Hey everyone, I'm loving the Nexus 10 right now but I'm not sure it fits my needs perfectly. Did anyone come from the Note 10.1? What were your impressions of it compared to the Nexus? I'm really torn right now. I'm a student, so I would definitely use the pen.
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GETCASHMONEY said:
Hey everyone, I'm loving the Nexus 10 right now but I'm not sure it fits my needs perfectly. Did anyone come from the Note 10.1? What were your impressions of it compared to the Nexus? I'm really torn right now. I'm a student, so I would definitely use the pen.
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I gave up my Note 10.1 for a Nexus 10 and overall i'm glad I did. I love the screen on the Nexus 10, perfect for watching movies on. With the Note the screen was always a bit dim when watching movies.
I do miss TouchWiz because I found the launcher much more smoother than Google Stock however I'm using Apex on the Nexus 10 and it's so impressive. All in all very pleased I made the switch. :good:
Have you tried using a capacitive stylus on the Nexus? I ordered one from amazon, still waiting for my actual nexus to arrive but I'm looking forward to using it -- I'm also a student and will be taking tons of notes on it. I've seen plenty of my fellow students using iPad with a capacitive stylus to take notes on and they all love it -- I ordered a much thinner tipped stylus and I'm hoping that will be a good fit for writing.
Anyways, I don't have experience with the note but if you miss the pen then perhaps a thin tipped stylus for the N10 will be good?
GETCASHMONEY said:
Hey everyone, I'm loving the Nexus 10 right now but I'm not sure it fits my needs perfectly. Did anyone come from the Note 10.1? What were your impressions of it compared to the Nexus? I'm really torn right now. I'm a student, so I would definitely use the pen.
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I previously had the Note 10.1 and find the Nexus 10 a far nicer piece of kit. Speedwise, I couldn't tell the difference but the build quality of the Note wasn't great with the chassis creaking on occasion! Also, I didn't think that the 10.1 screen was terribly good even by 1280x800 standards.
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I previously had the Note 10.1 and find the Nexus 10 a far nicer piece of kit. Speedwise, I couldn't tell the difference but the build quality of the Note wasn't great with the chassis creaking on occasion! Also, I didn't think that the 10.1 screen was terribly good even by 1280x800 standards.
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Really? After seeing alot of 800p tablets on display in a shop, I thought the Note 10.1 screen looked noticeably better than all of them. Especially the colour saturation and black level.
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Really? After seeing alot of 800p tablets on display in a shop, I thought the Note 10.1 screen looked noticeably better than all of them. Especially the colour saturation and black level.
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I thought so. I had a Transfomer Prime at the time as well and thought the display in that was far nicer. This being said, I'm no expert and my opinion is certainly subjective! However, the build quality of the Note 10 was definitely inferior - never happy when a tablet bends slightly and creaks whilst doing so!
I came from the Note 10.1 and enjoyed it a lot. The spen does add to a very solid tablet. Drawing with it was pretty amazing, very precise. It was smooth and performed very well for me. Only reason I left was due to the standard screen and slow charge (yes I know its the same for N10 but its only because they haven't released the Pogo Pin charger yet). I wanted an HD screen. When N10 came out and read of the specs similar to Note 10.1 but newer /faster Exynos chip and the best [email protected] I was sold.
**This topic has also already been discussed to death. Please lets not start this over again. If you searched you would easily find the answers your looking for by the way.
This is just two of several threads about these two devices.
Nexus 10 or Note 10.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1962714
Note 10.1 vs N10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952512
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Have you tried using a capacitive stylus on the Nexus? I ordered one from amazon, still waiting for my actual nexus to arrive but I'm looking forward to using it -- I'm also a student and will be taking tons of notes on it. I've seen plenty of my fellow students using iPad with a capacitive stylus to take notes on and they all love it -- I ordered a much thinner tipped stylus and I'm hoping that will be a good fit for writing.
Anyways, I don't have experience with the note but if you miss the pen then perhaps a thin tipped stylus for the N10 will be good?
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Writing on the nexus 10 with a capacitive stylus will be extremely uncomfortable since you will have to hold your hand/arm above the glass constantly. The note 10.1 has a digitizer therefore you can rest your hand on the glass and it ignores the skin touch and only picks up the pen touch.
Imagine trying to write on a piece of paper with your hand and arm hovering above the paper the whole time = impossible
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Writing on the nexus 10 with a capacitive stylus will be extremely uncomfortable since you will have to hold your hand/arm above the glass constantly. The note 10.1 has a digitizer therefore you can rest your hand on the glass and it ignores the skin touch and only picks up the pen touch.
Imagine trying to write on a piece of paper with your hand and arm hovering above the paper the whole time = impossible
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Can u somehow implement plam rejection on the nexus
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Can u somehow implement plam rejection on the nexus
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I think you can if the developer codes it into their apps. But it'd have to be pretty genius to get it working properly.
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Hey everyone, I'm loving the Nexus 10 right now but I'm not sure it fits my needs perfectly. Did anyone come from the Note 10.1? What were your impressions of it compared to the Nexus? I'm really torn right now. I'm a student, so I would definitely use the pen.
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The Note 10.1 is the most complete tablet experience on the market right now bar none. Its only downside is the 720P display. It's as fast and fluid (on JB) as the N10 and gets better battery life because of the lower res display. As a student multiview, S-Pen/S-Note, and some of the other features could make a huge difference in your productivity. The N10 is a better value and a better consumption device but as a productivity and creation device nothing compares to the Note. And there's no combination of third party apps or dev tweaks that will change that.
Here's a list of features on the Note not on the N10. You can decide how meaningful any of them are based on what you use your tablet for. I'm a huge productivity user and would only give up the Note to get another Note with a FHD display.
