I just sold my transformer prime infinity...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
Well I was just looking around here and I don't have a Nexus 10. I got a Galaxy Note 10.1 and from my experience the picture matters a lot.
I mean there are a lot of wallpaper sites with ultra HD and optimized wallpapers for retina display, but the same resolution is not always the same sharpness. some are crappy cropped or zoomed.
Use quickpic to set your background picture. The stock gallery app sometimes crops the pictures false.
And pictures with a resolution below the maximum resolution will always look a bit crappy. that means that when you are using a fullHD picture, which was nice for transformer prime, it can look less sharp on a display with higher resolution like nexus 10
I too come from Prime and there is no contest, this screen is sharper than Prime by miles.
How stuff looks will depend on what you are seeing.
If you have set regular wallpaper, it will look all blurry thanks to resolution. Even so called HD wallpapers will look blurry on this. You need to go search for wallpapers for MacBook Pro retina and use those on this tablet using quickpic. None of the apps from Android market have good wallpapers that are having native resolution of this tablet.
Text is sharp and crisp on this.
Most arcade games are not optimised for this screen and look terrible or blurry. That is not screen's fault.
Desktop web pages look nice full and crisp. So only real issue of lack of sharpness comes into picture when the content is not ready for screen. That includes apps, images and games.
I also come from Prime.
I wouldn't say the Prime screen looks sharper than the Nexus 10. Reading text on the N10, for example, the resolution is really amazing, very nice on the Nexus 10.
The colors and brightness and blacks is a different story. The Prime had those 3 much nicer than the Nexus 10. I loved playing Marble Blast on the Prime, the graphics looked amazingly vivid. On the Nexus 10 they appear as meh.
Its the prime infinity. Drastic difference. What a shame. Gonna put the nex up 4sale.
suzook said:
I just sold my transformer prime...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
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I actually have to disagree with you a little bit here. 720p video should look just as good on the Nexus 10 as it does on the Note 10.1. 1280x800 times 2 is 2560x1600. Because of that each pixel of a 720p video will take up exactly 4 pixels on the Nexus 10; however those 4 pixels on the N10 are the same area that would be a single pixel on the Note 10.1. This is a clean ratio. On the TF700 you got to 1920x1200 which is 1.5 times 1280x800. This is not a whole ratio and means that pixels of a 720p video will take up between 1 and 4 pixels on the TF700 display (determined by a fancy algorithm for scaling images).
The Nexus 10 playing 1080p video should have about the same blurriness as the TF700 playing 720p video.
Nitemare3219 said:
Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Lol as a former owner of both (returned Prime C1 for 700 a C6 then returned that, and I started the thread in Prime forums for users who Asus lost our first mailed GPS dongles)- your fooling yourself or you got a N10 with a bad screen
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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The problem with this screen is calibration and black levels.
Colors are extremely washed, red is a poor red, same with blue. This totally kills the screen. If you compare this with ipad screen, you will cry. Not because of viewing angles, not because of brightness, because of colours. Google was really smart when they decided not to calibrate their screens, same with nexus 4, while other OEMs take care of this thing deeply.
And black, despite numbers of the reviews, its quite poor, mostly because every single unit has light bleed (some with a hard mess, others this problem is smaller)
As a result, a top screen with such a poor implementation. This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one, with many pixels, but nothing else. And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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light bleed is not a software issue
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light bleed is not a software issue
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Yep, meant the calibration thing, it's about software. Black thing is because a bad manufacturing process, probably because of low price tag., or crappy manufacturers.
blackhand1001 said:
You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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Wow...that blows. Maybe we need a 4.1 ROM??
I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
Yep, I completely agree with one of the previous posters, this is definetly a black level issue. I put the iPad with a Retina Display right against a Nexus 10 both playing the same 1080i MKV. The iPad clearly won.
I still like the Nexus 10 a lot and I find it very comfortable to use because of how thin it is and how light it is, but to improve the product I think Google missed it some here. They could lowered the resolution considerably (1920 x 1080 is more than fine), improved on black level, and used the same processor. The lower resolution would have allowed that processor to scream since it wouldn't have been as taxed to interpolate so many pixels.
