Hi Guys,
i just got my HDX (7" - Thor) this week and was trying to get the Thor GAPPS ROM by Cpasjuste to work. Having found nothing specific for FireOS version 13.3.2.1 i went ahead and tried my luck with the "old" version of the ROM (thor-gapps-13.3.0.0-v2.zip).
Unfortunately i couldn't get it to work and am back to factory defaults. Which is good, since it's not a brick. So now i'm trying to play it safe and wait for the developer's magic to happen
i'm eager to play around with the device, but don't want to risk losing my chances of running a custom ROM in the future. i already own the first Kindle Fire and wouldn't want to miss the near stock Android on that.
So, finally, my question:
If i use the HDX Toolkit to root and disable OTA updates, i assume it will be safe to use the device until the bootloader gets unlocked or some other magic happens. Am i correct with this assumption?
Edit1 [2014-07-09 - 21:21]: sorry for the soonish edit, but i just prepared the device in case someone confirms, that it is more or less safe to use it with OTA disabled.
Upon disabling OTA, i get a few rows of "killed" messages in the HDX toolkit. When i first disabled OTA i saw that some services were being disabled or uninstalled. Is "killed" a confirmation that the components are already killed? i have already factory resetted, as i cannot find a way to do a full wipe. The result is the same.
Thanks in advance.
umm
kobayashimaru said:
Hi Guys,
i just got my HDX (7" - Thor) this week and was trying to get the Thor GAPPS ROM by Cpasjuste to work. Having found nothing specific for FireOS version 13.3.2.1 i went ahead and tried my luck with the "old" version of the ROM (thor-gapps-13.3.0.0-v2.zip).
Unfortunately i couldn't get it to work and am back to factory defaults. Which is good, since it's not a brick. So now i'm trying to play it safe and wait for the developer's magic to happen
i'm eager to play around with the device, but don't want to risk losing my chances of running a custom ROM in the future. i already own the first Kindle Fire and wouldn't want to miss the near stock Android on that.
So, finally, my question:
If i use the HDX Toolkit to root and disable OTA updates, i assume it will be safe to use the device until the bootloader gets unlocked or some other magic happens. Am i correct with this assumption?
Edit1 [2014-07-09 - 21:21]: sorry for the soonish edit, but i just prepared the device in case someone confirms, that it is more or less safe to use it with OTA disabled.
Upon disabling OTA, i get a few rows of "killed" messages in the HDX toolkit. When i first disabled OTA i saw that some services were being disabled or uninstalled. Is "killed" a confirmation that the components are already killed? i have already factory resetted, as i cannot find a way to do a full wipe. The result is the same.
Thanks in advance.
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Never factory reset stock slot if you have run the OTA blocker the utility also has a eNAble option for the OTA blocker always uninstall xposed framework and modules before factory reset also .. Always returning the unit to as close to factory as you can before doing a factory reset in factory recovery. Otherwise you risk breaking your device.. If you look around you will find ways to do a manual update to a slightly newer firmware just not the newest and your ROMs will work.
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Never factory reset stock slot if you have run the OTA blocker the utility also has a eNAble option for the OTA blocker always uninstall xposed framework and modules before factory reset also .. Always returning the unit to as close to factory as you can before doing a factory reset in factory recovery. Otherwise you risk breaking your device.. If you look around you will find ways to do a manual update to a slightly newer firmware just not the newest and your ROMs will work.
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Thanks. i will look for the update method you mentioned. i might have already read it on Friday, but didn't think it would apply to my version.
i have removed everything related to modding before factory resetting from the FireOS settings. At that point, there was only safestrap left, which i uninstalled.
If i decided to stay on FireOS after all, until a better method comes up, is there a way for me to check, if the OTA blocker is actually working?
lol
kobayashimaru said:
Thanks. i will look for the update method you mentioned. i might have already read it on Friday, but didn't think it would apply to my version.
i have removed everything related to modding before factory resetting from the FireOS settings. At that point, there was only safestrap left, which i uninstalled.
If i decided to stay on FireOS after all, until a better method comes up, is there a way for me to check, if the OTA blocker is actually working?
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It works. Just open settings go device,system updates ,check for updates, should fail immediately..if it stars to dl. kill wifi
jimyv said:
It works. Just open settings go device,system updates ,check for updates, should fail immediately..if it stars to dl. kill wifi
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Thanks, i'm always scared with such new devices.
"Update failed". Perfect.
i got the Thor GAPPS working by now, so i'll try using that for now.
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I did root Amazon Kindle HDX THOR successfully with: [TOOL] HDX ToolKit v0.94:ROOT UPDATE
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2665683
And I disabled the air updates according to the instructions. Later I tried to reset the update to 13.3.1.0.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2782159&page=10
It worked allright, until I tried to do the manuel update. But because I disabled air update earlier, Amazon Kindle couldn't find any update the manual update failed. How do I do to enable the update again, is there anything else I can do to solve this?
Is it possible to reset to 13.3.2.3.2 again?
Thanks!
umm
Atise said:
I did root Amazon Kindle HDX THOR successfully with: [TOOL] HDX ToolKit v0.94:ROOT UPDATE
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2665683
And I disabled the air updates according to the instructions. Later I tried to reset the update to 13.3.1.0.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2782159&page=10
It worked allright, until I tried to do the manuel update. But because I disabled air update earlier, Amazon Kindle couldn't find any update the manual update failed. How do I do to enable the update again, is there anything else I can do to solve this?
Is it possible to reset to 13.3.2.3.2 again?
Thanks!
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Rerun the tool kit it has a reenable option. Just out of curiosity did you ask this question back in the HDX utility thread? Nevermind it might not of let you post their.