- Multiview (enhanced in JB)
- Pop up play
- S-Pen/S-Note
- AllShare Play and Cast
- Enhanced camera features (smile/face/blink detection, buddy shot)
- Mini apps (enhanced in JB)
- Enhanced audio and video codec support
- IR port
- Browser h/w acceleration
- S-Voice (added in JB)
- Air View (added in JB)
- Group Cast (added in JB)
Here's a list of some more new features in JB. Some are really cool and can't be replicated on any other tablet (even via third party apps).
Video Air View – Preview videos without opening them. View future/past scenes in a playing video via the timeline without stopping it.
Photo Air View – Pictures contained in folders will display in thumbnails when you hover over the folder. They advance nine at a time.
E-Mail Air View – Hover the pen over a heading or contents of an e-mail summary (including via the widget) to see an exploded view of the contents without opening it.
S-Planner Air View – Hover the pen over an event or task to see an exploded view without opening it.
Pop Up Note – Tap the screen twice with the S-Pen button depressed and a pop up note will be displayed. Even on the lock screen when the device is locked. On the N8000, if you’re in a call and remove the S-Pen from its holder, a pop up note automatically opens.
Easy Clip – Capture anything on the display (lasso) anywhere and save it to the clipboard or send it an application (including S-Note).
Draw/Write on an e-mail – As it says.
Draw/Write in S-Planner – As it says (Month View only)
Color Picker – In S-Note, set the ink color to a color selected from a picture.
Pen Switch – Select multiple pen types (color, texture, weight) and toggle through them without opening the menu by pressing the button on the S-Pen once.
Sketch Affect – Change any picture to an outline, color sketch, pencil sketch and more from within S-Note.
Share S-Notes – Convert S-Notes to plain text, PDFs, or pictures and share them via Facebook etc. in one step.
Photo Note – Write personal notes on the back of photos
Gallery Organizer – Create folders and drag and drop pictures between them.
Quick Gestures - Open apps and perform functions by writing on the display.
And the display on the Note is better than the N10's at brightness and contrast. So living with it isn't as painful as some make it seem.
My Nexus 10 comes next week finally! :victory:
So yh I'll definitely be doing some comparison videos of Nexus 10 vs Note 10.1 as I've seen quite a few threads comparing the two.
So I ended up selling my nexus 10 and getting the note. So far I am really happy with My choice, this Seems like the perfect tabletfor my needs. I will say, I Miss the screen a little.
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I think you can if the developer codes it into their apps. But it'd have to be pretty genius to get it working properly.
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I think not.
On the Note-series Samsung are using Wacom technology - both on the screen and on the pen.
Your normal touchscreen is capacitive. And so are the Notes.
BUT they also add a inductive screen layer - that's what triggering the pen.
By charging a magnetic field above the screen - which charges the pen and makes it function, you can decide if you want both capacitive and inductive touch - or just one input signal.
I have the Note 2 and it's really good and some differences between the Note pen and a standard stylus is that the Note pen is pressure-sensitive - up to 1024 zones of pressure. It also registers HOW you're holding the pen, laying it down, using it straight down, and more.
Not forgetting Airview - you can hover the pen over objects and it will function as you would do with your mouse on your computer - popup menus are working on everyday websites, you can preview movie scenes in the timeline, and so on.
A normal stylus is just a replacement for your finger.
being someone who has no interest in the spen, my major yearning for the note 10.1 is the multiview capability. I am a big youtube watcher and i constantly find my self wanting to use gtalk or the web browser while watching a video on my current tablet. With the huge resolution of the nexus 10, it seems the like the PERFECT tablet for that feature. That being said, has anyone worked on trying to get the multiview capability ported to other devices? I mean I am sure its 100% software implementation, so it seems possible to add it to a custom ROM. Just wondering if there has been any work or even if anyone has looked into this?
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being someone who has no interest in the spen, my major yearning for the note 10.1 is the multiview capability. I am a big youtube watcher and i constantly find my self wanting to use gtalk or the web browser while watching a video on my current tablet. With the huge resolution of the nexus 10, it seems the like the PERFECT tablet for that feature. That being said, has anyone worked on trying to get the multiview capability ported to other devices? I mean I am sure its 100% software implementation, so it seems possible to add it to a custom ROM. Just wondering if there has been any work or even if anyone has looked into this?
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being someone who has no interest in the spen, my major yearning for the note 10.1 is the multiview capability. I am a big youtube watcher and i constantly find my self wanting to use gtalk or the web browser while watching a video on my current tablet. With the huge resolution of the nexus 10, it seems the like the PERFECT tablet for that feature. That being said, has anyone worked on trying to get the multiview capability ported to other devices? I mean I am sure its 100% software implementation, so it seems possible to add it to a custom ROM. Just wondering if there has been any work or even if anyone has looked into this?
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This. A thousand times this. I have zero issues with my N10, but I'm mildly envious of the Note 10.1 for multiview. I'm guessing the next Note with a higher res screen will be the "best of both worlds", but alas, I'm not willing to wait. Hoping Google pilfers this feature and builds it into Key Lime Pie.
You would be surprised how much you use the spen. I am converted.
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You would be surprised how much you use the spen. I am converted.
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Once you start using it you're pretty much hooked. I replaced a Teg3 One X I was happy with for a Note II so I could get S-Pen on my phone and share S-Note's between my devices. The Note 10.1 got ****ty reviews because very few reviewers "got it" or spent any time trying to. Of all the devices I've owned the two Notes are the most complicated to figure out if you intend to fully use all their features. I was still finding things weeks after I got the 10.1. And if those things don't matter people should by the N10 because it's cheaper, easier, and a better pure consumption device.