I don't know if it is a software issue or not, but if it is I really hope Google releases a fix. If there was a way to adjust Gamma or Contrast it might help considerably.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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There's no way on earth text (or other computer generated content like the UI and icons) will look better on a 147PPI display (Prime) vs. 224PPI (TF700) or 300PPI (N10). The reason is as 404 Error did a great job of explaining is that text is a 1:1 match pixel wise; the more pixels the sharper the image. Photos and videos display even the clearest content over multiple pixels so the advantage of a higher PPI becomes less pronounced. And the human eye (even yours) can't resolve sharpness over 229PPI beyond 15". So, your 20/20 eyes are decieving you. The N10 has less contrast and isn't as bright as older displays so that might be what you're reacting to.
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This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one,
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well lets hope this guy will change that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9H-TtObBY
tacitust said:
I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
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Mine has this problem and so do at least a few others. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2007676
I'm still debating if it annoys me enough to justify an exchange.
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So if the Vibrant is only 800X480, why does a 720p movie look better than a 480 movie, it seems like the max is 480..... Also, if the Iphone 4 has 960x640, even though it looks amazing, way better than any android, it isnt actually playing a 720p video in full either is it? yes i realize how stupid that question seems to many of you. I couldnt figure out how to search google for the question. So enlighten me if you can. After you give me crap for not searching of course...thanks
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So if the Vibrant is only 800X480, why does a 720p movie look better than a 480 movie, it seems like the max is 480..... Also, if the Iphone 4 has 960x640, even though it looks amazing, way better than any android, it isnt actually playing a 720p video in full either is it? yes i realize how stupid that question seems to many of you. I couldnt figure out how to search google for the question. So enlighten me if you can. After you give me crap for not searching of course...thanks
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What is the resolution of the movie you are comparing it to? What is the format of the movie? How was it compressed? All of this and more affects the resolution of the video. If you have a 720p movie, it my be down-converted to 480 on playback, but because it was compressed at a higher quality (and maybe in a less lossy format), it's going to look better than a movie compressed in standard-definition (and more than likely at lower data rates).
because 720 is bigger than 480, the image size is bigger and usually has a higher bitrate too than a regular 480 video, so if 720 is played on anything smaller than a 720display, it gets resized (downsized) to fit the screen (without any quality loss), in this case a 480 screen. So all those pixels on the 720 video get pushed closer together thus showing more detail on the 480 screen.
a 480 video usually looks just fine on a 480 display, but since a 720 video is bigger and was meant for higher resolution screens, it has a higher bitrate which makes it store more detail than a 480 video, that's why it looks better
thanks for the replies, that makes perfect sense. if its 720 pixels i didnt understand how they could all be on a screen capable of only 480 but i guess compressing the video maintains the quality.
And to answer the questions, i just dl a movie, and drag and drop to my vibrant through doubletwist which takes care of the conversion. Although ive noticed none of the videos i download look nearly as good as default Avatar. I dl 1080/720 movies and they always have the very pronounced, large pixels when there is action and bright colors. But Avatar looks great so i guess maybe i could use something other than doubletwist and get a better quality conversion? Because the Vibrant is clearly capable of displaying fast action and huge varieties of colors like in Avatar
That said im ready for HTC/Moto/Samsung to start popping out some high res displays to rival the I4. The Vibrant has a nice screen but put it next to the damn I4 and it looks downright dull. I guess that tiny 3.5" screen next to the Vibrant's perfectly sized 4" display benefits the I4 visually as well...
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thanks for the replies, that makes perfect sense. if its 720 pixels i didnt understand how they could all be on a screen capable of only 480 but i guess compressing the video maintains the quality.
And to answer the questions, i just dl a movie, and drag and drop to my vibrant through doubletwist which takes care of the conversion. Although ive noticed none of the videos i download look nearly as good as default Avatar. I dl 1080/720 movies and they always have the very pronounced, large pixels when there is action and bright colors. But Avatar looks great so i guess maybe i could use something other than doubletwist and get a better quality conversion? Because the Vibrant is clearly capable of displaying fast action and huge varieties of colors like in Avatar
That said im ready for HTC/Moto/Samsung to start popping out some high res displays to rival the I4. The Vibrant has a nice screen but put it next to the damn I4 and it looks downright dull. I guess that tiny 3.5" screen next to the Vibrant's perfectly sized 4" display benefits the I4 visually as well...
