not.
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The interface is beautiful and it has some nice features like the multitasking
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Can somebody help me understand why Windows 8 is so anticipated?
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Main reason : Microsoft Office.
Right now android tablets are only good for media consumption. There are no usable office suits out there. I don't know why google doesn't do anything about it. Even their google docs doesn't fully work with the Honeycomb browser, how stupid is that ???
Windows will bring productivity to tablets, and I'm pretty sure its going to be a big threat to Android. furthermore, things like Internet Explorer, Windows networking support, seamless integration with desktop Windows 8, better and smoother UI are going to make it even more attractive.
Bump!!!!
Windows 8 has just been released for a CONSUMER preview, the ARM support looks pretty good. The X86 desktop and office etc are all still there! We've all probably seen videos of Tegra 3 running W8 so we gotto port this
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Main reason : Microsoft Office.
Right now android tablets are only good for media consumption. There are no usable office suits out there. I don't know why google doesn't do anything about it. Even their google docs doesn't fully work with the Honeycomb browser, how stupid is that ???
Windows will bring productivity to tablets, and I'm pretty sure its going to be a big threat to Android. furthermore, things like Internet Explorer, Windows networking support, seamless integration with desktop Windows 8, better and smoother UI are going to make it even more attractive.
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i'm using OfficeSuite Pro & Documents To Go
Both are quite good. while it doesn't have the full capability of Microsoft Office. But for simple stuff, it's pretty good.
Got both free from Amazon's free app of the day
Just something that might need to be mentioned, the snap feature that allows you to split the screen and display two apps at a time is only currently specified to be supported by hardware with a minimum resolution of 1366x768. Correct me if I am wrong by the TF201 only has a resolution of 1280x800.
Hi,
This has been discussed:
Here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1512963&highlight=windows+
and
Here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1475281&highlight=windows+8
and
Here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1444247&highlight=windows+8
and
Here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1435059&highlight=windows+8
and
Here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432005&highlight=windows+8
and
Here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1493829&highlight=windows+8
I definitely missed some,
but that is just the QnA section alone!
I would imagine that every other tablet forum on XDA has similar threads.
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PhoenixFx said:
Main reason : Microsoft Office.
Right now android tablets are only good for media consumption. There are no usable office suits out there. I don't know why google doesn't do anything about it. Even their google docs doesn't fully work with the Honeycomb browser, how stupid is that ???
Windows will bring productivity to tablets, and I'm pretty sure its going to be a big threat to Android. furthermore, things like Internet Explorer, Windows networking support, seamless integration with desktop Windows 8, better and smoother UI are going to make it even more attractive.
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This goes to the OP too. You are better off waiting for a working and usable port of Ubuntu.. which is a desktop environment. Not as easy to use as windows for a novice user, but it is definitely user friendly enough to use a good word processor and the likes.
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features
Have a good day
This looks good..
http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/1...ice-Makers-With-Tegra-3-Powered-Test-PCs.html
I think it might be possible...
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/microsoft_giving_tegra_3_snapdragon_s4_test_pcs_woa_developers
Ok, just wanted to put this up here.
I come from the legendary HTC HD2 so I know nothing is impossible from win6.5 to android is huge
Do you guys think a port of win8 will be possible? i mean they said 1gb of RAM is enough to run win8... and 1.5GHz should not be a problem if Atom is 1.6GHz, since we can overclock it and stuff..
so, is it possible, or whats talking against it?
Technically, its "possible". But nobody is going to take the time to port Windows8 to the Flyer. Windows is closed source, making porting it over extremely difficult. Plus, there would be no drivers to make the hardware work with the OS. I'm no developer, but the enormous amount of work to overcome these obstacles make them infeasible, compared to simply buying a Windows 8 device (when they become available).
On the other hand, there are developers who will try just for the fun of it. Will it be usuable to the general public? I doubt it....
Somebody tell Microsoft!
Hey this thing is already running a version of Linux, you see any ports to a full blown linux tablet?
Nice idea thou, the new Windows 8 looks to be finger friendly
yeah i know it will be a pain in the arse, but hey - some people like to do this just for the fun and recognition - you know, be the one who finally managed to hack win8 and port it to a android device.
its been done before, and i think many will be donating to help.
its a fun thing.. imagine dual boot
You could install Ubuntu on the Flyer, but for what , I don't know.
Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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There are a few reasons why it will never work, most of them people already mentioned
1. You can't compare a 1.6Ghz Intel x86 processor to a 1.6Ghz ARM one, the Flyer is well below the minimum specs.
2. Microsoft will not publicly release their ARM builds, they will only sell them directly to OEMs unlike the desktop version of Windows 8.
3. It's closed source.
4. If someone does miraculously manage to get it running (hey this is xda), functionality will be extremely limited as there is no legacy app support for ARM.
You could install Ubuntu like DigitalMD said and put Win8 on a VM in there.... doubt it would boot though and you would have to find chuck norris and make him round-house kick the lag.
