I just so happen to be reading the review by BGR.com of the DNA because I've never seen it before. I came across this... "There are also concerns about HTC and future software updates since it isn’t clear if HTC’s recent smartphones will ever see Android 4.2 or any other future versions of the operating system." Now this left me scratching my head, and asking myself why? Can this be true? Did I just buy a brand new dud phone? Is HTC really doing that bad?
Now, I love my new phone, but reading that leaves me with some concern. If anyone can shine some light on this topic please do so. I'm just hoping the editor was just talking out of his ass, because HTC is in a light struggle right now, and wanted to beef up his review. Well, I still have a little over a week to return the phone if I need to. I guess I better start digging for answers before its too late?
HTC doesnt really pushes as many updates as others do, atleast what i have seen till now, i could be wrong but i wont actually be worrying about that because the devs here at XDA make our phones awesome. I am currently on Captivate which recently got a GB update from Samsung but thanks to all the devs here, i am running JB on it So , just trust the devs here & keep the phone !
Why can't these phone makers keep rom development going for the entire period warrantied by them as soon as the phone is released, so if it came out say next week it would be supported for atleast a year jeez.
Although I would prefer an official update from HTC to stay current, that's not stopping me from putting a different rom on my phone!
Are phone makers lazy or just constantly switching support bases for their dev teams?
You guys shouldn't believe everything you read . This phone we hold in our hands " the j butterfly" wasn't even supposed to see American soil , and look what happened. HTC may be slow at updating but since everybody knows this its your choice to come here and wait . Release of an update is depending on not only HTC releasing it , its also dependent on Verizon giving it the final seal of approval. And my self would be happy to wait , phone just got unlock, and good things are just starting to happen . :beer:
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BGR is trolling. There was a rumor that HTC was developing their own OS or forking Android. I am sure that is where they are drawing their conclusions from, despite that being a false rumor that has been around for a year or two. HTC would be committing mobile suicide, because Google won't license their app store to non-Android devices (that I know of).
The DNA will likely see 4.2. Probably not past that though. HTC (and Samsung, Moto, etc) typically don't update phones past one Android version upgrade.
PS - the Butterfly is an off-shoot of the DNA, not the other way around. I have that directly from HTC. The DNA was developed at VZWs direction, and since the Butterfly would not compete, permission was given for it's release.
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PS - the Butterfly is an off-shoot of the DNA, not the other way around. I have that directly from HTC. The DNA was developed at VZWs direction, and since the Butterfly would not compete, permission was given for it's release.
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Proof?
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Proof?
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Asking dsb for proof is like asking the church to supply you with proof of god or Jesus for that matter ... Just believe him , he knows what he's talking about ... Besides what would he gain by not being honest? This isn't a pissing match in the slightest
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Asking dsb for proof is like asking the church to supply you with proof of god or Jesus for that matter ... Just believe him , he knows what he's talking about ... Besides what would he gain by not being honest? This isn't a pissing match in the slightest
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I know where dsb started, thanks. I still would like proof. The J Butterfly was out well before the DNA, so it seems weird that the DNA would be the parent device.
I don't just believe anyone, regardless of their status.
Just like his advice to switch to LTE/CDMA to get SVDO working, which does not work.
I apologize for coming off as rude, but asking for proof should not be met with blind fanboyism.
The DNA is a Verizon variant of the phone that was previously released in Japan as the J Butterfly. I covered both devices for Rootzwiki News, and every other credible source I read from said that the J Butterfly was the first HTC device with the Snapdragon S4 Pro chipset and the 5-inch 1080p display. The J Butterfly, the Droid DNA, and the DLX are all variants of the same phone, but the DNA was definitely not the first one of the group.
PS - the Butterfly is an off-shoot of the DNA, not the other way around. I have that directly from HTC. The DNA was developed at VZWs direction, and since the Butterfly would not compete, permission was given for it's release.
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So is it possible that an International DLX won't be coming? Since it's Unlocked GSM and would work on ATT and Tmo.
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The DNA is a Verizon variant of the phone that was previously released in Japan as the J Butterfly. I covered both devices for Rootzwiki News, and every other credible source I read from said that the J Butterfly was the first HTC device with the Snapdragon S4 Pro chipset and the 5-inch 1080p display. The J Butterfly, the Droid DNA, and the DLX are all variants of the same phone, but the DNA was definitely not the first one of the group.