The Note 10.1 is by far the better tablet if you're looking to use a stylus at all. I've only had the TF101 and the GN10.1, but the difference between the a capacitive stylus (like the adonit jot) and the spen is ridiculously large. You'll kick yourself for thinking that the capacitive stylii you see on the market are anywhere near as useful as the wacom stylii (which of course, require a wacom interface built within the tablet).
On the other hand, if you care only about browsing videos, pictures, and surfing the web, there's no point in paying more for a stylus you won't use.
Bottom line is that you shouldn't listen to the idiot reviewers who didn't use the Note 10.1 as its intended audience. They were all just looking for iPad-esque tablets and not looking at what the Note 10.1 really is.
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Just found a new stylus by wacom,bamboo stylus
http://www.wacom.eu/index2.asp?lang=en
Looks promising, should be due out this month. It has the thinnest nib of any stylus on the market, and since I take alot of stylus notes (maple paint and genial) I think this is a must have for me.
I have ordered it from their site, delivery is within 14 days, i am currently using the Boxwave one but like this one because it is the size of an average ball point pen which I would prefer. Hope it works as well as or better than the Boxwave. I went for it because of wacom's reputation.
Can be ordered from here:
http://eu.shop.wacom.eu/Bamboo/Bamboo-Stylus/Bamboo-Stylus?c=9149
ordered a dagi one as the bamboo looks pretty pricey for.....a possibly better designed rubber nub. I use a wacom tablet and know they make some nice stuff, but it doesn't seem to be much different than the cheaper alternatives out there.
The dagi should be interesting with the clear tip and red dot so you can see where you're pointing, gonna play around with autodesk sketchbook mobile with it.
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ordered a dagi one ....The dagi should be interesting with the clear tip and red dot so you can see where you're pointing, gonna play around with autodesk sketchbook mobile with it.
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I am interested to hear how this one works out. I am currently using a targus which works great for me. but want a little more precision. Please update this when you get it....
Think will order one, will give a review of it when received, but probably be a few weeks before I get it
does the wacom pen work with the TF-101? I am confused....
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does the wacom pen work with the TF-101? I am confused....
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Its not anything that will work like a wacom tablet + their stylus. This is just a regular capacitive stylus with the nub at the end of it, it just so happens that wacom makes it. Theres no interactivity between the stylus and the device other than the contact of the nib. So yea, it will work fine with the TF101, as will all capactive styli on the market today.
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I am interested to hear how this one works out. I am currently using a targus which works great for me. but want a little more precision. Please update this when you get it....
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It takes a little getting used to to hold it properly and to put the right pressure to get that disc centered, but once you do, the lines start at or very close to the dot, depending on whether i am holding it right. It takes a bit of getting used to, and seems more suitable for drawing and sketching. This is because if you're doing quick swipes i.e. quickly jotting down notes you might not get the disc centered before the tablet registers the touch, causing a fairly inaccurate input.
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It takes a little getting used to to hold it properly and to put the right pressure to get that disc centered, but once you do, the lines start at or very close to the dot, depending on whether i am holding it right. It takes a bit of getting used to, and seems more suitable for drawing and sketching. This is because if you're doing quick swipes i.e. quickly jotting down notes you might not get the disc centered before the tablet registers the touch, causing a fairly inaccurate input.
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That doesn't sound too promising. I'm expecting mine to be delivered on Monday. Was going to use it for handwrite note taking
I ordered the DAGI too.
I'll also provide feedback once I receive it.
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That doesn't sound too promising. I'm expecting mine to be delivered on Monday. Was going to use it for handwrite note taking
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Well the way I see it when u are handwriting your movements should just follow your first stroke. I tried writing quickly and found the dot to be useless because I'm writing so fast I'm just going by muscle memory instead of trying to aim it
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I really cant wait to hear what you guys think of the stylus.
Acually, it all depends on how well the transformer can be used to handwrite/inking for me if im going to buy it or not. =)
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I really cant wait to hear what you guys think of the stylus.
Acually, it all depends on how well the transformer can be used to handwrite/inking for me if im going to buy it or not. =)
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I have received mine today and can give a little feedback on how I am finding the stylus in use.
The stylus itself is really nice to hold in the hand, its weight is just right and it actually feels like you are holding a good quality pen. I expected it to be a little longer, more like the size of a standard size ball point pen however it is just a little bit shorter than this. Having said this, because of the way the weight is distributed on the stylus, it does not feel uncomfortable in the hand and feels very natural.
The end uses a small rubbery nib similar to others available however is considerably smaller when compared to the Boxwave stylus which I also use. This allows for more precision when writing and placement on the tablet.
To test handwriting, I used Tabnotes which is available on the market as a trial. My findings are that the stylus can definitely be used for handwriting and produces very acceptable results, I can confidently say that the writing produced from it resembled my true handwriting (Which is not very tidy by the way but is unique to me).
There is a slight screen sensitivity issue which I think is related to the transformer and not the pen. When you place dots on top of the letter i or strike through letters like t, you need to apply a bit more pressure (not excessive) or it may not register on the tablet.
I used a similar test on my HTC desire HD (DHD) and this is where the quality of the stylus was really highlighted. On the DHD, straight away I noticed that the screen was more responsive, the stylus seemed to glide effortlessly on it's screen with minimal pressure being applied and the results were near enough 100%. I used writepad to test on the DHD which converts your handwriting into typed text and my handwriting was recognised instantly.
Hopefully the upgrade to the honeycomb software will address the sensitivity issue on the transformer which if it does will make the Transformer an ideal platform for handwritten notes. Having said this, in its current form it is still very usable, all it means is that you have to use slightly more pressure on the transformer. I am also assuming that this will work even better on the Ipad2 because the screen sensitivity is no doubt better on it.
