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Hi razr guys!
I'm kinda confused right now because of the bootloader locked.
I'm asking myself if i should exchange my RAZR for a NEXUS
i watch few comparaison between both, and ok nexus have native ICS and will for sure upgraded first if a new android version is released.
Now the right question is, Does the locked bootloader of my RAZR is enough to change it?
If i take a deep breath and think, i found the RAZR way much sexy than NEXUS, performance are similar, camera is better, screen resolution is lower.
But hey, we already have ICS even with the locked bootloader, and 2 custom rom on Gingerbread.
And i heard many bug about strenght signal on the nexus.
That's why i'm confused and i'd like to have your opinion on this question.
I really hope motorola will unlock our bootloader, but if they dont is a good reason to throw my razr away?
Thanks!
If modding is more important to you and you are obsessed with an unlocked bootloader, then yes by all means you should "go"
If I could I would go. Motorola is not a company that I want to be associated with.
Amatuer flasher here. Considering coming to Razr Maxx by exchanging my Nexus. Battery life is bothering me. ICS not that different/impressive.
Seems like with a locked bootloader on the Razr, you can still root, flash, etc... What are you missing out on with a locked bootloader?
Thanks for indulging the noob questions...
rfeagan said:
Amatuer flasher here. Considering coming to Razr Maxx by exchanging my Nexus. Battery life is bothering me. ICS not that different/impressive.
Seems like with a locked bootloader on the Razr, you can still root, flash, etc... What are you missing out on with a locked bootloader?
Thanks for indulging the noob questions...
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The core thing isnt that the Phone, the Razr is bad without the locked BL. It wasnt the only argument for me to buy actually. But the way which is Motorola is going is the actually Problem which I see. For me Moto is dead and I will never buy any Product from them again ... Each other but none Motorola
I will wait 1 or 2 weeks.
Friend leave the waiting is the galaxy 3 thu esto i hope
sevenup30 said:
Hi razr guys!
I'm kinda confused right now because of the bootloader locked.
I'm asking myself if i should exchange my RAZR for a NEXUS
i watch few comparaison between both, and ok nexus have native ICS and will for sure upgraded first if a new android version is released.
Now the right question is, Does the locked bootloader of my RAZR is enough to change it?
If i take a deep breath and think, i found the RAZR way much sexy than NEXUS, performance are similar, camera is better, screen resolution is lower.
But hey, we already have ICS even with the locked bootloader, and 2 custom rom on Gingerbread.
And i heard many bug about strenght signal on the nexus.
That's why i'm confused and i'd like to have your opinion on this question.
I really hope motorola will unlock our bootloader, but if they dont is a good reason to throw my razr away?
Thanks!
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I agree with others on this thread.
If you are hardcore about thoroughly customized ROMs and such, then a google experience device is the way to go.
But if you like solid build quality, performance, and long-lasting battery life - then the Maxx is just the thing for you.
Out of all the Motorola products I've owned, I contemplated between the RAZR Maxx, HTC Rezound, and the Galaxy Nexus. Spent two minutes with the Nexus and dropped it like a hot potato. Eventually made up my mind to go with the Maxx, and I'm thoroughly satisfied.
Motorola's UI has improved, and performance on the Maxx is very good. You can still root, remove bloatware and such - but with the locked bootloader, you're stuck with the kernel provided by Moto's software. It cuts down on the extent of modifications that can be made, but in the end - its your choice.
If you decide to go with the Nexus, I would heavily suggest waiting a bit, because there is suppose to be an updated "2.0" sorta-speak coming out soon. The current Nexus has its perks, but the radios aren't up to quality of Motorola and HTC.
I had the galaxy nexus and now have the maxx. I dropped calls and battery life was horrid on the gnex. I love ICS but also love battery life. The only reason I rooted the nexus was to get better battery life and faster 3-4g handoff. These are things I don't have to worry about with the maxx. Plus, I don't have any battery saver things on my maxx and last two whole days with it. On LTE the entire time. It's amazing and will be even better with ICS.
I have currently a sgs2 i9100 with ics, a tmobile sgs2 and my razr and to tell you the truth i use my razr way more than the other two. Sure i would love ics in my razr, but i can wait it will come. Im running frazers 2.4 rom and its just speedy as hell so the bootloader thing is not getting to me as much as others and i am a hardcore copulsive flasher!! But theres no way i would give up my razr just so i can flash. I would rather pony up the extra cash and by the gnex too to cure my flashing habit, but by no means i would trade it. To me the razr is superior in reception, not to mention is the best freaking phone ive used for wifi tethering, i play ps3 without a single disconnect and i dont have the LTE version. Battery life is ok, on par with my other phones, screen is beautifull, no complaints here, spec wise the razr has an sd slot(cant live without it), camera is ok, not great but ok, cant complain about pictures taken, build quality on razr is top notch, the best ive owned, call quality and speaker sound quality are also top notch. For me the razr trully is probably the only real smartphone masterpiece that motorola has developed even if it has a locked bootloader.
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I have both Original Razr and GNex now, GNex is way better.
1. Regarding Radio, everyone says the Moto radio is better, and I have the doubts.
I have both Razr and GNex laying at the same position at same time and press speedtest at same time. Testing like this for 20 times.