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While time-frame-wise that is entirely true, however when the phones were thought of/created as opposed to released are two different things. Not saying you're wrong, just that the DNA could have been created by HTC first, then the J. VZW could have easily pushed the release past the J.
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So is it possible that an International DLX won't be coming? Since it's Unlocked GSM and would work on ATT and Tmo.
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There will be a DLX - there's no way T-Mobile and AT&T are going to pass on a 1080p HTC phone with a 1080p display and a quad-core Snapdragon S4 Pro chipset. AT&T might try to make its own locked-down variant, but the other carriers are not going tollet Verizon have the only U.S. version of this monster - especially since there has been no word that I've seen of any exclusivity clause for Verizon.
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While time-frame-wise that is entirely true, however when the phones were thought of/created as opposed to released are two different things. Not saying you're wrong, just that the DNA could have been created by HTC first, then the J. VZW could have easily pushed the release past the J.
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Hence I asked for proof Otherwise it is an unsubstantiated rumor.
I don't think the j butterfly is out yet in Japan?? They just had a press release, pending December launch.
I could be wrong but try and find the butterfly for sale??
Also adynalyne, god I missed your work from the thunderbolt days... Been itching for some BAMFness
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I don't think the j butterfly is out yet in Japan?? They just had a press release, pending December launch.
I could be wrong but try and find the butterfly for sale??
Also adynalyne, god I missed your work from the thunderbolt days... Been itching for some BAMFness
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I'm still evaluating.
You are right though. I don't know if it was released or not. I can't find confirmation either way.
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I know where dsb started, thanks. I still would like proof. The J Butterfly was out well before the DNA, so it seems weird that the DNA would be the parent device.
I don't just believe anyone, regardless of their status.
Just like his advice to switch to LTE/CDMA to get SVDO working, which does not work.
I apologize for coming off as rude, but asking for proof should not be met with blind fanboyism.
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No , not a fan boy here ... Was just messing with ya , calm down Skippy
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I just so happen to be reading the review by BGR.com of the DNA because I've never seen it before. I came across this... "There are also concerns about HTC and future software updates since it isn’t clear if HTC’s recent smartphones will ever see Android 4.2 or any other future versions of the operating system." Now this left me scratching my head, and asking myself why? Can this be true? Did I just buy a brand new dud phone? Is HTC really doing that bad?
Now, I love my new phone, but reading that leaves me with some concern. If anyone can shine some light on this topic please do so. I'm just hoping the editor was just talking out of his ass, because HTC is in a light struggle right now, and wanted to beef up his review. Well, I still have a little over a week to return the phone if I need to. I guess I better start digging for answers before its too late?
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To worry about HTC's status as a going-concern is pretty much like wondering if you will buy a new and more awesome phone after 2-year contract. I think HTC will be around. Look at RIM, even in such situation, they are still fighting for a comeback. HTC is not RIM yet.
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To worry about HTC's status as a going-concern is pretty much like wondering if you will buy a new and more awesome phone after 2-year contract. I think HTC will be around. Look at RIM, even in such situation, they are still fighting for a comeback. HTC is not RIM yet.
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Nor do I think HTC will become a RIM anytime soon. I just hate the fact that HTC pretty much puts out a phone, and say... Ok, we're done with this one, on to the next. Support lacks once the phone is released.
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Nor do I think HTC will become a RIM anytime soon. I just hate the fact that HTC pretty much puts out a phone, and say... Ok, we're done with this one, on to the next. Support lacks once the phone is released.
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The only company not doing this has been Google.
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Hello all, I'm currently using a Nexus One on T-Mo but am probably going to jump back to Sprint here soon. I had been looking to get the Evo3D, but fear that it's going to be locked down as the Thuderbolt was. I understand you guy were able to gain root on the Thunderbolt recently, but only because you got an engineering something or other, I don't remember exactly. My question here is, what would the chances have been of the phone being rooted the normal brute force way. Would we have been looking at possibly months or more, or was it just a matter of days. I ask cause if the Evo3D is going to be locked down and may take months or more to crack, I may just go with the Nexus S for now.
Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
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Mine sure does. A thousand times better than my Facinate did.