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don't use doubletwist to put videos on your phone if they are already compatible with the vibrant, like a 720 video, vibrant can handle that..and all I explained was about the vibrant playing back the 720 video without conversion (just dragging and dropping the 720 video to the phone)
you have been playing the wrong movies or using the wrong convesion settings cause my movies look amazing, up to par and sometimes even better than the iphone 4. Have a look at one of my threads and download the video i uploaded (just drag and drop to phone don't use doubletwist or any other conversion method) and you will see what the vibrant screen is capable of.
thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=780155
Thanks. Avatar looks great so I realize movies can look amazing, like you said I'm just doing something wrong. Ill check your link, thanks again
so now that some people have this device, how smooth does the text look? no more pentile pixel layout should mean a gorgeous superb looking screen. my mouth is watering at the thought of OLED pixels without the fuzzy text look of the super amoled screens.
how do web pages look? small text, and text in general? is it really noticeable over the first galaxy s and nexus s screen?
To me it looks great
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does the screen look more pixelated than on the original galaxy s
it should look LESS pixelated than the galaxy s, but i dont know. that's what i'd like to know though.
wish there was some way to show close up smoothness of the screen to others out on the web thru pics or something, but its hard to do. maybe some close up shots?
you can always put a tiny droplet of water on the screen to magnify the pixels and take a pic.
Hi,
I have asked this question in a few other threads as well but I have some gradient issues which however doesn't appear to be a generic issue as I've not seen anyone else complain about it.
Text is as sharp as you would expect a screen of this size to be (I'm coming from the 4" LCD of X10i). Its slightly less sharp than the LCD but nothing unexpected.
Contrast is superb as are the viewing angles!
My display however shows colour banding as you can see in the grey background of the NeuralNet WP snapshot I uploaded (Sorry for the quality, its my X10)
Anyone else with this issue?
let me just dig out my SLR and take a picture of my screen, I too have "banding" but it's no worse than any other LCD/LED screen I've used.
It's certainly not something I can say I've noticed without actually looking for.
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let me just dig out my SLR and take a picture of my screen, I too have "banding" but it's no worse than any other LCD/LED screen I've used.
It's certainly not something I can say I've noticed without actually looking for.
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The banding is much worse than on my old Galaxy Spica (24bit LCD), but the overall screen quality is amazing and I don't notice the banding most of the time.
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The banding is much worse than on my old Galaxy Spica (24bit LCD), but the overall screen quality is amazing and I don't notice the banding most of the time.
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Could it be that people coming from LCD displays are more sensitive to the banding effect?
When I compare the display with my X10i (LCD), the effect is apparent!
Aargh.. the display is so awesome .. why the doggone banding!!!
I played with a SGS2 for 20 minutes today. I was extremely bothered by the pentile on the original, so much that it's one of the main reasons I got rid of it.
Happy to report that there is NO pentile whatsoever on the new version and it looks exactly like a 4.3" 800x480 LCD does, but with SAMOLED Plus colors and contrast Pixels are pixels, like they should be.
I haven't had the Galaxy S, but my girlfriend uses the iphone 4, and I would say the Galaxy S 2 whups the iphone 4 on screen quality ( not resolution ) but over all clarity of images, web pages is alot better ( in my opinion. )
This screen is much better bcause of its real stripe matrix. Compared to a friends iPhone 4 a couple of nights back, particularly in terms of text in the browser. Text on the iPhone is definitely better with its pixel density, but the difference really is not that great at all - he was actually really surprised when I told him the actual resolution, because he thought they looked so close in terms of clarity!
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This screen is much better bcause of its real stripe matrix. Compared to a friends iPhone 4 a couple of nights back, particularly in terms of text in the browser. Text on the iPhone is definitely better with its pixel density, but the difference really is not that great at all - he was actually really surprised when I told him the actual resolution, because he thought they looked so close in terms of clarity!
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The iphone 4 doesnt get colour banding... My SGS II screen looks like its only 16bit colour.....
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The iphone 4 doesnt get colour banding... My SGS II screen looks like its only 16bit colour.....
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I'd bet a lot of money that it IS only 16 bit color right now. Samsungs other amoled screens were only 16 bit color when they came out on the nexus one etc.
I had a Galaxy S and compared them side by side.
There's no question about it - the S II looks ten times better than the original. There's no more of the graininess, and despite the slightly lower pixel density it appears sharper as the fuzzy edges caused by PenTile are gone.