I hope this has been helpful, any queries about the stylus, let me know and I will try to help before you take the plunge and buy it.
Edit: I have since writing this, used it on my wifes Ipad2 and as I thought it gave very similar results as the DHD where the results were equal i.e. almost 100% accuracy.
I have also added some pics where I have compared the size of the Boxwave stylus against the Bamboo stylus and another pic showing the size difference of the nibs on each.
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I have received mine today and can give a little feedback on how I am finding the stylus in use.
The stylus itself is really nice to hold in the hand, its weight is just right and it actually feels like you are holding a good quality pen. I expected it to be a little longer, more like the size of a standard size ball point pen however it is just a little bit shorter than this. Having said this, because of the way the weight is distributed on the stylus, it does not feel uncomfortable in the hand and feels very natural.
The end uses a small rubbery nib similar to others available however is considerably smaller when compared to the Boxwave stylus which I also use. This allows for more precision when writing and placement on the tablet.
To test handwriting, I used Tabnotes which is available on the market as a trial. My findings are that the stylus can definitely be used for handwriting and produces very acceptable results, I can confidently say that the writing produced from it resembled my true handwriting (Which is not very tidy by the way but is unique to me).
There is a slight screen sensitivity issue which I think is related to the transformer and not the pen. When you place dots on top of the letter i or strike through letters like t, you need to apply a bit more pressure (not excessive) or it may not register on the tablet.
I used a similar test on my HTC desire HD (DHD) and this is where the quality of the stylus was really highlighted. On the DHD, straight away I noticed that the screen was more responsive, the stylus seemed to glide effortlessly on it's screen with minimal pressure being applied and the results were near enough 100%. I used writepad to test on the DHD which converts your handwriting into typed text and my handwriting was recognised instantly.
Hopefully the upgrade to the honeycomb software will address the sensitivity issue on the transformer which if it does will make the Transformer an ideal platform for handwritten notes. Having said this, in its current form it is still very usable, all it means is that you have to use slightly more pressure on the transformer. I am also assuming that this will work even better on the Ipad2 because the screen sensitivity is no doubt better on it.
I hope this has been helpful, any queries about the stylus, let me know and I will try to help before you take the plunge and buy it.
Edit: I have since writing this, used it on my wifes Ipad2 and as I thought it gave very similar results as the DHD where the results were equal i.e. almost 100% accuracy.
I have also added some pics where I have compared the size of the Boxwave stylus against the Bamboo stylus and another pic showing the size difference of the nibs on each.
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first of all thanks for the review on the stylus but, please, can you show some video or picture on this handwriting?
Thanks
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first of all thanks for the review on the stylus but, please, can you show some video or picture on this handwriting?
Thanks
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Sample added to my orginal post to show sample of note using my handwriting and a new note taking app which is soon to be released called "Tabnotes", at the moment a trial is available and the output quality has been reduced until the software is relesed by the developer who is busy finalising the software.
Ps sorry about my bad handwriting, been typing now for years and it has somewhat gone down hill ever since...
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Sample added to my orginal post to show sample of note using my handwriting and a new note taking app which is soon to be released called "Tabnotes", at the moment a trial is available and the output quality has been reduced until the software is relesed by the developer who is busy finalising the software.
Ps sorry about my bad handwriting, been typing now for years and it has somewhat gone down hill ever since...
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That looks awesome, im going to use it for marking up pdf drawings in the field. If i can keep somewhat a straightish line its a winner.
@ Delecron:
You can draw lines using Repligo reader or EZpdf which also allows you to draw in freehand if necessary.
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Sample added to my orginal post to show sample of note using my handwriting and a new note taking app which is soon to be released called "Tabnotes", at the moment a trial is available and the output quality has been reduced until the software is relesed by the developer who is busy finalising the software.
Ps sorry about my bad handwriting, been typing now for years and it has somewhat gone down hill ever since...
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Looks good- I also recently been using Tabnotes with a Targus which works great. I LOVE Tabnotes- it definitely has some great potential. Any idea when the full version will be released. I am sick of looking at the Trial version smack in the middle of the papers..
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Looks good- I also recently been using Tabnotes with a Targus which works great. I LOVE Tabnotes- it definitely has some great potential. Any idea when the full version will be released. I am sick of looking at the Trial version smack in the middle of the papers..
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Had an email from the developer a couple of days ago where he apologised for not getting back to an email that I had sent him when he first put the software on the market where I requested from him a few changes such as having the undo and other tools at the top instead of having to select them via the menu option. He has done this and made a few other changes that enhance the software e.g. the little arrows on the bottom corner on the right to position the writing area etc.
Hopefully he should be releasing the full version fairly soon because he also advised that the reason for late response to emails was because he is hard at work improving the software before release which in his estimation is a couple of weeks.
I am checking for software updates daily for Tabnotes as I too can see the potential of this program and it is definitely my first choice for producing hand written notes on my tablet.
Too costly, even though the quality is there I just can't pay that much. Probably going to buy a few of these.
Screen sizes are not significantly different (especially after the lost pixels due to the Honey bar), IMO, plus the Note will get ICS in the near future. Also, having experienced with both Wacom and N-trig digitizers, I generally favor Wacom (which is what the Note has). Of course there is a huge price difference between these two at this time, but the Note is also a phone right out of the box (unlocked version is about $650, and AT&T version with two year plan is $300).
So what do you think? Worth shelling out the extra money for the Note? Or remain faithful to the Flyer/View?