Anyway if as long as you are using version .94 should work fine for you. And make sure that you have Wi-Fi disabled and even forget your network as you are planning on doing a manual update. If you plan on trying to rollback we advised not to at this time just wait till safestrap is updated and works with the newest firmware... Way too many people are breaking their devices by trying to do the build prop modifications necessary to do these manual updates.. If you want the latest firmware just let it up to Wi-Fi nHit check for updates then you can wipe it root it or whatever... But just to let you know currently safestrap does not work on newest firmware..yet. Just do your homework because there are a ton of brick devices right now that are getting sent in for BS warranty claims.. And I have to emphasize yet again there is no easy way to recover this device at this time if you mess something up unless you are using safestrap and on slot 1 ect...NO fastboot capabilities at this time..And bootloader is locked
Thanks
jimyv said:
Rerun the tool kit it has a reenable option. Just out of curiosity did you ask this question back in the HDX utility thread? Nevermind it might not of let you post their.
Anyway if as long as you are using version .94 should work fine for you. And make sure that you have Wi-Fi disabled and even forget your network as you are planning on doing a manual update. If you plan on trying to rollback we advised not to at this time just wait till safestrap is updated and works with the newest firmware... Way too many people are breaking their devices by trying to do the build prop modifications necessary to do these manual updates.. If you want the latest firmware just let it up to Wi-Fi nHit check for updates then you can wipe it root it or whatever... But just to let you know currently safestrap does not work on newest firmware..yet. Just do your homework because there are a ton of brick devices right now that are getting sent in for BS warranty claims.. And I have to emphasize yet again there is no easy way to recover this device at this time if you mess something up unless you are using safestrap and on slot 1 ect...NO fastboot capabilities at this time..And bootloader is locked
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Thank you for your help!
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Thank you for your help!
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My advise, don't try rolling back, most likely you will brick your device. Search for an app called kindlefree if Google play is what you want.
btw, thank you for posting in Q&A.
Hi all,
Have a new Kindle HDX 7 13.3.1.0 and have rooted with KFHDX ToolKit v0.94 and installed SU and blocked the OTA updates. Also have installed ES3 file manager and Titanium Backup Pro. I have not installed Safestrap (yet) as I need to read more before that happens, if it ever does.
So, here's my issue---when I select setting/device/storage, the storage screen only appears for about 1/2 second and then reverts to the previous device screen. I know this was working before, so it's something I did inadvertently, or maybe a file corruption? All else on the tablet works fine and I have Google Play installed thanks to the forum here.
I'm thinking a factory reset will cure this, but not sure. Before I do a reset (a last resort) I thought I should seek the advice from the experts here just in case a file replacement or something else could be tried.
Thanks in advance--this is a great forum!
touchy
kico42 said:
Hi all,
Have a new Kindle HDX 7 13.3.1.0 and have rooted with KFHDX ToolKit v0.94 and installed SU and blocked the OTA updates. Also have installed ES3 file manager and Titanium Backup Pro. I have not installed Safestrap (yet) as I need to read more before that happens, if it ever does.
So, here's my issue---when I select setting/device/storage, the storage screen only appears for about 1/2 second and then reverts to the previous device screen. I know this was working before, so it's something I did inadvertently, or maybe a file corruption? All else on the tablet works fine and I have Google Play installed thanks to the forum here.
I'm thinking a factory reset will cure this, but not sure. Before I do a reset (a last resort) I thought I should seek the advice from the experts here just in case a file replacement or something else could be tried.
Thanks in advance--this is a great forum!
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This device is very fickle with behaviour after reset. I advise if you need to do a factory reset then to undo your OTA block from the toolkit uninstall the and Xposed framework ,and make sure supersu is installed into system via supersu apps settings. And the binary has been updated if needed
jimyv said:
This device is very fickle with behaviour after reset. I advise if you need to do a factory reset then to undo your OTA block from the toolkit uninstall the and Xposed framework ,and make sure supersu is installed into system via supersu apps settings. And the binary has been updated if needed
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jimyv,
Thanks for the reply...I will heed your advice if I decide to do a reset. Not sure what you mean "very fickle with behavior after reset". Do you mean a reset does not always work with the HDX?
Pretty new at this and am trying to read and understand as much as I can so I don't make any stupid moves.
kico42 said:
jimyv,
Thanks for the reply...I will heed your advice if I decide to do a reset. Not sure what you mean "very fickle with behavior after reset". Do you mean a reset does not always work with the HDX?
Pretty new at this and am trying to read and understand as much as I can so I don't make any stupid moves.
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I just mean make sure you undo your modifications before you do a reset otherwise to reset may screw you all up
Heres the deal I have a kindle fire HDX 8.9" (Apollo) On firmware version 14.3.2.4_user_324002120 and was wondering if it is possible to unlock the bootloader.
Montisaquadeis said:
Heres the deal I have a kindle fire HDX 8.9" (Apollo) On firmware version 14.3.2.4_user_324002120 and was wondering if it is possible to unlock the bootloader.
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Yes. Procedure involves a rollback to FireOS 14.3.1.x, installation of TWRP recovery, updating the native bootloader and then working through the unlock procedure (tedious for some). Once complete you can flash several HDX compatible roms including Nexus v4, CM11, two lollipop variants (CM12, SlipLP) or stick with FireOS provided you don't want to install gapps.
If needed I can post an outline and link to contributor supplied guides in a day or so ... or perhaps someone will jump in with the gory details. Or you also can browse through the forums. I'd wait for more info as it's pretty easy to brick your device (no recovery) if you go off script. In no case should you tweak build.prop or flash different versions of FireOS without specific instructions.
"If needed I can post an outline and link to contributor supplied guides in a day or so..."
This would be highly appreciated! Thanks!
fabische said:
"If needed I can post an outline and link to contributor supplied guides in a day or so..."
This would be highly appreciated! Thanks!
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With 3.2.4 you could use the rollback images provided by @ggow. Check page 2 of this thread (page 1 is about 3.2.5/3.2.6 users, who can NOT use the rollback images!).