Colours are also smoother since the slight graininess is gone.
I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
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Can you actually see the pixel difference on a 1920x1200 screen over the primes?
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I've counted them (the pixels) and the difference is that the count took two times as long!
But seriously, there is a point when it would be hard to see a difference, where more pixels would NOT really make a clearer screen.
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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Wordlywisewiz said:
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I am sorry that you are having problems with the Prime. However nothing you have said is actually relevant to the conversation that this thread was started with. Please try to keep on-topic, there are plenty of other threads where you can discus your tablet problems.
With regards to pixel density... it very much depends on how you use your Prime. If you read a lot on the Prime and have noticed pixelation in small text, then yes, upping the pixel density would improve your tablet experience. If you mainly watch videos then you probably won't notice the extra pixels on the size of screen that the Prime has.
The exact same debate took place when 1080P TV's came out. People that already bought 720P used the same defenses as to why 1080P TV's are overkill. 80% of high-def TV's sold last year were 1080P. Does anyone not think Apple's going to spend a gazillion dollars convincing the world life as we know will end if you don't have a retina (HD) display? Asus, Acer, and Samsung aren't introducing HD displays because it's practical, it's to combat Apple. How many of you expect your next phone to be qHD or 720P? And its only got a 4-5" display. Whether you personally care or not, tablets with HD displays are going to become the norm (potentially impacting the resale value of those that don't have it).
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Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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How is 1920x1200 = 2k?
And because the prime has that resolution doesn't mean there will be a lot of content using the extra 120 pixels lol.
it will be 1080p content with black bars on top and bottom, no difference in file sizes at all.
I guess it depends. In my opinion its all about what you're used to. For example, i'm used to gaming on a PC. There you use Anti-Aliasing on the games in 1080p, so i'm used to perfectly sharp images without any jagged edges. If I see the same games on a Xbox i always think the graphics are horrible, while most people think there are some amazing looking games on the xbox...
And i used to play Tomb Raider 1 on my old PC in 320x240 on a 15" CRT monitor. That was bad dpi. I still enjoyed it very much
So atm i have a 27" PC/TV combo monitor with 1080p. Thats what my eyes are used to. So my prime looks sharper to me than my PC monitor, and i think my PC monitor is more than sharp enough i hope you see now where i'm getting. I also cant tell the difference in dpi from my 800x480 4.3" phone to the iphone display...
What i'm trying to say, no one needs that kind of resolution. Its just nice to have, and once you got used to it, you probably dont wanna go back. All things aside, I think the Prime's screen is absolutely beautiful.
So if I had to compare 2 devices with different resolution the one very sharp, the other very very sharp I would look on all the other features first.
For example if the TF700T would have like 1 hour less battery life and would be heavier i'd still go for the Prime.
If we're talking RUMOURED ipad 3 resolution, well just think about this. Watching movies in that resolution (you first had to get them somehow, as far as i know all movies are max 1920x1080 today?) would be pretty sharp right. But because of a screen format that hasnt been used anymore since 10 years you will only be using a very small part of that screen to actually watch that movie.
Now everyone has to decide for themselfs, but for me there are FAR FAR more important features than resolution (especially if the difference is barely visable for me).
But people have spent huge amount of money on unuseful tech for lesser reasons
Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Well, it won't have the exact same GPU, and the iPad 2 has a pretty ridiculously powerful PowerVR GPU. However I question Apple's choice to use GPUs that tend to focus on polygon performance instead of fill rate performance particularly when they're looking to dramatically increase screen resolution.
Apple is running out of things to say is best with the iPad / iPhone short of gimmicks like Siri and "retina" displays. They're going to pay for it in other areas though, they're going to need to have a GPU with a killer fill rate, and though the current SGX543MP2 can probably manage, doubtless they'll cram something that eats even more power into the iPad 3.
The thing that most Apple users don't know is that most of the tablet apps they'll be buying off the market won't make use of the high resolution or the processor, as the majority will have been built to run on the now-comparatively-pathetic iPad 1. At least we're seeing THD apps that make use of the additional processing power our tablets have to offer. I've yet to hear of Apple app developers doing the same, though I assume it'll have to happen at some point.