Get both! Its what I'm doing! BTW If you get a new two year contract you can take another $100 off the Note price, link through retailmenot
I guess it depends on whether you actually use the stylus for writing BC if you do, I think that the apparently small screen difference will probably be quite apparent. I've never tried out the note, so I could be wrong....but looking at the engadget review writing sample, it looks like I may be correct.
I use the stylus quite a bit. Honestly, for serious inking/annotating for professional purposes (I am a college professor), anything less than a 10-inch screen just looks too small to me, so I use my ThinkPad Tablet. For lighter inking/note-taking, the Flyer is better, also because it is significantly less bulky than the TPT. In this regard, I think the Galaxy Note may be a good substitute.
I'm intrigued by the idea of having both. But personally still on the fence about whether the Note is too big to be practical as a phone.
On a side note, I think its ironic that the stylus is coming back to smartphones (LG is copying the idea also). Everyone was all like "its so cool that the iPhone came out and you don't need the stupid stylus to poke the screen". Now people are realizing that they have some really useful and cool applications, and never should have gotten rid of them. Sure the stylus concept is updated, but the basic idea is the same.
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I'm intrigued by the idea of having both. But personally still on the fence about whether the Note is too big to be practical as a phone.
On a side note, I think its ironic that the stylus is coming back to smartphones (LG is copying the idea also). Everyone was all like "its so cool that the iPhone came out and you don't need the stupid stylus to poke the screen". Now people are realizing that they have some really useful and cool applications, and never should have gotten rid of them. Sure the stylus concept is updated, but the basic idea is the same.
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Yeah, I used to try so hard not to have to use the stylus on my Windows Mobile phones. Now I am like, huh...really...styluses are cool now.
Since I haven't touched either yet I don't have much to add. But I was just debating this before I recently ordered the Flyer. With the Note around $600 (no contracts for me) and the flyer at $200 it was just easier to take a chance on the Flyer. If the Note fails at taking notes then what did I just buy? If the Flyer fails my kids get a new toy. And I am hoping to do more writing than I think I'd want to do on 5".
The review of the Note on The Verge says that the Note has the better pen then the Flyer, accuracy etc. fwiw.
ive only had my note for two days, and i havent used the stylus much yet, but if im making a call id peg the flyer pen as more accurate
Pressure sensitive stylus are useful. The plastic stick palm pilots had allowed poor ui choices
I've been using both. The Note has far better accuracy in writing than the Flyer in my opinion. In addition, the ability to zoom in in portrait mode is much better for fine details. I still can't understand why the Flyer doesn't have this.
That being said, the Flyer's Evernote integration is still hands-down better. The fact that it seamlessly integrates with meetings and reminders as well as automatically syncs with Evernote makes it a lot easier to move between devices with. Also, having the erase button on the stylus is really convenient.
In the end, I'll probably end up replacing my Flyer with the Note just because the Note is a lot more convenient and I only have to carry around one device, but there are still some nice features to the Flyer that you can't find on the Note. Hopefully, Samsung can replicate some of the great functionality HTC worked into the Flyer.
I did take some comparison shots in case anyone was looking at it from a size standpoint. You can find them on my Google album -https://plus.google.com/photos/101248606811583627981/albums/5711273582828842705
Wow, those are great comparison shots. Thank you so much for posting them. I am receiving my Note tomorrow to replace my trusty old Nexus One. I am really pumped-up now!
I have both the Note and the Evo View. I use the Note as my main driver and a phone. My Evo View is used for times I need bigger screen to watch movies or surf the net or play games... I guess I can do all those on my Note but I baby my Note so it doesn't get abuse while my View gets toss around. My kids watch videos on the go on it. It's nice to have the 7" screen for kids to play on as well so that they don't touch my Note.
I do like the pen input better on the View since it's got a bigger screen to draw on and ink as well as better intergration of selecting options for the pen. As far as accuracy and lag... I think they are pretty similar... slight lag and okay accuracy.
Oh..and battery on the View last a lot longer since I have it in airplane mode and wifi on only. It last about a week with about 6 to 7 hour screen on time. During standby.. it only drops about 1% in 24 hours.
If I had to choose just only one device, then it would be the Note though since it can do everything that the View can do. But it is also a lot more expensive as well. My Note was $500 more than the View unless you get the Note on contract then it's only about $100 difference then. But if you just want a tablet with stylus input ability, then I would get the Flyer/View while they are on clearance.
I just tried the Note yesterday and here are my impressions:
1) TAKING NOTES: C-
The thing that struck me the most odd about the Note is that they call it the "Note" and yet have engineered it in such a way as actually taking "notes" on it is almost impossible.
If you are like me and like to rest your fat old palm on the screen as you are writing, the Note simply will not work for you. I assumed that the Engineers at Samsung would have done something clever like disabling the hard buttons at the bottom of the screen anytime the s-pen was within an inch of the screen. But no, they didn't. If you attempt to write notes and your palm hits the hard buttons at the bottom, literally all hell will break loose on the screen. You simply cannot take notes. It is impossible. With the View, after a while you sort of get the hang of resting your palm on the screen in such a way to not trigger the keyboard or menus, but with the Note this is simply not possible.
One HUGE benefit of using the View to take notes is the ability of the pen to quickly highlight typed text. I LOVE this. The s-pen on the Note does not have this ability (that I could tell anyway).
Horrible, horrible implementation by Samsung.
2) SPEED: B
The thing is slow. This REALLY shocked me given the specs but there is no way the Note I tried was nearly as quick as my View. When I scrolled webpages I even saw the dreaded checkerboard pattern occasionally. I was shocked.
3) FORM FACTOR: A+
The size is nice and it's light and thin. I use a bluetooth headset anyway so would never be holding it up to my face and looking like a dork.