This would require rooting with HDX Toolkit and installing Safestrap 3.75. With Safestrap v3.7x note that factory reset means standard wipe only! Do NOT open advanced wipe menu, and especially do NOT wipe system! Keep WLAN off/flightmode active to avoid getting updated by Amazon, (re-)root and disable OTA via HDX Toolkit after downgrade, then flash TWRP, update 3.2.3.2 bootloader via TWRP, unlock bootloader and flash ROM of your choice - be sure do create a backup of your Fire OS in TWRP and move it to your PC before you flash any custom ROM!
Read the info, and ask first if you have questions, i.e. before you brick your HDX.
Cl4ncy said:
With 3.2.4 you could use the rollback images provided by @ggow. Check page 2 of this thread (page 1 is about 3.2.5/3.2.6 users, who can NOT use the rollback images!).
This would require rooting with HDX Toolkit and installing Safestrap 3.75. With Safestrap v3.7x note that factory reset means standard wipe only! Do NOT open advanced wipe menu, and especially do NOT wipe system! Keep WLAN off/flightmode active to avoid getting updated by Amazon, (re-)root and disable OTA via HDX Toolkit after downgrade, then flash TWRP, update 3.2.3.2 bootloader via TWRP, unlock bootloader and flash ROM of your choice - be sure do create a backup of your Fire OS in TWRP and move it to your PC before you flash any custom ROM!
Read the info, and ask first if you have questions, i.e. before you brick your HDX.
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cheers mate! Just wonder how I can rollback my Apollo from 14.4.5.2 to 14.3.2.4 which is required to unlock the bootloader.
All the instructions that I can find state that you cannot rollback below 14.3.2.8....
fabische said:
cheers mate! Just wonder how I can rollback my Apollo from 14.4.5.2 to 14.3.2.4 which is required to unlock the bootloader.
All the instructions that I can find state that you cannot rollback below 14.3.2.8....
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You can't. Any attempt to rollback below 3.2.8 will brick your device (anti-rollback protection). There is no way to unlock the bootloader on a device that has been upgraded (or began life) above 3.2.6.
However, with 4.5.2 you can root, install Safestrap v4 and then have a choice of CM11 or Nexus v4. Post back if you need assistance.
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You can't. Any attempt to rollback below 3.2.8 will brick your device (anti-rollback protection). There is no way to unlock the bootloader on a device that has been upgraded (or began life) above 3.2.6.
However, with 4.5.2 you can root, install Safestrap v4 and then have a choice of CM11 or Nexus v4. Post back if you need assistance.
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Thanks for the quick reply! Basically, I have constant issues with GAPPS running on my rooted 4.5.2 Apollo. For the last six months I have simply blocked any updates of Google Play Services (+chattr command). This was fine for a while, however, meanwhile apps like Google+ & Photos are working less than satisfying. I have updated Google Play Services today which eventually killed my Google Play Store. I managed to get back to the previous so-so state because I had backed up the Google Apps files with Titanium backup. Though my "simple" aim remains to have a working Gapps package on my system. However, the safestrap method, for some strange reason, is currently no option: when I install safestrap 4.1 and try to enter recovery the system goes into a black screen.
To cut a long story short my longterm plan now is to rollback to 3.2.8 again, upgrade to 4.5.2., root and reinstall Gapps manually (or is there a quicker option?). Possibly, Safestrap will work again then too.
Does this make any sense to you?
cheers!
fabische said:
THowever, the safestrap method, for some strange reason, is currently no option: when I install safestrap 4.1 and try to enter recovery the system goes into a black screen.
To cut a long story short my longterm plan now is to rollback to 3.2.8 again, upgrade to 4.5.2., root and reinstall Gapps manually (or is there a quicker option?). Possibly, Safestrap will work again then too.
Does this make any sense to you?
cheers!
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You are in a tricky situation. If Safestrap v4 won't boot the contents in one of the native Amazon partitions (boot, recovery or system) may be damaged. You need some of these components to rollback or upgrade. If attempted outcomes can range from refusing to process the rollback/update file to an unrecoverable brick. You sometimes see this in a pure stock device. Working fine then bricks after receiving an OTA.
Thoughts:
- it is possible to 'refresh' the recovery partition with Flashify but you will need to find a compatible 4.5.2 recovery image
- suggest you upgrade to 4.5.5 first. Based on limited feedback the risk of a minor FireOS v4 upgrade is less than rolling back.
- if the upgrade is successful you can then attempt a rollback to 3.2.8 followed by upgrade to 4.5.2 (keep WiFi off!!)
- you should uninstall GAaps before upgrading/downgrading.
- there is increased risk if you previously changed permissions on system files to block OTA, etc.
- you will need to reenable OTA (hopefully just a file rename) to up/downgrade.
- I believe Safestrap v4 will install and run correctly if you successfully rollback and upgrade to 4.5.2.
Davey126 said:
You are in a tricky situation. If Safestrap v4 won't boot the contents in one of the native Amazon partitions (boot, recovery or system) may be damaged. You need some of these components to rollback or upgrade. If attempted outcomes can range from refusing to process the rollback/update file to an unrecoverable brick. You sometimes see this in a pure stock device. Working fine then bricks after receiving an OTA.
Thoughts:
- it is possible to 'refresh' the recovery partition with Flashify but you will need to find a compatible 4.5.2 recovery image
- suggest you upgrade to 4.5.5 first. Based on limited feedback the risk of a minor FireOS v4 upgrade is less than rolling back.
- if the upgrade is successful you can then attempt a rollback to 3.2.8 followed by upgrade to 4.5.2 (keep WiFi off!!)
- you should uninstall GAaps before upgrading/downgrading.
- there is increased risk if you previously changed permissions on system files to block OTA, etc.