GNex's 4G speed beat Razr every time of this 20 tests. even displaying 1 bar in 4G while Razr displaying 3 bars.
I feel that it is a "tricky" in measuring the bars that give you the false connectivity. I do had many times when Razr showed 3 bars but the data did not kick in at all.
2. Regarding Battery. Yes, GNex can never beat Razr Maxx in this category. But easily beating Razr. The trick? custom kernel. On Fransco Kernel 15.1 and the phone is awesome. It costs 1% over night of 7 hours!!! Repeat after me, 1% overnight of 7 hours. of course no airplane mode etc.
3. Regarding build quality.
The immediate impression was Razr is way too sexy. But hey, it is a dust sucker. I have seen so much dust in the top of the screen where Motorola logo is (ironically!) and at the side bezel of the screen.
Yes, the Kelvar back is awesome. No competition of that, especially the back of GNex is push-ed on style.
But GNex has a removable battery.
These two were equal in my house, BEFORE MOTOROLA's recent bomb news.
So Now I am leaning to GNex.
Had a razr, loved it. Then I exchanged it for the nexus. I had the nexus for three days. After three days I returned the nexus and got my razr back. For me the razr had more pros going for it than the nexus. I can honestly say the razr is the best device I have ever owned.
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I have owned the Nexus and the Rezound. Now I am using the Razr Maxx and I love it. It is much faster than either the Nexus or the Rezound! I have been a HTC Sense lover for quite some time now but with the Razr Maxx I feel satisfied for the first time. Hopefully it will save me money in the long run!
Reimerj
I love the razr. Its really fast and I love how thin it is. Even with the locked boot loader you can still have some great custom roms.
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thanks for your feedback, now i'm more confused than before lol
i'm a flashmaniacs, my past desire hd could confirm you ^^. but i made a mistake in the past, i had a transformer and asus locked the bootloader, so i sold it because i was angry and a month after, some devs managed to unlock it, and now i have an A100(it's a good tablet but not like the transformer and with a locked bootloader also -_-)
as jiwengang said, the nexus have removable battery and custom kernel which increase battery life and performance i guess.But it doesn't have micro sd.
I'd love to have razr MAXX too, but i just bought the razr and the maxx isn't available in france. I'll try to test the nexus and make my own opinion (i thought about the NOTE but the big thing afraid me ).
Well i don't know if you say that in english, but in french i would say:
I have my ass between two chairs!
Lots of good insights here. Thanks everyone.
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A lot of times if you are asking the question then you have your answer.
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So I've had my Droid Incredible since it came out and loved it. I was eligible for a new phone a few weeks ago but wasn't quite ready. Today I figured out my accelerometer died and it's annoying me to death. So I'm going to take the plunge. I'm currently with Verizon, so it'd have to be a Verizon phone. I don't want anything with a slide out keyboard. Other than that, I'm open to suggestions. My first thoughts were:
Samsung Galaxy Nexus
LG Spectrum
Droid RAZR
Now, the other question I have is, should I stick it out for something coming next month like the Droid Incredible 4G, GSIII, or *prays* the ASUS Padfone?
I would wait for new wave of phones if I were you.maybe better performance dualcore phones with big battery and cool new screen tech.Iam sure Verizon will get some badboyz soon.
Ps;get something with icecream sandwich out of box.waiting is killing me
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If you are into flashing ROMs and modding then you are going to want the Nexus since its a Nexus. The Razr is a nice phone hardware wise but it comes with Motorola's locked bootloader and delayed ICS.
I've had the first galaxy since it came out and its awesome! Its obviously a really old device so it doesnt handle somethings too well, but i still love it.
Im super stoked for the galaxy 3. I would suggest getting that phone!
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If you are into flashing ROMs and modding then you are going to want the Nexus since its a Nexus. The Razr is a nice phone hardware wise but it comes with Motorola's locked bootloader and delayed ICS.
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Good point. Forgot about Motorola's locked bootloaders.
i have the spectrum and i love it... its fast no lagging... battery life for my dad which is about normal usage is about 16 hours...
it has been rooted.. and it has clockworkmod.. but if you plan on using custom roms this is not the phone to choose... we had 1 dev working on cm7 and today he posted that he was giving up because he cant get it to flash properly..
if you have the money for it i would choose the galaxy nexus.... the nexus devices have more dev support than any other phones
Well i would say that if you cant wait and have to make choice from Samsung Galaxy Nexus,LG Spectrum,Droid RAZR then choose Nexus....but if you can wait then go for S3 .....I am hoping the Galaxy S3 when it finally comes will bring the best of the Galaxy S range along with Android 4.0 ICS.
What was that phone where you had absolutely no problems with the phone?
Bootloader was unlocked, the phone was powerful, there was timely software updates, and the manufacturer communicated well with its customers.
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Galaxy S II. And, of course, the HD2, but that's a once in a lifetime thing.
Also the Nexus One.
If we're stretching beyond phones, the ASUS Transformer trumps them all.
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Yeah I've heard really good things about the SG2, unfortunately this is my first smart phone. It turned me into an android enthusiast right away!