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I was just referring to the first "Galaxy" set that came out. The S 4G, S II, and their releases this year have been stellar. But neither of those are on VZW . I would snatch up the SII in a second if it was on VZW.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I hear you. Some company will eventually embrace modders and devs, I just wanted it to be HTC. Oh well, sad day
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It seems we've gone a bit off topic. I have been reading all the comments and have learned that Sammy isn't doing what HTC is starting to do with locking their bootloaders, something I didn't know before this thread, good to know. But the question I presented hasn't really been answered yet. How long, rough gestimation, would it take to crack the bootloader of the new phones HTC is coming out with. Are we talking weeks or months or more. I know this a question that can't be easily answered with a specific answer, but I'm looking more for how likely they are to be cracked in a timely manner. I'm not a hacker, cracker or code breaker so I really don't even know where to begin with trying to answer this question, hence why I put it forth here, on the forum of a phone that was locked and got unlocked hoping a dev could give me some info on weather getting the forthcoming Evo3D is a good idea for someone who want's to root the phone. I am however leaning back towards the Nexus s 4G because of this thread, but since money won't allow that at the moment, I'm exploring my options until the time I can afford a new phone.
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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I've been reading around about this (disappointing) news of HTC's lockdown using signed bootloaders, etc. and from what I have read, it seems like the crackers have indicated they are going to have a helluva time. A few tweets from jcase's twiiter page (whose opinions I personally value, YMMV):
If you want root, don't buy an yet to be rooted phone
[email protected] signed recovery, signed kernel, signed hboot, and write protection. won't buy [email protected] devices like that
HTC now MORE dev unfriendly than Motorola.
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Looks pretty dreary for new HTC phones.
Droid, which has signed bootloader, is still locked, and it's pretty long on the market. It's a matter of years, if not eternity. It's f***ing hard to crack those keys.
What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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Easy, keeps people using htc products, and makes us pay for tethering. Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using.... Sucks
Edit: or whatever manufacturer made your device
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Easy, keeps people using htc products
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and makes us pay for tethering.
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The carriers have already shown that they can detect unofficial tethering
Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using
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Why does it matter?
So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
I agree totally. With HTC's recent earnings miss, I don't see why they can't see their current "support model" isn't working. If it weren't for the dev's here, I'd be even more pissed. HTC needs to embrace the developers as opposed to working against them by not actively releasing updates for a product that they sold me on. I've stuck with HTC devices since my old HTC Mogul but I'm starting to feel the same way. HTC needs to get their **** together or they'll lose a community of people that have helped keep them relevant over the past 5-7 years.
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So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
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Everyone says sprint sprint sprint but is it not the manufacturer's that say what device they wanna tweak the os for? Besides if it was sprint that was delaying it why would the s3 already be confirmed to be getting the jelly bean update? HTC says they don't know if they will be updating it. And Idt sprint would hurt their own pockets like that. 2 have 2 flagship phones on the latest os faster and far less problems they would/should be jizzin in their pants for that chance.
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
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Sprint can't work on getting updates out if HTC hasn't given them anything to work with. I point my finger at both of them. A phone that's behind in updates on a network that's behind can destroy what little patience people have left.
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I agree totally. With HTC's recent earnings miss, I don't see why they can't see their current "support model" isn't working. If it weren't for the dev's here, I'd be even more pissed. HTC needs to embrace the developers as opposed to working against them by not actively releasing updates for a product that they sold me on. I've stuck with HTC devices since my old HTC Mogul but I'm starting to feel the same way. HTC needs to get their **** together or they'll lose a community of people that have helped keep them relevant over the past 5-7 years.
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U hit the nail on the head! Totally agree 1000%
I payed more for my phone than I did my laptop or tablet. Yet they get updates damn near everyday. And if android is open source I should be ableto get the updates on anyphone that runs Android as long as the specs are up to par for free correct. Just like linux. So y do they get to choose what we get so they can make money. I mean we do it here. So y can't they. Lol sry just rantin clearin my chest.
Me and the wife love HTC but we both agreed that even though we dislike the build quality of Samsung it may be our next phone just because things get updated and fixed a lot more frequently. Besides our phones stay deep inside great looking cases so how much does build quality mean to us anyway.