- you will need to reenable OTA (hopefully just a file rename) to up/downgrade.
- I believe Safestrap v4 will install and run correctly if you successfully rollback and upgrade to 4.5.2.
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Thanks, davey126. Before I set off for this next adventure: what is your guess that we will see an unlocked bootloader for current fire OS versions in the future? (this might save a lot of trouble)
fabische said:
Thanks, davey126. Before I set off for this next adventure: what is your guess that we will see an unlocked bootloader for current fire OS versions in the future? (this might save a lot of trouble)
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Close to (effectively) zero. A new vulnerability would have to be discovered followed by an exploit to leverage it. 3rd gen devices have been discontinued; we don't even have root for 4th gen devices. I suspect few resources are being expended on this device. All the (Amazon) excitement surrounds the new $50 USD tablets that have been rooted and have a selection of custom roms. HDX is quickly becoming a beautiful dinosaur. Hi specs are out, cheap is in.
Davey126 said:
You are in a tricky situation. If Safestrap v4 won't boot the contents in one of the native Amazon partitions (boot, recovery or system) may be damaged. You need some of these components to rollback or upgrade. If attempted outcomes can range from refusing to process the rollback/update file to an unrecoverable brick. You sometimes see this in a pure stock device. Working fine then bricks after receiving an OTA.
Thoughts:
- it is possible to 'refresh' the recovery partition with Flashify but you will need to find a compatible 4.5.2 recovery image
- suggest you upgrade to 4.5.5 first. Based on limited feedback the risk of a minor FireOS v4 upgrade is less than rolling back.
- if the upgrade is successful you can then attempt a rollback to 3.2.8 followed by upgrade to 4.5.2 (keep WiFi off!!)
- you should uninstall GAaps before upgrading/downgrading.
- there is increased risk if you previously changed permissions on system files to block OTA, etc.
- you will need to reenable OTA (hopefully just a file rename) to up/downgrade.
- I believe Safestrap v4 will install and run correctly if you successfully rollback and upgrade to 4.5.2.
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Am I in serious trouble now?
I have followed to downgrade path by first updating (my 3rd Gen Apollo) from 4.5.2 to 4.5.4 and then to 4.5.5. Next was the 3.2.8-downgrade file:
mod-update-kindle-apollo-14.3.2.8_user_714328020.bin
However, starting this downgrade always results in a "Last update failed" message.
It turns out that there are two different 4.5.5 update files.
update-kindle-22.4.5.5_user_455001820
update-kindle-14.4.5.5_user_455001320
I have updated to the more recent "455001820" which actually refuses the downgrade to 14.3.2.8.
Seems I am stuck now?
Can I at least root update-kindle-22.4.5.5_user_455001820?
Thanks!
UPDATE:
Stuck where I was, I allowed my apollo to go online again. It found a newer 4.5.5 Fire os update and I let it download and run through. It now seems that I am on the latest version of 4.5.5. However, with this setup I am still unable to downgrade to 3.2.8. Every attempt to do so delivers a "Last update failed" message...
AFTERTHOUGHT
Could it make any difference if I factory reset the device (i.e. with regards to the downgrading process)? I have also noticed that I did not uninstall GAPPs before updating Fire OS to 4.5.5. However, I did manage to uninstall Google Apps and then also deleted google related files by searching with ES Explorer.
fabische said:
Am I in serious trouble now?
I have followed to downgrade path by first updating (my 3rd Gen Apollo) from 4.5.2 to 4.5.4 and then to 4.5.5. Next was the 3.2.8-downgrade file:
mod-update-kindle-apollo-14.3.2.8_user_714328020.bin
However, starting this downgrade always results in a "Last update failed" message.
It turns out that there are two different 4.5.5 update files.
update-kindle-22.4.5.5_user_455001820
update-kindle-14.4.5.5_user_455001320
I have updated to the more recent "455001820" which actually refuses the downgrade to 14.3.2.8.
Seems I am stuck now?
Can I at least root update-kindle-22.4.5.5_user_455001820?
Thanks!
UPDATE:
Stuck where I was, I allowed my apollo to go online again. It found a newer 4.5.5 Fire os update and I let it download and run through. It now seems that I am on the latest version of 4.5.5. However, with this setup I am still unable to downgrade to 3.2.8. Every attempt to do so delivers a "Last update failed" message...
AFTERTHOUGHT
Could it make any difference if I factory reset the device (i.e. with regards to the downgrading process)? I have also noticed that I did not uninstall GAPPs before updating Fire OS to 4.5.5. However, I did manage to uninstall Google Apps and then also deleted google related files by searching with ES Explorer.
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I do not think the different subversion of 14.4.5.5 are significant in your situation although good to know they exist.
Yes - I would try a factory reset as others have reported success when update (rollback) files fail to process. This is one of the few cases where benefits of a factory reset outweigh risks. Make sure usb debugging is enabled as it may prove beneficial if your device has trouble restarting after the reset.
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I do not think the different subversion of 14.4.5.5 are significant in your situation although good to know they exist.
Yes - I would try a factory reset as others have reported success when update (rollback) files fail to process. This is one of the few cases where benefits of a factory reset outweigh risks. Make sure usb debugging is enabled as it may prove beneficial if your device has trouble restarting after the reset.