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I've only owned 4 android phones: HTC Desire Z (built quality was ****, the keyboard was loose so I sold it right away and the screen was awful), ZTE Blade (best phone for it's price, not the best hardware but for the price 99€ it was a bargain, full of custom rom's etc) Samsung Galaxy S (probably the one I was most satisfied with but also here the built quality was awful and 512mb ram is simply not enough anymore, many custom roms and great community) and now the RAZR. If the RAZR get's unlocked bootloader, it will be a beast. I like everything about it, the thickness, camera, no problems with the screen etc. Only missing is the unlocked BL and more custom roms which I suppose will follow when we can run unsigned kernels.
So to summarize it: Both SGS and ZTE Blade was the phones I was most satisfied with, but the RAZR is the best phone I have owned both built quality wise and hardware wise. Just missing the ICS and unlocked BL.
The best experience I've had has been with the Xoom. Trouble free (never had so much as a reboot and I use it daily), first up for Android updates, rock solid built quality, unprecedented port selection, and tremendous battery life.
Runner up is my old HTC Incredible, which I kept for the entire contract duration before moving on. For its time, the hardware was great, the screen was crisp (I had the original AMOLED model), and the community was strong. It had some issues with very limited app space (and its error handling system for that was impossibly vague) and the battery life was crap, but I dealt with it.
The worst experiences I've had have been with Samsungs, particularly the Charge. It's the main reason I took a pass on the Galaxy Nexus despite the appearance of being an excellent phone on paper. YMMV.
My HTC evo was arguably the best phone I have owned as far as being 100% free. Great development. Couldn't brick the thing lol.
My razr. The locked bootloader isn't that important to me. Motos build quality can't be matched. I have had Motorola phones since the OG droid and have never had a serious issue with any of them.
To date my razr is the bedt phone ive ever had , no question.
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The best so far for me is Motorola with my razr maxx and the OG droid.
Next would be Acer with the acer aspire laptop i got from the a few years back and now the A500.
And lastly HTC. Not bad quality, the Sensation just feels not as ... solid.
Having had close to 30 phones in the past 11 years I can BEST MANLUFACTURER DOES NOT EXIST.
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My HTC evo was arguably the best phone I have owned as far as being 100% free. Great development. Couldn't brick the thing lol.
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Loved my evo. Might terminate my contract so I can go back to sprint for the next evo. Looks amazing!
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Having owned all the big name brands, HTC, Samsung, and Moto I have to say, regardless of the locked BL's that Moto has the best radios and build quality. Their phones also feel the most robust.
ZTE Blade was the phone with best price/performance ratio I ever owned. If it had a faster processor, I'd still be using it. Just an awesome phone.
Yes, we now have root. But...
1. We still don't have ROMs cooked as per the chefs/devs choice
2. We don't have (official) ICS yet,
3. The activity is less in the ROM section as compared to other phones, except for a couple of ICS ROMs tweaked here and there.
I don't know and I am asking, do we have a bootloader unlocked yet? If not, then it's point number 4.
I agree the phone is fairly new, but not like its getting younger by the day.
Quad-Core phones are already here, and companies slowly phasing out Dual-Cores. Now where do we go from here.
I am just trying to understand if I have made an investment or a mistake.
The question is, do we realy need an Quad-Core in our Phones or is just the industrie telling us, that we need a Quad in our Phones...
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That's not the point. The point is, will we see good Devs/Chefs working on ROMs or not, porting various devices' UI?
I see some good Devs working for the RazR @ the Moment.
Just relax and see, what's coming with the official ICS...
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No one is phasing out dual core processors. Yes, there are some quad cores. Yes, there will be more. But you don't need 4 cores for a good phone experience unless you're a hardcore gamer. And frankly, if you're a hardcore gamer, why are you using a phone?
The Nokia Lumia 900 uses a single core processor and it runs WP7 silky smooth. Of course a dual core will perform better when you're multitasking, but 4 cores is a bit much.
There's plenty of life left in the Razr. I think, at this point, we're all waiting for the official ICS release slated for later this month. I expect a flurry of activity once it's out in the wild.
Fingers crossed and hopes high. I really wanted to flash ROMs from different devices and push the phone to its limits.
And I agree, lets just wait and watch.
Its like having a quadcore pc when the only thing you use it for is internet browsing
the main thing that makes me want to upgrade/change my mobile phones is the battery life not how many cpu cores that will drain the battery even faster
If anything the Razr maxx is the best phone on the market and will be for 2012 it will still beat the Samsung Galaxy S3 for battery life and iphone5 will just be another shiny **** that breaks when you drop it
Im planning on either trading my Razr in for razr maxx or upgrading the battery with the kits available
Iv had almost every high end mobile on the market and im happy with the Razr
I am selling my htc one x as ui is laggy, battery lasts just a day depending on how much the screen is used. Its quad core... you'd never know. The only thing ill miss is the screen.
I just bought my razr as the build and materials feels great, the ui is fast with no lag, the speaker is loud. Looking forward to the laptop dock with ics.
Dont get hung up on quad core... the razr is much faster for every day use.
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Its all about the boot loader, until it is bypassed/unlocked any custom rom has to be built atop the stock kernel. My advice is to donate and encourage the devs already trying to bypass it and find other devs that have already done it on similar phones and offer donations or start a fund to equip the dev with a razr to work on, whatever's needed to further the cause. Once we can boot custom kernels, cm7/cm9, miui,whatever ...will all follow.