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Sprint can't work on getting updates out if HTC hasn't given them anything to work with. I point my finger at both of them. A phone that's behind in updates on a network that's behind can destroy what little patience people have left.
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The update comes from HTC pending a request from Sprint. If Sprint doesn't request it, it will never come. Once Sprint receives it, they add all of their bloat and send it for testing. After that, you already know what happens.
Either way, I am hoping for an HTC Nexus device based on all these multi-OEM Nexus rumors.
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The update comes from HTC pending a request from Sprint. If Sprint doesn't request it, it will never come. Once Sprint receives it, they add all of their bloat and send it for testing. After that, you already know what happens.
Either way, I am hoping for an HTC Nexus device based on all these multi-OEM Nexus rumors.
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Point taken. Bottom line is that "we" the customer, gets screwed. I would find it hard to believe that HTC and Sprint both "don't know" what people want. HTC makes great phones and the developers help us love them. Developers maximize the potential of our devices but if they're not getting what they need, it's a moot point and I'll probably leave Sprint and HTC altogether when I'm due for an upgrade. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. Patience only goes so far.
Not to mention still can't have caller id tones since last update n they can't fix that. Bs and I don't wanna switch roms cuz something always never works in roms.
have to admit if it wasn't for custom roms and the hard work of devs here I would have tossed this phone by now.
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Having been an android owner for the last three years (and an evo owner for the last 2), I've gotten used to the slower updates. It's always been explained away by saying that first HTC has to produce an update, then Sprint has to tweak the update, before we ever get the OTA. I know it's not a solution to the problem presented in the OP, but has anyone noticed that we have fantastic devs for this phone? The roms, kernels, and tweaks are not only being produced on a daily basis, but are frequently updated and provided with fantastic support. I can live with slow manufacture and provider updates as long we continue to have great devs.
Yes, but in a different way. I will not be purchasing another HTC product ever due to their slow update roll outs as well as their locking of the boot loaders. While they finally relented and let people unlock their bootloaders through their website, their previous and current stance on the issue is unacceptable to me.
You got robbed if you paid $850 for the phone, lol.
Everyone always thinks the grass is greener someplace else. If you're not happy with sprint then go somewhere else.
But just know that the verizon Gnex, a Google phone, didn't get the JB update for 2 months after it was released on GSM phones.
Also I don't think KLP has been released yet.
Naters
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KLP isn't out yet. I never said i was leaving sprint just may leave HTC. for me sprint is the best deal besides pre-paid. if pre-paid got the hottest phones as well. I think the big 3 would be outta biz or would have to lower prices to compete. lol
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Everyone always thinks the grass is greener someplace else. If you're not happy with sprint then go somewhere else.
But just know that the verizon Gnex, a Google phone, didn't get the JB update for 2 months after it was released on GSM phones.
Also I don't think KLP has been released yet.
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You got robbed if you paid $850 for the phone, lol.
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not really that is what they run off contract. bout $800 plus tax
this phone will probably be the last HTC phone I purchase... unless they change their policy on source and start to release it to dev's faster... it seems like there is a lot more activity for the S3....
If I get another HTC device it will be a nexus. If they dont make a nexus device im not getting it. I love htc build quality, it feels like a real device in my hand, but the lack of updates really turns me off.
Sorry to hear you paid $850 for this mech.. got mine free without upgrading because the 3ds were on backorder when mine broke... and i got that free also...
This looks like an interesting idea... too little too late?
http://blog.htc.com/2013/03/htc-one-developer-edition/
I don't understand the concept of developer edition phones at all. They're never subsidized, so no one other than developers would even be interested, and the developers aren't interested because no one else has them. Samsung did that with the Verizon S3, and all the dev community did was give Samsung and Verizon a collective middle finger and crack the bootloader on the regular one.
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I don't understand the concept of developer edition phones at all. They're never subsidized, so no one other than developers would even be interested, and the developers aren't interested because no one else has them. Samsung did that with the Verizon S3, and all the dev community did was give Samsung and Verizon a collective middle finger and crack the bootloader on the regular one.
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pretty much - I don't know what the point really is either. Subsidize them through a carrier so you can have a warranty honored through the carrier and they'd be gold. However, it's interesting to see HTC focusing on "pleasing the developers" with hardware like this but not keeping up with support for "older" phones which us more important and truly "pleases the developers" at the same time.
well....i gotta buy mine full price anyway...mind as well get the developer one right?