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Thanks, davey126. I have made factory reset on my device. I will try to downgrade later today. With regard to unlocking the 4.5.5. bootloader there has been an interesting development: a couple of days ago somebody managed to crack the 4.5.5 bootloader - unfortunately for the Kindle HD 7 (3rd Gen, 2013) only. What is your guess: could this prove useful for the HDX? Could this become a Safestrap alternative? Is it worth the wait?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/kin...ment/unlock-kfsowi-bootloader-unlock-t3262770
fabische said:
Thanks, davey126. I have made factory reset on my device. I will try to downgrade later today. With regard to unlocking the 4.5.5. bootloader there has been an interesting development: a couple of days ago somebody managed to crack the 4.5.5 bootloader - unfortunately for the Kindle HD 7 (3rd Gen, 2013) only. What is your guess: could this prove useful for the HDX? Could this become a Safestrap alternative? Is it worth the wait?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/kin...ment/unlock-kfsowi-bootloader-unlock-t3262770
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Aside from sharing a generational identifier the two tabs have little in common. It's possible there is some similar code in the bootloader...but that seems unlikely. The real issue imo is the number people working on HDX vs HD variants. Only a few talented devs (I'm not one of them) tinkering with the former which is now discontinued.
Installing Safestrap does not decisively close the door to leveraging future BL exploits should one become available. I also think we may see some progress on a LP/MM rom for SS over time. Fingers crossed!
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Aside from sharing a generational identifier the two tabs have little in common. It's possible there is some similar code in the bootloader...but that seems unlikely. The real issue imo is the number people working on HDX vs HD variants. Only a few talented devs (I'm not one of them) tinkering with the former which is now discontinued.
Installing Safestrap does not decisively close the door to leveraging future BL exploits should one become available. I also think we may see some progress on a LP/MM rom for SS over time. Fingers crossed!
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Thanks again, Davey126. All is well now.
It all turned out as you predicted: downgrading 3.2.8 was possible after I made a factory reset on 4.5.5.
The rest was easy: upgrading back to 4.5.2 and rooting.
Your second prediction also proved correct: Safestrap 4.0.1 was not working properly on my fire os stock ROM. However, by going through this whole down- and upgrading process again Safestrap couldn't run smoother as it runs now. Finally, a working Safestrap opened the road (Hallelujah!!) to GET RID OF FIRE OS ONCE AND FOR ALL. I am now on rooted CM11 with GAPPS and starting to explore a new, liberated tablet! One more reason to celebrate!
fabische said:
Thanks again, Davey126. All is well now.
It all turned out as you predicted: downgrading 3.2.8 was possible after I made a factory reset on 4.5.5.
The rest was easy: upgrading back to 4.5.2 and rooting.
Your second prediction also proved correct: Safestrap 4.0.1 was not working properly on my fire os stock ROM. However, by going through this whole down- and upgrading process again Safestrap couldn't run smoother as it runs now. Finally, a working Safestrap opened the road (Hallelujah!!) to GET RID OF FIRE OS ONCE AND FOR ALL. I am now on rooted CM11 with GAPPS and starting to explore a new, liberated tablet! One more reason to celebrate!
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Excellent - glad everything went as hoped. I suggest you glance through previous posts to make sure everything is configured to give you the best experience.
Enjoy your liberated HDX.
I flashed 4.5.2 Apollo on my 8.9 HDX from CM11 now Im stuck it doesnt update just says update failed I removed the recovery didnt fix the problem either. Is there a flashable 4.5.5.1 apollo zip? I tried changing the bin to a zip and flashing didnt work said apollo_full instead of apollo as error. Anyone know how to fix it just downloads the update fully then says update failed...
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I flashed 4.5.2 Apollo on my 8.9 HDX from CM11 now Im stuck it doesnt update just says update failed I removed the recovery didnt fix the problem either. Is there a flashable 4.5.5.1 apollo zip? I tried changing the bin to a zip and flashing didnt work said apollo_full instead of apollo as error. Anyone know how to fix it just downloads the update fully then says update failed...
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Be happy 4.5.5.1 didn't take when SafeStrap recovery was installed; device would have bricked. Assume you used the Safestrap compatible variant of 4.5.2 (here). After flashing that (stock slot only; never use secondary slots in SS v4) reboot device and remove Safestrap recovery via SS app. Power down and boot into stock recovery via <power>+<vol-up> and perform a factory reset (you'll loose all apps/data). Reboot again and initialize FireOS. It should then accept OTA updates.
Be 100% sure Safestrap recovery is uninstalled prior to doing a factory reset.
Curious - why to you want 4.5.5.1? Offers no advantage over 4.5.2 if running custom ROMs. Nor will it automatically update to FireOS v5 as Amazon has no plans to release a v5 update for 3rd gen devices.
Ok I went back to 4.5.2 > installed kingroot > went to safestrap > uninstalled recovery > rebooted to stock recovery and factory reset . Its still doing the same thing it downloads to 100 and doesnt do anything...
I might be selling the device and going to a Nexus 9 so I have to make sure it can update or Im going to lose money on the sale.
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Ok I went back to 4.5.2 > installed kingroot > went to safestrap > uninstalled recovery > rebooted to stock recovery and factory reset . Its still doing the same thing it downloads to 100 and doesnt do anything...
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I might be selling the device and going to a Nexus 9 so I have to make sure it can update or Im going to lose money on the sale.
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IDK - should work. You can try downloading the latest version of FireOS here; installation instructions here. Also verify OTA apk is installed and properly named (here).
It's likely 4.5.x is the terminal release of FireOS for 3rd gen devices; potential buyers will not be severely disadvantaged on 4.5.2.
OK I tried to update to 4.5.5.1 from 4.5.2 (said it was invalid update) do I need to update sequentially like 4.5.3 first?
Update 1: Tried 4.5.3 said update file not valid again. I'm beginning to think this restore file I found on here that was Safestrap 4.5.2 might be the wrong zip for this device even though it installs...
Update 2: Tried another TWRP 4.5.5, it installed, then I did the same thing again removed SafeStrap. Then factory reset...
Why can't I update to 4.5.5.1 after returning from CM11 this is so frustrating.
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OK I tried to update to 4.5.5.1 from 4.5.2 (said it was invalid update) do I need to update sequentially like 4.5.3 first?
Update 1: Tried 4.5.3 said update file not valid again. I'm beginning to think this restore file I found on here that was Safestrap 4.5.2 might be the wrong zip for this device even though it installs...