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trickyhenry said:
I am selling my htc one x as ui is laggy, battery lasts just a day depending on how much the screen is used. Its quad core... you'd never know. The only thing ill miss is the screen.
I just bought my razr as the build and materials feels great, the ui is fast with no lag, the speaker is loud. Looking forward to the laptop dock with ics.
Dont get hung up on quad core... the razr is much faster for every day use.
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Again guys, I am not talking about Quad-core vs Dual core. I am talking about the dev of this phone irrespective of the no. of cores in the phone.
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Its all about the boot loader, until it is bypassed/unlocked any custom rom has to be built atop the stock kernel. My advice is to donate and encourage the devs already trying to bypass it and find other devs that have already done it on similar phones and offer donations or start a fund to equip the dev with a razr to work on, whatever's needed to further the cause. Once we can boot custom kernels, cm7/cm9, miui,whatever ...will all follow.
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Now that makes sense. So zeroing down on the issue, it is the bootloader. But may I ask, my father has a Sony Ericsson X10 and the phone is very much rooted, BUT the bootloader isn't unlocked. But I was still able to flash a cool Xperia S ROM on it...so how come the bootloader allowed??
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That's not the point. The point is, will we see good Devs/Chefs working on ROMs or not, porting various devices' UI?
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Why buy a RAZR if you just want some other devices UI on it?
Work on these phones is being done but just because it's not happening as fast as people want it to, doesn't mean it's not happening. ICS will come soon enough and devs are currently working on ROMs built from the ICS leaks.
DHacker from droidhive.com and hash are currently working on getting AOKP running fully on the .84 leak.
Stuff is happening, it's just that devs aren't posting every little thing they do.
Lol no one needs a quad-core processor. I've just moved from my old N900 to the XT910 and let me tell you, this is phone is just fast... Everything is smooth even gaming, browsing and listening to music all at the same time.
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Again guys, I am not talking about Quad-core vs Dual core. I am talking about the dev of this phone irrespective of the no. of cores in the phone.
Now that makes sense. So zeroing down on the issue, it is the bootloader. But may I ask, my father has a Sony Ericsson X10 and the phone is very much rooted, BUT the bootloader isn't unlocked. But I was still able to flash a cool Xperia S ROM on it...so how come the bootloader allowed??
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I dont know much about sony phones, it could be a bootloader bypass, or the kernels could be similar enough that its tweaked to boot up like hashcodes safestrap enables us to boot custom roms, but with the limitation of having to work around the stock kernel.
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Why buy a RAZR if you just want some other devices UI on it?
Work on these phones is being done but just because it's not happening as fast as people want it to, doesn't mean it's not happening. ICS will come soon enough and devs are currently working on ROMs built from the ICS leaks.
DHacker from droidhive.com and hash are currently working on getting AOKP running fully on the .84 leak.
Stuff is happening, it's just that devs aren't posting every little thing they do.
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Now, what I meant was, I get to choose the flavour of my Android, Sense or Blur etc...I meant anything I want and not stuck to one..that's y we have Android and not iPhone right?
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circleofomega said:
Now, what I meant was, I get to choose the flavour of my Android, Sense or Blur etc...I meant anything I want and not stuck to one..that's y we have Android and not iPhone right?
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If you don't want to run one of the roms mentioned ( you'll find more on droidhive than xda). With root you can freeze the bloat ware and run a 3rd party launcher, ie adw, go launcher, launcher pro plus, etc.
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Honestly I didn't buy my RAZR maxx to heavily mod. I spent 3 years w android and got burnt out. I bought my maxx because I felt that Motorola build quality and decent specs would quench my thirst. I did however try the .75 ics leak and was very impressed. I have root access on the stock .181 I am currently on and really don't use anything root.
All this being said, the RAZR is just like all the moto phones that came after the og DROID. It is and will forever be locked until Motorola frees it. No one has cracked them. No one is going to. People are supposedly getting close but all sorts of bugs. If moto unlocks then it will be smooth and work perfect. But it hasn't happened yet and with the possibility of the government contract w moto to supply phones for them...there is no way its getting free.
So, not to be rude, but you are fighting a losing battle. You are not a dev. You are a consumer like myself. If you want a flashaholic phone, grab a nexus. They have a working theme engine now w cm9 and its looking pretty fresh. I will stick w this RAZR because once It gets official ics I will not need root. Disabling apps freezes them. I can take screenshots. Have a phone that lasts all day and never reboots. Screws up. Acts crazy. Drops calls. Gets great data speeds and knocks **** out.
So become a dev and do the impossible that has been getting worked on for years...or get over it, enjoy a great phone, or sell that bish and get what fits your needs.
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Honestly I didn't buy my RAZR maxx to heavily mod. I spent 3 years w android and got burnt out. I bought my maxx because I felt that Motorola build quality and decent specs would quench my thirst. I did however try the .75 ics leak and was very impressed. I have root access on the stock .181 I am currently on and really don't use anything root.
All this being said, the RAZR is just like all the moto phones that came after the og DROID. It is and will forever be locked until Motorola frees it. No one has cracked them. No one is going to. People are supposedly getting close but all sorts of bugs. If moto unlocks then it will be smooth and work perfect. But it hasn't happened yet and with the possibility of the government contract w moto to supply phones for them...there is no way its getting free.