I though verizon will not get HTC one?
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I though verizon will not get HTC one?
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they are now. the jumped on the bandwagon. it wont be released on launch date like the others though and will probably be renamed to Droid something.
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they are now. the jumped on the bandwagon. it wont be released on launch date like the others though and will probably be renamed to Droid something.
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I'm pretty sure that's still only in speculation stage, and that Verizon might turn around any day now and say they weren't going to get it after all.
Even if Verizon does get it, they'll probably gimp the specs and storage down, stick their Verizon branding all over it, and change the physical design just enough so that other HTC One accessories won't work with it.
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I'm pretty sure that's still only in speculation stage, and that Verizon might turn around any day now and say they weren't going to get it after all.
Even if Verizon does get it, they'll probably gimp the specs and storage down, stick their Verizon branding all over it, and change the physical design just enough so that other HTC One accessories won't work with it.
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Its officaly getting the One but they might just rename it to something with "Droid" in front of it.
The Dev edition is a cop out. It allows them to say look hackers, tinkerers, and general Android enthusiasts we offer an unlocked phone. That way when we say how come we have all these locked phones? They can simply point out the dev edition. That's all its for this way HTC can snuggle up nice and cozy with Verizon and its large network of users and reap profit but seem user friendly. Its a bunch of crap and I hope T-Mo gets better and more people buy into its system so that others need to compete with their structure for mobile. (A guy can dream right)
I like the One, first phone I've been excited about since the Rezound was announced.
Just looked for this device on Verizons website and it said "Available Online Only" meaning two things to me. One, they are selling through their stock. Two, something is coming around the corner, soon. Any speculation? I don't see a One in our future. Maybe another DNA variant?
There have been rumors of a "DNA 2," that's about all anyone knows.
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Well I see myself with the DNA for a long while I love it!
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With the moonshine S-OFF coming out, I see the DNA having a pretty long life in the "hardcore" smartphone user scene. It is a top of the line device, with fantastic hardware, and will be competitive for a while still, even with the ONE and speculated "DNA 2" coming out. At least, that is my guess.
EoL of the DNA at this point in time would be a bit weird.... it was release 11/2012 so idk how that would work out. There is already talks about the butterfly 2 and its said to be coming out in third qtr. As soon as that hits the market, we should see our next htc phone on verizon a month after or so.
Verizon may stop selling the device or whatever they choose. But after all the time I've referenced xda and came here I can pretty much guarantee that it is far from the eol on this and many other communities. And I highly doubt HTC will just drop it, I'm sure they saw what happened with Samsung and the s1s when they took forever to update anything.
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It would be a shame if Verizon does this but I would think they would start those corney commercials showing the phone as 99.00 down with 2year agreement or something like that - today is my last day to return I think, so I have a lot to consider
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With the moonshine S-OFF coming out, I see the DNA having a pretty long life in the "hardcore" smartphone user scene. It is a top of the line device, with fantastic hardware, and will be competitive for a while still, even with the ONE and speculated "DNA 2" coming out. At least, that is my guess.