Update 2: Tried another TWRP 4.5.5, it installed, then I did the same thing again removed SafeStrap. Then factory reset...
Why can't I update to 4.5.5.1 after returning from CM11 this is so frustrating.
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As previously posted - IDK and I do not think anyone else does either. What I do know is every flash (some which appear questionable) presents another failure opportunity that could yield an unrecoverable device. Keep experimenting and posting results; others will learn from your efforts. Just recognize the risk and know when to say 'good enough'. Pushing from 4.5.2 to 4.5.5.1 buys you no additional capability/functionality/stability at this time.
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OK I tried to update to 4.5.5.1 from 4.5.2 (said it was invalid update) do I need to update sequentially like 4.5.3 first?
Update 1: Tried 4.5.3 said update file not valid again. I'm beginning to think this restore file I found on here that was Safestrap 4.5.2 might be the wrong zip for this device even though it installs...
Update 2: Tried another TWRP 4.5.5, it installed, then I did the same thing again removed SafeStrap. Then factory reset...
Why can't I update to 4.5.5.1 after returning from CM11 this is so frustrating.
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Do you checked if the DeviceSoftwareOTA.apk is there? (which @Davey126 mentioned above).
I was in the same situation and had to rename it back, which I'd renamed before as described in the OTA blocking tutorial. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59160158&postcount=1
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OK I tried to update to 4.5.5.1 from 4.5.2 (said it was invalid update) do I need to update sequentially like 4.5.3 first?
Update 1: Tried 4.5.3 said update file not valid again. I'm beginning to think this restore file I found on here that was Safestrap 4.5.2 might be the wrong zip for this device even though it installs...
Update 2: Tried another TWRP 4.5.5, it installed, then I did the same thing again removed SafeStrap. Then factory reset...
Why can't I update to 4.5.5.1 after returning from CM11 this is so frustrating.
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did you ever figure this out? i'm in the same boat right now, except i don't even know how to remove the recovery. i'm running safestrap 4.01 and fire rom 4.5.2. I saw another post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49687774&postcount=9 but i'm not quite sure if it will work ( i just don't want to brick my kindle). I got it unrooted but that is about it
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did you ever figure this out? i'm in the same boat right now, except i don't even know how to remove the recovery. i'm running safestrap 4.01 and fire rom 4.5.2. I saw another post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49687774&postcount=9 but i'm not quite sure if it will work ( i just don't want to brick my kindle). I got it unrooted but that is about it
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Ignore that post; dangerous to futz with build.prop on this device. Try the following:
- reroot (yes, this is necessary)
- browse to /system/priv-app/ and search for DeviceSoftwareOTA.???, where '???' is likely 'bak' but could be any series of characters
- rename above file to DeviceSoftwareOTA.apk (this is the app {likely one of several} that handles OTA updates on FireOS v4)
- reboot again
- verify device is registered with Amazon
- check every 10-15 min for availability of OTA update; it will almost certainly be 4.5.5.1; allow the update to proceed
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Ignore that post; dangerous to futz with build.prop on this device. Try the following:
- reroot (yes, this is necessary)
- browse to /system/priv-app/ and search for DeviceSoftwareOTA.???, where '???' is likely 'bak' but could be any series of characters
- rename above file to DeviceSoftwareOTA.apk (this is the app {likely one of several} that handles OTA updates on FireOS v4)
- reboot again
- verify device is registered with Amazon
- check every 10-15 min for availability of OTA update; it will almost certainly be 4.5.5.1; allow the update to proceed
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Thanks for the steps but I've tried that already. The kindle does find the update but only to 4.5.3. It downloads it and then does nothing. just stays there. It might give an error after a while and go back to where it checks for updates. I tried to side load the newest rom which I have manually downloaded from amazon, the tablet recognized it at first but then gave me an error. Is it crucial to remove the recovery in order to obtain the update?
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Thanks for the steps but I've tried that already. The kindle does find the update but only to 4.5.3. It downloads it and then does nothing. just stays there. It might give an error after a while and go back to where it checks for updates. I tried to side load the newest rom which I have manually downloaded from amazon, the tablet recognized it at first but then gave me an error. Is it crucial to remove the recovery in order to obtain the update?
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If you are referring to Safestrap v4 recovery then absolutely yes. The app itself can stay but recovery must be removed (uninstalled). Lucky you didn't score a brick trying to update FireOS with Safestrap recovery installed.
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If you are referring to Safestrap v4 recovery then absolutely yes. The app itself can stay but recovery must be removed (uninstalled). Lucky you didn't score a brick trying to update FireOS with Safestrap recovery installed.
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I got to the step where everything is ready to go. the device has been reset to factory default, safestrap recovery has been uninstalled. the device got registered in amazon store and found an update 4.5.3 but it still can't flash it after downloading. I copied the newest 4.5.5 bin file to the tablet, but when i tried to hit update I got a message: unable to complete update because the update file is not valid. please try downloading file again. Right now I'm on the 13.4.5.2 rom which I got here http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/development/hdx-stock-images-pre-rooted-updates-t2911954. Is there any other ideas on how to make update to work?
should I just edit buildprop for downgrade? i will need root for that. Can you advise, please
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I got to the step where everything is ready to go. the device has been reset to factory default, safestrap recovery has been uninstalled. the device got registered in amazon store and found an update 4.5.3 but it still can't flash it after downloading. I copied the newest 4.5.5 bin file to the tablet, but when i tried to hit update I got a message: unable to complete update because the update file is not valid. please try downloading file again. Right now I'm on the 13.4.5.2 rom which I got here http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/development/hdx-stock-images-pre-rooted-updates-t2911954. Is there any other ideas on how to make update to work?
should I just edit buildprop for downgrade? i will need root for that. Can you advise, please
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Four choices:
- Modify build.prop, attempt a downgrade and brick your device. Go ahead, I'll wait ...
tip: relying on uncollaborated guidance in a three year old post is rarely best practice
- Root, reinstall Safestrap v4 + CM/Nexus and leave well enough alone. Your device works. Upgrading is not all it's cracked up to be. Kinda like that sweet looking honey/hunk in the bar on a foggy Saturday night.