Conclusion:
Overall nice device but needs some serious software tweaks to be a contender.
P.S., Guess, what? The Sprint Rep told me that he heard from TPTB that Sprint will be getting the Note this summer.
Did you try the Unlocked International version? Or the AT&T version?
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Did you try the Unlocked International version? Or the AT&T version?
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AT&T Version.
I have both the note and flyer. I use the two Devices interchangeably.
Aside from the clicks noise the pen makes on the flyer screen, it's pen is still better IMO. it has eraser on it - v convenient. Taking screenshots is more straightforward. When. Taking notes, u can just continue to write, page extends to accommodate writing. On the Note however, u must open up a new page after first is full. you must also save the first full page separately...as separate document. Being able to just continue writing on the Flyer is an advantage for note-taking at meetings. But, you need somewhere to put your pen, on the flyer, there's no stylus slot option..
Screen and camera - in some respects is leaps and bounds ahead on Note; brighter images. Although, flyer is still v good for brightened. Flyers have advantage though with regard to current quality control. In snore forums you will notice several concerns about pixilated dark images on stills and videos. Also, concerns about artifacts on some Note screens - visible on dark grey backgrounds.
Calendar - Note has more functionality and pen can be used to arrange calendar appointments - I don't think this can be done on flyer.
Seven screens on Note vs 5 on Honeycombed HTC flyer. However, the note will never be able to touch the Flyer for screen transition animation and weather animation. If you like your bling, it's got to be the flyer, no competition.
Battery...I have been finding the note battery much much better than my flyer battery. With note on low to moderate use, I can go for 2 days. With the flyer, it's only a day. Difference is really apparent when upping use to moderate.
They are both good in own ways. If u can get flyer dirt cheap, buy it alongside the note. If not, stick with Note. Note wins as it easily works as multifunction device. But Flyer is more of a Web-surfing, video and brief note device. Even for the 32GB 3g flyer, phone functionality is difficult (pls correct me if I've got this wrong - as I have wifi-only Flyer but have read moans on 3g threads). So if phone accessibility and quality is important, go for Note. But of you're floored by minor quality control flaws, go for the HTC.
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But Flyer is more of a Web-surfing, video and brief note device
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I've had my note for a couple of days, and the above review is pretty much spot on. I'd like to also add that the Note, despite its size, still feels like a phone, with additional note-taking capabilities and a nice screen. The Flyer, on the other hand, feels more like a small tablet (which is exactly what it is!)
Since I had them both, I would prefer using view than note. I bought note when it first released in my town. And I became so frustated after several days using it due to its form factor isn't note taking friendly. So I gave my note to my wife, and I bought the view. and yes, I am very satisfied with the view.
This tablet is incredible. The screen is ridiculously good and any fool that says otherwise need glasses or are biased. The build quality feels great and everything runs like a dream.
There are a few issues but the performance is spectacular and more than make up for them.
Issues.
Back cover is not flush or cut properly.
The sound dampening and vibration dampening is poor. Sounds and vibrations are felt too cleanly while holding the tablet. I had to turn off the keypress vibrations.
Some apps are not optimized yet like boat browser. Dolphin and jetpack runs incredible though.
Amazing device. The price makes it even more incredible.
Edit. I just realized that the uneven back piece is most likely the cause of the poor sound and vibration dampening. Take it off or put a case on it and that should take care of it.
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This tablet is incredible. The screen is ridiculously good and any fool that says otherwise need glasses or are biased. The build quality feels great and everything runs like a dream.
There are a few issues but the performance is spectacular and more than make up for them.
Issues.
Back cover is not flush or cut properly.
The sound dampening and vibration dampening is poor. Sounds and vibrations are felt too cleanly while holding the tablet. I had to turn off the keypress vibrations.
Some apps are not optimized yet like boat browser. Dolphin and jetpack runs incredible though.
Amazing device. The price makes it even more incredible.
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Should have seen the crowd of employees gathered around me at Futureshop just a bit ago. Took it in to see if any of the official Note 10.1 or Tab 2 10.1 cases would fit (they don't), and everyone wanted to take a look at it.
Standing right in front of the iPad table.
Just got mine and am in love with this device. Luckily there is no light bleeding and dead pixels for me.
The screen is just amazing and I don't care about the back design since I will be getting a rotatable case next week
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Should have seen the crowd of employees gathered around me at Futureshop just a bit ago. Took it in to see if any of the official Note 10.1 or Tab 2 10.1 cases would fit (they don't), and everyone wanted to take a look at it.
Standing right in front of the iPad table.
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Belkin case for Tab 2 fits. Top corner bracket covers power button slightly, but doesn't impair function. Could use a little trim.
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My HTC 8x screen looks like crap compared to the Nexus 10 screen and that supposedly has one of the nicer mobile screens like the One X. Amazing!
I sold my iPad 3 awhile back so I can't make a direct comparison but I didn't remember it looking anywhere near this sharp. Wow!
Cleaned this thread from trolling. Still I will close it, because it definitely serves no purpose, provides no new details or helps other users.
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I'm interested in buying the tablet for handwriting and even drawing if possible. Does anyone have any experience they can share?
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I'm interested in buying the tablet for handwriting and even drawing if possible. Does anyone have any experience they can share?
Cheers
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I've used my Tablet Z for handwriting/notetaking and tried using the tab for drawing. The initial firmware the device came with in my case ( 10.1.C.0.344 ) had, quite frankly, very poor performance using a variety of styluses. Ultimately, I opted for a Jot-flip stylus, as it had the best relative performance (was okay, others were bad).