So, not to be rude, but you are fighting a losing battle. You are not a dev. You are a consumer like myself. If you want a flashaholic phone, grab a nexus. They have a working theme engine now w cm9 and its looking pretty fresh. I will stick w this RAZR because once It gets official ics I will not need root. Disabling apps freezes them. I can take screenshots. Have a phone that lasts all day and never reboots. Screws up. Acts crazy. Drops calls. Gets great data speeds and knocks **** out.
So become a dev and do the impossible that has been getting worked on for years...or get over it, enjoy a great phone, or sell that bish and get what fits your needs.
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With a bootloader bypass, which has been done recently on other moto phones, and with moto being legally obliged to release a significant amount of there source code under the gpl license, its only a matter of time before we have as almost as much if not all the freedom of a Nexus
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That would be great but I am not getting my hopes up. Its compliance. That's kinda like some of the old laws like having a mustache in certain parts of Texas can get you arrested. Gpl clearly doesn't care or else these companies would be forced to comply...which hasn't happened. They comply when they feel like it
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Honestly I didn't buy my RAZR maxx to heavily mod. I spent 3 years w android and got burnt out. I bought my maxx because I felt that Motorola build quality and decent specs would quench my thirst. I did however try the .75 ics leak and was very impressed. I have root access on the stock .181 I am currently on and really don't use anything root.
All this being said, the RAZR is just like all the moto phones that came after the og DROID. It is and will forever be locked until Motorola frees it. No one has cracked them. No one is going to. People are supposedly getting close but all sorts of bugs. If moto unlocks then it will be smooth and work perfect. But it hasn't happened yet and with the possibility of the government contract w moto to supply phones for them...there is no way its getting free.
So, not to be rude, but you are fighting a losing battle. You are not a dev. You are a consumer like myself. If you want a flashaholic phone, grab a nexus. They have a working theme engine now w cm9 and its looking pretty fresh. I will stick w this RAZR because once It gets official ics I will not need root. Disabling apps freezes them. I can take screenshots. Have a phone that lasts all day and never reboots. Screws up. Acts crazy. Drops calls. Gets great data speeds and knocks **** out.
So become a dev and do the impossible that has been getting worked on for years...or get over it, enjoy a great phone, or sell that bish and get what fits your needs.
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How can I disagree. You are absolutely right. I'm not a Dev but a consumer and now am seriously doubting my decision. don't get me wrong people but I love thus phone. Its the best Android money could buy when I got it but what beyond this? And u have succinctly said it, nowhere. Its a sad day.
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With a bootloader bypass, which has been done recently on other moto phones, and with moto being legally obliged to release a significant amount of there source code under the gpl license, its only a matter of time before we have as almost as much if not all the freedom of a Nexus
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I may not be as positive as you my friend but am surely not selling my phone for a whole now. Its beautiful full and surely has the potential. So am gonna wait.
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Hey everyone,
I'm currently rocking a SGS2 i9100 International edition and 'm just getting tired of the battery life or lack there off. I love the tons of ROMs but to be honest I'm getting tired of the lack of stability and battery life. I just want a stable setup, great reception, pretty good camera and most importantly BATTERY LIFE!!
Most i9100 extended batteries are soo small and all the large ones end up being some cheapie far east crap that has a much lower rating.
So here are my Questions for you guys (I will also search the forums for answers)
How awesome is the battery for light-medium users?
Is the boot loader thing still an issue?
Can the phone be rooted/s-offed or whatever the term is for the RAZR?
How is the ROM support for ICS? Is GB better?
Is there a lot of development for this phone still or do you guys notice it's waning?
How's the camera/video on the phone?
How's the reception for calls and speakers? (I find my old Moto Razr V3 to still have better reception than my SGS2 and better sound too)
How's the accessories market for these?
Any flaws, issues, comments and advice concerning this phone?
Thanks for any help possible!
*goes to search the forum as well.
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Thanks for any help possible!
*goes to search the forum as well.
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I sold my beloved GSM Galaxy Nexus for this phone. I loved the Nexus and Jelly Bean, stock, etc, but grew tired of toting two batteries with me. That and grew tired of low audio on ringers and the speakerphone. The GSM RAZR MAXX has totally fixed these issues and I've found ICS to be perfectly fine for daily use. JB is great and all, but the phone hardware, call quality, and battery life have made be a believer.
In short, I don't miss stock Google and my GNEX at all. Buy one.
[*] How awesome is the battery for light-medium users?
Easily cruises through an entire day with heavy use.
[*] Is the boot loader thing still an issue?
I don't know since I only flashed an ICS leak. I'm not into the ROM scene any more (maybe I grew up?). ICS stock is perfectly fine.
[*] Can the phone be rooted/s-offed or whatever the term is for the RAZR?
See above.
[*] How is the ROM support for ICS? Is GB better?
ICS stock is great. GB feels very old, so flash ICS on day one.
[*] Is there a lot of development for this phone still or do you guys notice it's waning?
Don't care at this point.
[*] How's the camera/video on the phone?
Typical phone quality. Ok for snapshots, not for billboard size photos and wedding photos.