- As above but reflash the Safestrap compatible (no other) version of FireOS 13.4.5.2. Possible something didn't go well the first time around which is preventing OTAs from being processed correctly. AFAIK - OTA is the only path to 4.5.5.1 as Amazon only offers 4.5.5 for download.
- Attempt a rollback to 3.2.8 followed by an immediate upgrade to 13.4.5.2 as documented here. This path is both the riskiest and the one most likely to clear whatever is blocking OTA updates. If you choose this option be sure to follow instructions exactly including linked files (not others you may have lying around). It is essential WiFi remain off (airplane/flight mode engaged) during the brief window your device is on 13.3.2.8. If an OTA update arrives on this version the device will hard brick with NO possible recovery.
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Four choices:
- Modify build.prop, attempt a downgrade and brick your device. Go ahead, I'll wait ...
tip: relying on uncollaborated guidance in a three year old post is rarely best practice
- Root, reinstall Safestrap v4 + CM/Nexus and leave well enough alone. Your device works. Upgrading is not all it's cracked up to be. Kinda like that sweet looking honey/hunk in the bar on a foggy Saturday night.
- As above but reflash the Safestrap compatible (no other) version of FireOS 13.4.5.2. Possible something didn't go well the first time around which is preventing OTAs from being processed correctly. AFAIK - OTA is the only path to 4.5.5.1 as Amazon only offers 4.5.5 for download.
- Attempt a rollback to 3.2.8 followed by an immediate upgrade to 13.4.5.2 as documented here. This path is both the riskiest and the one most likely to clear whatever is blocking OTA updates. If you choose this option be sure to follow instructions exactly including linked files (not others you may have lying around). It is essential WiFi remain off (airplane/flight mode engaged) during the brief window your device is on 13.3.2.8. If an OTA update arrives on this version the device will hard brick with NO possible recovery.
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thanks for the solutions. I figured since it is such a pain to get it to work I'll just stick with Nexus ROM now.
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thanks for the solutions. I figured since it is such a pain to get it to work I'll just stick with Nexus ROM now.
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Yep - that would be my choice too. Take note there are two Nexus builds, one for devices that have a 4.5.5.1 kernel, the other for older kernels. Try the former first as it as actively maintained and has a broader feature set. Links below:
old: http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/development/rom-hdx-nexus-v4-0-1-t3125808
new: http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/orig-development/rom-fire-nexus-rom-ktu84q-t3322931
Hi guys,
I have KFHDX 7 3rd generation I rooted and installed custom rom long time ago. Now I wanted to get back to fire os and update to 4.5.4. I deleted the custom rom which was installed in slot 2 then unistalled safetrap and unblocked OTA then the update started downloading but every time it reaches 100% it says updatig failure I tried to restart then It took to safetrap recovery ! I'm sure I deleted it !
Please help me befre I brick the device.
Thx
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Hi guys,
I have KFHDX 7 3rd generation I rooted and installed custom rom long time ago. Now I wanted to get back to fire os and update to 4.5.4. I deleted the custom rom which was installed in slot 2 then unistalled safetrap and unblocked OTA then the update started downloading but every time it reaches 100% it says updatig failure I tried to restart then It took to safetrap recovery ! I'm sure I deleted it !
Please help me befre I brick the device.
Thx
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I'll respond to this in the next 12-24 hours; sorry for the delay (too many irons in the fire).
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I'll respond to this in the next 12-24 hours; sorry for the delay (too many irons in the fire).
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Thanks,
I'm looking forward to your reply.
i_a7mdona said:
Hi guys,
I have KFHDX 7 3rd generation I rooted and installed custom rom long time ago. Now I wanted to get back to fire os and update to 4.5.4. I deleted the custom rom which was installed in slot 2 then unistalled safetrap and unblocked OTA then the update started downloading but every time it reaches 100% it says updatig failure I tried to restart then It took to safetrap recovery ! I'm sure I deleted it !
Please help me before I brick the device.
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Two critical questions:
- what version of Safestrap is currently installed (v3 or v4)?
- what ROMs and versions are/were installed in the stock slot and slots 1 & 2?
Be aware that rooting the device may have destroyed the ability to receive OTA updates. At present that is the only way to receive FireOS 4.5.4 short of rolling your own flashable update which is not for the faint of heart. Third gen devices do not have the ability to install or even refresh FireOS via stock recovery; OTA is the only way to receive updates (thanks, Amazon).
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Two critical questions:
- what version of Safestrap is currently installed (v3 or v4)?
- what ROMs and versions are/were installed in the stock slot and slots 1 & 2?
Be aware that rooting the device may have destroyed the ability to receive OTA updates. At present that is the only way to receive FireOS 4.5.4 short of rolling your own flashable update which is not for the faint of heart. Third gen devices do not have the ability to install or even refresh FireOS via stock recovery; OTA is the only way to receive updates (thanks, Amazon).
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Safestrap v 4.01 was installed and I deleted it but the device still boots to the recovery and I had nexus rom in slot 2 the stock slot wasn't touched at all when I unblocked the OTA it started to download 4.5.4 but it stuck at 100% I just want to get rid of safestrap and update to 4.5.4 plus I deleted nexus rom already.
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Safestrap v 4.01 was installed and I deleted it but the device still boots to the recovery and I had nexus rom in slot 2 the stock slot wasn't touched at all when I unblocked the OTA it started to download 4.5.4 but it stuck at 100% I just want to get rid of safestrap and update to 4.5.4 plus I deleted nexus rom already.