The firmware update to 10.1.C.0.370 greatly improved the performance of the touch screen & its responsiveness. That said, there still is some room for improvement in this department.
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It takes some getting used to in order to be able to draw. In portrait mode, I don't really have to worry about resting my hand on the screen, but it seems to happen quite often in landscape. This is an annoyance but isn't a deal breaker.
If you've got an app you'd like for me to try or anything else, I'd be willing to give my impressions.
I have a Jot classic, and it works great. The sensitivity is very good.
http://adonit.net/jot/
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I've used my Tablet Z for handwriting/notetaking and tried using the tab for drawing. The initial firmware the device came with in my case ( 10.1.C.0.344 ) had, quite frankly, very poor performance using a variety of styluses. Ultimately, I opted for a Jot-flip stylus, as it had the best relative performance (was okay, others were bad).
The firmware update to 10.1.C.0.370 greatly improved the performance of the touch screen & its responsiveness. That said, there still is some room for improvement in this department.
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It takes some getting used to in order to be able to draw. In portrait mode, I don't really have to worry about resting my hand on the screen, but it seems to happen quite often in landscape. This is an annoyance but isn't a deal breaker.
If you've got an app you'd like for me to try or anything else, I'd be willing to give my impressions.
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Thank you for the insightful experience.
I have heard a lot of good things about the Papyrus app, some samsung users even prefer this over the default S-note app. Perhaps you could try that out and see if you like it?
As for resting hand on the screen while drawing, I was thinking if wearing a glove would help, or pull a long sleeve shirt all the way to cover your hand that will be contacting the screen.
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Thank you for the insightful experience.
I have heard a lot of good things about the Papyrus app, some samsung users even prefer this over the default S-note app. Perhaps you could try that out and see if you like it?
As for resting hand on the screen while drawing, I was thinking if wearing a glove would help, or pull a long sleeve shirt all the way to cover your hand that will be contacting the screen.
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I've used Papyrus on my Note 2 quite a bit and it is one hell of a lot better that S-Note. Using it with a stylus on the XTZ is a big difference for me, I have used styluses (styli?) In the past on other tablets (Kindle Fire, original Asus Transformer, and a couple others) and there is a huge difference in the XTZ and other tablets. It seems like the XTZ is much much better and responds faster than the others but there is much to be desired IMHO. It is doable most definitely and works better than the others over personally tested, except for the Sammy devices, but if you want a tablet specifically for note taking and serious drawing I think you would be better off either getting one of the Note tablets or a Wacom tablet.
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1-It is easy to handle and carry, far easier than the Galaxy Note 2. Fits in both shirt and pants pockets. Works one handed.
2-Loads web pages quicker than the Galaxy Note 2. Actually loads quicker than the Macbook Pro. Easy to browse and read web sites. Great screen.
3-Small apps is far more fun and easier to use than the split screen Samsung uses on their phones. You can use widgets as well as Sony extensions from the Play store. Easy to access along with recent apps with dedicated soft key.
4-No stylus required. Finger or just about anything works.
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1-It is easy to handle and carry, far easier than the Galaxy Note 2. Fits in both shirt and pants pockets. Works one handed.
2-Loads web pages quicker than the Galaxy Note 2. Actually loads quicker than the Macbook Pro. Easy to browse and read web sites. Great screen.
3-Small apps is far more fun and easier to use than the split screen Samsung uses on their phones. You can use widgets as well as Sony extensions from the Play store. Easy to access along with recent apps with dedicated soft key.
4-No stylus required. Finger or just about anything works.
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As a ZU owner:
1. No it is not FAR easier than the note 2. It doesn't fit in my clothes because pockets are typically bounded by their Length and Width dimensions, not their thickness which renders the thinness of the ZU a moot point. The note 2 is easier to use one handed
2. It loads faster than the galaxy note 2 because the note 2 is one year old in terms of hardware and software. Does it really load faster than the MBP? Cool, good to know. The screen is amazing
3. The small apps and samsungs multiscreen serve completely different functions, that being said I never really needed to use multi-windows and I've never really needed to use small-apps before but the small-apps do sound like they would be more useful.
4. Actually you must have a stylus made out of a certain type of metal otherwise, just about "anything" does not work, it is quite dissapointing actually I haven't found a "stylus" that is very accurate yet, Sony should also have included an actual stylus oriented app (sketch is just a crude ms-paint kind of thing)
Bottom line, I love this phone, it is not without it's flaws, just don't be irrational and let the new-phone-feeling get to your head.
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1-It is easy to handle and carry, far easier than the Galaxy Note 2. Fits in both shirt and pants pockets. Works one handed.
2-Loads web pages quicker than the Galaxy Note 2. Actually loads quicker than the Macbook Pro. Easy to browse and read web sites. Great screen.
3-Small apps is far more fun and easier to use than the split screen Samsung uses on their phones. You can use widgets as well as Sony extensions from the Play store. Easy to access along with recent apps with dedicated soft key.
4-No stylus required. Finger or just about anything works.
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For such a massive tablet like device, your claims are very had to believe.
That thing is freaking huge!!!!!
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zodiac100 said:
For such a massive tablet like device, your claims are very had to believe.
That thing is freaking huge!!!!!
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Actually it is not that big as people thought.
I can fit nicely in my working pants and jeans comfortable without issue.
By the way, Xperia Z Ultra is open, any related Xperia Z Ultra shall head over here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2441
I almost disagree with you on all the points except the last one. I agree that Sony shud hv included dedicated Note taking App for Note taking addicts like myself(I Switched from Note 2)
This Device is awesome in all aspects and I love the build quality, it really feels that I hv spent 800$(unlike cheap build of Samsung, that plastic feels)
Want to warn ZU that please do not use any Metal as Stylus as It will scratch your screen (Just got replaced my scratched ZU from Sony Yesterday)
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Sebring5 said:
1-It is easy to handle and carry, far easier than the Galaxy Note 2. Fits in both shirt and pants pockets. Works one handed.