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Signed with the blood of my DNA
I absolutely love the device. I was with Sprint for nine years and finally broke down and switched. We, up until about 3-5 years ago didn't even have a Verizon presence in our state. They still even now only have about 10% of the market here so the LTE here is outstanding. Normally running 15-30 down and the same up. Enough of the history of Verizon in our state. I just picked this phone up several weeks ago when it had that Free coupon on the net. As I said I love the hardware and the software is meh, I would rather be running sense 5 on it, but for now, it is what it is, and with a custom launcher and a few miner tweaks it good for now. I had the very first Evo on Sprint and loved it for the short time I had it. After joining the rooting community though I purchased a Nexus S, followed by a Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, Nexus 10, and a GS3 that was given to me. So I am very familiar with rooting devices and running custom everything on them. With my life story here now, my main concern is if they do end of life this phone there will not be any more devices going out so Verizon, HTC, and just the dev community will move on. Its a shame. This is a great phone. I have used the One extensively and there is little difference in the phones in the way that they run and I found it strange that everyone, or many people, in the community were pushing to see the One on Verizon. This is the One in many ways, and in several ways better. I think at this point Verizon is looking to ditch this device because of all the whoopla the One is causing and its sad. I don't plan on ditching this phone anytime in the near future either. Its just sad that this phone is so understated. Is it better than the One, no but awfully close. Is it better than the S4, in my personal opinion after spending a week with it, yes. Its definitely better than a good crop of the phones out now even with its age. I think until we hear of a new device to take its place Verizon would be smart to dump a smidge more money and re-advertise for this device dropping the price point to $150-99 on contract and breathe some life back into this device. When I went to switch over to Verizon, and I knew what I was there to get, the sales person mentioned at least three other devices that were no where near the quality of this device. So not only at the corporate level but the floor level this phone needs some love. I'm thinking its to late at this point but i am still glad I picked it up. I'm still happy with it as it is, although I am excited to get it rooted at some point, as this phone has huge potential. I'm not wanting to be the "glass is half empty" guy its just not looking promising at this point for our beloved DNA :'(
The HTC Thunderbolt got a full Android upgrade (2.3 to 4.0) over a year after Verizon stopped selling it, and the Droid Incredible got a maintainance update a few months back I believe. So even when Verizon stops selling it, it won't stop getting support for a while.
Look at what the rezound has pulled off, and in my opinion it was a great device, but nowhere near as nice as the DNA. EOL is as much a frame of mind as anything else in the development community and userbase. I still help out with rezound development and have some close friends and dev partners active so we spend a lot of sleepless nights working on software for users and tools for developers so they're able to offer more. I moved up to the DNA because I wanted too, but didn't leave the rezound behind. There's a lot of guys like me who tend to do that to help drive the spirit of android, and there's also guys who unlike me are true developers making things happen. The DNA is a really nice device and if the development and custom software minded community wants a device to thrive, it will thrive.
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The first sign they wanted to phase out the DNA was the Free-with-2year promotion.
With the HTC One still completely unannounced on verizon (and all reps denying it vehemently), I'd have to guess that either HTC doesn't like how vzw handled their marketing or verizon made a yet-unannounced sweetheart deal with someone else. My money'd be on Samsung since verizon is really pimping their products.
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The first sign they wanted to phase out the DNA was the Free-with-2year promotion.
With the HTC One still completely unannounced on verizon (and all reps denying it vehemently), I'd have to guess that either HTC doesn't like how vzw handled their marketing or verizon made a yet-unannounced sweetheart deal with someone else. My money'd be on Samsung since verizon is really pimping their products.
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Verizon Wireless: the exclusive carrier of the Galaxy Note 3.
tamlin42 said:
The first sign they wanted to phase out the DNA was the Free-with-2year promotion.
With the HTC One still completely unannounced on verizon (and all reps denying it vehemently), I'd have to guess that either HTC doesn't like how vzw handled their marketing or verizon made a yet-unannounced sweetheart deal with someone else. My money'd be on Samsung since verizon is really pimping their products.
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https://twitter.com/VZWnews/statuses/341592724161560578
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Wow. I wonder if that means LATER this summer like August or sooner....?
I see a lot of DNA's coming up for sale soon.. Mine included !! Depends on the retail cost though..
Definitely got to voice my opinion on this. Had the rezound for a year and a half. For how much I used it, I needed an extended battery but overall. Great device and first really high resolution phone. I just got my DNA and love it. The rezound was lagging since the last update.
I think Verizon dropped the ball on the one. They are putting it out almost 5-6 months after its initial release. That's atrocious. As phone connoisseurs we all know something new will be out soon after that anyway.
I'm sticking with my DNA. I don't see the development dying down after moonshine is released. The one has some small upgrades (most are portable thanks to the people here). And screen size downgrade.
I'll wait for the next nice HTC device to upgrade.
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Releasing so late after the other carriers is kind of a stupid move, but honestly if you have vzw and want the one, you're stuck waiting anyways. Or get the gs7 or whatever that Sammy brings out a month after that.
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Releasing so late after the other carriers is kind of a stupid move, but honestly if you have vzw and want the one, you're stuck waiting anyways. Or get the gs7 or whatever that Sammy brings out a month after that.