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- boot into FireOS (stock slot)
- reinstall Safestrap apk from here (important: be sure to use the correct build for your device)
- boot into Safestrap recovery
- verify slot 2 (and 1 if it exists) has been DELETED
- reboot into FireOS
- launch Safestrap app
- from within Safestrap app delete Safestrap recovery (likely the part you forgot to do before)
- exit Safestrap app
- reboot device; it should now go straight to FireOS without displaying Safestrap 'robot' prompt
- delete Safestrap app
Congratulations! You are now on pure FireOS.
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- boot into FireOS (stock slot)
- reinstall Safestrap apk from here (important: be sure to use the correct build for your device)
- boot into Safestrap recovery
- verify slot 2 (and 1 if it exists) has been DELETED
- reboot into FireOS
- launch Safestrap app
- from within Safestrap app delete Safestrap recovery (likely the part you forgot to do before)
- exit Safestrap app
- reboot device; it should now go straight to FireOS without displaying Safestrap 'robot' prompt
- delete Safestrap app
Congratulations! You are now on pure FireOS.
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Apearntly I lost the rooting. do I have to worry about OTA not blocked with safestrap installed? Cause I reinstall ES abd tried to block OTA but it won't let me it won't let me activate root explorer either. Do I have to do somethig before installing safestrap again?
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Apearntly I lost the rooting. do I have to worry about OTA not blocked with safestrap installed? Cause I reinstall ES abd tried to block OTA but it won't let me it won't let me activate root explorer either. Do I have to do somethig before installing safestrap again?
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SafeStrap app will reinstall regardless of root status. However, you will not be able to remove Safestrap​ Recovery if the host ROM (presumably FireOS 4.5.2 or 4.5.5.1) is not rooted. KingRoot is the only reliable method for rooting most versions of FireOS including those mentioned above.
OTA status is uncertain give previous update attempt. However, an 'official' update likely will not be processed with SafeStrap v4 recovery installed and may trigger a bootloop.
You may have to abandon efforts to restore stock FireOS environment...
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SafeStrap app will reinstall regardless of root status. However, you will not be able to remove Safestrap​ Recovery if the host ROM (presumably FireOS 4.5.2 or 4.5.5.1) is not rooted. KingRoot is the only reliable method for rooting most versions of FireOS including those mentioned above.
OTA status is uncertain give previous update attempt. However, an 'official' update likely will not be processed with SafeStrap v4 recovery installed and may trigger a bootloop.
You may have to abandon efforts to restore stock FireOS environment...
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I reinstalled safestrap, rooted my device using kingroot and, unistalled safestrap recovery, unblocked OTA and unistalled safestrap & kingroot. I l restarted the device it goes straight to the stock fire os but unfortunately I don't recieve the update "last update failed".
i_a7mdona said:
I reinstalled safestrap, rooted my device using kingroot and, unistalled safestrap recovery, unblocked OTA and unistalled safestrap & kingroot. I l restarted the device it goes straight to the stock fire os but unfortunately I don't recieve the update "last update failed".
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Yep - common occurrence once rooted. Unfortunately, restoring pure stock is nearly impossible. You could install a vulnerable bootloader and TWRP (both fairly easy) and flash a customized build of FireOS 4.5.2 which is the latest available as of this writing. Still doesn't provide a path to 4.5.4 but likely close enough.
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Yep - common occurrence once rooted. Unfortunately, restoring pure stock is nearly impossible. You could install a vulnerable bootloader and TWRP (both fairly easy) and flash a customized build of FireOS 4.5.2 which is the latest available as of this writing. Still doesn't provide a path to 4.5.4 but likely close enough.
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If I have stcok 4.5.2. Why should I go for customized 4.5.2? Is it any different?
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If I have stcok 4.5.2. Why should I go for customized 4.5.2? Is it any different?
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No difference. I did not know what version you currently have and referenced 4.5.2 as the highest flashable build available given 4.5.4 was the stated goal.
To the best of my knowledge there are no functional difference between 4.5.2 and 4.5.4; only minor security updates.
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No difference. I did not know what version you currently have and referenced 4.5.2 as the highest flashable build available given 4.5.4 was the stated goal.
To the best of my knowledge there are no functional difference between 4.5.2 and 4.5.4; only minor security updates.
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Thanks a lot for the help. What if I perform manufacture reset or flash a new fire stcok I'm afraid that it will ask me to update to able to use kindle fire features.
i_a7mdona said:
Thanks a lot for the help. What if I perform manufacture reset or flash a new fire stcok I'm afraid that it will ask me to update to able to use kindle fire features.
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Factory reset only removes personal data; operating system (FireOS) remains untouched. 3rd gen HDX devices are EOL - there won't be any further updates beyond the occational security patch.
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Factory reset only removes personal data; operating system (FireOS) remains untouched. 3rd gen HDX devices are EOL - there won't be any further updates beyond the occational security patch.
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Guess what! After I signed in into amazon and I really hopless it started to download the update as usual but this time it installed it and succeeded. I guess I should've done that before. Anyway thanks a lot for everything and I'm really sorry for taking much of your precious time.
i_a7mdona said:
Guess what! After I signed in into amazon and I really hopless it started to download the update as usual but this time it installed it and succeeded. I guess I should've done that before. Anyway thanks a lot for everything and I'm really sorry for taking much of your precious time.
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Yikes - sorry I didn't think of that and led you down a merry path of misinformation based on experiences from others. Yes, signing into Amazon is an OTA enabler albeit not always a prerequisite. I have seen updates take place without registering with Amazon (often to the dismay of the device owner!) and no OTA activity until signed in. Appears your device fell into the latter category. Not sure what all of the behind-the-scenes triggers are.
Most important, you got the FireOS updates you were seeking. Glad it all worked out. Enjoy your refreshed device!