2-Loads web pages quicker than the Galaxy Note 2. Actually loads quicker than the Macbook Pro. Easy to browse and read web sites. Great screen.
3-Small apps is far more fun and easier to use than the split screen Samsung uses on their phones. You can use widgets as well as Sony extensions from the Play store. Easy to access along with recent apps with dedicated soft key.
4-No stylus required. Finger or just about anything works.
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Please could you clarify what is a Sony Extension and how are they different from a standard app?, why are they good for the XZU?, thanks
I Agree Bro
Afridi
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Please could you clarify what is a Sony Extension and how are they different from a standard app?, why are they good for the XZU?, thanks
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On the Sony Xperia Z Ultra, when you press the right hand button you get recently opened applications as well as a list of your favorite small apps or Sony extensions. These are both your widgets and small apps designed for Sony Xperia and Smartwatch. When you open one it takes up a small part of your screen and allows both it and the previously running app to run and be used at the same time. For example, you can run a clock with your browser. For example, you can use the telephone and open a note in the corner of your screen and take a note without leaving the phone UI. For example, you can view G Mail or messaging while in your browser or on the phone. This would be similar to Samsung's split screen only both apps are active at the same time and you can make the small app or widget whatever size you want at whatever location you want. Far more useful.
Question for some of the ZU owners here:
I got the device a few days a go from one of the unlocked phones retails here in the US and i have many touch screen problems with it.
Sometimes it won't register touch properly, for example i would try to scroll through the email list in the gmail app and it will open an email instead (i.e. it will register the scroll gesture and a click).
This happens on all apps (Facebook, google currents etc..).
Anyone else is seeing this or is my device defective?
I ran the software update from Sony but it is still happening.
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Question for some of the ZU owners here:
I got the device a few days a go from one of the unlocked phones retails here in the US and i have many touch screen problems with it.
Sometimes it won't register touch properly, for example i would try to scroll through the email list in the gmail app and it will open an email instead (i.e. it will register the scroll gesture and a click).
This happens on all apps (Facebook, google currents etc..).
Anyone else is seeing this or is my device defective?
I ran the software update from Sony but it is still happening.
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Do a factory reset through Sony pc conpanion. If it doesn't work go take it back to the shop and ask for an exchange or refund.
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Do a factory reset through Sony pc conpanion. If it doesn't work go take it back to the shop and ask for an exchange or refund.
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Tried. Still the same.
I was actually interested in knowing if other owners have the same issue or not. This might be a hardware issue with my unit or a software issue but then other people should be seeing it too.
In .461, I find a bit over sensitive, after update to .471, no more any issue.
I have the same issue. It is better after the update, but still overly sensitive. I also set the touch and hold delay to medium but it's still not perfect.
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Battery is waaay worse than Note2
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Battery is waaay worse than Note2
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I got around 7 hours of constant internet and SOT of 5 hours (playing RO Valkyrie Uprising game mostly). can't really say it's bad after updating to .475
Really like the phone also, just wish the camera was better. I'm not a photographer, and don't want to play with ISO settings, etc.
Hopefully auto can be improved in a firmware update, otherwise I'll be sticking with my HTC One and hoping the HTC One Max is real.
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1-It is easy to handle and carry, far easier than the Galaxy Note 2. Fits in both shirt and pants pockets. Works one handed.
2-Loads web pages quicker than the Galaxy Note 2. Actually loads quicker than the Macbook Pro. Easy to browse and read web sites. Great screen.
3-Small apps is far more fun and easier to use than the split screen Samsung uses on their phones. You can use widgets as well as Sony extensions from the Play store. Easy to access along with recent apps with dedicated soft key.
4-No stylus required. Finger or just about anything works.
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After reviewing myself, I also agree that the Xperia Z Ultra is more usable than originally perceived. It's not that big for a phone, and it's not too small for a tablet.
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After reviewing myself, I also agree that the Xperia Z Ultra is more usable than originally perceived. It's not that big for a phone, and it's not too small for a tablet.
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yep rocks. battery had me worried at first .. but now its decent . i still hate the plastic shatter proof screen so I took it off .. its nice now . best phone I have ever owned
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yep rocks. battery had me worried at first .. but now its decent . i still hate the plastic shatter proof screen so I took it off .. its nice now . best phone I have ever owned
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Huh? How did you remove the plastic shatter proof screen?
Freaking huge if you only use small devices. Freaking small if you use to always have a tablet around. As a Nexus 7 user when I first had this phone on my hands it felt so tiny and light compare to it. Now it feel normal and it fit in every shorts, pants and jeans pockets I have. Even on skinny jeans (do not own any ultra skinny jeans but guess it doesn't fit in).
After please people, compare what can be compared. This phone is in no way like a Note 2 or 3, size is really too different. Only phone that can be compared is the Mega (mid-end device with low price) and some other phablets I saw while traveling in Korean but mostly use by people who want to watch TV while moving by bus/metro.
Notes are big phones but not tablets, the Z Ultra is a phablet, huge for a phone but small for a tablet. Does anybody talk about operating a tablet 1 handed? Does anybody compare a 7/8" tab to a 10.1" and say that a 7/8" is better because it is lightweight and easier to carry everywhere? Or 10.1 better because bigger screen?
This phone is definitely oriented for people who want a tablet and a phone but don't want to have 2 devices when moving outside. And like the cream on the top of a cake they made it with an amazing CPU/GPU and features.
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