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I don't see how its stupid. When the iPhone 4 released on Verizon, they had the fixed bezel around it vs atts 4
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I don't see how its stupid. When the iPhone 4 released on Verizon, they had the fixed bezel around it vs atts 4
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I only say its stupid, which is probably not the right word, but its because they're placing a phone out months after its alternate carrier releases, meaning it'll be an older device releasing against newer devices, seems to counter what is normally done, release newer devices against newer devices. I thought I made that point clear, but maybe not, the joke with the gs7 or whatever must not have been clear enough.
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These "carrier updates" are just getting ridiculous...
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This phone will be lucky to get 4.2.2 but I highly doubt it goes past that,
HTC and Samsung have completely flipped stances on updates over the last 3 years and it is now HTC who gives their devices 6 month lifespans.
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This phone will be lucky to get 4.2.2 but I highly doubt it goes past that,
HTC and Samsung have completely flipped stances on updates over the last 3 years and it is now HTC who gives their devices 6 month lifespans.
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this phone will be getting 4.2.2 for sure. HTC and llabtoofer confirmed. probably nothing official after that, but i think we'll see dev support for a long time with this phone. its pretty solid
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this phone will be getting 4.2.2 for sure. HTC and llabtoofer confirmed. probably nothing official after that, but i think we'll see dev support for a long time with this phone. its pretty solid
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Verizon seems to be putting all their support into Motorola, Samsung, and Apple.
I'll be shocked if we get 4.2.2 officially before the year ends.... if ever.
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Verizon seems to be putting all their support into Motorola, Samsung, and Apple.
I'll be shocked if we get 4.2.2 officially before the year ends.... if ever.
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its already confirmed. besides, after the verizon one comes out in august, we'll have a CDMA port of 4.2.2 anyway, so it wont even matter much
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its already confirmed. besides, after the verizon one comes out in august, we'll have a CDMA port of 4.2.2 anyway, so it wont even matter much
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Yea we will have a freshly baked cdma ril for our sense 5 ports. Yum
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so as the One gets updates, we can get ported updates for our DNAs as well?
I highly doubt they'll even consider updating this phone before the One gets 4.2.2/the One hype train dies down. At least a month after release I'd say.
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I highly doubt they'll even consider updating this phone before the One gets 4.2.2/the One hype train dies down. At least a month after release I'd say.
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It's really a shame that HTC has decided to never stand behind their devices and are on the verge of chapter 11 due to to it.
The 2 year old Galaxy S II is expected to get android 4.2.2 by the end of summer... possibly before the HTC One. The HTC phone that came out the same year as the GS2 was the Sensation and HTC left it dead on 4.0.3 ICS.
I will not buy another HTC device even though I have only had HTC's since the G1. I'm not sure if I want to go Samsung but I may not have a choice.
HTC should just get out of android and sign a Nokia like deal to make Windows junk.
It's half HTC, half Verizon... The butterfly (international version of our phones) got 4.2.2 with Sense 5! So there's hope. At the least someone figures out how to get it working on CDMA and we can flash it. Honestly all I want is ASOP 4.3. No bugs. I'll be content. Until 5.0 comes out seriously though. I'd rather get an iPhone over any Samsung phone. Then my phone will actually have good build quality. And I'd get updates when they're released. And I'd be extremely limited and forced to join the Apple cult... Oh the struggles. :banghead:
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It's really a shame that HTC has decided to never stand behind their devices and are on the verge of chapter 11 due to to it.
The 2 year old Galaxy S II is expected to get android 4.2.2 by the end of summer... possibly before the HTC One. The HTC phone that came out the same year as the GS2 was the Sensation and HTC left it dead on 4.0.3 ICS.
I will not buy another HTC device even though I have only had HTC's since the G1. I'm not sure if I want to go Samsung but I may not have a choice.
HTC should just get out of android and sign a Nokia like deal to make Windows junk.
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The way I understand it is that HTC is more than willing to update devices, but the carriers are c-blocking everything. Makes sense too because why should Verizon allow updates to devices when they can sell a newer device and lock in more 2-year contracts.
What really bothers me is the super secret aspect of it all. Why can't they just come out and say what the plan is and tell us what their intent with updates are (HTC and Verizon). What is really killing them is the lack of information which leads to user frustration and people making up things like "Verizon promised that they were going to update the Rezound by June 1st PROMISED!!".