And finally, to answer the question of the OP, I highly doubt there will be any noticeable difference at the distance most of us hold a tablet. It's a little different for the iPhone; with a 3.5 inch screen you have to hold it a lot closer if you're reading text because it's that much smaller. Comparing smartphone display resolution to tablet display resolution is rather pointless as we hold them at different distances from our face depending upon the size of the display and the text / images on the screen.
Holding my TFP at its general 2-foot viewing distance, I'm hard pressed to make out any individual pixels, and my vision is 20/20. I won't be trading in my TFP for an iPad because of of difference in pixel density I may never even notice!
ickkii said:
I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
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I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
Of course you can... but who cares?
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pdanders said:
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Think from what distance you look at your TV. And then think from what distance you look at your tablet. Compare the relative sizes of the devices in your field of view. I use 23 inch screen for movies but I look at it from 50cm - it's bigger then than typical cinema screen (I'm nearsighted so I like it that way).
pdanders said:
I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
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Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly heavily decreased performance (compared to smaller displays)
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly! I think there is not even any 2K media (like cinema films) for end users available.
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet! You won't see that at "movie-distance"
Bragging rights?
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Vcolassi said:
Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
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Now imagine if a TV of those size existed in the 1990s. It would weigh nearly a ton, resolution would be 640x480, and would probably cost about $3,999 dollars since anything over 36 inches was unheard of.
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The difference will be noticeable, but it's up to you whether you care enough to pay another 100 [insert currency here]. Was actually slightly disappointed with the display quality when viewing text on the TFP, but perhaps I'm just being ultra-picky. Can't be bothered to wait another 6 months at this point though.
With the significant drop of SuperAMOLED quality control or just plain bad luck on my end I've decided to call it quits and look at other screen technologies and suffice to say the rumored Tab 11.6 is peaking my interest and probably that device will come with PLS.
I've had a chance to compare the Tab10.1 and Ipad2 but I really didn't do so extensively, I was comparing the TF201 , Ipad2 and Tab7.7 and after a lot of testing I've concluded that SuperAMOLED only offers better blacks, the rest is just a subjective preference like color saturation, even viewing angles are superior on the TF201 and Ipad2.
My primary usage is video playback then web browsing, Im also particular with white tones across all brightness levels and with my current Tab7.7 the white tones at low brightness are just horrible compared to the TF201, Tab10.1 and Ipad2
Anyone with extended experience on the said devices can share their opinions between the PLS on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 vs the IPS on the Ipad2 or TF201?
BUMP for my post, how does the Tab 10.1's screen perform in terms of movie viewing?
EarlZ said:
BUMP for my post, how does the Tab 10.1's screen perform in terms of movie viewing?
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Pretty good when the brightness is turned all the way up, This being on Dice Player @ 255/255, Better contrast and color, I think Bravia engine can be added to enhance the colors.
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Pretty good when the brightness is turned all the way up, This being on Dice Player @ 255/255, Better contrast and color, I think Bravia engine can be added to enhance the colors.
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about 95% of the time I use the device at the bed room, so 0-33% brightness might be up my alley. When you say better contrast and color is that in comparison to the Ipad2 screen ?
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about 95% of the time I use the device at the bed room, so 0-33% brightness might be up my alley. When you say better contrast and color is that in comparison to the Ipad2 screen ?
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I watch a lot of series and some movies on my Tab while in bed and imo it's pretty great (especially when they're 720p ). It's almost always at night so no problems with the sun shining on the screen though. With the sun shining directly on the screen, I doubt you could really enjoy any movie ...
I have my brightness set somewhere between 50-100/255 on Dice Player, depending on the movie and if I have any lights on in the room.
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I watch a lot of series and some movies on my Tab while in bed and imo it's pretty great (especially when they're 720p ). It's almost always at night so no problems with the sun shining on the screen though. With the sun shining directly on the screen, I doubt you could really enjoy any movie ...
I have my brightness set somewhere between 50-100/255 on Dice Player, depending on the movie and if I have any lights on in the room.
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Yeah around daytime it's best on 255 but around night time I keep it to 150 or such, any higher at night is like an alien abduction
Hmm on a superamoled screen i keep it at 46 only. But that doesnt really matter as long as the whites in web pages remain white unlile oled.
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Hmm on a superamoled screen i keep it at 46 only. But that doesnt really matter as long as the whites in web pages remain white unlile oled.