From ALL of the Tablets on the Market, I have checked out ALL of them. The one that I'm the happiest with is the Sprint HTC EVO View Tablet. It's the LOUDEST of ANY & ALL Tablets on the market. Anywhere from a little bit to a lot louder. I know that it's just a 7" screen, but it has the best sound. I would like to get Windows 8 on the HTC EVO View Tablet. i hope that ANYONE can come up with a solution to this. If anyone can come up with a solution to this, then I would put it on the HTC EVO View Tablet ASAP!
It's not possible. Doesn't meet min specs.
We installed it at work on an HP Slate that was running Win7, and it constantly freaked out about the resolution not being high enough. If a device that was meant to run Windows OS is unable to run Win8, it's not going to happen on an Android device. At least not officially.
And considering we can't get an ICS build running, it's a pretty good bet we'll never get Win8 to run.
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It's not possible. Doesn't meet min specs.
We installed it at work on an HP Slate that was running Win7, and it constantly freaked out about the resolution not being high enough. If a device that was meant to run Windows OS is unable to run Win8, it's not going to happen on an Android device. At least not officially.
And considering we can't get an ICS build running, it's a pretty good bet we'll never get Win8 to run.
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I have a slate 500. Did you set it to the higher resolution? Win 8 should work, although the screen is a bit off at the higher resolution.
A bit off topic, I know...
Well that was just one aspect of it.
We weren't able to set the resolution any higher then the max 1024x600. It just wouldn't allow anything higher. It *runs* but anytime you click/swipe etc it vomits error messages.
Still, so many challenges keeping it from happening on the view/flyer. It's a pipe dream.
Yeah this ain't gonna happen. Already got a very good , usable OS.
I"d spend my time improving that and creating better apps
Is it possible looking at hardware? Yes, I think so. The architecture should be fine, as there is an ARM version.
However, what do we need?
-Drivers for Windows 8, and if we want to make this work out correctly, we do need the ability to write drivers ourselves, which is a lot of work.
-A custom bootloader. I hope that, after we get ICS to boot on the Flyer correctly, we can work on a bootloader, as it would be really nice for a real tweakers-tablet, so there might be a possibility for this (not giving an ETA, as I don't know how much work it is and it will take a lot of time, don't get excited on this at all...)
And besides, when we can work on a native Linux-distribution, I don't think it's worth it to work on W8, especially because every way we get it running is not legal. Oh, and let's not forget the work it takes to get it to boot, as it would take quite some magic to get a Windows kernel booting.
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Technically, its "possible". But nobody is going to take the time to port Windows8 to the Flyer. Windows is closed source, making porting it over extremely difficult. Plus, there would be no drivers to make the hardware work with the OS. I'm no developer, but the enormous amount of work to overcome these obstacles make them infeasible, compared to simply buying a Windows 8 device (when they become available).
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and what do you think about windows phone 7 on the HD2? i believe it was extremely hard, but people made it
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Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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f**k you... don't write total bull****s here... it's not a noob forum. i didn't see any other complaints except people's noobiness.. they'll get used to the new controls. they're just awesome.
Naysayers always say nay. I'm amazed at the accomplishments @ XDA thus far and have learned never say never. I for one would love to see this happen.
Some people do things because their told it can't be done.
im using the rtm windows 8 right now i gotta say its pretty good ...early builds had issues but they did good quicker smother would be awesome if they could get windows 8 on my VIEW cuz its def built for mobile ...splashtop for now
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Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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Technically possilbe, but it's extreemely unlikely to happen. Especially since windows is in no way open source, and the flyer doesn't have that many modders.
Hey everyone,
My name is Michael Heller. I'm a writer with PhoneArena.com and I'm working on an article about what Google has to do in order to move Android into the 64-bit world. The article is a work in progress, but I was hoping to get some insight from those of you who likely have more knowledge and understanding of the code than I do.
The article (still in the process of being written), can be found here.
As you can see, I have the basic framework sorted out, but there are some specifics that I need help with relating to the Dalvik VM and the Android runtime and how it will all work once Android is updated to 64-bit, but is still running 32-bit apps. From what I've learned so far, is that Android's multitasking will gonna cause issues on ARM64 due to its *mandatory* EL handling when switching between 32 and 64-bit mode. A single 32-bit app running on 64-bit Android will cause performance issues for the system, and drain the battery much faster.
I'm wondering if there is a way to avoid these issues with bytecode apps on a 64-bit machine, and I'm hoping some of you can help me out with basic fact-checking in my article.
Thanks!
Well, if Google wanted to start building a 64 bit version of Android, I guess wouldn't be hard, seen as we already have 64bit linux distros for a while.
The only thing I can think of, is either a 64bit implementation is not required yet (available software for android still manages fine with 32bit limitations), and/or Google is keeping the face with the hardware manufacturers.
Eventually will happen, it's just a matter of needing. (Typical market demand).
From my point of view 64 bit will be manitory as 4GB devices will be needed with the super screen resolutions coming soon. I have a Nexus 10 with 2GB but due to the memory allotted to the screen there is not much left for apps. This last week Samsung announced even screen higher resolutions coming next year.
Good insights but he's looking for technical descriptions
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