[*] How's the reception for calls and speakers? (I find my old Moto Razr V3 to still have better reception than my SGS2 and better sound too)
Incredible. I get 4 bars in my basement and no dropped calls. On my GSM GNEX, I had 0/1 bar and dropped calls like crazy. The "sidetone" on Motorolas is awesome (ala home phones).
[*] How's the accessories market for these?
Ok I guess. Pick up a navigation dock for around $30 and an Atrix Webtop for ~$60. Accessories are cheap because its not the hot sexy new phone any more.
[*] Any flaws, issues, comments and advice concerning this phone?
None that I see.
See that's perfect. I too am getting tired of all these SGS2 roms and their inherit flaws/stability. I'm over ROms too because I've outgrown it. I just want a fully unlocked phone so that I don't have any limitation.
djpharoah said:
See that's perfect. I too am getting tired of all these SGS2 roms and their inherit flaws/stability. I'm over ROms too because I've outgrown it. I just want a fully unlocked phone so that I don't have any limitation.
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That's the thing I agree with you. My brother still has his sgs i9000 and its driving me nuts with ****ed up roms and unstable ****. I am glad I got rid of mine
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That's the thing I agree with you. My brother still has his sgs i9000 and its driving me nuts with ****ed up roms and unstable ****. I am glad I got rid of mine
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Yeah - I'm still looking for a MAXX but it's seemingly hard to find one. Anyone else got any advice?
Have a look at the official Battery Extender pack from Samsung for its Samsung Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus keeps it nice looks and has a big battery. Just like the razr maxx.
The hardware of the GNex is superior (better camera (note that this means 8 mpx > 5 mpx Oh, and by the way: 5 mpx Pictures are smaller than 8 mpx pictures, that's why they can be saved faster), bigger display, battery replaceable) and most importantly:
The software isn't bloated, old, slow or locked.
I own a Motorola Razr right now and it has very nice hardware. It looks awesome (especially in white) and isn't that expensive.
But the software... Dear god... bloated, locked, old, way too late updates from Motorola (only for US customers on time and even they had to wait for a long time), no custom roms (with some tools they are possible, but there are always some essential issues with those workarounds).
As I received my regular razr, I was pretty happy, it was fast (was GB 2.3, ICS is fast too if you unbloat it(!)), it has nice battery life (about 5-8 hours with very heavy usage and I'm talking about the regular razr, so the maxx has to be amazing) and that's why I started to think about a razr maxx. Battery life? Sure I want that!
But I will sell my razr, get a Nexus and will have nearly the same features as a razr maxx has. This will cost me some bucks more, but I will get updates way faster and longer. If google stops support for the Nexus, the unlocked bootloader will allow to install newer custom roms and therefore the latest android version. With Motorola, this is NOT the case. If Motorola says 4.0.4 was the last update, you're stuck with 4.0.4 forever or you use tools to work around these locks. But the issues raised by those tools and workarounds, destroy the hardware superiority of the razr next to other devices (you get less RAM that you really have, blame Moto!)... So... why a razr then?
- old software
- late updates and you're stuck with what you get
- bloated with so much software preinstalled and consuming precious RAM (can only be removed with root aka. tinkering with your phone for eventually a long time)
- bad camera (there is even a thread about this topic on here somewhere)
- with the latest ICS update even the webtop got removed and replaced by a standard ICS tablet mode UI (which is to be honest very good IMHO - but that's not a webtop anymore (as they advertised it), so that feature got taken (remember, you get what Motorola gives you with this phone)
tl;dr: Do NOT get a razr (maxx) and look for something like a google experience phone (e.g. GNexus). I am a razr owner and STRONGLY recommend to get another phone (because of the software - which is a shame, blame Moto).
EDIT: I have to be fair and add: GB and ICS from Motorola were and are very stable. I get very long uptimes with my razr. But again: It's slow if you don't mess with it. And if somebody says it's not slow: It's also not as fast as it could be, not as battery saving as it could be, so the bloat DEFINITELY disturbs the performance of the razr.
hihipunkt said:
Have a look at the official Battery Extender pack from Samsung for its Samsung Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus keeps it nice looks and has a big battery. Just like the razr maxx.
The hardware of the GNex is superior (better camera (note that this means 8 mpx > 5 mpx Oh, and by the way: 5 mpx Pictures are smaller than 8 mpx pictures, that's why they can be saved faster), bigger display, battery replaceable) and most importantly:
The software isn't bloated, old, slow or locked.
I own a Motorola Razr right now and it has very nice hardware. It looks awesome (especially in white) and isn't that expensive.
But the software... Dear god... bloated, locked, old, way too late updates from Motorola (only for US customers on time and even they had to wait for a long time), no custom roms (with some tools they are possible, but there are always some essential issues with those workarounds).
As I received my regular razr, I was pretty happy, it was fast (was GB 2.3, ICS is fast too if you unbloat it(!)), it has nice battery life (about 5-8 hours with very heavy usage and I'm talking about the regular razr, so the maxx has to be amazing) and that's why I started to think about a razr maxx. Battery life? Sure I want that!