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I've been wondering the same too, On my desktop it shows XDA is creamish/pink but on the tablet it shows that xda is white o.o
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I've been wondering the same too, On my desktop it shows XDA is creamish/pink but on the tablet it shows that xda is white o.o
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Strange, it shows the same color for me both on computer and on the tablet. I *did* have the "white xda" problem in the past though, both on my desktop, laptop and tablet. Thought it had something to do with a faulty .css or something similar though, haven't seen it in a long while now.
What I mean is on low brightness levels the white tones on the SuperAMOLED screen becomes either grainy or may turn into yellowish,pinkish or blueish depending on the the screen you've got. Though movie quality is great I also noticed it makes an actual scene darker crushing detail.. Samsung tried to fix this with a different gamma profile on the Galaxy Note but it ends up giving blocky blacks.
I've come across a store demo unit and sadly I cant transfer over my media files, BT just takes to long and the Tab10.1 has no wifi direct.
Is backlight bleeding a common issue on the pls screen?
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With the significant drop of SuperAMOLED quality control or just plain bad luck on my end I've decided to call it quits and look at other screen technologies and suffice to say the rumored Tab 11.6 is peaking my interest and probably that device will come with PLS.
I've had a chance to compare the Tab10.1 and Ipad2 but I really didn't do so extensively, I was comparing the TF201 , Ipad2 and Tab7.7 and after a lot of testing I've concluded that SuperAMOLED only offers better blacks, the rest is just a subjective preference like color saturation, even viewing angles are superior on the TF201 and Ipad2.
My primary usage is video playback then web browsing, Im also particular with white tones across all brightness levels and with my current Tab7.7 the white tones at low brightness are just horrible compared to the TF201, Tab10.1 and Ipad2
Anyone with extended experience on the said devices can share their opinions between the PLS on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 vs the IPS on the Ipad2 or TF201?
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PLS is plane line switching where as ips is in plane switching. The only difference between the Displays is the light thourough put is higher in Pls that ips hence the more vibrant colors and brighter backlight
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Anyone else concerned about the quality of the screen , the dpi seems low for the screen resolution. Is it up there with the OLED screen on the latest Samsung tablet? Reviews i've seen are very vague
~Hawk
Im not concerned at all
How so? 4:3 ratio is also a bit odd for an android tablet
What i have watched and read the screen is very very nice, strong rich colours very sharp! Don't be fooled by the dpi. Remember its alsmost a nine inch display!
Do you have any links to the reviews?
Schannel - Hands on Nexus 9 - The first video on …: http://youtu.be/wo1XD32zT1I
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Anyone else concerned about the quality of the screen , the dpi seems low for the screen resolution. Is it up there with the OLED screen on the latest Samsung tablet? Reviews i've seen are very vague
~Hawk
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It is the same resolution and type of screen (IPS LCD) as the ipad 3rd and 4th gen, and they are called "retina display". On top of that, the N9 has a smaller screen so an even greater ppi. Just go and read review of the ipad 3/4 and you will see how great the display was rated.
Backlight bleed and washed out colors on N7 (2012), N7 FHD, iPad Air was tolerable until I got a Tab S, now it's impossible to enjoy those IPS screens nearly as much.
Then there's the low DPI. Disappointing, probably still getting one to replace my aging Nexus 10.
Screen is going to be just great trust me! Remember this is a 9 inch display with 2.5k resolution 281/287dpi . review says bright, great colours, sharp and crisp.
So please don't worry!!!
MRobbo80 said:
Screen is going to be just great trust me! Remember this is a 9 inch display with 2.5k resolution 281/287dpi . review says bright, great colours, sharp and crisp.
So please don't worry!!!
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I was never worried lol
coming from a Nexus 7 2012 that screen will look like a dream
Lol I sold my note 3 to fund my nexus 9, I am using my 6 years old daughter nexus 7 at the moment. She added a few features of her own to the screen, jam! Well that what it looks like, screen is thick with some sort of old residue? (Sneeze} oooo
So yeah what a massive upgrade lol
For tablet you don't need higher dpi. You dont use tablet like phone, not so close to face. So all is good
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Schannel - Hands on Nexus 9 - The first video on …: http://youtu.be/wo1XD32zT1I
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Can't see the video...had to sign in
Sorry mate!