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The way I understand it is that HTC is more than willing to update devices, but the carriers are c-blocking everything. Makes sense too because why should Verizon allow updates to devices when they can sell a newer device and lock in more 2-year contracts.
What really bothers me is the super secret aspect of it all. Why can't they just come out and say what the plan is and tell us what their intent with updates are (HTC and Verizon). What is really killing them is the lack of information which leads to user frustration and people making up things like "Verizon promised that they were going to update the Rezound by June 1st PROMISED!!".
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That would be true if it weren't for the fact that other phones have seen long support on Verizon and other carriers. Don't have to look further than the Droid Bionic/RAZR to see that. Both shipped with 2.3 and have had 4.1 for quite some time now. Meanwhile, both the Incredible 4G and Rezound haven't gotten past ICS in around the same timeframe. The DNA is the last HTC I buy while I'm on Verizon, if it weren't for the fact that I'm S-Off and we have a great DEV community, I'd be out in a second.
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Honestly all I want is ASOP 4.3. No bugs. I'll be content.
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Oh is that all, not hard to please, are you?
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Oh is that all, not hard to please, are you?
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Haha, yeah well its not like I'm asking for key lime pie the most frustrating thing about Android is how an update will roll on the Nexus devices and it takes months for any other device. Stupid fragmentation. HTC should focuses of a couple high quality handsets and stick with it. Maybe even one. Follow Apple.
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Haha, yeah well its not like I'm asking for key lime pie the most frustrating thing about Android is how an update will roll on the Nexus devices and it takes months for any other device. Stupid fragmentation. HTC should focuses of a couple high quality handsets and stick with it. Maybe even one. Follow Apple.
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Well if they did that we wouldn't see another update at all, we aren't the high quality handset anymore.
It isn't Google's fault for how android gets distributed, it's carrier and manufacturer. I'd take development of custom roms and kernels over a single device being updated faster. To me that's just another ios device. If instant updates are a requirement then really only choices are nexus devices.
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Haha, yeah well its not like I'm asking for key lime pie the most frustrating thing about Android is how an update will roll on the Nexus devices and it takes months for any other device. Stupid fragmentation. HTC should focuses of a couple high quality handsets and stick with it. Maybe even one. Follow Apple.
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Apple has lost almost 50% of there stock value for that reason 1 device only. I will take the top notch devs we have over a free apple device any day. These guys kick ass. Thanks DNA DEVS.
I love our devs and more the better. The thing is there is so many devices not all can be supported. I mean the DNA isn't officially supported by CM or AOKP. The less fragmentation the better. And that Apple company that lost their stock? We'll they're the most profitable company in America. I hate their policies and their OS, but they offer timely updates, and a high quality device. Why? Because their billion dollar R&D budget goes to one phone. Not 17...
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The way I understand it is that HTC is more than willing to update devices, but the carriers are c-blocking everything. Makes sense too because why should Verizon allow updates to devices when they can sell a newer device and lock in more 2-year contracts.
What really bothers me is the super secret aspect of it all. Why can't they just come out and say what the plan is and tell us what their intent with updates are (HTC and Verizon). What is really killing them is the lack of information which leads to user frustration and people making up things like "Verizon promised that they were going to update the Rezound by June 1st PROMISED!!".
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Your post got me thinking...
How are the new upgrade programs these carriers offer going to effect android? Since you can upgrade every 6 months now will we even see updates at all?
Maybe it forces google to use motorola and lock down android.
Verizon won't update this phone. If they do then you have less of a reason to jump on the newer phones.
And to those confirmed rumors... The Rezound was confirmed JB as well. How'd that go?
If you want updates, leave Verizon and get a Nexus. Otherwise be happy with what you get from our community devs.
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I love our devs and more the better. The thing is there is so many devices not all can be supported. I mean the DNA isn't officially supported by CM or AOKP. The less fragmentation the better. And that Apple company that lost their stock? We'll they're the most profitable company in America. I hate their policies and their OS, but they offer timely updates, and a high quality device. Why? Because their billion dollar R&D budget goes to one phone. Not 17...
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Then go buy an iPhone. And u read the journal, they used to be the most profitable. The reason they are not is because they are a 1pony show. All the tech people are saying they are going down because of all the good android phones.