But I will sell my razr, get a Nexus and will have nearly the same features as a razr maxx has. This will cost me some bucks more, but I will get updates way faster and longer. If google stops support for the Nexus, the unlocked bootloader will allow to install newer custom roms and therefore the latest android version. With Motorola, this is NOT the case. If Motorola says 4.0.4 was the last update, you're stuck with 4.0.4 forever or you use tools to work around these locks. But the issues raised by those tools and workarounds, destroy the hardware superiority of the razr next to other devices (you get less RAM that you really have, blame Moto!)... So... why a razr then?
- old software
- late updates and you're stuck with what you get
- bloated with so much software preinstalled and consuming precious RAM (can only be removed with root aka. tinkering with your phone for eventually a long time)
- bad camera (there is even a thread about this topic on here somewhere)
- with the latest ICS update even the webtop got removed and replaced by a standard ICS tablet mode UI (which is to be honest very good IMHO - but that's not a webtop anymore (as they advertised it), so that feature got taken (remember, you get what Motorola gives you with this phone)
tl;dr: Do NOT get a razr (maxx) and look for something like a google experience phone (e.g. GNexus). I am a razr owner and STRONGLY recommend to get another phone (because of the software - which is a shame, blame Moto).
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Thanks for the super insightful reply. That's what I wanted to hear. I will look into the GNEX.
Well I sold my GSM GNEX for the GSM RAZR MAXX, so yeah. Software is key, but not if you are changing batteries by 4pm.
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Well I sold my GSM GNEX for the GSM RAZR MAXX, so yeah. Software is key, but not if you are changing batteries by 4pm.
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True true. I'm also looking to try some new hardware and see how the reception is better with the razr.
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Well I sold my GSM GNEX for the GSM RAZR MAXX, so yeah. Software is key, but not if you are changing batteries by 4pm.
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That's why I already linked the battery extension from Samsung itself. The razr maxx will eventually still have a bigger battery than the GNex, but maybe the big pack from Samsung will already be big enough for djpharoah.
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True true. I'm also looking to try some new hardware and see how the reception is better with the razr.
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To the reception:
3G and 2G (I'm talking about the EU GSM version) reception is very good, better than most other smartphones I know of or owned.
WiFi reception is okay. It is okay if you don't cover the lower right corner of the razr. If you cover it (e.g. holding it only in the right hand in vertical mode), the reception get's very bad - another thing that deeply disappointed me. I had good reception with my earlier phones (Palm Pre and LG Optimus 2x) when I stood in front of my house. With the razr, I don't get any signal, especially if I'm holding it in my right hand. Sometimes I get disconnects IN the house (never happened before). But I have to say, that this didn't bother me so much. Google this topic, you'll see that I'm not the only one experiencing this problem.
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That's why I already linked the battery extension from Samsung itself. The razr maxx will eventually still have a bigger battery than the GNex, but maybe the big pack from Samsung will already be big enough for djpharoah.
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That extended battery is a small bump in mAh and really only provides a slight advantage over the stock battery. Yes, it's better, but not close to double as is the MAXX battery.
But I'm not arguing my point (not my intent). The GNEX is a fine phone, but that extended battery won't work miracles. It's a marginal improvement in reality. You are better off carrying a spare original battery in your pocket (as I did when I had my GNEX). It's mildly annoying but will get you through a day of normal (not heavy) use. The extended battery will require a second for all day use anyway, so there's that.
...and the extended battery will only fit the Verizon GNEX (I am assuming the OP has Verizon?). On that note, the Verizon GNEX is really bad vs. the GSM version. Poor connectivity, terrible battery (compared to the GSM GNEX) just to start.
But what do I know? I have AT&T. Guess I've just read enough complaints about the CDMA GNEX vs. the RAZR MAXX to have the opinion that the RAZR is the better device.
Edit: I see the OP's title (GSM), so no Verizon GNEX. The extended battery you linked will not work with the GSM GNEX.
hihipunkt said:
Have a look at the official Battery Extender pack from Samsung for its Samsung Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus keeps it nice looks and has a big battery. Just like the razr maxx.
The hardware of the GNex is superior (better camera (note that this means 8 mpx > 5 mpx Oh, and by the way: 5 mpx Pictures are smaller than 8 mpx pictures, that's why they can be saved faster), bigger display, battery replaceable) and most importantly:
The software isn't bloated, old, slow or locked.
I own a Motorola Razr right now and it has very nice hardware. It looks awesome (especially in white) and isn't that expensive.
But the software... Dear god... bloated, locked, old, way too late updates from Motorola (only for US customers on time and even they had to wait for a long time), no custom roms (with some tools they are possible, but there are always some essential issues with those workarounds).
As I received my regular razr, I was pretty happy, it was fast (was GB 2.3, ICS is fast too if you unbloat it(!)), it has nice battery life (about 5-8 hours with very heavy usage and I'm talking about the regular razr, so the maxx has to be amazing) and that's why I started to think about a razr maxx. Battery life? Sure I want that!
But I will sell my razr, get a Nexus and will have nearly the same features as a razr maxx has. This will cost me some bucks more, but I will get updates way faster and longer. If google stops support for the Nexus, the unlocked bootloader will allow to install newer custom roms and therefore the latest android version. With Motorola, this is NOT the case. If Motorola says 4.0.4 was the last update, you're stuck with 4.0.4 forever or you use tools to work around these locks. But the issues raised by those tools and workarounds, destroy the hardware superiority of the razr next to other devices (you get less RAM that you really have, blame Moto!)... So... why a razr then?
- old software
- late updates and you're stuck with what you get
- bloated with so much software preinstalled and consuming precious RAM (can only be removed with root aka. tinkering with your phone for eventually a long time)
- bad camera (there is even a thread about this topic on here somewhere)
- with the latest ICS update even the webtop got removed and replaced by a standard ICS tablet mode UI (which is to be honest very good IMHO - but that's not a webtop anymore (as they advertised it), so that feature got taken (remember, you get what Motorola gives you with this phone)
tl;dr: Do NOT get a razr (maxx) and look for something like a google experience phone (e.g. GNexus). I am a razr owner and STRONGLY recommend to get another phone (because of the software - which is a shame, blame Moto).
EDIT: I have to be fair and add: GB and ICS from Motorola were and are very stable. I get very long uptimes with my razr. But again: It's slow if you don't mess with it. And if somebody says it's not slow: It's also not as fast as it could be, not as battery saving as it could be, so the bloat DEFINITELY disturbs the performance of the razr.
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Can you give me the link for the topic about the camera?
I don't think Motorola will stop the update so easily, as Google owns Motorola for now...
Stock Motorola Rom has a lot of problems like bloatwares?
I'm thinking of getting this phone too.
ZRong223 said:
Can you give me the link for the topic about the camera?
I don't think Motorola will stop the update so easily, as Google owns Motorola for now...
Stock Motorola Rom has a lot of problems like bloatwares?
I'm thinking of getting this phone too.
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What has changed now that Google owns Moto? Has anything changed? Unlocked bootloaders? easier to get updates??
Also what's the camera issue?
Google bought Motorola for it's patents, not to immediately turn all Moto phones into hackable devices.
So the only thing that's changed is Google's patent portfolio got bigger.
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Google bought Motorola for it's patents, not to immediately turn all Moto phones into hackable devices.
So the only thing that's changed is Google's patent portfolio got bigger.
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Right - that's what everyone says. But as of now I'm only noticing 4-5 ICS Roms for the RAZR and is that because it's hard to get a ROM going on the phone due to restrictions or just that these ROMs are so stable and awesome that the RAZR audience seens no reason to mess about?
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Right - that's what everyone says. But as of now I'm only noticing 4-5 ICS Roms for the RAZR and is that because it's hard to get a ROM going on the phone due to restrictions or just that these ROMs are so stable and awesome that the RAZR audience seens no reason to mess about?
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Some developers already switched to other devices (like the maker of the ROM I'm currently using (Epsilon)). The only usable/not bugged versions are just debloated and customized Moto stock roms. They work good though.
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What has changed now that Google owns Moto? Has anything changed? Unlocked bootloaders? easier to get updates??
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Nothing really. It's rumored, that the next Moto devices (razr HD?) will have an unlocked bootloader. But for current phones, nothing really changed.
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Also what's the camera issue?
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Can you give me the link for the topic about the camera?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1834550&highlight=camera
I already gave you a link to a GSMArena comparison tool (click the image on the left over the text to view other parts in detail on the right)
ZRong223 said:
I don't think Motorola will stop the update so easily, as Google owns Motorola for now...
Stock Motorola Rom has a lot of problems like bloatwares?
I'm thinking of getting this phone too.
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It's overloaded with bloatware. It's still usable, but it destroys so much potential of the phone. If you unbloat it, it's fast too.
And I honestly don't think, that Googles ownership of Moto will change anything related to updates. I doubt, that the razr will get Android 5. It's still far ahead, but a device that costs hundreds of €/$ and doesn't get updates? The iPhone 3GS released in 2009 got the latest iOS. The razr got out in November last year and is already outdated and no update in sight. Moto didn't even say a single word about JB for the razr.
Remember: It's not only about features, also about security. Old Android versions don't get security updates. Nobody uses Windows XP without any security updates and surfs the web. (Nearly) everyone knows that this would be suicide. On mobile phones, nobody cares all of the sudden.
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That extended battery is a small bump in mAh and really only provides a slight advantage over the stock battery. Yes, it's better, but not close to double as is the MAXX battery.
But I'm not arguing my point (not my intent). The GNEX is a fine phone, but that extended battery won't work miracles. It's a marginal improvement in reality. You are better off carrying a spare original battery in your pocket (as I did when I had my GNEX). It's mildly annoying but will get you through a day of normal (not heavy) use. The extended battery will require a second for all day use anyway, so there's that.
...and the extended battery will only fit the Verizon GNEX (I am assuming the OP has Verizon?). On that note, the Verizon GNEX is really bad vs. the GSM version. Poor connectivity, terrible battery (compared to the GSM GNEX) just to start.
But what do I know? I have AT&T. Guess I've just read enough complaints about the CDMA GNEX vs. the RAZR MAXX to have the opinion that the RAZR is the better device.
Edit: I see the OP's title (GSM), so no Verizon GNEX. The extended battery you linked will not work with the GSM GNEX.
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Oh, I didn't know that. But there's also an extended battery for the GSM version: Samsung EB-K1F2KBUGSTD